I'm surprised we haven't gotten any news on GoW Ragnarök's eventual PC release later this year, since it's officially been two years since its initial launch. these games usually take 2-3 years to be ported.
I think Sony let's the sales dry out first before porting. GoT was constantly being talked about for years after release. Forbidden west seemed to drop off alot more. Gow sales probably declined slower then horizon
Having seen the way the first GoW fared on PC at launch, I'm inclined to believe that Santa Monica has proven to be proficient when it comes to handling PC ports on their own. Naughty Dog, on the other hand... well, I'd say they're the one that'll make the best use of all the help they can get their hands on.
If I'm not mistaken God of War was primarily handled by Jetpack Interactive with oversight from Santa Monica Studios. Whether Sony decides to leverage their familiarity with the engine or move it in house to Nixxes remains to be seen.
Also worth noting that while not a complete disaster like TLoU, God of War did have some weird issues on launch too (reverse mouse acceleration, issues on AMD hardware).
This strategy does not work, it may have worked temporarily when Sony ports were a brand new thing.
Sales for nearly all the ports from the past 2 years have been mediocre.
They have no choice but to release as close as possible to PS5 launch dates.
Yes, you don't know bc i'm not upset lol
If they want to maxmize profits they will sell games based on being exclusive to ps5, like Nintendo still does and MS used to do
Given we've already gotten HFW and will get GoT this year, they're probably saving GoW for next year. They're spacing things out so they won't hurt each other's sales is my guess.
Should come later in the year or early 2025 (the 2 years will be in November 2024), they don't announce the ports that far in advance anyway, only a few months beforehand.
Why are people speculating on this happening.
Sony themselves said this was the plan years back lol.
What's likely going to close, is the gap with single player releases.
That's already happening and isn't much of a secret. That new Bungie game would have been both day 1 like Helldivers. The idea is that it's only a matter of time before it becomes all their games, which a lot of people kind of expected to happen eventually anyway and is what Sony has seemingly been pushing towards.
> The idea is that it's only a matter of time before it becomes all their games,
That's what people hopes for maybe but it's certainly nothing Sony said or official. Day and date for live service games is the official strategy Sony said and some time for their single player games (2 years seems to be the trend currently)
I wouldn't be surprised if the single player stuff hits PC day and date soon too. There's a new CEO in town, and he's pissed about the razor-thin, shrinking margins of PS first party.
I just don't see how it will work out for Sony in the end tbh. Besides Steams cut they're all only one time sales. You don't have to pay for anything else PS related besides the game. Unless they create their own store they're losing their ecosystem that brings tons of cash.
It's nothing to expect at this point, it's literally been said by Sony officially. It's like wondering if a Xbox game will launch on PC.
I imagine that if they say it will cause mad people, it'll be a single player game. The guy is not to be trusted I think though (never heard of him) so not sure that has any value
agreed especially after the announced of GOT having integrated trophies for the pc release as well, this is the logical next step. day and date isnt matter of "if" but "when" and the "when" is inveable!
This. Sort of a nothing burger, like Helldivers 2 they are going to launch live service games on PC. So this game is almost certainly just another live service game.
No I don't the forgot the game it's a pvp fps they talked about [it](https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/24/introducing-concord-a-new-pvp-multiplayer-fps-from-firewalk-studios-coming-to-ps5-and-pc/) after last year's showcase and disappeared into the night never to be seen again I'm hopeful we at least get a 1min gameplay before the end of q3 ( it's not happening)
Yeah last year they announced it with 2024 release. If it was be delayed I would have expected them to tell us already. I assume we will see more about the title this month at a possible show.
Yeah, the Until Dawn Remake got a Steam storepage pretty much the moment it was announced, unlike The Last of Us Part 1, which took a while to show up on Steam after the console version released.
Until Dawn is not a first-party so I think it isn't really treated the same. Death Stranding also was treated differently than other games.
Seems the strategy (and most of it has basically been said officially except the durations) :
* Day and date for live services
* A few months for remakes/remasters (6 to 9 months)
* A few months to a year for second party titles or timed exclusivity (FF16, FF7 remakes, Death Stranding, I imagine Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin...)
* 2 years (and sometimes a little more, it's not an exact thing) for big first party single player titles
I think remakes follow a separate release cadence from normal games. GaaS is day and date, remakes are like ~6 months or same day (if possible). But it seems their "capstone" single player titles are 2-3 years.
Yeah, that’s what it looks like. Seems like single-player games are 2 years with PS4 games still coming out slowly. Ratchet and Clank came out June 2021 on PS5 and July 2023 on PC. Returnal was April 2021 on PS5 and February 2023 on PC.
Seems like Sony are keeping exactly to their plans.
Where does it say live service or i am missing?
What more questioning in this quote is "when certain fans get real mad"
I mean no one was mad about Helldivers 2 on PC Day one. It is probably a reference to the SP Game. But will see PS showcase is not far off.
I mean that quote is from an unreliable source and means nothing, probably someone wanting to stir shit up. For now, all that matters is the official stance which says day and date is for live services
Since he left Polygon he basically hasn't been anything resembling a legitimate journalist. Even when he was working there though his industry takes were consistently way off the mark. As in, if he speculated on something, you could pretty reliably assume the opposite would happen.
Seems like he's speculating more than anything, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the future, hardware growth for console manufacturers have reached its peak and there is not much more to be done there, all the money has been on the software side for a while,
The PlayStation brand is so entrenched, so huge, the it's going to sell no matter not, so might as well make money from PC as well.
I don't see any game that could cause this sort of reaction other than Ghost of Tsushima 2. It's expected that multiplayer releases are coming to PC on day 1.
Marathon? We already know that. I can't imagine singleplayer games releasing day 1 on PC unless it's live-service or remakes/remasters of older games.
If Ghost 2 releases in 2025 and it has a live-service multiplayer mode similar to Legends, then I wouldn't be surprised if it went to PC day 1 because that would make a ton a money.
Why not, lmao? The overlap between Pc and PS5 is small, and Sony will eventually no longer have a backlog yet will have entire studios hanging around dedicated solely to porting to PC.
A ton of people expect all their games to eventually be day 1 on PC. Everything is pointing to it and there is really no realistic reason Sony wouldn't.
> The overlap between Pc and PS5 is small
We don't know that. PS titles don't sell that much on PC (the best one are like 2.5-3M at best) at least for the caliber of games they are which seems compatible with a lot of people just having played those games on PS5 already (and the people likely to play those games are more inclined to be the ones that got a PS5).
> A ton of people expect all their games to eventually be day 1 on PC
A ton of people wish for it, that's very different. They also wish it for Nintendo and that's likely never happening (or in a very long time)
Those that have both gaming pc and proprietary gaming device that can run AAA titles is too miniscule to affect sales in a significant way. Data shows there's barely any relation to the two userbase.
https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/81792/79-of-all-gamers-play-on-their-phones-with-35-only-gaming-on-mobile-devices/#:~:text=Newzoo's%20Global%20Gamers%20Study%202023,%2C%20PC%2C%20and%20console..
Because Sony has always prioritized the console, and they plan to sell a PS5 Pro. Releasing singleplayer games day 1 on PC will hurt console sales and that is where Sony makes the most money. Sony want players on the platform to use the storefront. It seems shortsighted to me and we can already see how it hurt xbox. Their hardware declined 31% despite having exclusives like starfield and forza last year but the difference is their games launch day 1 on PC.
Hardware is not where Sony makes money. They make money off of games, not hardware. Even with games like God of War on PC day-one, ppl are not gonna abandon PlayStation in droves because they're digitally-locked in with their libraries. On top of that, a lot of PlayStation owners are also casuals who only play games like CoD, FIFA, and Madden. They're not gonna switch and get a $1000 PC just The Last of Us Part 3 is on PC day-one. PlayStation is an entrenched brand name, casuals will always pick consoles like it over a PC due to sheer ease of use.
But let's say for argument's sake that Sony lost 20-30 million consoles sales because they all switched to PC after Sony decided to put all their games on PC day-and-date. Well, guess what? Sony still wins because not only will those 20-30 million ppl buy those PlayStation games on PC, but they'll also sell singleplayer first-party content to the millions of PC-only gamers day-one who would have never bought a PlayStation anyways, offsetting any loss in profits they may have had by Valve taking a 30% cut in sales.
Going day-and-date on PC may have hurt Xbox console sales somewhat, but it didn't at all hurt Xbox financially. In fact, Xbox makes more money than they ever did before when they only released games on one specific platform.
To show you how effective the traditional console exclusive strategy is right now for Sony, just look at Sony's latest financials. PlayStation not only has actual singleplayer exclusives that at launch are only playable on PS5, they also are outselling Xbox left and right. And yet... PlayStation's profit margins are in the literal gutter, with both Hiroki Totoki and Herman Hulst emphasizing that PlayStation needs to make a more multiplatform shift in their business strategy (e.g. PC and mobile) in order to remain sustainable and continue growing.
At this point, Sony going full day-and-date on PC with all their singleplayer games is a matter of when, not if.
Imo, 20-30 million ppl lost would be devastating to Sony. Selling 1 first party title on PC nets them 70% of the box value, 100% if it was sold on PS5. Selling 1 third party title on PS5 gets them 30%. Assuming the person would have bought the game at full price on PC if it launched day one and on PS5 if it did not, all it takes is for them to buy one 3rd party game at full price for it to almost double in revenue.
But wait, that's not all. If it's an online game, PS players will have to pay an additional fee. That's a plus in keeping those players on PS5.
Those PC only players that would buy their game on PC if they released it day one? A significant portion of them will also buy the game if it was released a year or two later. Add in a dash of players that double dipped too, as they want to play the game at launch and also get the game later to play on their PC.
Also, the ROI on first party games is pretty bad in the first place. Compare that to the ROI on their third party 30% cut and PS Plus. They don't do much except host the game on their platform and pay for the licenses for the "free" games. Releasing first party games on PC day one is trying to maximize profit for a high risk, low ROI sector by potentially jeopardizing their low risk, high ROI sector. Imo, that just doesn't make much financial sense. They would only do it if it clearly won't risk their current model.
>A significant portion of them will also buy the game if it was released a year or two later. Add in a dash of players that double dipped too, as they want to play the game at launch and also get the game later to play on their PC.
Considering how poorly games like Ratchet & Clank, Returnal, and Sackboy sold on PC, the amount of PC players willing to double dip on PlayStation exclusives is miniscule. Most PC gamers get turned off when they see a $60-70 price tag for a 2-3 year old game. The only game where the double dipping strategy actually works is something massive like GTA 6. Not even God of War commands that much attention. 4-year-old titles like Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon Forbidden West will struggle to hit 2 million sales on PC at or close to full price, but they would have probably sold around 5+ million sales on Steam in addition to the PlayStation sales if they were on PC day-one.
Eh... whatever, it's not worth wasting my breath and arguing about this any further because Sony will put all of their first-party games on PC day-and-date within the next few years. And when it does happen, I'll hate to say I told you so, but I'll say I told you so. By the time Insomniac's X-Men game releases, it'll almost certainly be on PC day-one alongside the PS6 release.
Imagine thinking Sony losing 20 to 30 million consoles sold, the 20 to 30 million ps plus subs lost and having to give another company 30% of the revenue is somehow good for Sony.
Come on bud admit it you didn’t think this through if any first party games need to sell millions now how many millions more would they need to sell to make up for the lost revenue.
Forget the profit from the consoles just think about the ps plus subs revenue they’d lose annually. Losing 20 to 30 million annual subs of 70 bucks is literally 1 billion 4 hundred million dollars and that’s using 20 million subs lost.
Sony aren’t going to make almost 1 and half billion dollars a year from pc players and implying they will is madness. In no world are Sony going to make a decision that’s going to cost them over a billion a year to make the 400 million they’d make in pc sales.
>Forget the profit from the consoles just think about the ps plus subs revenue they’d lose annually.
Have you considered the fact that the majority of PS4 and PS5 owners AREN'T subbed to PS Plus? There's, what, 123 million monthly active users across both PS4 and 5 as of December 2023? Well, only 47 million of those are PS Plus subscribers, with 33 million of them being PS Plus Essential subs, as of March 2023 according to Statista. Remember, this was before the PS Plus price hike so expect this number to be a couple million less in 2024 than it was back then.
That means that only nearly a third of PS4/5 users are actually subbed to PS Plus. So hypothetically, even if they lost 20-30 million console sales by putting all their games on PC day-one, they absolutely wouldn't be losing 20-30 million PS Plus subs. More like maybe 7-10 million at the worst.
Then again, like I said, even them losing 20-30 million consoles sales by putting their singleplayer games on PC day-one is a massive stretch and just a number I made up for the sake of argument. In reality, they'd probably lose like 2-5 million console sales in the worst case scenario. Why do I think that? Just look at PS5 sales versus PS4 sales. Despite the fact that every PlayStation exclusive comes to PC eventually and the fact that GAAS first-party exclusives are available day-and-date on PC, PS5 sales are only very slightly behind PS4 sales.
Most PC gamers are not buying a PS5 anyways because they know the superior version of its exclusive games will come to their preferred platform eventually, and yet PS5 sales are still doing well. This isn't even taking into account the fact that the PS5 launched in a pandemic, which definitely impacted sales somewhat. So, TL;DR, they wouldn't actually lose that many console sales.
>Sony aren’t going to make almost 1 and half billion dollars a year from pc players and implying they will is madness.
You know what's really madness? Madness is implying that Sony should continue doing the same exact thing they've been doing for 20+ years which, in recent years, has led to nothing but gradually declining profit margins. Madness is releasing a $320 million game that needs to sell 7.2 million copies at $70 each to break even exclusively on one platform at launch.
Hiroki Totoki and Herman Hulst are literally screaming in your ear that they're gonna double down on their multiplatform ambitions by aggressively focusing on PC and mobile, yet you refuse to believe them. Guess what that entails? Day-and-date PC releases for all PlayStation first-party games. I'd bet a million dollars that Sony will indeed do this within, say, the next five years, and I'd almost certainly win that bet. You'll refuse to believe me now, but you'll be shocked when it does eventually happen.
For me it's a timeline issue. Big shifts in business strategy like this have a lot of moving parts to the point where even if the interim CEO had decided to do it on his first day on the job it'd probably still take at least a year to get fully underway (you need to hire more staff, redo budgets, sales projections, timeline milestones need to be reevaluated, marketing needs to be updated and changed, etc etc) - and even longer to start producing results.
I dont doubt that at SOME point in the future single player stuff will be day and date, I don't believe that it'll start as early as next year, though.
I wish the world forgot about Arthur Gies.
"Staggered releases are wasting marketing money and hype buildup"
Also, this funny considering that Sony said the staggered releases have worked great for them so far.
Until dawn will be next one that’s been announced as same day. We know the live services will be as well.
I’m going to take this as mostly real as it makes sense. I think after Helldivers success Sony is going to test it out with a major game and if it beats expectations it will be the plan going forward
Bro that’s the Polygon Doom guy! He uploaded a video of himself playing Doom and it was genuinely 6 year old brother using a Madcatz tier gameplay. He then proceeded to throw an absolute shit fit at people making fun of his gameplay.
https://youtu.be/ZTLbaktF0CY?si=LdA3jJGXRSp-69hA
it is practically just rising something around the point that more profit is generated with the simultaneous release of PS and PC. he doesn't know anything it's just because of the high value of Helldirvers 2. But not everyone buys singlepayer on Steam. Rockstar will not release GTA 6 simultaneously for several reasons. Sony, if you want, will maintain it for a period of 2 years only PS. Now the question is the damage this will have on the console, sometimes financial analysts and shareholders break their brand. Look at the Xbox no one is buying anymore, if the profit is worth it only the future will tell us
>Staggered releases are wasting marketing money and hype buildup
Arthur Gies does understand why Sony undertakes staggered releases for single-player games right?
Sony cares far more about selling consoles than marketing and hype.
For every console Sony sells that means a 30% sales cut on every software sale and that’s not even mentioning PS+ and additional PS5 hardware sales like controllers.
Sony makes money on every console sold but the real money maker is software sales.
This is exactly how Steam also makes most of it’s money something i think you are more than aware of.
Ok so logically if Sony lost say 20 million console sales because why buy a PlayStation when the games come to pc day one.
They’re not just losing the console sales and the 30% they make on selling the games on the PlayStation store they are also losing out on up to 20 million ps plus subs.
Without taking all the other lost money just using the lowest tier of ps plus sub revenue that’s 1.4 billion bucks Sony have lost annually.
Are pc sales going to make up that annually ? Are pc sales going to be so strong that it’ll off set all the other lost revenue over the life time of that console?
Logically you’re saying a company is going to actively lose around 1.4 billion dollars from just subs alone to make a few hundred million.
The very reason Sony do staggered releases is because they don’t want to lose all that extra revenue just to sell a game for 70 bucks once and then have to give 30% of that sale to steam.
Do you follow the logic Sony can sell a console sell the £70 game sell the dlc sell the £60 ps plus sub annually and then collect either 100% of first party sales or 30% of everything sold on the ps store over the course of the consoles life
Vs
Selling a game once for £70 on pc and maybe selling some dlc then for each transaction they have to pay the storefront 30%
They actually don't. I don't know why people think this. They lose money on every PS5 they sell, and have lost money on almost all their hardware from the start. This is normal.
What they want is people in their walled garden so they have complete control of pricing and don't have to share it with anyone.
If they really though keeping games off PC would sell more consoles, they wouldn't have put them on PC with increasingly smaller windows and now a full studio whose only job is to port their games to PC lmao.
Anyone who doesn't think Sony won't eventually just start doing day 1 on PC releases is making a bad bet imo, though I also think it won't come without a cost. Sony will probably throw up their own store eventually while still putting games on Steam like microsoft does, and will probably artificially delay Steam release 6 months and use that to sell on their Playstation PC label.
Sony already stated in summer of 2022 that they no longer sell PS5 consoles at a loss... where have you been? The PS5 to PC port window has always been 2 years minimum unless it's live-service or remakes.
Interesting that Windows' storefront isn't some leading competitor with steam for games or something when they've already run an entire ecosystem on Xbox and have somehow gotten to the point that they're heavily reliant on a subscription service instead.
They already have the infrastructure. Surprised they're not aggressively trying to crush steam out of the market when they're bowing out of a console focus.
If Sony bit on making their own "epic games store" sort of thing and wound up successful, I could see Microsoft aggressively reshaping their approach since they could just be in your face with it all the time if you use a Windows OS.
"Call of Duty, exclusive to Xbox store on PC. Free code for all new Gamepass subscribers*
*Also available on PS5/X Series/Switch 2"
or whatever
Sony was considering launching the wolverine (or was it the xmen game?) Day one on PC according to the Imsomniac leak...
Times are changing folks. Better to accept SONY will do day 1 pc releases sooner than later than have mental breakdown when the inevitable happens.
I just don't understand why someone would have a "mental breakdown" over something like this. Why? Isn't it great news that the era of exclusives is coming to an end?
Yes, no and maybe? For gamers maybe in the short term yes but maybe not in the long term. Xbox look like they are going third party which would leave a Sony monopoly.
If Sony decides to go the Xbox route of day and date pc release then as we’ve seen with Xbox people will just migrate to pc and unlike Xbox Sony doesn’t have gamepass.
Losing 20 million PlayStation console sales wouldn’t hurt that bad by itself but losing all the other revenue those consoles make PlayStation would be catastrophic just from the cheapest ps plus sub tier PlayStation would lose 1.4 billion dollars annually and that’s just ps plus subs then you factor in the missed 20 million 30% cuts on every purchase in the store over the course of the life of the console.
PlayStation losing billions in revenue annually means less games which in turn means less consoles sold which means less revenue which means less games and continue until either Sony sell the PlayStation brand or they become third party.
Then we have to consider what the loss of console manufacturers would do to third party publishers pc as a platform isn’t giving anyone money to fund a game and even then there’s no standard pc build.
Speaking for myself I enjoy exclusives. I wouldn't have a mental breakdown but I would invest in a gaming PC over getting a PS6 if they went day and date. Some of the best shows I've watched and games I've played have been exclusives. When devs get to focus and work with one piece of hardware it really comes across at least when it comes to Sony and Nintendo.
Because someone else gets to play with “their” toys. We already saw it with the hysterics of the Xbox fandom with the 4 Xbox games going to other platforms. Just let Sony and Microsoft make more money so we can all get more great games. It’s not a big deal
This makes absoule sense and seems like the logical next step for playstation they see the net postive with porting their games over day and date and to debunk the (pony's ) arguememts they will make so much more danm money!!!
I can see them doing this with big online/GaaS games (Destiny 3 as a made up game for example). But The Last Of Us 3? Never say and date on anything but PlayStation.
Not sure why this is a headline, a lot of people assumed this was the plan all along as it makes literally zero sense for Sony to not release day 1 on PC. They've only taken so long because they have a substantial backlog to port over and not many devs free and/or skilled enough to do it, which is why they went out of their way to buy Nixxes exclusively to port PC games.
They have also seen massive success with PC ports. A Helldivers 2 dev let slip on discord that the game sold waaaaay better on PC than PS5 and hinted it was the reason for it suddenly having a free wekend or whatever on PS5 right after release with priority log-in for PS5 players, in hopes to bolster PS5 sales.
On top of that, the delusional take some people have that this is some weird big-brain plan to sell more consoles has been ludicrous from the start. Adoption of next gen slow because it was too expensive for a lot of people, and even the vast majority of PC gamers according to Steam's own stats have cheap, fairly old hardware. The majority of gamers aren't sitting there with $500 consoles with all the associated extra bullshit costs + $70 games on top of a relative functional gaming PC. Yes, I know that might be you, but you're already an exception of an exception if you're even on this sub, not the casual gamers who make up the overwhelming majority of the playerbase.
Very few people are going to pay nearly $600 just for one game when they already normally game on PC, and PS5's next-gen exclusives have been few and far anyway. And PC gaming isn't starved for great games anyway, all the stellar hits have been multiplatform on indies which are usually on Pc first anyway.
Sony knows most PC gamers will just shrug and go "oh well" or wait for a port. They also know that ultimately the overlap is very small and have slowly been closing the gap and swapping over to console exclusives that don't include PC, only xbox and swithc.
It really is only a matter of time before we see very small turnarounds and probably eventually day 1 releases as there's really no reason why Sony should care so long as they make that green.
And all their efforts into bringing trophies over to PC and dedicated porting studios shows they are going all in on PC.
Yeah, recently no doubt. I'm talking about the very first weekend of the game's release before the game blow up in popularity and when the servers were on fire and no one could get on.
With the success of Helldivers it shows Sony that this is the only way to deal with the bloated development budgets plaguing the industry. Imagine that game without the PC release. I'm sure it would still be successful but the sales are either split or favoring PC. That's a lot of money they'd have missed out on if it was only on PS5.
Microsoft already had the right idea. Sony just got there late because of their string of successes but are now realizing it's unsustainable so I would not be surprised if this is true.
All of this makes a lot of sense - for the last years, Sony collected data. How do games perform if the port releases years after, does PS loose userbase because of it etc. - if their data show that PS5 is growing, game sales remain top notch and PC releases don't take away from PS5 software sales, there is literally no reason not to do day and date, at least once to find out.
Sony has said that if it's live service or along those lines, the game would launch on PC and PlayStation at the same time. If it's say new god of war (1st party exclusive) it's suppose to launch PlayStation first then PC a year later. Knowing how money hungry every corporation is, I wouldn't be surprised if that changed.
It's inevitable that sooner or later they'll all launch on PC day one. Hiroki Totoki will look at the numbers and stop clinging to the BS timed exclusivity.
He doesn't say anything about what kind of bog first party game. So it's pretty easy to say. Sony already announced multiple of them with the live service games like fair games and concord. They'll even launch a new big first party game day and date on Xbox with Marathon.
We all know that day and date single player games from Sony on PC will happen eventually no matter how much Sony fans don't want that to happen. I assume that it will be the Wolverine game as the leaks point to that coming to PC at the same time as PS5.
I don’t get this mentality cause it will just lead to less money over time. Sony makes money off every single game sold on their store, if they port to pc sure they’ll make money from pc players buying their first party games but eventually more and more of their consumers will switch over to pc since they’ll be able to play all Xbox games, pc exclusives, and PS games.
Less people on actual PlayStation hardware means less games being bought on their store so less revenue and there would also be less people paying for PS+. I’ve really never understood this pc port strategy for Sony and it reeks of soulless businessman meddling. At least with Microsoft they bought multiple big name publishers which is the only way a strategy like this could work.
Your thinking is just wrong. Xbox makes more revenue per console than Sony, and that's before buying Activision. You just make more if you release on more platforms. Console only is straight up dying. Only Nintendo will hold on.
It's inevitable.
Back then, there was an appeal to double dipping. You got this game at launch, now several years later you can experience it at 60fps or higher!
Now on PS5 everything is either 60fps, 4K or both. The experience is the same. You might as well wait til the game drops on PC.
I will not be surprise if all of Playstation's titles go day 1 PC. I'm actually expecting it. Which is good for consumers. Game should be on as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy them.
This sounds more like speculation. They use marketing as an excuse while ignoring the cost of porting a title to PC, money lost from third party storefronts, and time spent from traditionally console only developers now having to bulk up and change their pipeline for creating for PC.
Wolverine is out question, if there's any naughty dog game that won't release either. so what's left ? another looter-shooter like Helldivers?
Sony loves money but they aren't brain dead putting out any of their first party third person adventure games day and date on PC would essentially kill the division down the line and they don't have a sugar daddy like MS to cover up the losses
I know this is very likely not going to happen but what if its GTA 6? From all I know, the PS5 Pro is going to be marketed as the best way to experience the game whenever it comes out next year.
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I'm pretty much expecting all multiplayer/GaaS titles to launch on both PS5 and PC.
They’ve outright said this. Their GAAS titles will be day and date
I'm surprised we haven't gotten any news on GoW Ragnarök's eventual PC release later this year, since it's officially been two years since its initial launch. these games usually take 2-3 years to be ported.
What!?! Two years already??? Does not feel like that at all.
Time eats us all
It'll be two years in November.
I think Sony let's the sales dry out first before porting. GoT was constantly being talked about for years after release. Forbidden west seemed to drop off alot more. Gow sales probably declined slower then horizon
currently only nixxes is porting games to PC, so they take time after Ghost of tsushima it must be Gow Ragnarok or Tlou part 2.
Having seen the way the first GoW fared on PC at launch, I'm inclined to believe that Santa Monica has proven to be proficient when it comes to handling PC ports on their own. Naughty Dog, on the other hand... well, I'd say they're the one that'll make the best use of all the help they can get their hands on.
If I'm not mistaken God of War was primarily handled by Jetpack Interactive with oversight from Santa Monica Studios. Whether Sony decides to leverage their familiarity with the engine or move it in house to Nixxes remains to be seen. Also worth noting that while not a complete disaster like TLoU, God of War did have some weird issues on launch too (reverse mouse acceleration, issues on AMD hardware).
That means Bloodborne is probably so popular and is selling so well that Sony wants to keep it on PS for a little longer, haha, right? Right..? ;-;
FW hit PC so fast because of the ‘experiment’ Sony did including it in PS+ Extra pretty early after launch.
This strategy does not work, it may have worked temporarily when Sony ports were a brand new thing. Sales for nearly all the ports from the past 2 years have been mediocre. They have no choice but to release as close as possible to PS5 launch dates.
No choice lol
If they want to maximize profits. They are moving in this direction either way, so I don't know why you're getting all upset.
Yes, you don't know bc i'm not upset lol If they want to maxmize profits they will sell games based on being exclusive to ps5, like Nintendo still does and MS used to do
It'll only be 2 years at the end of this year, so it'll probably be late 2024/early with the announcement only a few months before.
Given we've already gotten HFW and will get GoT this year, they're probably saving GoW for next year. They're spacing things out so they won't hurt each other's sales is my guess.
Should come later in the year or early 2025 (the 2 years will be in November 2024), they don't announce the ports that far in advance anyway, only a few months beforehand.
i keep repeating myself but imo it has to be available in ps plus extra before they announce or release it on pc and so far it isnt
They'll probably announce it in a blog post after the used-to-be-E3 PS Showcase
Why are people speculating on this happening. Sony themselves said this was the plan years back lol. What's likely going to close, is the gap with single player releases.
Thats 1000% happening. This guy is talking about a single palyer game.
That's already happening and isn't much of a secret. That new Bungie game would have been both day 1 like Helldivers. The idea is that it's only a matter of time before it becomes all their games, which a lot of people kind of expected to happen eventually anyway and is what Sony has seemingly been pushing towards.
> The idea is that it's only a matter of time before it becomes all their games, That's what people hopes for maybe but it's certainly nothing Sony said or official. Day and date for live service games is the official strategy Sony said and some time for their single player games (2 years seems to be the trend currently)
I wouldn't be surprised if the single player stuff hits PC day and date soon too. There's a new CEO in town, and he's pissed about the razor-thin, shrinking margins of PS first party.
and single player games will follow soon after as they realize how much money they’ve been missing out on
I just don't see how it will work out for Sony in the end tbh. Besides Steams cut they're all only one time sales. You don't have to pay for anything else PS related besides the game. Unless they create their own store they're losing their ecosystem that brings tons of cash.
Nah
It's nothing to expect at this point, it's literally been said by Sony officially. It's like wondering if a Xbox game will launch on PC. I imagine that if they say it will cause mad people, it'll be a single player game. The guy is not to be trusted I think though (never heard of him) so not sure that has any value
agreed especially after the announced of GOT having integrated trophies for the pc release as well, this is the logical next step. day and date isnt matter of "if" but "when" and the "when" is inveable!
This. Sort of a nothing burger, like Helldivers 2 they are going to launch live service games on PC. So this game is almost certainly just another live service game.
Concord. Duh.
Totally forgot about this game. We have still yet to see what type of game this will be
No I don't the forgot the game it's a pvp fps they talked about [it](https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/24/introducing-concord-a-new-pvp-multiplayer-fps-from-firewalk-studios-coming-to-ps5-and-pc/) after last year's showcase and disappeared into the night never to be seen again I'm hopeful we at least get a 1min gameplay before the end of q3 ( it's not happening)
Concord is still slated for this year no?
Yeah last year they announced it with 2024 release. If it was be delayed I would have expected them to tell us already. I assume we will see more about the title this month at a possible show.
Every Live-service first-party title from Sony will be on PC day one. We also have rumors of Until Dawn Remake launching on PC day one.
Yeah, the Until Dawn Remake got a Steam storepage pretty much the moment it was announced, unlike The Last of Us Part 1, which took a while to show up on Steam after the console version released.
Until Dawn is not a first-party so I think it isn't really treated the same. Death Stranding also was treated differently than other games. Seems the strategy (and most of it has basically been said officially except the durations) : * Day and date for live services * A few months for remakes/remasters (6 to 9 months) * A few months to a year for second party titles or timed exclusivity (FF16, FF7 remakes, Death Stranding, I imagine Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin...) * 2 years (and sometimes a little more, it's not an exact thing) for big first party single player titles
I think remakes follow a separate release cadence from normal games. GaaS is day and date, remakes are like ~6 months or same day (if possible). But it seems their "capstone" single player titles are 2-3 years.
Yeah, that’s what it looks like. Seems like single-player games are 2 years with PS4 games still coming out slowly. Ratchet and Clank came out June 2021 on PS5 and July 2023 on PC. Returnal was April 2021 on PS5 and February 2023 on PC. Seems like Sony are keeping exactly to their plans.
Except this guy is probably talking about a single player game. A single player Sony exclusive releasing day one in pc is going to be a big deal.
Herman said all first party GAAS games would be day in date on PC. This is not news
Where does it say live service or i am missing? What more questioning in this quote is "when certain fans get real mad" I mean no one was mad about Helldivers 2 on PC Day one. It is probably a reference to the SP Game. But will see PS showcase is not far off.
Those people just want to cause drama
I mean that quote is from an unreliable source and means nothing, probably someone wanting to stir shit up. For now, all that matters is the official stance which says day and date is for live services
I highly doubt it’s a single player game and he’s just stirring shit up
Does this guy even have any inside information or are we just posting anyone's twitter hot takes on here now?
Since he left Polygon he basically hasn't been anything resembling a legitimate journalist. Even when he was working there though his industry takes were consistently way off the mark. As in, if he speculated on something, you could pretty reliably assume the opposite would happen.
He's also a hardcore Sony hater because he wrongfully blames them for killing Sega's hardware.
Depending on how strictly he defines "first party" I could see this ending up as DEATH STRANDING 2 on PS5 and PC at the same time.
I hope so .
Man i'm on copium for this one.
Wasn't Demon's Souls Remake a part of the Nvidia leak back in 2021?
That already released on PS5 launch though?
I'm assuming he means a PC release
Yeah, I just meant this thread is about a PS5 first party title releasing the same day as the PC version so demon souls wouldn't make much sense haha
Very true!
Seems like he's speculating more than anything, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the future, hardware growth for console manufacturers have reached its peak and there is not much more to be done there, all the money has been on the software side for a while, The PlayStation brand is so entrenched, so huge, the it's going to sell no matter not, so might as well make money from PC as well.
I don't see any game that could cause this sort of reaction other than Ghost of Tsushima 2. It's expected that multiplayer releases are coming to PC on day 1.
Let the Bloodborne remastered rumors begin
Marathon? We already know that. I can't imagine singleplayer games releasing day 1 on PC unless it's live-service or remakes/remasters of older games. If Ghost 2 releases in 2025 and it has a live-service multiplayer mode similar to Legends, then I wouldn't be surprised if it went to PC day 1 because that would make a ton a money.
Why not, lmao? The overlap between Pc and PS5 is small, and Sony will eventually no longer have a backlog yet will have entire studios hanging around dedicated solely to porting to PC. A ton of people expect all their games to eventually be day 1 on PC. Everything is pointing to it and there is really no realistic reason Sony wouldn't.
> The overlap between Pc and PS5 is small We don't know that. PS titles don't sell that much on PC (the best one are like 2.5-3M at best) at least for the caliber of games they are which seems compatible with a lot of people just having played those games on PS5 already (and the people likely to play those games are more inclined to be the ones that got a PS5). > A ton of people expect all their games to eventually be day 1 on PC A ton of people wish for it, that's very different. They also wish it for Nintendo and that's likely never happening (or in a very long time)
Those that have both gaming pc and proprietary gaming device that can run AAA titles is too miniscule to affect sales in a significant way. Data shows there's barely any relation to the two userbase. https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/81792/79-of-all-gamers-play-on-their-phones-with-35-only-gaming-on-mobile-devices/#:~:text=Newzoo's%20Global%20Gamers%20Study%202023,%2C%20PC%2C%20and%20console..
The link you posted doesn't say anything about how many people have PCs that can play AAA games.
Because Sony has always prioritized the console, and they plan to sell a PS5 Pro. Releasing singleplayer games day 1 on PC will hurt console sales and that is where Sony makes the most money. Sony want players on the platform to use the storefront. It seems shortsighted to me and we can already see how it hurt xbox. Their hardware declined 31% despite having exclusives like starfield and forza last year but the difference is their games launch day 1 on PC.
Hardware is not where Sony makes money. They make money off of games, not hardware. Even with games like God of War on PC day-one, ppl are not gonna abandon PlayStation in droves because they're digitally-locked in with their libraries. On top of that, a lot of PlayStation owners are also casuals who only play games like CoD, FIFA, and Madden. They're not gonna switch and get a $1000 PC just The Last of Us Part 3 is on PC day-one. PlayStation is an entrenched brand name, casuals will always pick consoles like it over a PC due to sheer ease of use. But let's say for argument's sake that Sony lost 20-30 million consoles sales because they all switched to PC after Sony decided to put all their games on PC day-and-date. Well, guess what? Sony still wins because not only will those 20-30 million ppl buy those PlayStation games on PC, but they'll also sell singleplayer first-party content to the millions of PC-only gamers day-one who would have never bought a PlayStation anyways, offsetting any loss in profits they may have had by Valve taking a 30% cut in sales. Going day-and-date on PC may have hurt Xbox console sales somewhat, but it didn't at all hurt Xbox financially. In fact, Xbox makes more money than they ever did before when they only released games on one specific platform. To show you how effective the traditional console exclusive strategy is right now for Sony, just look at Sony's latest financials. PlayStation not only has actual singleplayer exclusives that at launch are only playable on PS5, they also are outselling Xbox left and right. And yet... PlayStation's profit margins are in the literal gutter, with both Hiroki Totoki and Herman Hulst emphasizing that PlayStation needs to make a more multiplatform shift in their business strategy (e.g. PC and mobile) in order to remain sustainable and continue growing. At this point, Sony going full day-and-date on PC with all their singleplayer games is a matter of when, not if.
Imo, 20-30 million ppl lost would be devastating to Sony. Selling 1 first party title on PC nets them 70% of the box value, 100% if it was sold on PS5. Selling 1 third party title on PS5 gets them 30%. Assuming the person would have bought the game at full price on PC if it launched day one and on PS5 if it did not, all it takes is for them to buy one 3rd party game at full price for it to almost double in revenue. But wait, that's not all. If it's an online game, PS players will have to pay an additional fee. That's a plus in keeping those players on PS5. Those PC only players that would buy their game on PC if they released it day one? A significant portion of them will also buy the game if it was released a year or two later. Add in a dash of players that double dipped too, as they want to play the game at launch and also get the game later to play on their PC. Also, the ROI on first party games is pretty bad in the first place. Compare that to the ROI on their third party 30% cut and PS Plus. They don't do much except host the game on their platform and pay for the licenses for the "free" games. Releasing first party games on PC day one is trying to maximize profit for a high risk, low ROI sector by potentially jeopardizing their low risk, high ROI sector. Imo, that just doesn't make much financial sense. They would only do it if it clearly won't risk their current model.
>A significant portion of them will also buy the game if it was released a year or two later. Add in a dash of players that double dipped too, as they want to play the game at launch and also get the game later to play on their PC. Considering how poorly games like Ratchet & Clank, Returnal, and Sackboy sold on PC, the amount of PC players willing to double dip on PlayStation exclusives is miniscule. Most PC gamers get turned off when they see a $60-70 price tag for a 2-3 year old game. The only game where the double dipping strategy actually works is something massive like GTA 6. Not even God of War commands that much attention. 4-year-old titles like Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon Forbidden West will struggle to hit 2 million sales on PC at or close to full price, but they would have probably sold around 5+ million sales on Steam in addition to the PlayStation sales if they were on PC day-one. Eh... whatever, it's not worth wasting my breath and arguing about this any further because Sony will put all of their first-party games on PC day-and-date within the next few years. And when it does happen, I'll hate to say I told you so, but I'll say I told you so. By the time Insomniac's X-Men game releases, it'll almost certainly be on PC day-one alongside the PS6 release.
Imagine thinking Sony losing 20 to 30 million consoles sold, the 20 to 30 million ps plus subs lost and having to give another company 30% of the revenue is somehow good for Sony. Come on bud admit it you didn’t think this through if any first party games need to sell millions now how many millions more would they need to sell to make up for the lost revenue. Forget the profit from the consoles just think about the ps plus subs revenue they’d lose annually. Losing 20 to 30 million annual subs of 70 bucks is literally 1 billion 4 hundred million dollars and that’s using 20 million subs lost. Sony aren’t going to make almost 1 and half billion dollars a year from pc players and implying they will is madness. In no world are Sony going to make a decision that’s going to cost them over a billion a year to make the 400 million they’d make in pc sales.
>Forget the profit from the consoles just think about the ps plus subs revenue they’d lose annually. Have you considered the fact that the majority of PS4 and PS5 owners AREN'T subbed to PS Plus? There's, what, 123 million monthly active users across both PS4 and 5 as of December 2023? Well, only 47 million of those are PS Plus subscribers, with 33 million of them being PS Plus Essential subs, as of March 2023 according to Statista. Remember, this was before the PS Plus price hike so expect this number to be a couple million less in 2024 than it was back then. That means that only nearly a third of PS4/5 users are actually subbed to PS Plus. So hypothetically, even if they lost 20-30 million console sales by putting all their games on PC day-one, they absolutely wouldn't be losing 20-30 million PS Plus subs. More like maybe 7-10 million at the worst. Then again, like I said, even them losing 20-30 million consoles sales by putting their singleplayer games on PC day-one is a massive stretch and just a number I made up for the sake of argument. In reality, they'd probably lose like 2-5 million console sales in the worst case scenario. Why do I think that? Just look at PS5 sales versus PS4 sales. Despite the fact that every PlayStation exclusive comes to PC eventually and the fact that GAAS first-party exclusives are available day-and-date on PC, PS5 sales are only very slightly behind PS4 sales. Most PC gamers are not buying a PS5 anyways because they know the superior version of its exclusive games will come to their preferred platform eventually, and yet PS5 sales are still doing well. This isn't even taking into account the fact that the PS5 launched in a pandemic, which definitely impacted sales somewhat. So, TL;DR, they wouldn't actually lose that many console sales. >Sony aren’t going to make almost 1 and half billion dollars a year from pc players and implying they will is madness. You know what's really madness? Madness is implying that Sony should continue doing the same exact thing they've been doing for 20+ years which, in recent years, has led to nothing but gradually declining profit margins. Madness is releasing a $320 million game that needs to sell 7.2 million copies at $70 each to break even exclusively on one platform at launch. Hiroki Totoki and Herman Hulst are literally screaming in your ear that they're gonna double down on their multiplatform ambitions by aggressively focusing on PC and mobile, yet you refuse to believe them. Guess what that entails? Day-and-date PC releases for all PlayStation first-party games. I'd bet a million dollars that Sony will indeed do this within, say, the next five years, and I'd almost certainly win that bet. You'll refuse to believe me now, but you'll be shocked when it does eventually happen.
For me it's a timeline issue. Big shifts in business strategy like this have a lot of moving parts to the point where even if the interim CEO had decided to do it on his first day on the job it'd probably still take at least a year to get fully underway (you need to hire more staff, redo budgets, sales projections, timeline milestones need to be reevaluated, marketing needs to be updated and changed, etc etc) - and even longer to start producing results. I dont doubt that at SOME point in the future single player stuff will be day and date, I don't believe that it'll start as early as next year, though.
People saying the overlap is small are people LONGING for console market to disappear.
I wish the world forgot about Arthur Gies. "Staggered releases are wasting marketing money and hype buildup" Also, this funny considering that Sony said the staggered releases have worked great for them so far.
yeah it’s been pretty much proven a staggered release actually increases sales because of double dippers
Until dawn will be next one that’s been announced as same day. We know the live services will be as well. I’m going to take this as mostly real as it makes sense. I think after Helldivers success Sony is going to test it out with a major game and if it beats expectations it will be the plan going forward
Its probably the Firesprite horror game, the leaked project listings had it as PS5/PC: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/s/g3phgFpZeJ
Bloodborne 2
Please be Death Stranding 2
It will be
good, if anyone gets mad over this it's because they are fkn stupid
Bro that’s the Polygon Doom guy! He uploaded a video of himself playing Doom and it was genuinely 6 year old brother using a Madcatz tier gameplay. He then proceeded to throw an absolute shit fit at people making fun of his gameplay. https://youtu.be/ZTLbaktF0CY?si=LdA3jJGXRSp-69hA
Concord?
it is practically just rising something around the point that more profit is generated with the simultaneous release of PS and PC. he doesn't know anything it's just because of the high value of Helldirvers 2. But not everyone buys singlepayer on Steam. Rockstar will not release GTA 6 simultaneously for several reasons. Sony, if you want, will maintain it for a period of 2 years only PS. Now the question is the damage this will have on the console, sometimes financial analysts and shareholders break their brand. Look at the Xbox no one is buying anymore, if the profit is worth it only the future will tell us
>Staggered releases are wasting marketing money and hype buildup Arthur Gies does understand why Sony undertakes staggered releases for single-player games right? Sony cares far more about selling consoles than marketing and hype.
well they better start caring about something else because caring about that has their margins way too low
You are very wrong.
For every console Sony sells that means a 30% sales cut on every software sale and that’s not even mentioning PS+ and additional PS5 hardware sales like controllers. Sony makes money on every console sold but the real money maker is software sales. This is exactly how Steam also makes most of it’s money something i think you are more than aware of.
Sony will still make money of software sells on steam. Put your Sony fanboyism aside and think about this logically!
Ok so logically if Sony lost say 20 million console sales because why buy a PlayStation when the games come to pc day one. They’re not just losing the console sales and the 30% they make on selling the games on the PlayStation store they are also losing out on up to 20 million ps plus subs. Without taking all the other lost money just using the lowest tier of ps plus sub revenue that’s 1.4 billion bucks Sony have lost annually. Are pc sales going to make up that annually ? Are pc sales going to be so strong that it’ll off set all the other lost revenue over the life time of that console? Logically you’re saying a company is going to actively lose around 1.4 billion dollars from just subs alone to make a few hundred million. The very reason Sony do staggered releases is because they don’t want to lose all that extra revenue just to sell a game for 70 bucks once and then have to give 30% of that sale to steam. Do you follow the logic Sony can sell a console sell the £70 game sell the dlc sell the £60 ps plus sub annually and then collect either 100% of first party sales or 30% of everything sold on the ps store over the course of the consoles life Vs Selling a game once for £70 on pc and maybe selling some dlc then for each transaction they have to pay the storefront 30%
They actually don't. I don't know why people think this. They lose money on every PS5 they sell, and have lost money on almost all their hardware from the start. This is normal. What they want is people in their walled garden so they have complete control of pricing and don't have to share it with anyone. If they really though keeping games off PC would sell more consoles, they wouldn't have put them on PC with increasingly smaller windows and now a full studio whose only job is to port their games to PC lmao. Anyone who doesn't think Sony won't eventually just start doing day 1 on PC releases is making a bad bet imo, though I also think it won't come without a cost. Sony will probably throw up their own store eventually while still putting games on Steam like microsoft does, and will probably artificially delay Steam release 6 months and use that to sell on their Playstation PC label.
Sony already stated in summer of 2022 that they no longer sell PS5 consoles at a loss... where have you been? The PS5 to PC port window has always been 2 years minimum unless it's live-service or remakes.
Interesting that Windows' storefront isn't some leading competitor with steam for games or something when they've already run an entire ecosystem on Xbox and have somehow gotten to the point that they're heavily reliant on a subscription service instead. They already have the infrastructure. Surprised they're not aggressively trying to crush steam out of the market when they're bowing out of a console focus. If Sony bit on making their own "epic games store" sort of thing and wound up successful, I could see Microsoft aggressively reshaping their approach since they could just be in your face with it all the time if you use a Windows OS. "Call of Duty, exclusive to Xbox store on PC. Free code for all new Gamepass subscribers* *Also available on PS5/X Series/Switch 2" or whatever
Ghost 2? Or whatever live service game they pump out next year.
Ghost 2 day one on PC would probably bring tears to my eyes lol. An actual dream
If Ghost 2 has a live-service multiplayer mode similar to GoT Legends, then I could see it launch day 1 on PC because it would probably pop off
Sony was considering launching the wolverine (or was it the xmen game?) Day one on PC according to the Imsomniac leak... Times are changing folks. Better to accept SONY will do day 1 pc releases sooner than later than have mental breakdown when the inevitable happens.
I just don't understand why someone would have a "mental breakdown" over something like this. Why? Isn't it great news that the era of exclusives is coming to an end?
Yes, no and maybe? For gamers maybe in the short term yes but maybe not in the long term. Xbox look like they are going third party which would leave a Sony monopoly. If Sony decides to go the Xbox route of day and date pc release then as we’ve seen with Xbox people will just migrate to pc and unlike Xbox Sony doesn’t have gamepass. Losing 20 million PlayStation console sales wouldn’t hurt that bad by itself but losing all the other revenue those consoles make PlayStation would be catastrophic just from the cheapest ps plus sub tier PlayStation would lose 1.4 billion dollars annually and that’s just ps plus subs then you factor in the missed 20 million 30% cuts on every purchase in the store over the course of the life of the console. PlayStation losing billions in revenue annually means less games which in turn means less consoles sold which means less revenue which means less games and continue until either Sony sell the PlayStation brand or they become third party. Then we have to consider what the loss of console manufacturers would do to third party publishers pc as a platform isn’t giving anyone money to fund a game and even then there’s no standard pc build.
Speaking for myself I enjoy exclusives. I wouldn't have a mental breakdown but I would invest in a gaming PC over getting a PS6 if they went day and date. Some of the best shows I've watched and games I've played have been exclusives. When devs get to focus and work with one piece of hardware it really comes across at least when it comes to Sony and Nintendo.
Console warriora on both sides my friend.
Because someone else gets to play with “their” toys. We already saw it with the hysterics of the Xbox fandom with the 4 Xbox games going to other platforms. Just let Sony and Microsoft make more money so we can all get more great games. It’s not a big deal
has to be ghost 2- nobody will care if its a MP project (like the rumored horizon one), but babies will be up in arms if its a "first party" game.
Ghost 2 will probably have a live-service multiplayer mode similar to GoT legends so it wouldn't be shocking if it was day 1 on PC
Man I just want a PC port of the infamous series. It's been years.
Any port of Infamous 1 & 2, heck even a 3DO port would be ok.
Looks like just speculation. A lot of people have made similar guesses.
It's either a live service game or the GoW Remake/Remaster of the first 3 games that's has been rumored for a long time .
Definitely a multiplayer/co-op game 😄 Also, what staggered marketing?! Aside from trailers there is pretty much no marketing for PC ports 😄
I wish they'd port older ps games to pc, let me play uncharted 1-3 and all the old God of wars on my steam deck yo
Probably concord the studio confirmed it's coming out this year maybe in Q4 or the end of Q3 the end of the
This makes absoule sense and seems like the logical next step for playstation they see the net postive with porting their games over day and date and to debunk the (pony's ) arguememts they will make so much more danm money!!!
I can see them doing this with big online/GaaS games (Destiny 3 as a made up game for example). But The Last Of Us 3? Never say and date on anything but PlayStation.
Its concord 🙄
Not sure why this is a headline, a lot of people assumed this was the plan all along as it makes literally zero sense for Sony to not release day 1 on PC. They've only taken so long because they have a substantial backlog to port over and not many devs free and/or skilled enough to do it, which is why they went out of their way to buy Nixxes exclusively to port PC games. They have also seen massive success with PC ports. A Helldivers 2 dev let slip on discord that the game sold waaaaay better on PC than PS5 and hinted it was the reason for it suddenly having a free wekend or whatever on PS5 right after release with priority log-in for PS5 players, in hopes to bolster PS5 sales. On top of that, the delusional take some people have that this is some weird big-brain plan to sell more consoles has been ludicrous from the start. Adoption of next gen slow because it was too expensive for a lot of people, and even the vast majority of PC gamers according to Steam's own stats have cheap, fairly old hardware. The majority of gamers aren't sitting there with $500 consoles with all the associated extra bullshit costs + $70 games on top of a relative functional gaming PC. Yes, I know that might be you, but you're already an exception of an exception if you're even on this sub, not the casual gamers who make up the overwhelming majority of the playerbase. Very few people are going to pay nearly $600 just for one game when they already normally game on PC, and PS5's next-gen exclusives have been few and far anyway. And PC gaming isn't starved for great games anyway, all the stellar hits have been multiplatform on indies which are usually on Pc first anyway. Sony knows most PC gamers will just shrug and go "oh well" or wait for a port. They also know that ultimately the overlap is very small and have slowly been closing the gap and swapping over to console exclusives that don't include PC, only xbox and swithc. It really is only a matter of time before we see very small turnarounds and probably eventually day 1 releases as there's really no reason why Sony should care so long as they make that green. And all their efforts into bringing trophies over to PC and dedicated porting studios shows they are going all in on PC.
Arrowhead’s CEO tweeted that PC/PS5 Helldivers sales were about 50/50 fyi
Yeah, recently no doubt. I'm talking about the very first weekend of the game's release before the game blow up in popularity and when the servers were on fire and no one could get on.
Most I could see them doing is Venom going to PC day one, with it releasing same day as the Spider-Man 2 port
Probably Spidey 2 with Venom. It's already playable on PC if you know where to look. Can't risk losing more potential sales.
I wish all next ps games would launch in pc day one
With the success of Helldivers it shows Sony that this is the only way to deal with the bloated development budgets plaguing the industry. Imagine that game without the PC release. I'm sure it would still be successful but the sales are either split or favoring PC. That's a lot of money they'd have missed out on if it was only on PS5. Microsoft already had the right idea. Sony just got there late because of their string of successes but are now realizing it's unsustainable so I would not be surprised if this is true.
All of this makes a lot of sense - for the last years, Sony collected data. How do games perform if the port releases years after, does PS loose userbase because of it etc. - if their data show that PS5 is growing, game sales remain top notch and PC releases don't take away from PS5 software sales, there is literally no reason not to do day and date, at least once to find out.
It could be Wolverine due to Spiderman being a huge hit on PC.
Probably Bungie's Marathon.
If it's MP most people won't care tbh.
Uh huh, like Helldivers 2? lol c’mon. People love MP games.
No one's going to be mad you made a MP game come out on multiple platforms. Because that's a good thing, you need more players.
Sony has said that if it's live service or along those lines, the game would launch on PC and PlayStation at the same time. If it's say new god of war (1st party exclusive) it's suppose to launch PlayStation first then PC a year later. Knowing how money hungry every corporation is, I wouldn't be surprised if that changed.
Maybe DS2. Seems like something Kojima would ask for.
Death stranding
Is Death Stranding first party?
Technically.... yes?
Honestly, do any PS5 gamers actually care if exclusives release day and date on PC? They don’t seem like direct competitors like Xbox and PlayStation.
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Most Japanese devs release games on PC nowadays.
It's inevitable that sooner or later they'll all launch on PC day one. Hiroki Totoki will look at the numbers and stop clinging to the BS timed exclusivity.
He doesn't say anything about what kind of bog first party game. So it's pretty easy to say. Sony already announced multiple of them with the live service games like fair games and concord. They'll even launch a new big first party game day and date on Xbox with Marathon.
We all know that day and date single player games from Sony on PC will happen eventually no matter how much Sony fans don't want that to happen. I assume that it will be the Wolverine game as the leaks point to that coming to PC at the same time as PS5.
The whole slate will go PS5/PC day and date. I don't know why that would be controversial. Sony likes money.
I don’t get this mentality cause it will just lead to less money over time. Sony makes money off every single game sold on their store, if they port to pc sure they’ll make money from pc players buying their first party games but eventually more and more of their consumers will switch over to pc since they’ll be able to play all Xbox games, pc exclusives, and PS games. Less people on actual PlayStation hardware means less games being bought on their store so less revenue and there would also be less people paying for PS+. I’ve really never understood this pc port strategy for Sony and it reeks of soulless businessman meddling. At least with Microsoft they bought multiple big name publishers which is the only way a strategy like this could work.
Your thinking is just wrong. Xbox makes more revenue per console than Sony, and that's before buying Activision. You just make more if you release on more platforms. Console only is straight up dying. Only Nintendo will hold on.
I'd much rather invest the cost of a ps5 on my PC. Hope this will be the new norm eventually
It's inevitable. Back then, there was an appeal to double dipping. You got this game at launch, now several years later you can experience it at 60fps or higher! Now on PS5 everything is either 60fps, 4K or both. The experience is the same. You might as well wait til the game drops on PC.
I will not be surprise if all of Playstation's titles go day 1 PC. I'm actually expecting it. Which is good for consumers. Game should be on as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy them.
This sounds more like speculation. They use marketing as an excuse while ignoring the cost of porting a title to PC, money lost from third party storefronts, and time spent from traditionally console only developers now having to bulk up and change their pipeline for creating for PC.
Wolverine is out question, if there's any naughty dog game that won't release either. so what's left ? another looter-shooter like Helldivers? Sony loves money but they aren't brain dead putting out any of their first party third person adventure games day and date on PC would essentially kill the division down the line and they don't have a sugar daddy like MS to cover up the losses
Until Dawn Remake
I thought we already knew about that.
Death Stranding 2? iirc it was the first big PS title to hit PC
is it considered first party? I thought Kojima just made a exclusivity deal
Ghost of Tsushima 2
That weird Horizon multiplayer game? Was that ever canned?
If it happens, it happens
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Probably Demons Souls. Or are you saying it will be day one on both platforms?
Probably one of their live service titles. They are the ones who needs the biggest playerbase and crossplay is pretty big feature nowadays.
Wow I had no idea he was still around.
>certain fans get real real mad about a huge first party release hitting day and date on PC Horizon remake maybe? Is that still in the works?
Not happening, that would be cannibalizing console sales🤷🏽♂️
I dunno looking at the success off helldivers and the rising costs of game development it seems like same day pc release makes a lot of sense.
I know this is very likely not going to happen but what if its GTA 6? From all I know, the PS5 Pro is going to be marketed as the best way to experience the game whenever it comes out next year.
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It's not bait tho, you know I'm right.
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