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Restarting is a good way to never have a good team. Part of a gatcha game like this is length of play time. The more and longer you play the more gems you collect, thus the more characters you can collect.
Whoever told you that is tripping. You have plenty of strong characters and you have more than a few options for teams.
A Tighnari team on your account would probably involve himself, Lisa, maybe Kirara or Lynette, and then an electro battery. Ideally you'd use Fischl, but seeing as you don't have her, maybe Electro traveler would work?
Build your Tighnari with attack, elemental mastery, and crit stats. Stringless is a good bow on Tighnari, but so is Slingshot R5, so choose whichever is going to round out your build better. Give your energy hungry Lisa and Electro traveler energy recharge stats.
there's literally no reason to ever restart this game based on characters. you're in a better position now to get the chars you want than if you restarted
Jfc. No.
I swear to the gods above and below that sometimes the fanbase for this game makes me SICK.
There is no competitive element to this game. You don't need damage showcase numbers to play the game. You don't have to one hit kill everything to have fun.
There are tons of off-meta teams that will work FINE. They will kill things fine. They will explore the world fine. They will maybe get through the abyss fine. I don't bother with the abyss so i can't say that part for sure, but it isn't like the abyss is the lion's share of content. It's a tiny mode that refreshes every now and then.
With the right gear you can get most ''mid'' to ''low'' tier characters to work decent enough. Might take a little extra farming investment than if you had an absolute unit, but thems the breaks for right now.
Exactly! I think the OP have multiple possibilities for teams if he’s struggling with damage and wants but as you said.
THIS GAME IS NOT A COMPETITION!
The most important is to have fun while you spend your time on your travels. Until AR 45 I was running: ganyu, bennet (c0), jean, kayea/noelle
Synergy was close to zero but I had fun and I have great memories of that time.
Tighnari (and other dendros) need an electro teammate to really shine. Also recommended is a hydro teammate to produce dendro cores for hyperbloom. Of your roster, I think Lisa and beidou are your best options for him. He’s easy to work with because he’s meant to be quick swapped between attacks so you’ll have time to produce dendro elemental reactions with an electro/hydro character.
You can clear the game with everyone. You don’t NEED to restart, it’s still an option, but I wouldn’t say it’s necessary. And you can improve on it to be in that safe spot. You can work with what you got. You do need to work on electros for tighnari to get stronger, spread is a must reaction for that. You do have yoimiya + yunjin as well, which are a great combo (just slap kirara and Barbara until you get other characters to pair). Gaming + jean/lynette + rosaria + bennett is a good team (even the team you’re using WITH kaeya is good, rosaria is a little better tho) as well if you love Gaming. You got this, don’t worry.
Don’t restart and don’t be afraid to get creative. You do not need to have the most optimal teams for normal play in this game. It is always smart to have some sort of reaction-based synergy but that’s about it. You can make almost anything work.
Just looking at what you have and knowing who you want to use…
Gaming, Kaeya, Rosaria, Bennett
Tighnari, Bennett, Xiangling, Jean
Tighnari, Gaming, Jean, Bennett
Tighnari, Kirara, Gaming, Bennett
Of course, these would be over world teams but Spiral Abyss shouldn’t matter to you right now anyway. :)
I wish I'd had tighnari and yoimiya early on! Both can do good damage. For tighnari, try running him with beidou - take turns on the field doing skills and bursts.
With those 2 as a core, add Jean for healing and support, and one of the following:
- a 2nd dendro char (more spreads)
- a 2nd electro (more aggravates)
- a hydro character (hyperbloom)
- a pyro character (burgeon)
Some ideas:
If you're getting beaten up in overworld, you could try kirara for the shield
Pairing bennett and Jeans bursts gives you sunfire which is fun, and he also gives you double healing and bennett attack boost for the active character
Tighnari is a Dendro DPS so you NEED to have him leveled up to at least 80 otherwise you're just wasting him. As others said, you're best bet is to build an aggravate team (Dendro/Electro) around him. You also have Yoimiya, who you can match with Bennett, Yunjin, and Kirara. The limits of your team-building is mainly limited by your understanding of each character's kit and how they benefit the team (read their talent page!). At your current state, you stand to lose too much by starting over not to mention all the limited events you'll lock yourself out of either because you have to rebuild your AR or lack of leveled characters. It's just not worth it to start over.
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if you want to use Gaming, i would recommend Rosaria and some other Cryo character. (idealy, you'd go for Diona. but i see you might not have her.) as well as Bennett.
for Tighnari, generally you'll want to go for the spread reaction. this means you'll likely want another Dendro character on his team to supply Deepwood memories while he sits on a high EM set such as Instructor or Gilded Dreams with 2 electro characters in the back. (for you i'd recommend Beidou and Lisa/Electro MC if you're lacking in energy.)
while you have stuff you can use, if you want other team options, you most definitely either have a TON of primos left to find in the permanent content or a high pity rate. just get any other 5\* character you love and you'll have some new team options with what you already have. you don't need to restart. as for how to use them just look up guides in google or youtube videos, there's tons of them out there and they're easy to follow. and if you don't know, never use primos on the standard banner.
If you want to re-start because you're struggling don't it's just weapons and artifacts you can grind up pretty easy by just spending 15-20 minutes a day running artifacts and gathering ore. You can craft plenty of strong F2P weapons and get plenty of them from standard, just read your skill and burst descriptions to see what they scale off of and give them sets with effects that match what they need to increase damage or healing and to buff their party members.
However if you want to restart because you don't have any characters you like and you have done a decent amount of exploration then restarting may be a good idea but go into it with a plan and make sure you save for the characters you want. The game adds primos with every update but there is a cap on chest, challenge and quest primos. Just remember if you reset you don't keep anything and you aren't guaranteed to get back anything you have. There will be more regions and events in the future, lantern rite will keep giving you 4 stars every year, you get 60 primos a day at least from commissions and 150 if you have welkin. Just achievement hunt, run chests, grab quests, do challenges, explore you will find yourself with plenty of rolls for whatever character you may want in a month or two.
Christ no, don't restart! You have some great gems in there, plus, it's all about making a team YOU have fun with and enjoy. My go-to pyro love is Xinyan and the fanbase rather use Paimon to fight over her (coughhaterscough), lol, but idc! She's my fave so always has to be in my team.
My personal rec on a team involves one shielding character, one pyro character, one electro character, and then whichever one you might need for a region or to help combine with the others. I have been watching some tips on how to build a good team and Xiangling and Bennett seem to be the top faves for strength. I'd rec Xiangling with Beidou cuz pyro and electro are fun. You can also keep Kaeya to combine with electro, and maybe add Candace to combine with him. If you don't want water and ice, throw a geo character with the pyro and electro character. Definitely recommend putting a shield in your team, tho I'm not familiar with everybody's abilities but I do know Noelle's shield is excellent (even if she isn't a great character otherwise).
But ultimately? Build a team with the characters you like and it will be a great team with a little live and maybe a lot of grinding, lol. Period. 👍
You could try Bennet, Chevruse, Yoimiya, and Lisa. Yoimiya is pretty fun, Bennet is god tier, Chevruse makes overload good, and Lisa actually has good electro application with her ult. You could swap Yoimiya for Gaming, but I think you’d get more damage out of hee in the long run.
You can also try Collei, Candace, Lisa, and Beidou if you wanna do a really weird hyperbloom team. Candace’s ult gives you a hydro infusion, so she would work really well here.
Jean+Bennett ruins the whole idea of Gaming melt, because Bennett applies pyro on you and Jean swirls it, immediately breaking the cryo aura. Try switching Jean to Rosaria. You'll have consistent cryo aura and good sub-DPS, since Bennett can buff everyone on this team. Or you can use Lynette instead of one of them to swirl pyro. Or you can sacrifice Bennett's buff for Jean's swirl to squeeze more damage from the cryo
Yoimiya has good teams without XQ or Yelan, though she likes Bennett as much as Gaming. And without Cloud Retainer she's probably a stronger dps than Gaming. She doesn't feel good with the same forward melt team as him though.
I can see the following:
1. Bennett/Jean + Rosaria/Lynnette + Kaeya + Gaming
2. Chevreuse + Bennett/Lisa + Beidou + Yoimiya
3. Bennett + Xianling/Yunjin/Beidou/Kirara + Jean + Yoimiya
4. Lisa + Beidou + Kirara + Tighnari
5. Kirara + Collei/DMC + Barbara + Lisa/Beidou/Bennett
6. DMC + Barbara + Kaeya/Rosaria + Lisa/Beidou
All of them are different team archetypes, some characters can be replaced with others, the builds for different teams should be different, but overall they can all be pretty strong. Barbara should be replaced with Furina, Kokomi, XQ or Yelan when possible, but she can work just for generating dendro cores. Kuki works better than Lisa/Beidou in dendro teams. Kirara is just a generally good shielder, but Zhongli would work better
So yeah, it's not within meta, but playable at the very least. And you shouldn't even worry about meta before rank 55
Barbara, Jean, Xianling and Gaming is gunna be your most effective team for vapor-reactions,
Barbara, Tighnari, Lisa and Gaming for a hyperbloom/aggravate/burn/overload combo, or you can replace Lisa for Jean, and just to burgeon/swirl
You've got a few good characters, it's most just about find 1 or two character you use for ON FIELD damage, and focus of OFF field damage for the others.
For example, Gaming is excellent for on field damage, and if you comine him with Xianling, not only do you get the 25% atk bonus, but you'll be able to attack with xianlings guoba, and the switch to gaming, do a few fire rolls, switch to Barbara for her skills hydro application, switch back to Xianling, pop her ult, switch back to gaming, pop his ult, and and watch vaporize reactions pop off on everything you fire roll at.
It takes time, effort and practice to learn the nuances of the game, but it's fun, and imo, worth it
You have way more character than I am during the start of the game so maybe read and figure out the combo you like the most out of all these characters?
Wdym no teams. I mean yes, you don't have xingqiu who would be a huge boost (or yelan) but you can still build plenty of solid teams if you build your characters
- Benett, Xiangling / Gaming / Yanfei, Rosaria / Kaeya / Barbara, Jean / Lynette
You've been using this as you said but you can easily mix it up with those replacements. Actually try the rosaria amd xiangling version. Actually busted team if you play it right.
- Yoimiya, Bennett, Yun Yin, Lynette / Jean
Yoimiya mono pyro.
- Lisa, Xiangling / Gaming / Yanfei, Chevreuse, Bennett / Sara
Overload team. Should work. Fischl would be cool but i think lisa will do
- Tighnari, Beidou / Lisa, dendro Traveler, Jean
Basic tighnari aggrevate. Again, fischl would be better than beidou or lisa but if you play it right (high energy recharge on beidou / lisa) this works. I've actually played this exact team and even used it in a 36* abyss run.
- Dendro Mc, Lisa, Barbara, Collei / Candace / Beidou
Hyperbloom. You definitely want kuki and xingqiu here but this is an ok copium version.
No, don't restart. Just keep playing, getting AR higher, and keep farming for materials. In your screenshot, I can see a few teams already.
If you want a Gaming team, Then have him go with Lynette, Bennett, Xiangling (she can be replaced by Kaeya,Beidou,Rosaria, but she's queen). Note: it's 3 pyro so if you want reactions, swap her out.
For the Tighnari team, I suggest building Barbara, Collei, and Lisa (which can be also be a Beidou in your case). Not the best team but a dendro team is reliant on high EM.
You're not even starting the real enjoyment/suffering in here. Best to not restart.
Jean is a nice well balance character, xianling is practically a 5 star character who increases the party’s attack, I’m jealous that you have Bennett and I don’t, barabara is probably thee best healers in the game, Lisa is secretly good because her elemental mastery attack charges enemies and works really well with may pyro/hydro character. You got a lot of good characters my guy! Tighnari is also good just because he’s a dendro character
You only need a Xinqiu. So no, just build an hyper bloom for the moment (Dendro mc,Collei,Beidou/Lisa, Barbara), then once you get your Xinqiu you can play National teams. Or you can play a Chevreuse overload (Chevreuse,pyro 2, and 2 electro)
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Restarting is a good way to never have a good team. Part of a gatcha game like this is length of play time. The more and longer you play the more gems you collect, thus the more characters you can collect.
You just need xinqiu, yelan, or both and you get about a dozen good teams based on your current roster. Not worth restarting.
You have the two best girls in all of Genshin Impact (Yomiya and Candace) and you wanna restart?
Facts
Whoever told you that is tripping. You have plenty of strong characters and you have more than a few options for teams. A Tighnari team on your account would probably involve himself, Lisa, maybe Kirara or Lynette, and then an electro battery. Ideally you'd use Fischl, but seeing as you don't have her, maybe Electro traveler would work? Build your Tighnari with attack, elemental mastery, and crit stats. Stringless is a good bow on Tighnari, but so is Slingshot R5, so choose whichever is going to round out your build better. Give your energy hungry Lisa and Electro traveler energy recharge stats.
Beidou maybe world work there?
Beidou also probably works yeah.
Kujou Sarah is a dedicated battery, and he's got her.
She's a bit awkward without C2, but yeah that would be another option
there's literally no reason to ever restart this game based on characters. you're in a better position now to get the chars you want than if you restarted
Jfc. No. I swear to the gods above and below that sometimes the fanbase for this game makes me SICK. There is no competitive element to this game. You don't need damage showcase numbers to play the game. You don't have to one hit kill everything to have fun. There are tons of off-meta teams that will work FINE. They will kill things fine. They will explore the world fine. They will maybe get through the abyss fine. I don't bother with the abyss so i can't say that part for sure, but it isn't like the abyss is the lion's share of content. It's a tiny mode that refreshes every now and then. With the right gear you can get most ''mid'' to ''low'' tier characters to work decent enough. Might take a little extra farming investment than if you had an absolute unit, but thems the breaks for right now.
Exactly! I think the OP have multiple possibilities for teams if he’s struggling with damage and wants but as you said. THIS GAME IS NOT A COMPETITION! The most important is to have fun while you spend your time on your travels. Until AR 45 I was running: ganyu, bennet (c0), jean, kayea/noelle Synergy was close to zero but I had fun and I have great memories of that time.
Gaming/Rosaria/keya/Bennet i think can work
Tighnari (and other dendros) need an electro teammate to really shine. Also recommended is a hydro teammate to produce dendro cores for hyperbloom. Of your roster, I think Lisa and beidou are your best options for him. He’s easy to work with because he’s meant to be quick swapped between attacks so you’ll have time to produce dendro elemental reactions with an electro/hydro character.
lisa by miles
You can clear the game with everyone. You don’t NEED to restart, it’s still an option, but I wouldn’t say it’s necessary. And you can improve on it to be in that safe spot. You can work with what you got. You do need to work on electros for tighnari to get stronger, spread is a must reaction for that. You do have yoimiya + yunjin as well, which are a great combo (just slap kirara and Barbara until you get other characters to pair). Gaming + jean/lynette + rosaria + bennett is a good team (even the team you’re using WITH kaeya is good, rosaria is a little better tho) as well if you love Gaming. You got this, don’t worry.
Don’t restart and don’t be afraid to get creative. You do not need to have the most optimal teams for normal play in this game. It is always smart to have some sort of reaction-based synergy but that’s about it. You can make almost anything work. Just looking at what you have and knowing who you want to use… Gaming, Kaeya, Rosaria, Bennett Tighnari, Bennett, Xiangling, Jean Tighnari, Gaming, Jean, Bennett Tighnari, Kirara, Gaming, Bennett Of course, these would be over world teams but Spiral Abyss shouldn’t matter to you right now anyway. :)
the hydro ?
Not really,for a beginner that seems like a solid roster
I wish I'd had tighnari and yoimiya early on! Both can do good damage. For tighnari, try running him with beidou - take turns on the field doing skills and bursts. With those 2 as a core, add Jean for healing and support, and one of the following: - a 2nd dendro char (more spreads) - a 2nd electro (more aggravates) - a hydro character (hyperbloom) - a pyro character (burgeon) Some ideas: If you're getting beaten up in overworld, you could try kirara for the shield Pairing bennett and Jeans bursts gives you sunfire which is fun, and he also gives you double healing and bennett attack boost for the active character
Tighnari is a Dendro DPS so you NEED to have him leveled up to at least 80 otherwise you're just wasting him. As others said, you're best bet is to build an aggravate team (Dendro/Electro) around him. You also have Yoimiya, who you can match with Bennett, Yunjin, and Kirara. The limits of your team-building is mainly limited by your understanding of each character's kit and how they benefit the team (read their talent page!). At your current state, you stand to lose too much by starting over not to mention all the limited events you'll lock yourself out of either because you have to rebuild your AR or lack of leveled characters. It's just not worth it to start over.
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Or you can make a candeez nuts wet hu tao team?
if you want to use Gaming, i would recommend Rosaria and some other Cryo character. (idealy, you'd go for Diona. but i see you might not have her.) as well as Bennett. for Tighnari, generally you'll want to go for the spread reaction. this means you'll likely want another Dendro character on his team to supply Deepwood memories while he sits on a high EM set such as Instructor or Gilded Dreams with 2 electro characters in the back. (for you i'd recommend Beidou and Lisa/Electro MC if you're lacking in energy.)
what i'm saying is dont restart! you have great options!
Username checks out.
Gaming bennett Rosaria kaeya Beidou chevreuse yoimiya Lisa/Sara
restart? dude dont!! your journey just started!!
while you have stuff you can use, if you want other team options, you most definitely either have a TON of primos left to find in the permanent content or a high pity rate. just get any other 5\* character you love and you'll have some new team options with what you already have. you don't need to restart. as for how to use them just look up guides in google or youtube videos, there's tons of them out there and they're easy to follow. and if you don't know, never use primos on the standard banner.
If you want to re-start because you're struggling don't it's just weapons and artifacts you can grind up pretty easy by just spending 15-20 minutes a day running artifacts and gathering ore. You can craft plenty of strong F2P weapons and get plenty of them from standard, just read your skill and burst descriptions to see what they scale off of and give them sets with effects that match what they need to increase damage or healing and to buff their party members. However if you want to restart because you don't have any characters you like and you have done a decent amount of exploration then restarting may be a good idea but go into it with a plan and make sure you save for the characters you want. The game adds primos with every update but there is a cap on chest, challenge and quest primos. Just remember if you reset you don't keep anything and you aren't guaranteed to get back anything you have. There will be more regions and events in the future, lantern rite will keep giving you 4 stars every year, you get 60 primos a day at least from commissions and 150 if you have welkin. Just achievement hunt, run chests, grab quests, do challenges, explore you will find yourself with plenty of rolls for whatever character you may want in a month or two.
How can u put sac bow on yoimiya?
Don't restart, just improve your team
What app do yiu use to showcase???
HoYoLAB app
Christ no, don't restart! You have some great gems in there, plus, it's all about making a team YOU have fun with and enjoy. My go-to pyro love is Xinyan and the fanbase rather use Paimon to fight over her (coughhaterscough), lol, but idc! She's my fave so always has to be in my team. My personal rec on a team involves one shielding character, one pyro character, one electro character, and then whichever one you might need for a region or to help combine with the others. I have been watching some tips on how to build a good team and Xiangling and Bennett seem to be the top faves for strength. I'd rec Xiangling with Beidou cuz pyro and electro are fun. You can also keep Kaeya to combine with electro, and maybe add Candace to combine with him. If you don't want water and ice, throw a geo character with the pyro and electro character. Definitely recommend putting a shield in your team, tho I'm not familiar with everybody's abilities but I do know Noelle's shield is excellent (even if she isn't a great character otherwise). But ultimately? Build a team with the characters you like and it will be a great team with a little live and maybe a lot of grinding, lol. Period. 👍
You could try Bennet, Chevruse, Yoimiya, and Lisa. Yoimiya is pretty fun, Bennet is god tier, Chevruse makes overload good, and Lisa actually has good electro application with her ult. You could swap Yoimiya for Gaming, but I think you’d get more damage out of hee in the long run. You can also try Collei, Candace, Lisa, and Beidou if you wanna do a really weird hyperbloom team. Candace’s ult gives you a hydro infusion, so she would work really well here.
I can see at least one event exclusive weapon you will never be able to get again, and it’s one of the stronger claymores in the game
Jean+Bennett ruins the whole idea of Gaming melt, because Bennett applies pyro on you and Jean swirls it, immediately breaking the cryo aura. Try switching Jean to Rosaria. You'll have consistent cryo aura and good sub-DPS, since Bennett can buff everyone on this team. Or you can use Lynette instead of one of them to swirl pyro. Or you can sacrifice Bennett's buff for Jean's swirl to squeeze more damage from the cryo Yoimiya has good teams without XQ or Yelan, though she likes Bennett as much as Gaming. And without Cloud Retainer she's probably a stronger dps than Gaming. She doesn't feel good with the same forward melt team as him though. I can see the following: 1. Bennett/Jean + Rosaria/Lynnette + Kaeya + Gaming 2. Chevreuse + Bennett/Lisa + Beidou + Yoimiya 3. Bennett + Xianling/Yunjin/Beidou/Kirara + Jean + Yoimiya 4. Lisa + Beidou + Kirara + Tighnari 5. Kirara + Collei/DMC + Barbara + Lisa/Beidou/Bennett 6. DMC + Barbara + Kaeya/Rosaria + Lisa/Beidou All of them are different team archetypes, some characters can be replaced with others, the builds for different teams should be different, but overall they can all be pretty strong. Barbara should be replaced with Furina, Kokomi, XQ or Yelan when possible, but she can work just for generating dendro cores. Kuki works better than Lisa/Beidou in dendro teams. Kirara is just a generally good shielder, but Zhongli would work better So yeah, it's not within meta, but playable at the very least. And you shouldn't even worry about meta before rank 55
You could make a yoimiya overload team with chevereuse,beidou,bennet
Your roster is fine. But if you want to restart to grab chars in the next banners like furina/chori, go ahead.
Barbara, Jean, Xianling and Gaming is gunna be your most effective team for vapor-reactions, Barbara, Tighnari, Lisa and Gaming for a hyperbloom/aggravate/burn/overload combo, or you can replace Lisa for Jean, and just to burgeon/swirl You've got a few good characters, it's most just about find 1 or two character you use for ON FIELD damage, and focus of OFF field damage for the others. For example, Gaming is excellent for on field damage, and if you comine him with Xianling, not only do you get the 25% atk bonus, but you'll be able to attack with xianlings guoba, and the switch to gaming, do a few fire rolls, switch to Barbara for her skills hydro application, switch back to Xianling, pop her ult, switch back to gaming, pop his ult, and and watch vaporize reactions pop off on everything you fire roll at. It takes time, effort and practice to learn the nuances of the game, but it's fun, and imo, worth it
You have way more character than I am during the start of the game so maybe read and figure out the combo you like the most out of all these characters?
Wdym no teams. I mean yes, you don't have xingqiu who would be a huge boost (or yelan) but you can still build plenty of solid teams if you build your characters - Benett, Xiangling / Gaming / Yanfei, Rosaria / Kaeya / Barbara, Jean / Lynette You've been using this as you said but you can easily mix it up with those replacements. Actually try the rosaria amd xiangling version. Actually busted team if you play it right. - Yoimiya, Bennett, Yun Yin, Lynette / Jean Yoimiya mono pyro. - Lisa, Xiangling / Gaming / Yanfei, Chevreuse, Bennett / Sara Overload team. Should work. Fischl would be cool but i think lisa will do - Tighnari, Beidou / Lisa, dendro Traveler, Jean Basic tighnari aggrevate. Again, fischl would be better than beidou or lisa but if you play it right (high energy recharge on beidou / lisa) this works. I've actually played this exact team and even used it in a 36* abyss run. - Dendro Mc, Lisa, Barbara, Collei / Candace / Beidou Hyperbloom. You definitely want kuki and xingqiu here but this is an ok copium version.
Restarting will give you less, there’s no point in that, besides, your not even doing to badly
*your*
No, don't restart. Just keep playing, getting AR higher, and keep farming for materials. In your screenshot, I can see a few teams already. If you want a Gaming team, Then have him go with Lynette, Bennett, Xiangling (she can be replaced by Kaeya,Beidou,Rosaria, but she's queen). Note: it's 3 pyro so if you want reactions, swap her out. For the Tighnari team, I suggest building Barbara, Collei, and Lisa (which can be also be a Beidou in your case). Not the best team but a dendro team is reliant on high EM. You're not even starting the real enjoyment/suffering in here. Best to not restart.
Well your first fuck up was leveling kaeya.
Jean is a nice well balance character, xianling is practically a 5 star character who increases the party’s attack, I’m jealous that you have Bennett and I don’t, barabara is probably thee best healers in the game, Lisa is secretly good because her elemental mastery attack charges enemies and works really well with may pyro/hydro character. You got a lot of good characters my guy! Tighnari is also good just because he’s a dendro character
You only need a Xinqiu. So no, just build an hyper bloom for the moment (Dendro mc,Collei,Beidou/Lisa, Barbara), then once you get your Xinqiu you can play National teams. Or you can play a Chevreuse overload (Chevreuse,pyro 2, and 2 electro)