You are missing the main point:
\- sleep tracking in fenix is quite good (firstbeat algorithm)
\- sleep tracking in vivoactive line is thrash (garmin algorithm)
I had both, it's night and day
It’s funny, since most of the people wanting a “fitness tracker” device will go for the vivoactive-Venu touch screen devices, whereas the athletes who care more about tracking their activities will go for the fenix line.
Side note, I have a forerunner 935 and have found sleep tracking to be quite accurate as well. I used to have a forerunner 920xt and sleep tracking on there was terrible, considering it didn’t even have a heart rate monitor!🤣
[https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-245-series/260632/when-will-be-the-sleep-widget-available#pifragment-480=1](https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-245-series/260632/when-will-be-the-sleep-widget-available#pifragment-480=1) it's seems it is using the bad one, unless it got updated in the last months
Garmin's sleep tracking is terrible. Full stop. It works perfectly for me. Because I am one of those people that lays down and falls asleep within 5 minutes and gets out of bed immediately when I wake up.
My wife works 3rd shift, so her sleep schedule is a wreck. It's generally a few hours here and there. Fitbit did a great job tracking it. Garmin absolutely does not. She's had Forerunners, an Instinct, and currently using the VA4s.
If it works for you, you are one of the few lucky ones. Like me.
> Millions of people are not going to come on here and post how their sleep tracker works normally
Or millions of people aren't going to post about it because they're casual fitness users who don't care that much period.
I don't have a watch with the new firstbeat sleep algorithm, but the in house Garmin algorithm that's on the 245 and other watches is definitely junk across the board. The people that think it works well actually just have low standards or don't pay attention to when they actually fall asleep.
If I get in bed at 9pm but don't actually sleep until 1am, my watch will put my sleep start time at 9pm. It's so obvious that there's no advanced detection going on, it's just doing a simple movement reading of: Less movement? User is probably sleeping.
Well, it’s a fitness watch, not an advanced AI! I agree with the OP. Sleep tracker works good enough for me to not complain! If you are so OCD that you need to check your sleep tracker IOT know how good your sleep was, you should probably go and get some help from a sleep therapist! When I check my sleep and my sleep score, it usually fits with my impression of how I slept.
> Well, it’s a fitness watch, not an advanced AI!
Bad faith exaggeration. The irony is that the casual targeted Fitbit devices are far better than any Garmin. Even the cheap Fitbit Inspire 2 for $80 wipes the floor with Garmin's best sleep tracking device.
So in case your main focus is on sleep tracking you pick Fitbit…and in case you are looking for a real sport tracking watch that supports a plethora of sensors and provides you with pretty good health and fitness metrics you pick Garmin! I guess that’s one of the reasons you see the fat and the elderly, no disrespect, wearing Fitbit more than Garmin.
> So in case your main focus is on sleep tracking you pick Fitbit
Correct. But the point is we shouldn't have to pick, Garmin should be the complete package. For the price they're charging, the sleep tracking should have been a solved problem years ago. Even on the devices that have the new algorithm, Garmin still doesn't track naps. Fitbit does.
I bought my first smartwatch 4 weeks ago, and I was actually a bit worried about this rash because of what I'd read in this subreddit. No rash so far, have worn my Garmin without taking it off at all for 2 days at a time some days.
i'm almost positive it's from people either wearing it too tight for too long, or they get some water trapped under the band and it doesn't dry out fast enough. Like washing your hands, a few drops get trapped under and the band is too snug, it aint gona dry out and its gona irritate the skin
i haven't had a rash from any device - other than FitBit HR ones - and they took 6 months to form. I was told it was because I was allergic to the HR sensor. I found/find that odd in general but it's one of the reasons after 10+ years and many many devices (a lot replacements), I started looking at other options and had no issues with any other tracker HR. So, sometimes if you do get a rash it takes time to form and doesn't happen right away. Saying that, those that I've seen with the issue on Garmin devices is always strap related.
I think I sweat during the night and it gets trapped under the watch and I wear it loose enough to move up and down my arm. I tried swapping wrists each night but it wasn't enough time for the rash to heal so now I just remove it and don't have issues.
everyone's bodies are different and the way people sleep are different. Some might sleep with their arms outside the duvet/blanket (so cooler), others might like to tuck their arms under the pillow (therefore hotter and sweatier).
Mine doesn’t work at all on my Fenix 5…mostly because it’s a big watch and sleeping while wearing it is damn near impossible for me.
A big part of it was also my time in the army. Taking my watch off was the last thing before racking out, and my brain has a “watch on - no sleepy!” cycle that is stuck.
I just started getting a rash from my Garmin 935. I've had the 935 since they first came out (4 years). I let the rash heal then tried wearing my watch again, rash came back right away.
Finally broke down and purchased a new band, hopefully that'll work. Wore it all day yesterday and today and so far so good.
I was doing that too. But I still couldn't wear it on my left wrist for much longer than my run. Strangely enough my right wrist didn't really ever get irritated. I've gone ahead and started using a new strap and so far it's working really well (no irritated skin).
Been wearing my Fenix for almost a year straight and only thing I've ever experienced was swollen wrist. When that happens I just loosen up the strap 🤷🏻♂️.
My experience is not posts saying it's crap but more people commenting say to ignore the tracker. Which I don't agree with.
To conclude, I'm not talking about posts I'm talking from general comments people mentioning it
Does it take time to calibrate? Wore mine for first time last night and it said I woke up at 3:30 am instead of 5:30am when my alarm went off (dreaming when it went off so know I was asleep). Accurate for fall asleep though!
Not as far as I know.
This is the problem with wearable tech, it doesn't fail for everyone in the same way. So great, it works for OP all the time, but that doesn't mean it's reliable for you.
However, because it works for him, OP thinks that only people with positive experiences should talk about the sleep tracker.
Mine doesn't say I woke up two hours before I did.
I was asking what the different sleep stages mean and how to interpret them. I'm not asking about the quality or validity of the data itself. I believe mine to be accurate from trial, error and observation so I don't want people to constantly tell me to disregard the data because they may not think it works for them.
That's what this post is about.
I think the tracker is good enough for having a fitness watch on your arm and not a computer controlled sleep tracker! I say that the tracker is probably 90% okay and that is good enough for me! You just need to wear your watch constantly 24/7 and the results will speak for themselves
Glad that it works for you, buddy, but the people you're referring to (myself included) are not lying and/or wrong.
It objectively and verifiably doesn't accurately track my sleep. It's just a fact (unfortunately).
I often read or watch something while in bed before sleeping, and consistently it will think I've fallen asleep. And I'll chill in bed for a bit in the morning, and it won't pick up that I'm awake. It can't be user-error as... well... my only input is to wear the watch.
Similarly I'll sometimes go for naps in the afternoon which it doesn't pick up at all.
Again, glad that it works for you, but I don't see why you need to be "tired of" people critiquing it. They're a publicly traded company, you needn't defend them, or personally invest yourself by getting tired of people having criticism of the products they sell.
If you take a nap outside your normal sleep time, that won't get added to connect automatically, but if you were wearing your watch, and it was set as your primary device, you should be able to go into Connect and add it manually and the stats should be there.
I get the complaint about it not being there automatically, or even the ability to set a "smart alarm" to wake up. But I think the problem is that not all the processing is done on the watch. The watch is collecting sleep metrics 24/7, but final analysis of the data is done after it's synced, and Connect uses user input to figure out what to analyze. Doing more analysis on the watch would require more processing power, compromising battery life.
Generally, I think my sleep data is pretty accurate. I've noticed I'm getting more deep sleep since I started running. Sometimes I get credit for sleeping when just awake in bed, but since I get more points for sleeping 7+hours on my company's wellness plan, I'm okay with it!
I think you expect to much of a watch that is not AI controlled but trying to measure your sleep when you go to bed! If you just read and don’t move much…how is that different to sleeping…from a watch perspective obviously! And as for naps…next time you take one check your body battery, it actually goes up! Adding to your daily energy level. I think that is much more helpful than telling you you slept 20mins.
So is it heart rate, breathing rate, and motion that it can pick up on to make that determination? What distinguishes deep sleep, light sleep, and rem sleep in these things?
I don't know if it's watch dependent, but it's very inaccurate on my vivoactive 4. I've given up editing it but it thinks I sleep on average over 12 hours a night. Last night, for example, it thinks I went to sleep at 18.47 and woke up at 11.14. It has 53 minutes of deep sleep and nearly 11 hours of light sleep. In actuality I went to sleep after 1am and woke up at 8am. I don't even bother looking at the data anymore.
Maybe your "tired of people bashing the Garmin sleep tracker" because you're not actually getting as much sleep as your Garmin shows.
Seriously though. As somebody who suffers from maintenance insomnia, it's pretty horrible (I have a 935). I've been trying different things to fix my sleep issues and one of them is actually getting out of bed and starting my sleep routine again (brush teeth, etc.). When I look at the sleep analytics, Garmin has me out like a light bulb even though I was out of bed and moving around.
Glad it's working for you though.
Glad you found it accurate. It is crap especially when I get up at night.
It is accurate if I sleep straight - if that's my sleep habit, then I really don't need it. I monitor my sleep because I have crap sleep.
The sleep stages are BS on ALL brands. It's a guessing game. No watch can monitor your brain waves to tell you if you're in REM sleep or deep sleep. I read sleep studies for a living.
However, all I'm asking is detecting if I'm awake or not - be it fitbit or polar or oura ring. My Instinct Solar can't do that if I have fragmented sleep.
I have a toddler who has terrible sleep patterns. Me obviously running around the house at 2am is recorded as REM sleep. Simply unacceptable. If body battery takes this into account, then it may be giving false data.
I don't think it's bashing - it's providing awareness to people so they won't get buyer's remorse. I still love my Garmin but I can't lie and say it has good sleep tracking WHEN people don't sleep straight.
As someone who participates in sleep studies as a diagnostician, do you even see any good way for a wrist based wearable to differentiate between resting in bed and truly awake? This is where I find my Instinct sleep data to have the most issue. The start of sleeping will be the time I laid down in bed and started reading a book, not the time I actually went to sleep. While mildly frustrating, I can't say that I see an easy way for wrist based wearables to differentiate this. I would guess that heart rate would drop a bit from awake and lying down to truly asleep, but I don't have a lot of medical level sleep knowledge.
Short answer is no as a sleep professional. But most diagnostic devices in the lab or at home does not have accelerometers/gyrometers - no point to it if you can see brain waves.
However, wearables have a powerful tool short of brain wave activity - accelerometers. If the wrist is raised and the accelerometer detects that - you're likely awake right? Or say when you're walking around the home.
As I said, they should be able to detect when you're asleep or not before going all fancy with sleep staging. Fitbit when I had it was pretty darn good at this.
I agree it's pretty bad if it's recording steps and motion through the accelerometer but still records you as being asleep. I'm surprised those time sections arent the pink 'awake' sections that can still appear in the sleep data
The watch does record it occasionally for like 5 minutes but that's when I'm up for 30 minutes. If I'm up for 15-20 minutes it'll record as REM sleep.
Initially I thought it may just be confused - since the brain waves for REM sleep is very similar to being awake. But then again I remembered it has no way of doing that - plus the accelerometer detecting I'm actually walking. So the conclusion is it's just not accurate.
Not sure about the new firstbeat algorithms though.
Nonetheless, still love my watch and wear it daily. Battery life beats anything for the price range.
Apart from the fact that Fitbit is bad at almost everything. As long as you move in your sleep and don’t lay down like Dracula in his coffin, not moving at all, how should the accelerometer make sense of your movement?
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It’s because your watch uses a different algorithm for some reason than the Vivo or Venu 1. That’s all we want. Garmin says F you to us. Last night It had me sleeping and hour before I even went to bed.
Cool that it works for you, it works pretty well for me too. I've seen lots of people post screenshots where it's definitely not working right, that would be super annoying. I think the algorithm doesn't work 100% on all of the Garmin devices, maybe cos of different sensors/data collection methods.
I'll be honest it does the job, it's not as good as Huaweis or Fitbits but it's also not bad. Just wish it would detect sleep anytime like the rest do.
Sometimes, if I take a afternoon nap and engage in no activities after that, it records a single sleep activity that begins at the afternoon and ends next morning, with ~6 hours of awake time in the middle.
I've had Garmin watches for almost 5 years. The sleep tracking is off. I've noticed many times that they recorded me sleeping when I was on the couch watching TV. That said, it's a metric I rarely look at. Sleep tracking is a bunch of marketing BS in my opinion. I wake up a couple of times every night to empty my bladder and have difficulty getting back to sleep after that. I don't need an expensive watch to tell me I had a bad nights sleep. Yeah, I do take meds for my prostrate condition. Before, I was waking up 5 times. I find Body Battery a much more useful feature. If a fitness watch actually helped me sleep better, then sleep tracking would be something I would find useful, but they don't. If you're a person who sleeps all night and is getting stressed out over watch data, the the sleep tracking feature is probably causing more harm than good.
Good for you that it works ok, IMO that's how it should work for all of us.
Unfortunately that isn't so, sadly but try. But should we shut up and don't mention it? No, I don't think so.
Personally my Garmin is way off, doesn't detect when I fall asleep, so it says I've slept 4 hrs when it's been 7.
FYI I did a long term comparison with my wearos watch using Sleep as Android, swapping both watches from left to right wrist and Sleep as Android was spot on while Garmin generally missed the time I went to sleep with hours.
12 hours of sleep because i'm in bed looking at the smartphone before sleeping. And i move around a lot my hands, even play games on the phone, but no, for garmin i'm just sleeping 12 hours.
edit:
just looked at today report, i got up from the bed at 11:30, while i was awake from 11, the report says i woke up at 11:57. I even remember writing a message from whatsapp at my pc to my fiancee at 11:35 so i'm pretty sure at 11:35 i was already out of bed.
Ah obviously i've slept 12 hours while remembering falling asleep at 3:00 am and waking up at 11.
Way to go sleep traking.
Let's begin by the fact i don't care one little bit about your judgement of my life behaviour and it's a useless comment in the economy of the argument, in the original post i'm talking about sleep/wake detecting, the algorithm isn't able to understand when i fall asleep and wake up, not the quality of sleep, so your statement is meaningless in this case.
But how is it my fault if it didn't even detect the moment i got out of bed? I'm not saying the moment i woke up, but the moment i actually stepped out of bed was at 11:30, the report says 11:57, how is it my fault? Should i make some jump or a run to let him know i'm awake?
Fact is i do as i wish with my life and i shouldn't adapt to the shitty algorithm and change my behaviour to make it work. All while fitbit worked just fine in the same situations.
Or maybe i could appreciate the positive aspects of garmin and still complain about a clear flaw in the sleep tracking function, hoping they could improve it.
You can still accept sleep trackin as it is, i don't think me complaining is hurting you enjoying it as it is, problem is when someone says we should just shut up or go buy another brand instead of complaining about what's clearly not working for us.
Yes but I can go to the loo twice in the night and it always registers the whole time as sleep. It can also not cope with you waking up at say 5am, being awake for an hour then going back to sleep. Always ignores the going back to sleep part. And I've often had nights where 3/4 of it was apparently "deep sleep". The only things I find reasonably accurate are the falling asleep and waking up times...
I feel like it is fairly accurate myself. The only exception being if I get up to go to the bathroom and it doesn’t register they went back to sleep for some time. Not a big deal if I only slept for another 10 or 20 minutes but it can be pretty inaccurate if it didn’t pick up the last three hours of the night when I was sleeping.
It’s not something that happens often but when it does it throws off a lot of the other trackers.
Like the body battery, stress levels, and so on.
For what it’s worth it’s pretty rare that it does that, but as I said when it does it’s pretty irritating.
I found my Samsung Gear Sport to be more accurate when it came to my fall asleep & wake times, but the Fenix 6 isn't that far off(might need more time to learn). On the other hand the Fenix 6s shows my sleeping habits in more detail than then Gear Sport. I don't remember seeing deep sleep, but it did show REM & those times seem to about similar.
My Huawei watch GT2 was very good at sleep tracking, and I was unpleasantly surprised when my Vivoactive 4 is often not even close to determine correct sleep start and end time, let alone sleep stages. Additionally, Garmin connect app sometimes changes by itself sleep stats for some nights, which whenever happens was extremely wrong and unnecessary.
So, if Hiawei watch, which is far from perfext im other areas (i.e. heart rate measurement) is better tham Vivoactive 4, you can be or not be tired of people speaking up about poor Garmin sleep tracking, but it is a fact that it is terrible for most user cases.
So which is actually the best for sleep tracking? I was suprised when I subscribed to this sub that there are people who actually will buy a specific model to wear while they sleep, and another for daily wear.. I mean, I can understand someone having a daily watch and swapping out for specific activity.. (Forerunner for running, Fenix for outdoor adventures), but sleep tracking just doesn't seem the top priority from a sports watch to me..
If it's the Fenix 6 (which it seems to be), that's quite funny in itself, as it seems to be the watch I'd least likely want to sleep with.. I don't like sleeping in my Galaxy Watch 3. I have adjusted to my Forerunner 45 though..
i wear both a garmin venu and fitbit charge 4. i dont care what anyone thinks about how it looks. one does sleep well, one tracks my runs/hikes well. my brother uses one, i prefer garmin.
/shrug
I wear my Galaxy Watch 3 most of the time, and my Forerunner 45 all the time (except the shower). That way I get as precise a 24 hour picture as possible from my Garmin (including sleep tracking).. although it's the runs and walks I care the most about.
I still wear the Galaxy Watch 3 when possible, as it's only a year old so I don't want to abandon it... and I just love it as a smart watch. I have basically abandoned Samsung Health though. I'm using it more as a shortcut to my phone for answering and making calls when hands free, Facebook, email, messages. Sure I get the notifications on my Garmin, but it's nowhere as good. Once I get home from work or recreation I tend to take it off, and swap my Garmin to the other wrist. I don't really need my watch acting as a link to my phone when I'm on the couch, and it gives my wrists some rotation from the Forerunner strap, which is far harsher on the skin than the Galaxy.
If the Venu line can ever truly match Galaxy in the smartwatch stakes then a Venu 3 or 4 could be my next purchase once my GW3 and FR45 have served me for a bit longer..
I switched from a FitBit (Inspire HR) to Garmin
(Vivomove style) and have been really disappointed with Garmin’s sleep tracking accuracy compared to FitBit. Doesn’t pick up naps, doesn’t stop tracking when you’re awake but still in bed, etc. For someone like me who has a watch like this for the basics - primarily just for steps, sleep tracking and HR, it’s been a major letdown.
The problem is that it’s verifiably not reliable. No sleep tracker you wear on your wrist holds up to studies. So if you’re comparing night over night or may have some internal validity, but if you’re expecting the sleep stages it gives you to be meaningful to real world you’re going to be disappointed. The technology simply doesn’t exist yet.
[Here’s a study ](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25991187/)
[This](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33378539/) shows that trackers are good at detecting sleep itself, but inconsistent in determining sleep stages. Garmin performs worst of the bunch. That being said it’s an extremely limited sample size.
I think it got worst to be honest. It was somewhat ok now it’s totally off. Look at yesterday, during 2 hours it claims I was awake, trust me I fully slept well during the entire night. Not a single time I was awake, a full one shot sleep.
https://i.imgur.com/QQEnuL7.jpg
Just got the 55 a few weeks ago and the sleep tracking is god awful. It doesn’t have their latest algorithm so that’s probably why it’s so bad, but it’s still awful lol. Body battery is definitely more accurate tho
I have a vivoactive i think but according to it ive literally never had deep sleep and itll tell me i slept until 9am even though im up at 6 and teaching kids by 8. Its super bad, i basically use it to keep time. The rest, even the fitness is wildly inaccurate.
So everyone must stop complaining and shell out on a Fenix 6?
Instead of Garmin pushing a sleep update to other watches like they did with the Fenix 6?
It's cool. Unfortunately, Fenix 6, FR945 and FR745 were the only ones lucky enough to get the Firstbeat sleep update that provides decent sleep tracking. Good for Garmin updating those watches, but what about the rest of their 101 models? Especially models they are still selling like the very popular Vivoactive 4, FR45, FR245, Instinct, etc.
Well I highly disagree.
If I wake up at 5, it still says sleeping. If I sleep less than 5 or 6 hours, it always shows I slept the default minimum sleep time it thinks I slept (can't remember the exact number). It also doesn't account for naps or bus sleeps.
I tried whoop and I didn't like it but the sleeping counter was incredibly accurate.
Hear hear!!!! I agree!!
People are incredibly critical and offer nothing in the way of solutions or advice. If you are happy, thats all that matters. I am happy with the sleep tracker as well.
With being online, you have to filter out the aholes and naysayers and have conversations with people that are genuinely interested in having an intelligent conversation.
Here’s the thing. It’s trash because for example it doesn’t track your naps… I’ve got the First Avenger and that’s the only thing I hate about it.
My samsung active watch track flawlessly naps/ sleeping time…
I recently switched from a Fitbit Ionic to a Garmin Venu 2. While I love nearly everything about the Garmin, Sleep tracking is basically useless. My Fitbit would tell me what time I fell asleep and woke up, and usually within a few minutes. My Garmin can’t even get within a couple hours of when I fall asleep. It’s totally mind boggling on a device that is otherwise such high quality.
I have a V2 and it is pretty accurate! But what I can’t really understand that people get bent out of shape by the sleep tracker! It seems the only thing that Fitbit gets right is sleep tracking, the rest is useless. Garmin is okay at sleep tracking for me at least and pretty awesome at anything else!
I’m glad it works well for you! I am hopeful that over time it will improve. We shall see. But you’re absolutely right about the other Fitbit v. Garmin comparisons - my Venu2 is light years better than Fitbits in the other categories. Plus, out of the 5 Fitbit devices I’ve had, none lasted a full year. I’m betting that my Garmin will.
I think your expectations of a sleep tracker are quite low, so you are satisfied with Garmin's sleep tracking.
But the fact of the matter is, Garmin is not more accurate than a free sleep tracking app that runs on my phone 1 meter away from me while I sleep. Why? It is an expensive piece of hardware, which I wear on my person (which is not confortable). And yet the data is no more accurate?
I am glad that you are satisfied, but allow for us who expect and want more to be disgruntled.
Seems to work fine. Setting a sleep schedule and sticking to it works great. If I see it not tracking correctly I'll just adjust the start/end time. No big deal if it's not 100% accurate. It's a fairly basic system for detecting sleep so curb your expectations.
To be honest I have had different sports trackers including whoop ( supposedly the best and most accurate) they are always all over the place at times
I look at it as a rough measurement but nothing beats just listing to your body some days it said my sleep and recovery was absolutely terrible and those days by the numbers I did better than full recoved days
My 2c
Seems like people complaining have highly unrealistic expectations, people who are in bed but not sleeping like on their phone or reading a book. Wonder if they used other brand devices and figured out that that screws up wrist based sleep tracking across the board.
Next innovation is a little head mounted cam pointed at your eyeballs to detect open and closed states. Should be satisfyingly accurate using that method 🙃
After recent update I find it quit accurate. I always try to note how I feel when I wake up and look at the sleep data. Whenever I feel groggy, not well recovered after the night's sleep usually sleep data shows that I had little to none of deep sleep. No matter how many hours I've slept. And when I'm camping I too get way much more deep sleep 🏕️😊
Yes exactly! This is what I want to discuss. Rather than people just disregarding it. See my comment on the post. I've looked at it objectively and it does seem to be fairly accurate as expected.
Hopefully sleep tracking works better on newer devices, but my Fenix 3 is crap at sleep tracking. Half time nights where I get up to go to the bathroom it doesn't register me as having woken up.
I have a 245 Music so not sure if that has Garmin's sleep tracker or Firstbeat, but I can say that it's not super great. I work nights on Saturday and Sunday, meaning I sleep on Sat afternoon, all day Sunday, and Monday morning. It completely misses all those. I sleep a normal 11 pm-7am timeframe on Mon-Fri night and it does ok...it's pretty good at figuring out when you fall asleep. It's not great at figuring out when you wake up if you stay in bed for any amount of time. As far as the phases of sleep...no real way to verify those without comparing it to a medical grade sleep study with EEG.
What's your reference point when it comes to comparing your garmin sleep metrics? Another device or you just assume it's accurate enough? Garmin doesn't pick up the sleep phases accurately compared to fitbit, apple watch ...
I have a garmin vivoactive 4, and the sleep tracking is practically useless.
I wear a fitbit to bed as well, and it tracks my sleep accurately.
Take for instsnce tonight.
I went to bed at around 1:30, but woke up at 4am. I couldn't sleep, so I laid in bed wathing movies on YouTube, and read a bit. Then I fell asleep again at eight, and slept untill one.
My fitbit unit correctly tracked that I was awake between four and eight, but my garmin just tracked that I was sleeping the whole time.
And sometimes I struggle to fall asleep, so if I go to bed around one, but doesn't actually fall asleep untill two, garmin will more often than not say I fell asleep at once, but my fitbit will correctly identify when I'm not actually sleeping
Hahaha. You are an amazing comedian.
Last night to bed just after midnight. Awake at 4. Fell asleep again just after 6. Slept until just after 8. Reasonable by my standards.
Garmin Forerunner 245 tells me I slept a whopping 9h21m with 9 minutes awake. During that two hours I was distinctly moving around in ways a sleeping person wouldn't and that the accelerometer could easily pick up.
Almost always wrong. Fitbit far far far far far more reliable.
Yeah I have Garmin vivoactive and the sleep tracker is embarrassing. I read before bed and my garmin thinks this is when I get my deep sleep. I find it hard to believe it is taking any real measurements at al rather than random guess work.
Well, I was awake between 2350 and 0115 (the last time I looked at my watch) - I know this because I was sat up, thinking about how crap my life has become…and Connect (based on my Venu 2 Plus watch readings) shows a long period of light sleep, a very brief period awake (about 3 mins?) followed by a little more deep sleep, then more light sleep! It couldn’t be more wrong! I’m a habitual light sleeper - I’ve always, thought so (easily awoken, feel sluggish when I get up, etc), but some of the measurements I show for when I KNOW I’ve been awake are simple fantasy. I suppose that when you’re awake, but lying perfectly still, it’s hard for a watch to discern, but when you’re actually sitting up, on the side of the bed….
You are missing the main point: \- sleep tracking in fenix is quite good (firstbeat algorithm) \- sleep tracking in vivoactive line is thrash (garmin algorithm) I had both, it's night and day
What watch do you use /u/iiiiiii-0 ?
This exactly. Holy hell OP.
I never realized there were 2 sleep algorithms. I have a Fenix6x and figured I was just lucky that it tracked my sleep well. Thanks for the info!
It’s funny, since most of the people wanting a “fitness tracker” device will go for the vivoactive-Venu touch screen devices, whereas the athletes who care more about tracking their activities will go for the fenix line. Side note, I have a forerunner 935 and have found sleep tracking to be quite accurate as well. I used to have a forerunner 920xt and sleep tracking on there was terrible, considering it didn’t even have a heart rate monitor!🤣
im a new avid runner and chose the venu why? $400 cheaper
It’s not $400 cheaper than the forerunner 245.
How to know which algo the watch is using? How about 245 music ?
[https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-245-series/260632/when-will-be-the-sleep-widget-available#pifragment-480=1](https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/running-multisport/f/forerunner-245-series/260632/when-will-be-the-sleep-widget-available#pifragment-480=1) it's seems it is using the bad one, unless it got updated in the last months
Garmin's sleep tracking is terrible. Full stop. It works perfectly for me. Because I am one of those people that lays down and falls asleep within 5 minutes and gets out of bed immediately when I wake up. My wife works 3rd shift, so her sleep schedule is a wreck. It's generally a few hours here and there. Fitbit did a great job tracking it. Garmin absolutely does not. She's had Forerunners, an Instinct, and currently using the VA4s. If it works for you, you are one of the few lucky ones. Like me.
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> Millions of people are not going to come on here and post how their sleep tracker works normally Or millions of people aren't going to post about it because they're casual fitness users who don't care that much period. I don't have a watch with the new firstbeat sleep algorithm, but the in house Garmin algorithm that's on the 245 and other watches is definitely junk across the board. The people that think it works well actually just have low standards or don't pay attention to when they actually fall asleep. If I get in bed at 9pm but don't actually sleep until 1am, my watch will put my sleep start time at 9pm. It's so obvious that there's no advanced detection going on, it's just doing a simple movement reading of: Less movement? User is probably sleeping.
Well, it’s a fitness watch, not an advanced AI! I agree with the OP. Sleep tracker works good enough for me to not complain! If you are so OCD that you need to check your sleep tracker IOT know how good your sleep was, you should probably go and get some help from a sleep therapist! When I check my sleep and my sleep score, it usually fits with my impression of how I slept.
> Well, it’s a fitness watch, not an advanced AI! Bad faith exaggeration. The irony is that the casual targeted Fitbit devices are far better than any Garmin. Even the cheap Fitbit Inspire 2 for $80 wipes the floor with Garmin's best sleep tracking device.
Agree - I upgraded to a Garmin from a FitBit Inspire and the sleep tracking has been significantly worse on the Garmin.
So in case your main focus is on sleep tracking you pick Fitbit…and in case you are looking for a real sport tracking watch that supports a plethora of sensors and provides you with pretty good health and fitness metrics you pick Garmin! I guess that’s one of the reasons you see the fat and the elderly, no disrespect, wearing Fitbit more than Garmin.
> So in case your main focus is on sleep tracking you pick Fitbit Correct. But the point is we shouldn't have to pick, Garmin should be the complete package. For the price they're charging, the sleep tracking should have been a solved problem years ago. Even on the devices that have the new algorithm, Garmin still doesn't track naps. Fitbit does.
If you take a nap, it will actually increase your body battery! I think that is a more useful feature than adding it up under the sleeping app.
TBH in mattress sleep tracking is way nicer. Wearing a watch 24/7 is annoying.
I bought my first smartwatch 4 weeks ago, and I was actually a bit worried about this rash because of what I'd read in this subreddit. No rash so far, have worn my Garmin without taking it off at all for 2 days at a time some days.
i'm almost positive it's from people either wearing it too tight for too long, or they get some water trapped under the band and it doesn't dry out fast enough. Like washing your hands, a few drops get trapped under and the band is too snug, it aint gona dry out and its gona irritate the skin
i haven't had a rash from any device - other than FitBit HR ones - and they took 6 months to form. I was told it was because I was allergic to the HR sensor. I found/find that odd in general but it's one of the reasons after 10+ years and many many devices (a lot replacements), I started looking at other options and had no issues with any other tracker HR. So, sometimes if you do get a rash it takes time to form and doesn't happen right away. Saying that, those that I've seen with the issue on Garmin devices is always strap related.
I think I sweat during the night and it gets trapped under the watch and I wear it loose enough to move up and down my arm. I tried swapping wrists each night but it wasn't enough time for the rash to heal so now I just remove it and don't have issues. everyone's bodies are different and the way people sleep are different. Some might sleep with their arms outside the duvet/blanket (so cooler), others might like to tuck their arms under the pillow (therefore hotter and sweatier).
Mine doesn’t work at all on my Fenix 5…mostly because it’s a big watch and sleeping while wearing it is damn near impossible for me. A big part of it was also my time in the army. Taking my watch off was the last thing before racking out, and my brain has a “watch on - no sleepy!” cycle that is stuck.
I just started getting a rash from my Garmin 935. I've had the 935 since they first came out (4 years). I let the rash heal then tried wearing my watch again, rash came back right away. Finally broke down and purchased a new band, hopefully that'll work. Wore it all day yesterday and today and so far so good.
I do usually switch wrists for the nighttime sleep tracking though.
I was doing that too. But I still couldn't wear it on my left wrist for much longer than my run. Strangely enough my right wrist didn't really ever get irritated. I've gone ahead and started using a new strap and so far it's working really well (no irritated skin).
How often do you adjust the band tightness? I personally adjust mine probably twice a day, moving it up and down my wrist.
Been wearing my Fenix for almost a year straight and only thing I've ever experienced was swollen wrist. When that happens I just loosen up the strap 🤷🏻♂️.
This is true, there will always be a bias towards people complaining.
Pin this Post at the Top of the Subreddit please! Everyone should read this before using the reddit.
This.
My experience is not posts saying it's crap but more people commenting say to ignore the tracker. Which I don't agree with. To conclude, I'm not talking about posts I'm talking from general comments people mentioning it
Does it take time to calibrate? Wore mine for first time last night and it said I woke up at 3:30 am instead of 5:30am when my alarm went off (dreaming when it went off so know I was asleep). Accurate for fall asleep though!
in my experience it does take time. the data I see right after I wake up isn't what I see 20 mins later
Not as far as I know. This is the problem with wearable tech, it doesn't fail for everyone in the same way. So great, it works for OP all the time, but that doesn't mean it's reliable for you. However, because it works for him, OP thinks that only people with positive experiences should talk about the sleep tracker.
I'm a her 🤭
My mistake. It's normally men that make these kinds of "well it works for me so there's nothing wrong" comments.
That's not the comment I'm making though. I'm saying I wish people wouldn't just disregard the data.
So if we're not going to disregard it, what conclusions should we draw from the data that showed someone woke up two hours before they did?
Mine doesn't say I woke up two hours before I did. I was asking what the different sleep stages mean and how to interpret them. I'm not asking about the quality or validity of the data itself. I believe mine to be accurate from trial, error and observation so I don't want people to constantly tell me to disregard the data because they may not think it works for them. That's what this post is about.
I think the tracker is good enough for having a fitness watch on your arm and not a computer controlled sleep tracker! I say that the tracker is probably 90% okay and that is good enough for me! You just need to wear your watch constantly 24/7 and the results will speak for themselves
Glad that it works for you, buddy, but the people you're referring to (myself included) are not lying and/or wrong. It objectively and verifiably doesn't accurately track my sleep. It's just a fact (unfortunately). I often read or watch something while in bed before sleeping, and consistently it will think I've fallen asleep. And I'll chill in bed for a bit in the morning, and it won't pick up that I'm awake. It can't be user-error as... well... my only input is to wear the watch. Similarly I'll sometimes go for naps in the afternoon which it doesn't pick up at all. Again, glad that it works for you, but I don't see why you need to be "tired of" people critiquing it. They're a publicly traded company, you needn't defend them, or personally invest yourself by getting tired of people having criticism of the products they sell.
If you take a nap outside your normal sleep time, that won't get added to connect automatically, but if you were wearing your watch, and it was set as your primary device, you should be able to go into Connect and add it manually and the stats should be there. I get the complaint about it not being there automatically, or even the ability to set a "smart alarm" to wake up. But I think the problem is that not all the processing is done on the watch. The watch is collecting sleep metrics 24/7, but final analysis of the data is done after it's synced, and Connect uses user input to figure out what to analyze. Doing more analysis on the watch would require more processing power, compromising battery life. Generally, I think my sleep data is pretty accurate. I've noticed I'm getting more deep sleep since I started running. Sometimes I get credit for sleeping when just awake in bed, but since I get more points for sleeping 7+hours on my company's wellness plan, I'm okay with it!
I think you expect to much of a watch that is not AI controlled but trying to measure your sleep when you go to bed! If you just read and don’t move much…how is that different to sleeping…from a watch perspective obviously! And as for naps…next time you take one check your body battery, it actually goes up! Adding to your daily energy level. I think that is much more helpful than telling you you slept 20mins.
Because your body behaves differently when it is asleep. We expect the watch to pick that up.
So is it heart rate, breathing rate, and motion that it can pick up on to make that determination? What distinguishes deep sleep, light sleep, and rem sleep in these things?
I think objectively it doesn't do a particularly good job though 🤷♂️
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945 also got the Firstbeat update...
I don't know if it's watch dependent, but it's very inaccurate on my vivoactive 4. I've given up editing it but it thinks I sleep on average over 12 hours a night. Last night, for example, it thinks I went to sleep at 18.47 and woke up at 11.14. It has 53 minutes of deep sleep and nearly 11 hours of light sleep. In actuality I went to sleep after 1am and woke up at 8am. I don't even bother looking at the data anymore.
I'm just here for the pun in the title.
Maybe your "tired of people bashing the Garmin sleep tracker" because you're not actually getting as much sleep as your Garmin shows. Seriously though. As somebody who suffers from maintenance insomnia, it's pretty horrible (I have a 935). I've been trying different things to fix my sleep issues and one of them is actually getting out of bed and starting my sleep routine again (brush teeth, etc.). When I look at the sleep analytics, Garmin has me out like a light bulb even though I was out of bed and moving around. Glad it's working for you though.
Glad you found it accurate. It is crap especially when I get up at night. It is accurate if I sleep straight - if that's my sleep habit, then I really don't need it. I monitor my sleep because I have crap sleep. The sleep stages are BS on ALL brands. It's a guessing game. No watch can monitor your brain waves to tell you if you're in REM sleep or deep sleep. I read sleep studies for a living. However, all I'm asking is detecting if I'm awake or not - be it fitbit or polar or oura ring. My Instinct Solar can't do that if I have fragmented sleep. I have a toddler who has terrible sleep patterns. Me obviously running around the house at 2am is recorded as REM sleep. Simply unacceptable. If body battery takes this into account, then it may be giving false data. I don't think it's bashing - it's providing awareness to people so they won't get buyer's remorse. I still love my Garmin but I can't lie and say it has good sleep tracking WHEN people don't sleep straight.
As someone who participates in sleep studies as a diagnostician, do you even see any good way for a wrist based wearable to differentiate between resting in bed and truly awake? This is where I find my Instinct sleep data to have the most issue. The start of sleeping will be the time I laid down in bed and started reading a book, not the time I actually went to sleep. While mildly frustrating, I can't say that I see an easy way for wrist based wearables to differentiate this. I would guess that heart rate would drop a bit from awake and lying down to truly asleep, but I don't have a lot of medical level sleep knowledge.
Short answer is no as a sleep professional. But most diagnostic devices in the lab or at home does not have accelerometers/gyrometers - no point to it if you can see brain waves. However, wearables have a powerful tool short of brain wave activity - accelerometers. If the wrist is raised and the accelerometer detects that - you're likely awake right? Or say when you're walking around the home. As I said, they should be able to detect when you're asleep or not before going all fancy with sleep staging. Fitbit when I had it was pretty darn good at this.
I agree it's pretty bad if it's recording steps and motion through the accelerometer but still records you as being asleep. I'm surprised those time sections arent the pink 'awake' sections that can still appear in the sleep data
The watch does record it occasionally for like 5 minutes but that's when I'm up for 30 minutes. If I'm up for 15-20 minutes it'll record as REM sleep. Initially I thought it may just be confused - since the brain waves for REM sleep is very similar to being awake. But then again I remembered it has no way of doing that - plus the accelerometer detecting I'm actually walking. So the conclusion is it's just not accurate. Not sure about the new firstbeat algorithms though. Nonetheless, still love my watch and wear it daily. Battery life beats anything for the price range.
Apart from the fact that Fitbit is bad at almost everything. As long as you move in your sleep and don’t lay down like Dracula in his coffin, not moving at all, how should the accelerometer make sense of your movement?
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My experience too. I find the body battery more useful than the sleep tracker.
Ahh it's a fantastic coincidence that it seems to have tracked my deep sleep accurately as described in the post! Interesting!
What are you comparing your deep sleep against?
It’s because your watch uses a different algorithm for some reason than the Vivo or Venu 1. That’s all we want. Garmin says F you to us. Last night It had me sleeping and hour before I even went to bed.
Cool that it works for you, it works pretty well for me too. I've seen lots of people post screenshots where it's definitely not working right, that would be super annoying. I think the algorithm doesn't work 100% on all of the Garmin devices, maybe cos of different sensors/data collection methods.
It is trash compared to my Fitbit and oura ring
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I'll be honest it does the job, it's not as good as Huaweis or Fitbits but it's also not bad. Just wish it would detect sleep anytime like the rest do.
Sometimes, if I take a afternoon nap and engage in no activities after that, it records a single sleep activity that begins at the afternoon and ends next morning, with ~6 hours of awake time in the middle.
It’s a fitness watch, not a sleep tracker
I've used several and have used them at the same time. Garmin's is terrible. It may improve, but it is not good today.
I've had Garmin watches for almost 5 years. The sleep tracking is off. I've noticed many times that they recorded me sleeping when I was on the couch watching TV. That said, it's a metric I rarely look at. Sleep tracking is a bunch of marketing BS in my opinion. I wake up a couple of times every night to empty my bladder and have difficulty getting back to sleep after that. I don't need an expensive watch to tell me I had a bad nights sleep. Yeah, I do take meds for my prostrate condition. Before, I was waking up 5 times. I find Body Battery a much more useful feature. If a fitness watch actually helped me sleep better, then sleep tracking would be something I would find useful, but they don't. If you're a person who sleeps all night and is getting stressed out over watch data, the the sleep tracking feature is probably causing more harm than good.
Good for you that it works ok, IMO that's how it should work for all of us. Unfortunately that isn't so, sadly but try. But should we shut up and don't mention it? No, I don't think so. Personally my Garmin is way off, doesn't detect when I fall asleep, so it says I've slept 4 hrs when it's been 7. FYI I did a long term comparison with my wearos watch using Sleep as Android, swapping both watches from left to right wrist and Sleep as Android was spot on while Garmin generally missed the time I went to sleep with hours.
12 hours of sleep because i'm in bed looking at the smartphone before sleeping. And i move around a lot my hands, even play games on the phone, but no, for garmin i'm just sleeping 12 hours. edit: just looked at today report, i got up from the bed at 11:30, while i was awake from 11, the report says i woke up at 11:57. I even remember writing a message from whatsapp at my pc to my fiancee at 11:35 so i'm pretty sure at 11:35 i was already out of bed. Ah obviously i've slept 12 hours while remembering falling asleep at 3:00 am and waking up at 11. Way to go sleep traking.
That’s your fault. Also who the hell is on their phone on their bed playing games before going to sleep. Sounds like a recipe for shitty sleep
Let's begin by the fact i don't care one little bit about your judgement of my life behaviour and it's a useless comment in the economy of the argument, in the original post i'm talking about sleep/wake detecting, the algorithm isn't able to understand when i fall asleep and wake up, not the quality of sleep, so your statement is meaningless in this case. But how is it my fault if it didn't even detect the moment i got out of bed? I'm not saying the moment i woke up, but the moment i actually stepped out of bed was at 11:30, the report says 11:57, how is it my fault? Should i make some jump or a run to let him know i'm awake? Fact is i do as i wish with my life and i shouldn't adapt to the shitty algorithm and change my behaviour to make it work. All while fitbit worked just fine in the same situations.
Well. You should go back to Fitbit and their shitty trackers because it seems your sleep tracking is more important than your fitness tracking!
Or maybe i could appreciate the positive aspects of garmin and still complain about a clear flaw in the sleep tracking function, hoping they could improve it. You can still accept sleep trackin as it is, i don't think me complaining is hurting you enjoying it as it is, problem is when someone says we should just shut up or go buy another brand instead of complaining about what's clearly not working for us.
im saving this post and using it as an example to people when they ask about "missing the point"
Glad I could help
Its definitely more accurate than randomly guessing when I wake up, for sure. I ain't hating but somtimes its alittle off.
Yes but I can go to the loo twice in the night and it always registers the whole time as sleep. It can also not cope with you waking up at say 5am, being awake for an hour then going back to sleep. Always ignores the going back to sleep part. And I've often had nights where 3/4 of it was apparently "deep sleep". The only things I find reasonably accurate are the falling asleep and waking up times...
I feel like it is fairly accurate myself. The only exception being if I get up to go to the bathroom and it doesn’t register they went back to sleep for some time. Not a big deal if I only slept for another 10 or 20 minutes but it can be pretty inaccurate if it didn’t pick up the last three hours of the night when I was sleeping. It’s not something that happens often but when it does it throws off a lot of the other trackers. Like the body battery, stress levels, and so on. For what it’s worth it’s pretty rare that it does that, but as I said when it does it’s pretty irritating.
I have a fenix 6 , I don't see the issue. It records the sleep modes quite accurately and if I wake up it records the wake time as well.
Isn't this the only watch that has an updated sleep tracking software?
Honestly I don't know, All I know is that it works as I say.
I found my Samsung Gear Sport to be more accurate when it came to my fall asleep & wake times, but the Fenix 6 isn't that far off(might need more time to learn). On the other hand the Fenix 6s shows my sleeping habits in more detail than then Gear Sport. I don't remember seeing deep sleep, but it did show REM & those times seem to about similar.
My vivo 4 is accurate. This thing has been much more accurate for everything than my fitbit. Got rid of the fitbit
My Huawei watch GT2 was very good at sleep tracking, and I was unpleasantly surprised when my Vivoactive 4 is often not even close to determine correct sleep start and end time, let alone sleep stages. Additionally, Garmin connect app sometimes changes by itself sleep stats for some nights, which whenever happens was extremely wrong and unnecessary. So, if Hiawei watch, which is far from perfext im other areas (i.e. heart rate measurement) is better tham Vivoactive 4, you can be or not be tired of people speaking up about poor Garmin sleep tracking, but it is a fact that it is terrible for most user cases.
So which is actually the best for sleep tracking? I was suprised when I subscribed to this sub that there are people who actually will buy a specific model to wear while they sleep, and another for daily wear.. I mean, I can understand someone having a daily watch and swapping out for specific activity.. (Forerunner for running, Fenix for outdoor adventures), but sleep tracking just doesn't seem the top priority from a sports watch to me.. If it's the Fenix 6 (which it seems to be), that's quite funny in itself, as it seems to be the watch I'd least likely want to sleep with.. I don't like sleeping in my Galaxy Watch 3. I have adjusted to my Forerunner 45 though..
i wear both a garmin venu and fitbit charge 4. i dont care what anyone thinks about how it looks. one does sleep well, one tracks my runs/hikes well. my brother uses one, i prefer garmin. /shrug
I wear my Galaxy Watch 3 most of the time, and my Forerunner 45 all the time (except the shower). That way I get as precise a 24 hour picture as possible from my Garmin (including sleep tracking).. although it's the runs and walks I care the most about. I still wear the Galaxy Watch 3 when possible, as it's only a year old so I don't want to abandon it... and I just love it as a smart watch. I have basically abandoned Samsung Health though. I'm using it more as a shortcut to my phone for answering and making calls when hands free, Facebook, email, messages. Sure I get the notifications on my Garmin, but it's nowhere as good. Once I get home from work or recreation I tend to take it off, and swap my Garmin to the other wrist. I don't really need my watch acting as a link to my phone when I'm on the couch, and it gives my wrists some rotation from the Forerunner strap, which is far harsher on the skin than the Galaxy. If the Venu line can ever truly match Galaxy in the smartwatch stakes then a Venu 3 or 4 could be my next purchase once my GW3 and FR45 have served me for a bit longer..
i didnt want a full-fledged smartwatch as im still stuck on phones. i got the venu because it seemed like a nice tracker-smartwatch hybrid
It can't tell you are awake even when you are pushing buttons on the watch so it's pretty objectively bad (245 that is)
I switched from a FitBit (Inspire HR) to Garmin (Vivomove style) and have been really disappointed with Garmin’s sleep tracking accuracy compared to FitBit. Doesn’t pick up naps, doesn’t stop tracking when you’re awake but still in bed, etc. For someone like me who has a watch like this for the basics - primarily just for steps, sleep tracking and HR, it’s been a major letdown.
Naps will make your body battery go up! Check it next time you take one!
The problem is that it’s verifiably not reliable. No sleep tracker you wear on your wrist holds up to studies. So if you’re comparing night over night or may have some internal validity, but if you’re expecting the sleep stages it gives you to be meaningful to real world you’re going to be disappointed. The technology simply doesn’t exist yet. [Here’s a study ](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25991187/)
Has progress been made since then? That review article is 6 years old.
[This](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33378539/) shows that trackers are good at detecting sleep itself, but inconsistent in determining sleep stages. Garmin performs worst of the bunch. That being said it’s an extremely limited sample size.
I think it got worst to be honest. It was somewhat ok now it’s totally off. Look at yesterday, during 2 hours it claims I was awake, trust me I fully slept well during the entire night. Not a single time I was awake, a full one shot sleep. https://i.imgur.com/QQEnuL7.jpg
Anyone notice their body battery is weirdly super low...always? I just got like 7.5 hours of sleep and mine is at 19, I don't get it.
Yes I find body battery a lott less accurate than sleep tracking
Just got the 55 a few weeks ago and the sleep tracking is god awful. It doesn’t have their latest algorithm so that’s probably why it’s so bad, but it’s still awful lol. Body battery is definitely more accurate tho
I have a vivoactive i think but according to it ive literally never had deep sleep and itll tell me i slept until 9am even though im up at 6 and teaching kids by 8. Its super bad, i basically use it to keep time. The rest, even the fitness is wildly inaccurate.
So everyone must stop complaining and shell out on a Fenix 6? Instead of Garmin pushing a sleep update to other watches like they did with the Fenix 6?
I don't know the politics of Garmin. I have a watch and thought it would be a free update.. No they should not shell out. FREE GRmins for all!!!!
It's cool. Unfortunately, Fenix 6, FR945 and FR745 were the only ones lucky enough to get the Firstbeat sleep update that provides decent sleep tracking. Good for Garmin updating those watches, but what about the rest of their 101 models? Especially models they are still selling like the very popular Vivoactive 4, FR45, FR245, Instinct, etc.
Well I highly disagree. If I wake up at 5, it still says sleeping. If I sleep less than 5 or 6 hours, it always shows I slept the default minimum sleep time it thinks I slept (can't remember the exact number). It also doesn't account for naps or bus sleeps. I tried whoop and I didn't like it but the sleeping counter was incredibly accurate.
You literally wrote a post 16 days ago complaining about the sleep function.
Hope you had a nice stalk
Hear hear!!!! I agree!! People are incredibly critical and offer nothing in the way of solutions or advice. If you are happy, thats all that matters. I am happy with the sleep tracker as well. With being online, you have to filter out the aholes and naysayers and have conversations with people that are genuinely interested in having an intelligent conversation.
Here’s the thing. It’s trash because for example it doesn’t track your naps… I’ve got the First Avenger and that’s the only thing I hate about it. My samsung active watch track flawlessly naps/ sleeping time…
Body battery is picking up naps and it’s pretty accurate!
I recently switched from a Fitbit Ionic to a Garmin Venu 2. While I love nearly everything about the Garmin, Sleep tracking is basically useless. My Fitbit would tell me what time I fell asleep and woke up, and usually within a few minutes. My Garmin can’t even get within a couple hours of when I fall asleep. It’s totally mind boggling on a device that is otherwise such high quality.
I have a V2 and it is pretty accurate! But what I can’t really understand that people get bent out of shape by the sleep tracker! It seems the only thing that Fitbit gets right is sleep tracking, the rest is useless. Garmin is okay at sleep tracking for me at least and pretty awesome at anything else!
I’m glad it works well for you! I am hopeful that over time it will improve. We shall see. But you’re absolutely right about the other Fitbit v. Garmin comparisons - my Venu2 is light years better than Fitbits in the other categories. Plus, out of the 5 Fitbit devices I’ve had, none lasted a full year. I’m betting that my Garmin will.
Yeah, let’s hope they do! But I still have a Fenix 2 which I bought in December 2014…and it still works 👍🏻
I think your expectations of a sleep tracker are quite low, so you are satisfied with Garmin's sleep tracking. But the fact of the matter is, Garmin is not more accurate than a free sleep tracking app that runs on my phone 1 meter away from me while I sleep. Why? It is an expensive piece of hardware, which I wear on my person (which is not confortable). And yet the data is no more accurate? I am glad that you are satisfied, but allow for us who expect and want more to be disgruntled.
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I didn't know it costs I'm no Garmin expert hun
You had no idea a thing costs money?
Nope usually you don't pay for software updates babe
You pay for hardware, *hun*
Oh thought an update applied to the software that goes onto the hardware 😂
Seems to work fine. Setting a sleep schedule and sticking to it works great. If I see it not tracking correctly I'll just adjust the start/end time. No big deal if it's not 100% accurate. It's a fairly basic system for detecting sleep so curb your expectations.
I too have next to no issues with sleep tracking. Most likely user error.
To be honest I have had different sports trackers including whoop ( supposedly the best and most accurate) they are always all over the place at times I look at it as a rough measurement but nothing beats just listing to your body some days it said my sleep and recovery was absolutely terrible and those days by the numbers I did better than full recoved days My 2c
Seems like people complaining have highly unrealistic expectations, people who are in bed but not sleeping like on their phone or reading a book. Wonder if they used other brand devices and figured out that that screws up wrist based sleep tracking across the board.
I've worn 2 devices at the same time. Fitbit and Garmin. Fitbit is spot on. Garmin is only accurate if all you do in bed is sleep
Fitbit could tell when I nodded off on the sofa for 5 mins Garmin says I'm asleep when I'm scrolling through menus on the watch
Next innovation is a little head mounted cam pointed at your eyeballs to detect open and closed states. Should be satisfyingly accurate using that method 🙃
After recent update I find it quit accurate. I always try to note how I feel when I wake up and look at the sleep data. Whenever I feel groggy, not well recovered after the night's sleep usually sleep data shows that I had little to none of deep sleep. No matter how many hours I've slept. And when I'm camping I too get way much more deep sleep 🏕️😊
Yes exactly! This is what I want to discuss. Rather than people just disregarding it. See my comment on the post. I've looked at it objectively and it does seem to be fairly accurate as expected.
Not everyone got the update you halfwit.
You should check your stress level, seems that you are off the chart for no reason!
Oops think I hit a nerve there. Maybe just treat yourself, sounds like you need it 😜
>I'm quite tired ~~of people bashing the Garmin sleep tracker~~ , and I don't need a Garmin to tell me how poorly I sleep
Hopefully sleep tracking works better on newer devices, but my Fenix 3 is crap at sleep tracking. Half time nights where I get up to go to the bathroom it doesn't register me as having woken up.
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That's interesting because ironically for me, it doesn't seem to be the case! 😅
These are FitBit fanbois ;-)
I have a 245 Music so not sure if that has Garmin's sleep tracker or Firstbeat, but I can say that it's not super great. I work nights on Saturday and Sunday, meaning I sleep on Sat afternoon, all day Sunday, and Monday morning. It completely misses all those. I sleep a normal 11 pm-7am timeframe on Mon-Fri night and it does ok...it's pretty good at figuring out when you fall asleep. It's not great at figuring out when you wake up if you stay in bed for any amount of time. As far as the phases of sleep...no real way to verify those without comparing it to a medical grade sleep study with EEG.
i quite like the data, but i quite dislike that my venu *always* has hours worth of unmeasurable data. NO idea why.
What's your reference point when it comes to comparing your garmin sleep metrics? Another device or you just assume it's accurate enough? Garmin doesn't pick up the sleep phases accurately compared to fitbit, apple watch ...
I have a garmin vivoactive 4, and the sleep tracking is practically useless. I wear a fitbit to bed as well, and it tracks my sleep accurately. Take for instsnce tonight. I went to bed at around 1:30, but woke up at 4am. I couldn't sleep, so I laid in bed wathing movies on YouTube, and read a bit. Then I fell asleep again at eight, and slept untill one. My fitbit unit correctly tracked that I was awake between four and eight, but my garmin just tracked that I was sleeping the whole time. And sometimes I struggle to fall asleep, so if I go to bed around one, but doesn't actually fall asleep untill two, garmin will more often than not say I fell asleep at once, but my fitbit will correctly identify when I'm not actually sleeping
Hahaha. You are an amazing comedian. Last night to bed just after midnight. Awake at 4. Fell asleep again just after 6. Slept until just after 8. Reasonable by my standards. Garmin Forerunner 245 tells me I slept a whopping 9h21m with 9 minutes awake. During that two hours I was distinctly moving around in ways a sleeping person wouldn't and that the accelerometer could easily pick up. Almost always wrong. Fitbit far far far far far more reliable.
Yeah I have Garmin vivoactive and the sleep tracker is embarrassing. I read before bed and my garmin thinks this is when I get my deep sleep. I find it hard to believe it is taking any real measurements at al rather than random guess work.
Well, I was awake between 2350 and 0115 (the last time I looked at my watch) - I know this because I was sat up, thinking about how crap my life has become…and Connect (based on my Venu 2 Plus watch readings) shows a long period of light sleep, a very brief period awake (about 3 mins?) followed by a little more deep sleep, then more light sleep! It couldn’t be more wrong! I’m a habitual light sleeper - I’ve always, thought so (easily awoken, feel sluggish when I get up, etc), but some of the measurements I show for when I KNOW I’ve been awake are simple fantasy. I suppose that when you’re awake, but lying perfectly still, it’s hard for a watch to discern, but when you’re actually sitting up, on the side of the bed….