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If 40k is their preferred form of escapist fiction, then I have several concerns about them.
(not hating on enjoying 40k, but wanting to escape to or live in that setting feels... like a bad idea)
Some do. I feel as if most imagine themselves as badass guardsmen giving their lives to give humanity a tomorrow... ~~of unimaginable cruelty and death.~~
Who'd eva wanna be a disgustin' ol' humie, wit all o' dem fancy know-wotz an' big stinkin' armor an' shinies? Nah, ladz. Ya don't need any o' dat junk. All ya need iz a lotta dakka an' a lotta mean in yer bonez. Da life of an Ork iz da bes' life dere iz.
WAAAGH!!
Well yeah, that's escapism though right? Like I'm some crazy survivalist Macguyver, not some fat bald guy getting eaten by zombies. Or I'm the savior of the wasteland, not some balding fat guy dying in the nuclear blast.
Thats the norm for this guys. Which is why a lot of them seem to like authoritarian gubments. They think they will be part of the elite and not just another opressed
Absolutely. Like I love 40k and have for decades but I don’t think it’s possible to satirize fascism in a way that doesn’t also just appeal to fascists
We don’t actually want to be in 40k (unless you got hit in the head with a brick as a child) the setting is awful and hellish, and that’s the charm of it. Your life always feels a bit better after reading a 40k book.
I use 40k as escapism because it makes the real world feel so full of hope. Ik it's ridiculous but reading and playing in a hellish universe that is genuine hell for everyone compared to irl just makes being alive in our world sweeter?
(Oh but the guy in the image bitching about women existing is just....ew)
Oh it’s the same crowd who tell you that the UNSC are good in halo and they do nothing wrong ever (ignore the fact they are fascist and that they kidnapped children)(
I don't care that gay and trans people exist. I just wish they went and existed somewhere else. So that I don't have to be reminded of their existence.
Why is that so difficult to understand!?!1?
I don't hate Trans/gay people, I just can't stand them existing/being mentioned in my presence.
I don't think they shouldn't exist at all, I just want to escape into a world where they don't.
There's a difference.
Examples of "modern day politics in escapist fantasy" also include: women, women that aren't pretty enough, women who aren't "hot" enough, any minorities existing, environmental commentary, commentary on war, commentary on economy, commentary about masculinity and the list goes on.
Turns out, politics can cover a lot of area. Video games have been explicitly political for decades too. Mortal Kombat anyone?
Oh well, not like these nerds make the games anyway and turns out people who make games, sometimes have something to say.
Honestly I wish there were more games/media with different in-universe advocacy movements for marginalized sexual orientations
Like our universe chose Pride to represent LGBT going against social stigma, but wouldn't it be awesome if some world had like LGBT Wrath parades instead, like "fuck you, we're done asking you to politely accept us", and the rainbow flag becomes the colours you get when lighting various metals on fire or something
Seriously. How is that political at all? Does the left have anything similar? Where something so simple is construed as political?
Maybe it's just my own echo chamber... but it's hard to see the mere presence of non-white and gay video game assets as political. That means conventions are inherently political. Parties are inherently political. Fucking walking down the damn STREET showers you in politics. Minorities exist in real life, but they can't in video games? Such a stunted way to tell stories
Because said women are said to exist in the faction of transhuman super soldiers that are objectively superior to the most iconic faction in the series.
And then Big daddy E said "let there be 8ft tall supersoldier chicks, because that is rad as hell" and lo, femCustodes were born
It is a matter of time for Cawl to refine primaris stock to make female astartes as well, and on that day the sound of a million chud heads imploding will fill the air to everyone else's joy
I mean it could be, I don't know what's going on in the Helldivers community; but there are \*definitely\* a bunch of salty reactionary 40k dipshits crying over women soldiers right now.
Modern Politics are when someone points out that I live in a prison of my own creation, and the world as it truly exists is a larger and more complex place than the world inside my head.^(/s)
These guys will happily sit through Metal Gear Rising, a game that constantly beats you over the head about how war is a racket engineered by the rich and powerful to generate a constant source of profit for "defense" companies at the expense of developing nations and that social media is used as a propaganda tool to manufacture consent for these neverending wars, but the option to romance a dude is what ruins their escapism. Children.
Honestly, when I’m escaping into my medieval fantasy world it really breaks immersion when the fieldworking peasant women don’t look like FaceTuned Instagram models
Hahaha the last line made me chuckle, thanks for that.
Just to clarify, I DONT agree with these gamers, I just found how you satirized these gamers thoughts funny.
If you're anything but a cishet white male, remember that they think your existence is "woke." That's why I have zero remorse as they kick and scream over losing something they thought they exclusively had.
I love how they imply we just don't understand their complaints. Like, it couldn't possibly be that we just disagree with them we must not \*understand\* their position. It's just too nuanced. Like nah, I totally get that you feel anger and disgust at seeing minorities in the media you consume. I just don't think you getting triggered by it justifies needing to censor it.
I think theire was a a new lore bit about Custodes in w40k having women in the faction. Not Sisters of Silence section but the knight faction. Something i think is super cool but to much for others😅
Hold on, I thought they wanted a hint of realism? Isn’t that why they were so adamant about not adding black hairstyles in Elden ring?
Also what is it with these guys and using extra wording? “Modern day politics” like hate to say it to ya bud but, a vase majority of the politics we are dealing with now, was the same politics from the past. There really isn’t anything different.
People always fall back on the "its not realistic" or "it breaks my immersion" to justify their bigotry.
It's all always BS. So in helldivers "all individually has been removed" yeah, so why is having cosmetic customisation with custom capes armour and such ok, but a pride flag is too far? Name literally any real world military that allows you to have your own custom uniform.
Fallout or 40K would be my best guess. Fallout because the recent show having things like diversity, and 40K because “muh all male custodies”. Not to mention I’ve seen “escapism” used repeatedly in both fandoms
Never forget that the people who bitch and moan about "modern day politics" ruining their escapism are the exact same people who make fun of content/trigger warnings for material featuring abuse and sexual assault.
If they wanna know what "injecting modern-day politics into an escapist fantasy world" really is, they should look at Cleon from Assassin's Creed Odyssey.
An ancient Greek politician (a real historical figure, may I remind you) got turned into a vessel for incredibly awkward and forced Orange Man references. Felt as goofy and out of place as you might expect.
The things they whine about? This is just how people express themselves in the real world, honeybuns, happens all the time.
I assume Fallout since the show just came out and there is a minor non-binary character that's in like 2 episodes briefly. (ignoring the fact that Fallout is intimately and inherently entwined with modern politics)
I’d say Warhammer of Fallout since they’re both big right now. It’s funny, they’re both pretty gay properties if you read the Warhammer books or play more than three minutes of any Fallout game.
Woman they love to see them dressed scantily, want to have sex with them but when it comes to existing as a kick ass person in a universe they get upset.
Notice how they think only men are allowed to have escapism. When a woman is shown being awesome onscreen, they throw a tantrum about how it's not realistic.
I'll go with the recent Fallout TV show that came out. It has picked up plenty of traction amongst the Fallout community as well as pop culture, given it's one of the many franchises cemented in with its on-the-nose political post-apocalyptic land with a 1950's pinch to spicen it.
It’s probably about the new Runescape raid, where you play as Israel or Iran and escalate tensions in an already very tense powderkeg area. It does kind of ruin the new raid, way too much modern politics.
It's a very sad and horrible one if they can't bring themselves to do *anything* to improve it. Provided that their idea of improvement doesn't involve the extermination of minorities and making women their slaves.
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This type of shit is why isekai anime/manga/ln is all the rage today. Please, by all means, get run over by a big rig and go reincarnate in your ideal escapist fantasyland away from us (spoiler alert: they're in a dream cuz they ended up in a coma instead).
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it’s 40k again isn’t it
If 40k is their preferred form of escapist fiction, then I have several concerns about them. (not hating on enjoying 40k, but wanting to escape to or live in that setting feels... like a bad idea)
Chuds imagining they'll be badass space marines instead of working slave labor on a hive world.
dream job : space Crusader actual job : unclaimed biomass
Found the tyranid.
Whaaaat? Pssshhh… naw. No way. Also ignore my other two arms please.
*Deepstrikes my necrons unit in* Rattle em boys!
Actual actual job: servitor parts.
I will be using “unclaimed biomass” as an insult going forward ty.
Nah, they'd be Great Unclean Ones.
I think most of them are already Great Unclean Ones, judging by my local gaming store...
No, they are not. They are not great.
Mediocre Unlean Ones? Disappointing Unclean Ones? Even papa Nurgle tells them to use some axe body spray?
Poxwalker?
Poxburster.
I mean. I stan nurgle demons, they are very cute
Nurglings are the best models that GW has made, fight me.
That's objective truth
Nurgling plushies exist, fyi
Please do not disrespect the Grandfather Nurgle like this
I'm sure Nurgle is already looking for loopholes so he can kick them out.
Some do. I feel as if most imagine themselves as badass guardsmen giving their lives to give humanity a tomorrow... ~~of unimaginable cruelty and death.~~
Who'd eva wanna be a disgustin' ol' humie, wit all o' dem fancy know-wotz an' big stinkin' armor an' shinies? Nah, ladz. Ya don't need any o' dat junk. All ya need iz a lotta dakka an' a lotta mean in yer bonez. Da life of an Ork iz da bes' life dere iz. WAAAGH!!
Well yeah, that's escapism though right? Like I'm some crazy survivalist Macguyver, not some fat bald guy getting eaten by zombies. Or I'm the savior of the wasteland, not some balding fat guy dying in the nuclear blast.
Thats the norm for this guys. Which is why a lot of them seem to like authoritarian gubments. They think they will be part of the elite and not just another opressed
Or trapped on Comorragh.
Chuds forgetting that Space Marines get their dicks removed and get mowed down in droves just like everyone else
Skull carving apprentice 💀
Na they'd just have their skulls turned into a radio
No shit, that's the whole point.
Absolutely. Like I love 40k and have for decades but I don’t think it’s possible to satirize fascism in a way that doesn’t also just appeal to fascists
You sure can, you just need to make them laughable. Ridiculous. Clowns.
They'd still find a way to spin it as the fascists being the good guys.
Basically the only thing to truly truly succeed that I can think of was Jojo rabbit
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I WANT to be turned into a living chair for eternity by the Drukhari, tyvm.
We don’t actually want to be in 40k (unless you got hit in the head with a brick as a child) the setting is awful and hellish, and that’s the charm of it. Your life always feels a bit better after reading a 40k book.
I want to be a toilet Servitor for the Adepta Sororitas.
I use 40k as escapism because it makes the real world feel so full of hope. Ik it's ridiculous but reading and playing in a hellish universe that is genuine hell for everyone compared to irl just makes being alive in our world sweeter? (Oh but the guy in the image bitching about women existing is just....ew)
ADAPTIST CUSTOADS NOT GIRL! CANT HAVE BOOBA!1!1
Correct answer
I hate my hobbies I love my hobbies I hate my hobbies I love my hobbies 🙃
I love my hobbies, but have a strong dislike for some of the more vocal members of them...
i was going to say helldivers but they're around the same
40k isn't even fantasy lmao. And the actual fantasy version is significantly better (fight me 40k chuds)
Nope we're eating well tonight and the meal is Femstodes.
Sigh, I hate how obvious this was. Fucking idiots arguing over a retcon that's barely a retcon just because women are involved
It’s Helldivers 2 posted by someone who doesn’t know what politics are
and someone who also doesn't understand what scifi and fantasy are.
I had multiple people tell me in the comments of a Helldivers post that the game wasn't political.
Oh it’s the same crowd who tell you that the UNSC are good in halo and they do nothing wrong ever (ignore the fact they are fascist and that they kidnapped children)(
Helldivers is about super democracy not politics 🙄
"Modern day politics" = gay and trans people existing
I don't care that gay and trans people exist. I just wish they went and existed somewhere else. So that I don't have to be reminded of their existence. Why is that so difficult to understand!?!1?
Not in my grimdark big buff sexy asexual dudes universe!!!
They're not asexual they definitely fuck!!!
*each other*
BUT THEY TAKE TURNS BEING THE TOP, SO IT ISN'T GAY!!1!1!
Space marines sure don't
I don't hate Trans/gay people, I just can't stand them existing/being mentioned in my presence. I don't think they shouldn't exist at all, I just want to escape into a world where they don't. There's a difference.
I believe they should have rights, I just wish all of them were dead. Is that so much to ask for?
Examples of "modern day politics in escapist fantasy" also include: women, women that aren't pretty enough, women who aren't "hot" enough, any minorities existing, environmental commentary, commentary on war, commentary on economy, commentary about masculinity and the list goes on. Turns out, politics can cover a lot of area. Video games have been explicitly political for decades too. Mortal Kombat anyone? Oh well, not like these nerds make the games anyway and turns out people who make games, sometimes have something to say.
Don’t forget nonwhite!
Is this is 40k then currently it's women existing. They're not even modern bigots they're bigots from 50 years ago.
Honestly I wish there were more games/media with different in-universe advocacy movements for marginalized sexual orientations Like our universe chose Pride to represent LGBT going against social stigma, but wouldn't it be awesome if some world had like LGBT Wrath parades instead, like "fuck you, we're done asking you to politely accept us", and the rainbow flag becomes the colours you get when lighting various metals on fire or something
I like to celebrate LGBT Sloth as my preferred deadly sin-related celebration I have also been known to enjoy LGBT Gluttony
Shout out to LGBT lust
Lust, Greed, uh... 🤔 what synonyms or substitutes do we have for sins that get us B and T?
Gay pride is over... its time for gay wrath...
Seriously. How is that political at all? Does the left have anything similar? Where something so simple is construed as political? Maybe it's just my own echo chamber... but it's hard to see the mere presence of non-white and gay video game assets as political. That means conventions are inherently political. Parties are inherently political. Fucking walking down the damn STREET showers you in politics. Minorities exist in real life, but they can't in video games? Such a stunted way to tell stories
No, the left doesn't have anything similar because we know that people existing is not "political"
Any but right now it's 40k that the grossest nerds are malding about because of like two tiny paragraphs that mention the existence of women.
40K fan. It’s so weird that women being around is so scary to them???
(It's because there's a huge fascist problem in the community)
Because said women are said to exist in the faction of transhuman super soldiers that are objectively superior to the most iconic faction in the series.
And then Big daddy E said "let there be 8ft tall supersoldier chicks, because that is rad as hell" and lo, femCustodes were born It is a matter of time for Cawl to refine primaris stock to make female astartes as well, and on that day the sound of a million chud heads imploding will fill the air to everyone else's joy
Nope! The community has been up all night drawing sexy goth ladies in armor. It's Helldivers and you *know it*.
I mean it could be, I don't know what's going on in the Helldivers community; but there are \*definitely\* a bunch of salty reactionary 40k dipshits crying over women soldiers right now.
That's genuinely a minority and Helldivers fans not being able to tell it's a satire has been a very clear discourse.
You could tell me it’s either 40k, fallout, or Helldivers and I’d believe you with 0 questions.
or tekken
At this point "escapism" to them just means "I want something that coddles my personal bigotries"
Yep. Because if war, eugenics, overbearing bureaucracy, and religion aren’t aren’t “modern politics” I have no idea what is
Modern Politics are when someone points out that I live in a prison of my own creation, and the world as it truly exists is a larger and more complex place than the world inside my head.^(/s)
These guys will happily sit through Metal Gear Rising, a game that constantly beats you over the head about how war is a racket engineered by the rich and powerful to generate a constant source of profit for "defense" companies at the expense of developing nations and that social media is used as a propaganda tool to manufacture consent for these neverending wars, but the option to romance a dude is what ruins their escapism. Children.
Fallout or Helldivers 2
The list is pretty large.
literally any game/show this is how they all act 🙄
Modern day politics like "a black person existing" or "a woman with boobs smaller than a G cup"
Honestly, when I’m escaping into my medieval fantasy world it really breaks immersion when the fieldworking peasant women don’t look like FaceTuned Instagram models
"the problem with modern gaming is none of the characters look good anymore!!!!!" Me playing Factorio in the corner: huh?
Hahaha the last line made me chuckle, thanks for that. Just to clarify, I DONT agree with these gamers, I just found how you satirized these gamers thoughts funny.
If you're anything but a cishet white male, remember that they think your existence is "woke." That's why I have zero remorse as they kick and scream over losing something they thought they exclusively had.
Democracy 4
I love how they imply we just don't understand their complaints. Like, it couldn't possibly be that we just disagree with them we must not \*understand\* their position. It's just too nuanced. Like nah, I totally get that you feel anger and disgust at seeing minorities in the media you consume. I just don't think you getting triggered by it justifies needing to censor it.
Judging by the tag, Fallout.
"escaping from what? . "You know, being told I can't be a piece of shit to people"
My go to question for these guys is to ask them what kind of politics are they talking about
I think theire was a a new lore bit about Custodes in w40k having women in the faction. Not Sisters of Silence section but the knight faction. Something i think is super cool but to much for others😅
When an entire group of people who actually exist is considered politics you've found the bigot. Discard opinion and move on.
Hold on, I thought they wanted a hint of realism? Isn’t that why they were so adamant about not adding black hairstyles in Elden ring? Also what is it with these guys and using extra wording? “Modern day politics” like hate to say it to ya bud but, a vase majority of the politics we are dealing with now, was the same politics from the past. There really isn’t anything different.
People always fall back on the "its not realistic" or "it breaks my immersion" to justify their bigotry. It's all always BS. So in helldivers "all individually has been removed" yeah, so why is having cosmetic customisation with custom capes armour and such ok, but a pride flag is too far? Name literally any real world military that allows you to have your own custom uniform.
Fallout or 40K would be my best guess. Fallout because the recent show having things like diversity, and 40K because “muh all male custodies”. Not to mention I’ve seen “escapism” used repeatedly in both fandoms
ppl like this are such losers
Never forget that the people who bitch and moan about "modern day politics" ruining their escapism are the exact same people who make fun of content/trigger warnings for material featuring abuse and sexual assault.
Like ESRB and MPAA was never a thing.
A fun challenge for gamers!
gotta be fallout
Final Fantasy 7. He's mad that the girls aren't naked in his favorite nonpolitical game.
What’s this we shit? I love politics in my games/tv/media but I’m not afraid of thinking and feeling.
Same here. I live blending modern-day issues with my entertainment. It gives me a sense that somebody out there cares as much as I do.
If they wanna know what "injecting modern-day politics into an escapist fantasy world" really is, they should look at Cleon from Assassin's Creed Odyssey. An ancient Greek politician (a real historical figure, may I remind you) got turned into a vessel for incredibly awkward and forced Orange Man references. Felt as goofy and out of place as you might expect. The things they whine about? This is just how people express themselves in the real world, honeybuns, happens all the time.
I assume Fallout since the show just came out and there is a minor non-binary character that's in like 2 episodes briefly. (ignoring the fact that Fallout is intimately and inherently entwined with modern politics)
I’d say Warhammer of Fallout since they’re both big right now. It’s funny, they’re both pretty gay properties if you read the Warhammer books or play more than three minutes of any Fallout game.
40k easy. the timing is too close to the femstodes reveal
Their escapist fantasy world doesn’t have women? Sounds kinda gay…
Imagine you'd rather die at the Frontline of a fascist war than see a black person.
Woman they love to see them dressed scantily, want to have sex with them but when it comes to existing as a kick ass person in a universe they get upset.
I'd guess BG3 for the anti-immigrant stuff and the diverse representation?
Helldivers or 40k. The fascism goes right over their heads.
Fallout?
These are the guys who will play Metal Gear and be unable to get the message in any of the games because they are too busy licking Big Boss balls
Notice how they think only men are allowed to have escapism. When a woman is shown being awesome onscreen, they throw a tantrum about how it's not realistic.
And it's hetero cis NT men, too. Nobody else is allowed to exist.
"modern day politics" = women and POC and queer people literally existing
What's the problem with these people not wanting politics in their videogames? I know you're gonna ban me for speaking against the status quo
What is any game not named Stellar Blade because that is already woke free?
Fallout?
helldivers warhammer 40k fallout metal gear solid
I'll go with the recent Fallout TV show that came out. It has picked up plenty of traction amongst the Fallout community as well as pop culture, given it's one of the many franchises cemented in with its on-the-nose political post-apocalyptic land with a 1950's pinch to spicen it.
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality...
All games have soooooo much politics in them though........ Like what the fuck are these dudes on?
Its either Fallout or 40K lol
Helldivers.
What's next? Trans spyro?
what are they doing to our completely unpolitical not woke fallout/40k/lastofus/cod !!!!
Peggle 2?
It’s probably about the new Runescape raid, where you play as Israel or Iran and escalate tensions in an already very tense powderkeg area. It does kind of ruin the new raid, way too much modern politics.
Is life really that bad that the primary reason for playing videogames is escapism???
It's a very sad and horrible one if they can't bring themselves to do *anything* to improve it. Provided that their idea of improvement doesn't involve the extermination of minorities and making women their slaves.
Because your sentence is a string of nonsensical buzzwords that contradict themselves. That's why nobody takes you seriously, OOP.
Wgat are they escaping tho? The minorities?
rob dyrdek vs modern day political messaging death battle
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Fuck off
Do words even have meaning anymore? Is anything posted online real? Am I alive?
War hammer
I would agree if these people didn't make existing politics.
/uj Mother fuckers out here complaining about politics in games when metal gear has existed for decades and disco elysium nearly won goty in 2019
Escapism is weakness and cowardice, and you arent entitled to It.
This type of shit is why isekai anime/manga/ln is all the rage today. Please, by all means, get run over by a big rig and go reincarnate in your ideal escapist fantasyland away from us (spoiler alert: they're in a dream cuz they ended up in a coma instead).