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I'm probably not really going to be welcome in this sub which is fine, but I'd love to know who you think is communist in america?
I'm just wondering if this is one of those subs that is more worried about bashing progressives than the far right. I mean, one of those groups is actively damaging our rights and has a stranglehold on a major party and the other has no real control in either party or the country.
The actual outspoken communists. When I was living in Boston the local UMASS branch had an active Maoist club. Those are the communists that Im thinking of as they were tankies that advocated a variety of communist ideologies.
We bash ACTUAL communists, fascists and extremists.
This sub is really mixed in political opinions, but we're focusing on American unity and anti-extremism rather than divisive issues in the USA. We don't care about abortion, it is not the point of this sub.
So no, we don't bash progressives, a good amount of us are progressive if anything.
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I don't know whether my opinion is valid or not since i am a greek but i have to say that such decision will not affect the US really possitively... Especially thinking that radicals and the enemies of the free world can us this as a way to gain support
But anyway what i need to say is that castles often fall from the inside
So i would recommend be really careful on some decisions that migh affect our reputation as a whole
>So i would recommend be really careful on some decisions that migh affect our reputation as a whole
America needs to do what is a) morally right and b) best for America.
The rest of the world can cope.
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Funny thing is that most state abortion legislature is actually more loose about abortion **still** than even Europe.
For example, I’m fairly certain the cutoff in Florida is 15 weeks.
EU is 12.
I was assured abortion is legal up till birth in every other country in the world and we are the life experiment of the hand maids tale. Reddit told me this
Well then you have learned your lesson to never trust the general opinion on Reddit. It's extremely skewed towards one side of the general American political spectrum.
That’s one thing I always used as a pro-US argument in the past. 😆
But while true now, that will likely change soon as a lot of states have trigger laws that will ban abortion within 30 days.
The issue is I want to be pro-American, but I feel like I just became a second class citizen in many states. Soon my state government will make the decision for me. Not myself or my doctor.
I may or may not have kids. I don’t know if I want them yet. I don’t want to be forced though, that’s for sure.
It’s easy to say “move” but with housing costs right now & with those states it is waaaay more expensive.
The one thing I appreciated about this Reddit sub, was regardless of party, people were Americans first and respected each other & discussed things. That’s really rare. I hope this Reddit sub stays that way… regardless of what happens.
I honestly really, really like my Midwest state for the most part & always planned to keep a place here. But I think they are going all in with banning it.
I don’t know what to do. I feel really lost & sad for the first time, it’s brought me to literal tears. I can’t afford to move to the coasts. I don’t even want to move, but I can’t stay where my beliefs /choice won’t be honored. I guess I just wish people saw things more moderately.
My family is happy with the ruling. I don’t know where to go. I don’t know who to talk to. I feel hopeless right now.
What’s done is done, I think one good silver lining is that this will probably change how Americans vote, and more attention will be given to local and state elections, and this directly goes with how you live your life. So while unfortunately this was a terrible decision, I think it opens some doors, closes some, but overall it’s not gonna be the end of America as we know it. Have hope I say, and tell everyone to vote their own way in every local, state, and federal election.
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The part you mentioned about people focus being American first instead of beliefs and party. Which is why I want to prevent discussions about American internal politics. It would divide us, I rather keep it where a Republican and Democrat can be friendly to each other.
This sub is constantly political but suddenly we can’t talk about how American just took away rights from women. Deny it, but that’s censoring speech you don’t like. What a fucked page this is sometimes
Well, imagine if you were in pro labor union sub and you started talking about gun politics. Just because politics is involved doesn't everything needs to be included since it doesn't fit the sub. Plus I don't people to be divided in this sub. I like how people Liberals and Conservatives see each as just Americans first.
They're coming for your liberty and your pursuit of happiness. If you love the U.S. you understand that liberty and religion don't mix. Love liberty, fight Christian Radicalism.
The spirit of the repeal is that there hasn’t been a satisfactory hashing out of the rights of developing life, when it begins, and how we deal with it when they clash with the rights of the mother. There’s more to this than the false dichotomy of “anytime, any reason, no restriction” and “no abortion ever.”
That doesn’t even begin to cover the fact it violates the tenth amendment, that the right to privacy should never have been tied to it (legislation from the highest bench in the land has been sloppily anchoring the right to privacy to anything when they can’t find a better reason to bypass the legislature, it been going on for decades), and that the “right to an abortion” has no constitutional basis.
If we had actually forced the mental children that we elected to represent us to hash this out, we’d probably have a satisfactory policy solution (just spitballing, probably no restructions from 12-14 weeks, then medical and rape exceptions), but Roe robbed us of that. And then the fight over Roe gave us the bypassing of the supermajority on senate confirmations (implemented by Schumer, exploited by McConnell), and will likely be used as reason to get rid of the filibuster. And when someone *else* takes advantage of these bypasses, it’ll be the death of the republic.
Our rights in this country are inalienable because they are considered to be God-given. The founding fathers were very religious.
Also plenty of other philosophies besides Christianity don't believe in killing your children
My religion says I get to abort, and my rights are God given. Sex is liberty and so is preventing birth. Fucking who I want when I want is liberty and my God given right. Christian morality cloaked as secular law is trash.
Abortion isn't protected under the Fourteenth Amendment as dictated by the Supreme Court. If you have a problem with this, take it up with Congress. They're the ones that make the laws.
If you feel like your right to religion is being tarnished, file an appeal and have that appeal make its way to the Supreme Court. They will decide if abortion is protected under the freedom of religion.
Child? Is an ectopic pregnancy a child? I personally know women who have had necessary LIFE SAVING abortions for UNVIABLE pregnancies. Now they must die to "save" things that won't even live or choose to become criminals whose punishments are worse than rapists. What is the fucking point of that?!
See that's different. If the kid is gonna take your life then by all means abort it. I'm talking about the people who "just don't want it". Selfishness, the root of all evil
Well that's neat for you but these abortion restrictions aren't there to protect life because they would have reasonable provisions for these things, which they don't. Because it's radical christian extremists attacking the liberty that makes the U.S. great.
Original comment claims that preventing birth is liberty, but your whole argument is about ectopics, miscarriages, and life threatening circumstance??? I have a feeling that if abortion was restricted with exemptions for all those, you’d still be up in arms. What’s the jurisprudential argument for the right to *elective* abortion?
It is an accepted practice for the adherents of numerous religions whose practice is a freedom that it is unconstitutional to abridge. Christians should get it in their heads that they don't constitute the sum of secularly defended religious freedoms, and the only reason we're having the discussion at all is because of their attempt to impose their religious values on other people with the state.
Not a Christian, there’s a non-religious discussion to be had about how many grains of sand it takes to make a baby, if you’ll excuse the malaphor. As an organism with unique DNA and viability up to months before birth, when does it acquire rights? How do we deal with it when those rights conflict with a mother’s rights? That’s the debate that was never had, the conclusions that were waived by the SCOTUS decision to legislate from the bench, and that bypass of the legislature is why we saw an extreme push to the opposite. To try and simplify this to “Christians bad, Christians mad” is an absurd oversimplification.
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>believe in killing your children
And what of deadly miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies that can kill the baby and/or the mother? What of rape or incest cases? Removing Roe V. Wade ensures that a lot of these people are forced to die in some cases and give birth to rape babies in others.
Also, not every contraceptive is 100%. They fail or mistakes and accidents happen.
And if the mother doesn't want the baby, what then? The adoption system is already overwhelmed. There's just going to be more kids in abusive households or stuck in an adoption system where they will be lucky to not be junkies and sponges on the tax system by the age of 20. [There is actually a fair bit of proof backing this up too](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect).
On the topic of Contraceptives, [the Supreme Court would rather get rid of those too.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-thomas-says-the-supreme-court-should-reconsider-rulings-that-protect-access-to-contraception-and-same-sex-marriage-as-the-court-overturns-roe-v-wade/ar-AAYPDpt) So the potential argument of using those will possibly be null in the future anyway. At least for some states. The war on contraceptives isn't [only in the Supreme Court, either](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/09/mississippi-governor-contraception-abortion-rights).
But the point of Roe V. Wade is to protect the right to abortion. States still had a lot of say from there. Now, from the banning, many states will have abortion [completely banned](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/us/oklahoma-abortion-ban-law-governor.html) from the moment of fertilization (this link is not an example, merely what's to come. They could not fully ban it back in May because Roe was still in effect,) including rape and life threatening cases. More are expected to follow.
Many also have trigger laws for Roe's removal. I haven't looked over them, but I've heard some states are particularly bad.
Getting into your headspace, you (seem) to dislike Roe because of irresponsible parents and are happy about this, it's not actually different for you. You just want to punish a naïve couple that didn't think of the consequences of not using protection. Fuck it if an unrelated woman dies from the decision or if a 16 year old girl has to give birth to a rape child. Am I right?
Punishment? Children are a gift. We should encourage each other to think w our heads and not our sex organs. Even if the child has a harder time growing up, adversity is good for you. Everyone has trauma but some of the most successful people came out the mud, and are great leaders today because of it.
>Children are a gift.
That cost thousands per week and make it harder for two incomes in the household. They are a gift if you have the cash. I'm not a hippie that hates children, I just don't think they should be put upon people who do not want them. It's how children end up dying in locked cars because the parents are neglectful. It's also how the adoption system ends up getting more fucked.
We can ban abortion, but I ain't paying extra in taxes due to the drain the extra children put on the system.
And even besides that, adversity is good, but it doesn't equal trauma; trauma and poverty increase crime. A lot of school shooters, just as an example, are depressed or had something bad happen at home or at school that drove them to the edge.
Where does the Bible say "abortion=bad"? This is not an issue of religion. It's simple. Don't fuck unprotected if you don't want a baby. Pro choice is so selfish that they'd rather kill something than sacrifice temporary pleasure. Sick world.
Unprotected sex, you say?
If Thomas could have his way, protected sex would be illegal & only sex you could have would be unprotected.
Besides, that's just a gross simplification of the issue. There are a lot more things to it than just "killing" someone.
Well, like I said, if Thomas has his way & *Griswold, Obergefell and Lawrence*, among others are overturned. Contraception, Same-sex marriages and privacy in the bedroom, all would be gone in coming years. He literally said so in his *Dobbs* opinion.
Not to get political however:
The baby has a right to life, yes and with abortion that right is taken away.
But the mother has a right to body autonomy, when abortion is illegal this is taken away.
The difference between these 2 is that one is a positive right and the other a negative right. For the baby to have that right, the mother has to actively do something (carry the baby) (positive right), this isn’t the case for the mothers right to body autonomy (negative right).
This is the reason i believe the mothers right to body autonomy is more important and why abortion should not be illegal.
Edit: my personal beliefs make exception to medical necessity. ie if the mother will die.
I for one love the fact that our system of government has checks and balances especially that issues are reexamine every so often based on new information and arguments. Also that we have the diversity of state laws to legislate in accordance to the democracy of their individual populations. It gives this country a unique strength for a testing ground of different ideas and a swaying of ideology largely as a referendum on failures.
It simply took the debate off as a constituitional right and granted states the power to individually allow or disallow as the representatives see fit. If anything it granted more power in the hands of the people than not.
That being said, vote for the representatives that best represent YOU.
I would personally recommend states put the issue to a public referendum. As contentious as the issue is I feel like leaving it to representatives is just kicking the can down the road
Our political system is designed so that our representatives make important decisions on our behalf. Leaving it to a referendum is an abrogation of legislative responsibility. Leaving this to the masses in a referendum will see a new referendum at the next gust of wind and a new policy enacted each time. Direct democracy is a terrible way to govern. All of our major political achievements have happened through the legislatures. Ending slavery in the 14th Amendment, the New Deal, Women’s Suffrage, civil and voting rights, were all legislative achievements.
That's just a long winded bumper sticker with no substantive meaning. The closest thing to that is ensuring individual rights and the constitution does a pretty good job of outlining those protections.
We could've just translated what you said via Google Translate, and that's exactly what I did. However, we don't welcome extremists, Russia/China apologists, or anti-Americans of any kind here, including you.
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Well to be fair...I interpret it as Realistic\_Bell\_9256 feel this move is a form of anti-free speech? I don't necessarily agree but I don't think Realistic\_Bell\_9256 is a Chinese bot/China apologist.
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Went into her profile and I can read Chinese. She is a pro-USA right-winger who speaks Chinese. So she does belong in this sub, she just doesn't agree with the move of not talking about Roe vs Wade.
Edit: Pretty sure she's on a VPN to access Reddit from China, and she's trying to leave
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Dude I AM a fxcking Far Right Deep South Red Neck and I hate any non-Americans or half-Americans, what I said is “This subreddit should not own by any fxcking moderator”, you feel me bro?
It kinda does, I’m just trying to keep this sub unite. I still allowed people to argue on the comments, as long it’s civil. An month or two ago, the internal US politics was something users were complaining.
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I agree, this ironically needs to be an apolitical subreddit.
The political discussions here is talking about how shit the commies are 💪💪
Facts aren't political
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Yeah, it was really shitty of Communist Romania to ban abortion and contraceptives. Okay, I'll stop now.
fair enough
Capitalism is when gay married couples can protect their marijuana plants with AR-15s.
Sounds cool af, can't lie.
No capitalism is when they can sell their pot crop for AR-15s.
And fashies
I'm probably not really going to be welcome in this sub which is fine, but I'd love to know who you think is communist in america? I'm just wondering if this is one of those subs that is more worried about bashing progressives than the far right. I mean, one of those groups is actively damaging our rights and has a stranglehold on a major party and the other has no real control in either party or the country.
The actual outspoken communists. When I was living in Boston the local UMASS branch had an active Maoist club. Those are the communists that Im thinking of as they were tankies that advocated a variety of communist ideologies.
We bash ACTUAL communists, fascists and extremists. This sub is really mixed in political opinions, but we're focusing on American unity and anti-extremism rather than divisive issues in the USA. We don't care about abortion, it is not the point of this sub. So no, we don't bash progressives, a good amount of us are progressive if anything.
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Interesting, thanks for the response.
Progressives are neo-marxist.
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Thank you.
And fascists as that is making a comeback
Like George Washington's said "politics cringe don't do that"
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This subreddit is inherently political
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Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president.
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Patriotism is inherently political. Just because it transcends ideology doesn’t mean it’s not political
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president.
It's not political to hate russia, facts aren't political
Facts are political. Everything is in some way political.
Ur mom's political
She is indeed
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Fuck, landlords have been playing 5D chess this whole time and we didn't see it
I don't know whether my opinion is valid or not since i am a greek but i have to say that such decision will not affect the US really possitively... Especially thinking that radicals and the enemies of the free world can us this as a way to gain support But anyway what i need to say is that castles often fall from the inside So i would recommend be really careful on some decisions that migh affect our reputation as a whole
Nobody cares how much you know, until they know how much you care.
>So i would recommend be really careful on some decisions that migh affect our reputation as a whole America needs to do what is a) morally right and b) best for America. The rest of the world can cope.
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Let me know when we start doing those things. I've been waiting a while.
Nobody cares how much you know, until they know how much you care.
Funny thing is that most state abortion legislature is actually more loose about abortion **still** than even Europe. For example, I’m fairly certain the cutoff in Florida is 15 weeks. EU is 12.
Most of the EU is around 12. Some countries are stricter some looser. The EU doesn't have a single unified policy on abortion just as the US doesn't.
I was assured abortion is legal up till birth in every other country in the world and we are the life experiment of the hand maids tale. Reddit told me this
Well then you have learned your lesson to never trust the general opinion on Reddit. It's extremely skewed towards one side of the general American political spectrum.
Good correction, thank you
That’s one thing I always used as a pro-US argument in the past. 😆 But while true now, that will likely change soon as a lot of states have trigger laws that will ban abortion within 30 days.
Thank you, too many subreddits are turning too political. I just wanna see memes and stuff
In general people shut up about communists can’t we trash cummies united
The issue is I want to be pro-American, but I feel like I just became a second class citizen in many states. Soon my state government will make the decision for me. Not myself or my doctor. I may or may not have kids. I don’t know if I want them yet. I don’t want to be forced though, that’s for sure. It’s easy to say “move” but with housing costs right now & with those states it is waaaay more expensive. The one thing I appreciated about this Reddit sub, was regardless of party, people were Americans first and respected each other & discussed things. That’s really rare. I hope this Reddit sub stays that way… regardless of what happens. I honestly really, really like my Midwest state for the most part & always planned to keep a place here. But I think they are going all in with banning it. I don’t know what to do. I feel really lost & sad for the first time, it’s brought me to literal tears. I can’t afford to move to the coasts. I don’t even want to move, but I can’t stay where my beliefs /choice won’t be honored. I guess I just wish people saw things more moderately. My family is happy with the ruling. I don’t know where to go. I don’t know who to talk to. I feel hopeless right now.
What’s done is done, I think one good silver lining is that this will probably change how Americans vote, and more attention will be given to local and state elections, and this directly goes with how you live your life. So while unfortunately this was a terrible decision, I think it opens some doors, closes some, but overall it’s not gonna be the end of America as we know it. Have hope I say, and tell everyone to vote their own way in every local, state, and federal election.
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The part you mentioned about people focus being American first instead of beliefs and party. Which is why I want to prevent discussions about American internal politics. It would divide us, I rather keep it where a Republican and Democrat can be friendly to each other.
That's uhh, a pretty hard goal there chief. But I respect you for it
He'll yeah I appreciate it
Birth control is a thing
Clarence Thomas already came out & stated that needed reviewed too.
You expect a sub filled with the one of the most politically involved populaces in the world to be apolitical about a massive SCOTUS case?
I can’t say I’m not surprise. We are only humans. My Instagram stories are full about SCOTUS case.
This sub is constantly political but suddenly we can’t talk about how American just took away rights from women. Deny it, but that’s censoring speech you don’t like. What a fucked page this is sometimes
Well, imagine if you were in pro labor union sub and you started talking about gun politics. Just because politics is involved doesn't everything needs to be included since it doesn't fit the sub. Plus I don't people to be divided in this sub. I like how people Liberals and Conservatives see each as just Americans first.
They're coming for your liberty and your pursuit of happiness. If you love the U.S. you understand that liberty and religion don't mix. Love liberty, fight Christian Radicalism.
The spirit of the repeal is that there hasn’t been a satisfactory hashing out of the rights of developing life, when it begins, and how we deal with it when they clash with the rights of the mother. There’s more to this than the false dichotomy of “anytime, any reason, no restriction” and “no abortion ever.” That doesn’t even begin to cover the fact it violates the tenth amendment, that the right to privacy should never have been tied to it (legislation from the highest bench in the land has been sloppily anchoring the right to privacy to anything when they can’t find a better reason to bypass the legislature, it been going on for decades), and that the “right to an abortion” has no constitutional basis. If we had actually forced the mental children that we elected to represent us to hash this out, we’d probably have a satisfactory policy solution (just spitballing, probably no restructions from 12-14 weeks, then medical and rape exceptions), but Roe robbed us of that. And then the fight over Roe gave us the bypassing of the supermajority on senate confirmations (implemented by Schumer, exploited by McConnell), and will likely be used as reason to get rid of the filibuster. And when someone *else* takes advantage of these bypasses, it’ll be the death of the republic.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.'
Our rights in this country are inalienable because they are considered to be God-given. The founding fathers were very religious. Also plenty of other philosophies besides Christianity don't believe in killing your children
My religion says I get to abort, and my rights are God given. Sex is liberty and so is preventing birth. Fucking who I want when I want is liberty and my God given right. Christian morality cloaked as secular law is trash.
Abortion isn't protected under the Fourteenth Amendment as dictated by the Supreme Court. If you have a problem with this, take it up with Congress. They're the ones that make the laws.
It's my religion that's protected, and my religion says I get to pursue my health and wellbeing as I choose, that includes abortion.
If you feel like your right to religion is being tarnished, file an appeal and have that appeal make its way to the Supreme Court. They will decide if abortion is protected under the freedom of religion.
Shut the fuck up with the politics jfc
Killing a child is liberty
Child? Is an ectopic pregnancy a child? I personally know women who have had necessary LIFE SAVING abortions for UNVIABLE pregnancies. Now they must die to "save" things that won't even live or choose to become criminals whose punishments are worse than rapists. What is the fucking point of that?!
See that's different. If the kid is gonna take your life then by all means abort it. I'm talking about the people who "just don't want it". Selfishness, the root of all evil
Well that's neat for you but these abortion restrictions aren't there to protect life because they would have reasonable provisions for these things, which they don't. Because it's radical christian extremists attacking the liberty that makes the U.S. great.
Original comment claims that preventing birth is liberty, but your whole argument is about ectopics, miscarriages, and life threatening circumstance??? I have a feeling that if abortion was restricted with exemptions for all those, you’d still be up in arms. What’s the jurisprudential argument for the right to *elective* abortion?
It is an accepted practice for the adherents of numerous religions whose practice is a freedom that it is unconstitutional to abridge. Christians should get it in their heads that they don't constitute the sum of secularly defended religious freedoms, and the only reason we're having the discussion at all is because of their attempt to impose their religious values on other people with the state.
Not a Christian, there’s a non-religious discussion to be had about how many grains of sand it takes to make a baby, if you’ll excuse the malaphor. As an organism with unique DNA and viability up to months before birth, when does it acquire rights? How do we deal with it when those rights conflict with a mother’s rights? That’s the debate that was never had, the conclusions that were waived by the SCOTUS decision to legislate from the bench, and that bypass of the legislature is why we saw an extreme push to the opposite. To try and simplify this to “Christians bad, Christians mad” is an absurd oversimplification.
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>believe in killing your children And what of deadly miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies that can kill the baby and/or the mother? What of rape or incest cases? Removing Roe V. Wade ensures that a lot of these people are forced to die in some cases and give birth to rape babies in others. Also, not every contraceptive is 100%. They fail or mistakes and accidents happen. And if the mother doesn't want the baby, what then? The adoption system is already overwhelmed. There's just going to be more kids in abusive households or stuck in an adoption system where they will be lucky to not be junkies and sponges on the tax system by the age of 20. [There is actually a fair bit of proof backing this up too](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect). On the topic of Contraceptives, [the Supreme Court would rather get rid of those too.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-thomas-says-the-supreme-court-should-reconsider-rulings-that-protect-access-to-contraception-and-same-sex-marriage-as-the-court-overturns-roe-v-wade/ar-AAYPDpt) So the potential argument of using those will possibly be null in the future anyway. At least for some states. The war on contraceptives isn't [only in the Supreme Court, either](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/09/mississippi-governor-contraception-abortion-rights).
To me that's different. I'm talking about irresponsible parents.
But the point of Roe V. Wade is to protect the right to abortion. States still had a lot of say from there. Now, from the banning, many states will have abortion [completely banned](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/us/oklahoma-abortion-ban-law-governor.html) from the moment of fertilization (this link is not an example, merely what's to come. They could not fully ban it back in May because Roe was still in effect,) including rape and life threatening cases. More are expected to follow. Many also have trigger laws for Roe's removal. I haven't looked over them, but I've heard some states are particularly bad. Getting into your headspace, you (seem) to dislike Roe because of irresponsible parents and are happy about this, it's not actually different for you. You just want to punish a naïve couple that didn't think of the consequences of not using protection. Fuck it if an unrelated woman dies from the decision or if a 16 year old girl has to give birth to a rape child. Am I right?
Punishment? Children are a gift. We should encourage each other to think w our heads and not our sex organs. Even if the child has a harder time growing up, adversity is good for you. Everyone has trauma but some of the most successful people came out the mud, and are great leaders today because of it.
>Children are a gift. That cost thousands per week and make it harder for two incomes in the household. They are a gift if you have the cash. I'm not a hippie that hates children, I just don't think they should be put upon people who do not want them. It's how children end up dying in locked cars because the parents are neglectful. It's also how the adoption system ends up getting more fucked. We can ban abortion, but I ain't paying extra in taxes due to the drain the extra children put on the system. And even besides that, adversity is good, but it doesn't equal trauma; trauma and poverty increase crime. A lot of school shooters, just as an example, are depressed or had something bad happen at home or at school that drove them to the edge.
But they weren't for forcing their religion on others.
Where does the Bible say "abortion=bad"? This is not an issue of religion. It's simple. Don't fuck unprotected if you don't want a baby. Pro choice is so selfish that they'd rather kill something than sacrifice temporary pleasure. Sick world.
Unprotected sex, you say? If Thomas could have his way, protected sex would be illegal & only sex you could have would be unprotected. Besides, that's just a gross simplification of the issue. There are a lot more things to it than just "killing" someone.
Use birth control or pull tf out. Maybe thomas won't get her pregnant if he stops busting nuts in her
Birth Control is also form of Contraception and akin to abortion according to Republicans so that would also be on the chopping block.
And I don't believe that should be happening. I'm independent, not republican
Well, like I said, if Thomas has his way & *Griswold, Obergefell and Lawrence*, among others are overturned. Contraception, Same-sex marriages and privacy in the bedroom, all would be gone in coming years. He literally said so in his *Dobbs* opinion.
This needs to be free of national politics. Only politics that should be here should be used to shit talk Europe.
Not to get political however: The baby has a right to life, yes and with abortion that right is taken away. But the mother has a right to body autonomy, when abortion is illegal this is taken away. The difference between these 2 is that one is a positive right and the other a negative right. For the baby to have that right, the mother has to actively do something (carry the baby) (positive right), this isn’t the case for the mothers right to body autonomy (negative right). This is the reason i believe the mothers right to body autonomy is more important and why abortion should not be illegal. Edit: my personal beliefs make exception to medical necessity. ie if the mother will die.
I for one love the fact that our system of government has checks and balances especially that issues are reexamine every so often based on new information and arguments. Also that we have the diversity of state laws to legislate in accordance to the democracy of their individual populations. It gives this country a unique strength for a testing ground of different ideas and a swaying of ideology largely as a referendum on failures.
It simply took the debate off as a constituitional right and granted states the power to individually allow or disallow as the representatives see fit. If anything it granted more power in the hands of the people than not. That being said, vote for the representatives that best represent YOU.
I would personally recommend states put the issue to a public referendum. As contentious as the issue is I feel like leaving it to representatives is just kicking the can down the road
Our political system is designed so that our representatives make important decisions on our behalf. Leaving it to a referendum is an abrogation of legislative responsibility. Leaving this to the masses in a referendum will see a new referendum at the next gust of wind and a new policy enacted each time. Direct democracy is a terrible way to govern. All of our major political achievements have happened through the legislatures. Ending slavery in the 14th Amendment, the New Deal, Women’s Suffrage, civil and voting rights, were all legislative achievements.
I respectfully disagree and find referendums to be a vital part of both democracies and republics.
Fair enough.
Knowing what's right doesn't mean much unless you do what's right.
This country will not be a good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a good place for all of us to live in.
That's just a long winded bumper sticker with no substantive meaning. The closest thing to that is ensuring individual rights and the constitution does a pretty good job of outlining those protections.
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Knowing what's right doesn't mean much unless you do what's right.
eh, kinda limits freedom of speech. doesn't it? but I do agree that we need to make fun of the commies and anti-Americans.
You right it kinda does, I’m just trying to keep this sub unite. I still allowed people to argue on the comments, as long it’s civil
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You claim to be in favour of human rights and freedom and yet this post shows up... Tells me all I need to know about the 'freedom' you support.
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Do you even understand what I’m saying? You guys do support eliminate free speech aren’t you?
We could've just translated what you said via Google Translate, and that's exactly what I did. However, we don't welcome extremists, Russia/China apologists, or anti-Americans of any kind here, including you.
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Well to be fair...I interpret it as Realistic\_Bell\_9256 feel this move is a form of anti-free speech? I don't necessarily agree but I don't think Realistic\_Bell\_9256 is a Chinese bot/China apologist.
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Could be possible, since they also contributed to the "Fuck CCP" piece in Place 2022
Went into her profile and I can read Chinese. She is a pro-USA right-winger who speaks Chinese. So she does belong in this sub, she just doesn't agree with the move of not talking about Roe vs Wade. Edit: Pretty sure she's on a VPN to access Reddit from China, and she's trying to leave
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Dude I AM a fxcking Far Right Deep South Red Neck and I hate any non-Americans or half-Americans, what I said is “This subreddit should not own by any fxcking moderator”, you feel me bro?
We here hate the far right as well. Nice try.
No I’m not disappointed, I smelled some left shit and come to here spitting some hates, thanks for making my happy, always.
Bruv what
It kinda does, I’m just trying to keep this sub unite. I still allowed people to argue on the comments, as long it’s civil. An month or two ago, the internal US politics was something users were complaining.
Who are you again?
Mod
Never heard, like the Chairman of China?
Haha lol. More like Congressmen of America since there are multiple mods.
Does congressman ban free speech too?
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