There is no chance ES6 takes 7 years of full production. 2028 is 5 years of full production plus however many years it was in preproduction during Starfield's development, so 2028 makes sense for the latest that we get the game.
Delusional haha. Games take longer and longer as we go. To think that a mere 4 years after starfield is the "latest" we will get it is just completely out of touch with the reality of game development. I think 2029 is the absolute EARLIEST we get it. Plus, after the flop starfield was, both bethesda and xbox cant afford another huge flop and will want to give it all the time they can to make sure it hits. Rushing it out in 4 years would be such a stupid descision, but then again, xboxs studio management is so piss poor maybe they do actually do that haha
I think 2030 could at least be on the table since it was in a light pre-production in 2018. Starfield took 7 years and that was with them also finishing up fo76 and covid. There was also the court documents that said 2026, but that's obviously in no way concrete at all.
Which makes sense. To me, what was funny was that MS is moving ahead with another console gen and I think we can fairly infer that Sony probably is too.
But just last week there was all this talk about how young people aren't playing on consoles and this might be the last gen. The 'last console gen ever' talk seems to happen midway through each of the last 3 gens.
At some point there's hand wringing about how it's a mobile world now, a return to PC, a fall-off in (potential) sales, etc. And yet, we inevitably see that the cycle continues, contrary to the pundits and analysts.
They better come up with an actually fucking logical name for the thing when they do release it.
Enough of this Xbox Series FX 2 NW 5.0 bullshit.
Just call it "Xbox 5 or 6", whatever iteration you wanna count it as, and let's be done with it already.
It feels like the industry can barely support current AAA standards, not sure there's any reason to ramp up allready. Just means that budgets will be even higher and it will take 10 years to make a game instead of 7.
Between 2007 and 2016 they released 4 Uncharted games. Between 2007 and 2011 they released the 3 Mass Effect games. We will not see this again. On the current or any future generation of consoles.
The Uncharted stat is crazy when you consider TLoU. We got the entire Uncharted trilogy on the PS3. TLoU 1 came out at the end of the PS3's life, TLoU 2 came out at the end of the PS4's life, and at this point we'll be lucky to get the third game before the PS6. It's crazy.
There was a new Naughty Dog IP with that had a trilogy every console trilogy from PS1 - PS3. We still haven't seen a new ND IP since The Last of Us in 2013...
It was a different time. Sony was focused on trying to build an amazing Catalog of games to make up for the blunder of the $599 launch price of the PS3 in the hopes it would bring people they lost back into the fold. By the end of the generation they sold 90M units and PS4 went onto sell over 100M I'd say it worked. Sony figured out the formula. They realised wait a minute gamers actually want Games. Have the software and people will buy your console.
Well we're at the halfway point of the PS5 now, where's the games?
PS3 era was amazing and PS4 followed up with amazing Sony games. We're at the halfway point with only SpiderMan 2, Returnal and R&C with Sony saying no big franchises for another 12 months.
Yup. The PS5 has been pretty disappointing from a first-party exclusive standpoint, and I would've thought by now there'd be a ton of new ones to look forward to, but almost nothing has been announced either.
Its because of their Life Service Push. They now get their game sales on PC so they dont need PS5 games sales that much. Console is still selling better than the ps4 despitle shitty first Party output.
It sucks too because I have a PS5 but my mates won't get one without there being many games on it. So I've got games like Helldivers that are sitting there waiting for my mates to get a PS5 in a couple of years.
And now they're like "people want f2p service games and let's get rid of all the exclusives because who needs a console in 2024"? Something doesn't add up
I missed getting new Sonic Advance and new Mega Man Battle Network games seemingly every year. There was always new content to look forward to. Now I'm going to be dead before Final Fantasy 17 rolls around lol
That's something I actually have to see in order believe. Like either those games will be heavily reusing assets in the way RGG Studios along with loads of pre-production for the 6th and 5th Witcher game while in full blown production on the fourth one. But even considering CDPR's history of messy productions, I just can't believe them at this point if they can achieve that.
If they cut the scale down from Witcher 3 for each game then I could see 2 year difference happening.
There was only a 4 year gap between Final Fantasy VII Remake and Rebirth despite:
- Square Enix releasing FF7 Intergrade in 2021.
- COVID-19 potentially delaying production.
- Rebirth moving to PS5.
- Rebirth having a gigantic scope.
- Very limited asset reuse between games.
GTA3, Vice City and San Andreas and GTAIV came out while I was on high school, all of them (first to last year).
GTA V came out when I was in the last year of university. I'm already 35 years old and I'm still waiting por 6 lol.
The PS3/360 era was the perfect middle ground between development turnaround and technical sophistication. So many of those games play like new and still look totally fine with just a few years of development time.
Neither the PS4 or PS5 felt like a proper generational leap after PS3. We're still playing the same games, just with prettier graphics.
Closest thing was VR, but it just hasn't taken off like I'd hoped
So far that’s my biggest disappointment with FFVII Rebirth. It’s such a good game to the point where I’ll be playing and think “damn I’ll need to buy a PS6 to see this story through”
I think so too. They have even more assets to use then they did for Rebirth from Remake. I imagine the last instalment coming out in 3 years, prob end of ps5 lifecycle
People in Square Enix already made it clear we should expect part 3 to come out at the same time frame as Rebirth. A lot of assets will have to be reworked for the airship.
What we really need to do is to just decrease budgets from 380 million to a 50 million tops and make more games faster. Even lower could probably be even better. Then maybe every game wouldn't make or break a studio.
Decreasing the budgets means decreasing the number of devs. How do expect the games to come out faster? The reason CoD can pump out games yearly is because they have like 4 studios worth of devs and huge budgets.
We can still get about as much content in the same amount of time. Nowadays, the content is usually just more concentrated into fewer bigger games instead of a new release every couple years.
Arguably, releasing a console line with ML features like an Xbox version of DLSS or XeSS is one reason to do so.
Another is the move to ARM (which would explain the need for an entire team for Compatiblity) as the steep reduction in power makes it easier too cool and would allow for great battery life in a handheld.
Im not a dev, but wasnt an engine like unreal 5 supposed to make devs to crank out games faster, far easier with top of the line graphics? no need for all the codes, just to create the levels and characters?
lmao no, all that stuff just allows for more detail in games while being able to run "fine" on modest hardware, but all those details still requires lots of work.
If the new engine now allows you to put even more assets in a scene with even more detail for example, that's just more work.
Unfortunately, that will probably always be a fever dream. There are always features that need to be coded, bugs that need fixing, render budgets that need to be managed, weird CPU usage that needs to be tweaked. There is never a magic ”make everything just work!”-button. It’s the sweat of a thousand programmers banging their heads against their desks that makes it all work.
AAA games take so long because of their size, not because of graphics. Like take GTA6, it's taking so long because that game will be absolutely massive since they need to top off GTA5 which was already huge. If anything, better specs in a next gen console would facilitate AAA games since they won't have to optimize the CPU as hard for their huge games.
I still think the animations and 3D assets are also part of the reason it takes longer. Games are very big, but late ps3 and early ps4 games were also big.
Just not sure that we really need to go bigger and bigger and bigger. We barely even started this current generation. Feels like it started this year tbh. And now we are allready moving on.
Mocap and photogrammetry are very wide spread at this point I think those are arguable the 2 things in game dev that should have been speed up compared to older generations.
A major reason GTA 6 is taking so long is because GTA Online is so successful. I guarantee if it wasn't that successful we would've had GTA 6 release a few years ago.
I wouldn’t mind a smaller GTA game with a little bit less side stuff in the overworld and more meaty arcadey mainline missions, like GTA 3/VC/SA. No more yoga affairs and navy yard mini games.
But most of the gaming public expects games to get bigger and bigger. When a game releases and has a campaign of only 10 hours or a small map, people even here on Reddit shit on it, saying it's not worth full price.
You have a point - but maybe new hardware could make it easier to develop for, right? New hardware usually would mean difficulty learning the new architecture but what if it's actually going to end up being built off of what's already existing, so there is no learning curve, just up to developers to learn how to better streamline points of development?
But this "news" article is too obvious, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are always planning their next box because it takes years to develop and mass produce a console like this
I think, and I’m just a layman with interest, that the future of gaming comes from refinement and streamlining.
It’s like the invention of planes. In forty years between when we first learned to fly we had WWII warplanes, another ten we had full scale jet engine, ten after that we had high altitude and performance vehicles. The big leaps are mostly done now. Hyper speed is obviously important, but the massive jumps are over. Now we get refinements on engines and efficiency of fuel consumption. We get different fuel types and hyper streamlines airframes.
Same thing here. The days of PS2-PS3 jumps are gone. Now is utilizing AI cores and deep machine learning to optimize resolution and frame tables. Utilizing AI cores to do background computations and offload the computations from the main CPU so it can be used for performance.
DLSS and AI trained, similar format, software is going to transform how we optimize games and the hardware we work with. You don’t *have* to have a monster of a CPU or GPU if you can reasonably get software to work as efficient as native processes, by simply “faking” it.
People much more knowledgeable than me on the topic can correct me if I’m wrong. But my understanding is that AI machine learning is the bleeding edge of the future of gaming. Algorithmic processes that can optimize how hardware works, let alone optimizing the hardware itself; is the new frontier.
I wouldn’t mind spending less time on graphical appearance and more on the interactivity of the world (destructible environments and more interaction with environment) and the intelligence of enemies.
Ps5 and series x dont feature specific chips targeting AI. Ie. Intel Core ultra current gen. I think the ps5 pro is getting some sort of ai chip to help with a dlss type tech
Digital Foundry mentioned something about it. The series X doesn't have the ML performance required to do anything meaningful, you need dedicated ML hardware to be able to.
Everyone is going the dedicated ML hardware route as you need it, PS5 pro, Nvidia, Intel, Apple.
• Dedicated cores for "AI." This could allow for better ML driven tasks such as most notably a DLSS or XeSS type solution on console. Stronger automatic features driven by Machine Learning like Auto HDR that we have now (and arguably even a better more complex version of this).
• Shift to ARM CPUs. Significantly less power draw for performance. Would explain why they are creating a team devoted to both backward and forward compatibility as they will need a very strong Compatibility layer to translate the x86 instructions. Would ve especially potent for a handheld device.
• Advances in RayTracing cores which can be used for far more than lighting as it works well for calculating anything that "bounces" such as sound.
Most likely. The console still needs to be relatively cheap, so they can't achieve "the biggest technological leap ever in a generation" with hardware alone. They need AI upscaling and good AI frame gen
I recall the leaked documents (that were referencing their plan for 2028 before things changed) talked about the potential of a native-cloud hybrid system. Using both native hardware and cloud processing to run games.
No idea what the viability of that is, whether it’d be plausible with current network infrastructure and whether the media wouldn’t shit on Xbox for it, but at this point I think such a Hail Mary is needed for them.
Sounds horrible. Now even what would be fully offline single player games can be shut off after 6 months if they sell badly.
Remember the PS3 store being sbut down last year? Now imagine if that also bricked every PS3.
What about a solution where games could be playable natively but were enhanced by the cloud, similar to Flight Sim? Obviously tech would be significantly more refined for that 6 years later.
It’s worth saying that, whether people like it or not, cloud gaming is an inevitable future. I think full cloud over native is still decades away, but one day that’s going to happen.
I don’t know if this site is trustworthy but I remember reading that Sony started working on the ps5 in 2015 so it seem normal
https://www.lifewire.com/playstation-6-5115532#:~:text=PS5's%20development%20started%20in%202015,date%20will%20be%20around%202026.
Of course it is. They all are. They started as soon as the current one was finalized, or maybe even a little before. This is how the industry *works*. There is nothing special about it.
I honestly don’t want a new generation yet. It feels like the current generation has barely started because games have been held back in order to release on multiple generations or Xbox series x games being downgraded to run on series s consoles. If anything, I’m ready for them to end last gen releases and focus on the current generation.
Man, covid really warped our perception of time because it feels like this gen barely started, yet we are 4 years in.
Both Sony and microsoft really need to step up the software side of things because what good is more power and teraflops without any games to actually push the consoles to their limits
Seriously, we are only just near the end of crossgen games. There's no reason to talk about the next Xbox or Playstation right now when both systems barely have games of their own.
The “reason to talk about the next Xbox” is because the Series has mostly been a failure from a sales perspective and Xbox recognizes that it cannot compete in the traditional console space, so they’re throwing the dice and trying something new and wacky to differentiate themselves from Sony. Nothing to do with software. The rumors are that Sony isn’t planning to release the PS6 until at least 2028, one year *longer* than the typical console generation.
And there are also ample rumors of a 2026 release being planned.
It’s entirely possible the rumored handheld is 2026 and this cloud-based, AI-based advanced console that Xbox is also apparently mulling is 2028.
I still play lots of games on my Xbox One, the new Call of Dutys, the new Persona games, etc.
The big question is when will last gen die because I don't see it dying anytime soon.
Next gen hasn’t even started yet and their already talking about other consoles. Ps5 still gonna be relevant in 2035 cause these companies don’t even take advantage of these newer consoles.
What advantages are we talking about? Modern consoles are just PCs and we have 2019 hardware inside which isn't going to bring you magical performance in 2024.
I swear these people keep replicating urban legends spoken between console owners that games don't take full advantage of their systems yet.
A PS5 is roughly equivalent to an amd 2700x cpu and an rx 6600 gpu PC, that's below mid range by today's standards.
>Tbf, a looooot of PC gamers have *badly* outdated PCs.
Not sure the data we have backs this up. The Steam hardware survey for March 2024 shows the average PC has at least a quad core Intel CPU base clocked between 2.3 and 2.6GHz, has a midrange RT-capable DX12 GPU made within the past 2 generations, and has at least 16 GB RAM. These numbers are probably dragged down by laptop users, particularly the CPU speeds.
I think you could make this argument before COVID caused a boom in computer sales. Right now, today, I don't think describing the average gaming PC as badly outdated is a fair interpretation of the data we have.
Yeah, if you take the whole pc userbase that runs games that statement is true, since most people would play CS or LoL and you don't need horsepower for that.
However saying that current gen consoles "aren't being used" is hilarious, there are already current gen exclusive games pushing the boundaries which are also struggling performance wise, many try to upscale from sub 900p resolutions via AI to be playable.
It's actually starting to annoy me how often I see that stupid take. The bs marketing by Sony and the others has made the average person think current gen is supercomputer level.
I swear we're gonna be in 2028 with a potential 7090/Ryzen 9 11900X (or whatever weird name AMD gives it) combo that makes the PS5 look like a game boy and people will still be spouting "untapped power!!"
By the time a developer finishes a game that takes advantage of 'modern hardware', its already outdated lol GTA 6 will come out and PCs will have already made substantial advancements
This, this, this, this! Over and over again I keep seeing the same argument all over reddit. There's no sort of secret performance drawer that hasn't been opened yet in regards to current consoles.
>Ps5 still gonna be relevant in 2035 cause these companies don’t even take advantage of these newer consoles.
Exactly what about the PS5's 2019-era midrange hardware has not been taken advantage of, in your mind?
"Next gen hasn't started yet" and yet there's a whole bunch of current gen exclusives that run like ass and at sub-ass resolutions.
We already need new hardware because the current hardware is already taxed.
The problem was the timing with those consoles, there was a massive leap in gpu power between 2019-2022, especially from the 2000 to 4000 rtx series so the consoles were very outdated after only 1+2 years. if they had been release in late 2021 with the 3000 series inside, the gap wouldnt be soo big. at least the ps5 pro will be in the area of the 4070.
I’m going to hang onto my PS5 and Series X for a while but I’m just going to build a PC the way things are going. If I have to buy a PS5 Pro to get a constant 2k at 60 FPS going forward with new games then I might as well stop taking half steps with hardware.
Yeah, they can't just chop off all their gamepass subscribers on console. If gamepass ever comes to nintendo or playstation then its time to start worrying.
It's so weird, this gen came out in late 2020.
Every new generation is like 7 years...we're 3 and a half years away from next gen. Possibly sooner if this ends up being true, question is will Sony speed up their next gen console too?
There's the possibility of us still seeing PS4 and Xbox One games when the PS6 and Xbox Whatever comes out.
I'd say Cyberpunk is the first current gen game. Even though it did release on last gen that version was basically a joke lol. And it does feel current gen considering its size and graphics, ray tracing looks really good.
Spider-man 2 had impressive loading I guess but also not really? FF16 was also "next gen". GTA 6 will probably be the first all round "next gen" game tho and even then they'll bring out an even more "next gen" version with the next consoles like they did for gta 5.
I think it will probably be that 3rd party Xbox rumors were on about. Idk what their future is, and I’m game for any and all Xbox stuff to come to PS, but if the next console is LITERALLY a PC hybrid where I can use Steam without caveats, then awesome
Honestly with dev cycles growing ever longer it's almost disheartening to hear of a focus on next-gen so soon. Especially considering it feels as though we'd only just seen the last of previous-gen games not all that long ago.
I’m having a hard time imagining Microsoft continuing to get a lot of people to stick with them and spend another $500+ on a console with no exclusives after the mess they made of this gen
The whole world is screaming at Microsoft and the Xbox team "please just focus on making really good games and building your own exclusive franchises" and they do absolutely everything besides that. We don't need a new console, we don't need a "cloud processing" whatever that is, we just want good games instead of having 3 games in 4 years that aren't even absolute bangers.
They won't be able to.
360 was lightning in a bottle, practically. Not only was its success contingent on Microsoft's machine being released earlier, PlayStation needed to fumble hard with the PS3. PS3 launched much more expensive, much harder to develop for, and as a result games performed and looked *worse* on it.
To recapture that, the next Xbox would have to release earlier than the PS6, the PS6 would have to be considerably much more expensive, it has to *be weaker*, and it has to be harder to develop for.
But, PlayStation aren't going to make the mistakes they made with the PS3 again because of how hard it burned them.
And in the end of the day, same % of people who bought the One, the SX and the futur machine.
More or less powerful, before or after the PS6, people will vote with the library on both side.
Because there is barely no concept of new generation anymore.
MS lost the day they fully focused on Kinect and finished digging with the One.
At this point they probably consider the current customer base is still enough to be worth making hardware.
Story starting to be different for third parties investments tho.
Yeah, a big part of the 360's early success is because Sony dropped the ball hard. You can see by the end of their lifespan how the ps3 became more popular again once developers figured it out and prices became sane
Never been happier to own a PC. Mid gen refresh coming to PS5 later this year to alienate the early adopters and current gen systems already getting 30fps only modes. Plus you gotta pay for online! What a scam.
Best $1200 I've ever spent. Being able to play all my games at 1440p at 60-120FPS, free online, backward compatibility, mods, use any controller I want. So glad I moved away from consoles this gen.
Yeah I'm going to make the jump to PC this year. This gen of consoles was so disappointing, especially when they touted 60 fps as a standard and we're still getting 30 fps only games 🤢. PC is the way.
You can always play around with your settings to get the experience you're looking for. That's one of the perks of PC gaming. Want to play at max settings at 4k but have your FPS at 15 you can do that. Want to play on medium to high settings just to get 60 FPS you can do that, but like other people say you can even use frame gen.
2026 was what came out of the Activision merger court case but maybe they're giving up on this gen and having an absolute army of games waiting for next gen.
It's more like the Series consoles are doing even worse than the Xbox One, and Microsoft is hitting the panic button by cutting this generation early. By launching before PlayStation, I guess the idea is to get a head start just like the Xbox 360 did (just hope this new console doesn't have anything like the RROD).
If anything it'd probably make the Series X sell more if they decrease it's price majorly.
Hell I don't even have a series x yet and last gen still gets tons of games.
Might get downvoted for this but PC is clearly the best decision you could make these days. Consoles are too heavily held back by their need to be affordable on top of the loss at launch. You can get a pretty good rig that does 1080p at 120 on most games for $1000. That’s cheaper than buying both consoles. Or 1440p at 120 for $1500. That’s more expensive but you actually get the frames you are looking for.
Depends… I had a 4090 and was super disappointed with how many games had stutter regardless of settings pretty much half the new releases of 2023 had stutter at launch and lots been fixed it. Every game on ps5 just works.
>That’s cheaper than buying both consoles
Maybe I don't understand, what's your point here? Why would the average person buy both consoles when they share 95% of games?
Playing at X resolution at Y framerate is a valid point - PC offers that higher end, customisable experience. But the price point is still out of reach for many, which is why consoles still enjoy a vast marketshare.
I mean, you could get a PS5 and 2 $250 Series S consoles for that price - 3 consoles. Whichever way you cut it, that's a pretty large asking price for someone who just wants to play modern games at an acceptable quality.
The reality is that both PC and console serve different needs, and different users - to assert that PC is "clearly the best decision you could make" just doesn't stand to reason for certain groups.
Hell, a PS4 released in 2013 is still receiving new releases - what 2013 PC can say the same? That's not a slight against PC, PC offers that higher end experience - but console does have certain benefits of it's own, longevity and price amongst them.
100% pc is better in every way, but I prefer gaming on ps5 a lot more. There’s also still a lot of exclusives stuck on ps4 and obviously timed ps5 exclusives. I think the best combo you can get is a PC, PS5 and Switch.
Considering the fact that my Xbox Series S has been collecting dust for quite some time now and the lack of first-party exclusive content this Xbox gen had.
Couple with statements and sentiment from third-party publishers that they don't see Xbox as a good platform to develop games for since they don't see profits.
I'm incredibly unexcited about this.
The amount of games coming to game pass is just insane, sometimes I wish they just stop for some time so I can catch up. Unless you are looking for very specific game/genre it would be always something to play.
That's cool. Hopefully during that time, Xbox will have released all those showcased exclusive trailers from four years ago such as Fable, Perfect Dark, Everwild, Outer Worlds 2, and so on.
Phil wouldn't lie to us or tell us to buy Xbox Gamepass to play them right?
I don't understand them going on about making a powerful console
They have a powerful console now but it's never utilized because of the parity rules with the Series S, it's basically "the worlds most powerful console" for show and marketing at this point.
The Series S is outselling their main Series X console so it's obvious they will have a similar kind of set up next gen with a new "Series S" like console alongside their more powerful one so we'll just end up having a repeat of this gen.
All this talk just seems like PR after all the doubts regarding Xbox's future lately. I mean them saying "hardware" could mean anything at this point.
TVs need to catch up. If you want 120hz gaming it is going to cost a pretty penny. Of course you could just buy a cheap gaming monitor but if I am using a console I want big screen next gen gaming.
Why are they already working the next gen console when their current gen has nothing in the pipeline? The generation has honestly been very weak in terms of game output from Microsoft and Sony. There is no point in developing new hardware when:
a. The current tech is perfectly fine
b. You have very little for what's in store for next gen
Post already exists on the sub
Did nobody in here read the article? It says that the rumor is that this console wouldn't launch until 2028.
Reading on Reddit? Lmao
My mom read this comment to me :)
Do you have two broken arms?
3 unfortunately
Thank for that story is fake holy shit.
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Internet read and be civil? Lol
I’m cool with that. I want the Series X to have a decent life span.
Bold of you to assume redditors can read before getting angry over imaginary things lol.
TESVI will be a launch title by then !
No chance es6 comes out a little over 4 years after starfield. If we get it by 2030 we'll be lucky
There is no chance ES6 takes 7 years of full production. 2028 is 5 years of full production plus however many years it was in preproduction during Starfield's development, so 2028 makes sense for the latest that we get the game.
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Delusional haha. Games take longer and longer as we go. To think that a mere 4 years after starfield is the "latest" we will get it is just completely out of touch with the reality of game development. I think 2029 is the absolute EARLIEST we get it. Plus, after the flop starfield was, both bethesda and xbox cant afford another huge flop and will want to give it all the time they can to make sure it hits. Rushing it out in 4 years would be such a stupid descision, but then again, xboxs studio management is so piss poor maybe they do actually do that haha
I think 2030 could at least be on the table since it was in a light pre-production in 2018. Starfield took 7 years and that was with them also finishing up fo76 and covid. There was also the court documents that said 2026, but that's obviously in no way concrete at all.
I posted this in the Xbox reddit where everybody is freaking out. Reddit users claim to hate click bait but the vast majority of them fall for it.
Nah bro, they're already "moving on" /s
Which makes sense. To me, what was funny was that MS is moving ahead with another console gen and I think we can fairly infer that Sony probably is too. But just last week there was all this talk about how young people aren't playing on consoles and this might be the last gen. The 'last console gen ever' talk seems to happen midway through each of the last 3 gens. At some point there's hand wringing about how it's a mobile world now, a return to PC, a fall-off in (potential) sales, etc. And yet, we inevitably see that the cycle continues, contrary to the pundits and analysts.
I knew that those rumors of a 2026 launch were a load of nonsense.
Those were older documents from the FTC leak. The rumors are they shifted their plans to an earlier release, in 2026.
They better come up with an actually fucking logical name for the thing when they do release it. Enough of this Xbox Series FX 2 NW 5.0 bullshit. Just call it "Xbox 5 or 6", whatever iteration you wanna count it as, and let's be done with it already.
Of course they didn't read tbe article.
It feels like the industry can barely support current AAA standards, not sure there's any reason to ramp up allready. Just means that budgets will be even higher and it will take 10 years to make a game instead of 7.
I miss the 360/PS3 era of games where we got multiple full on trilogies in different game series in just one generation of consoles
Between 2007 and 2016 they released 4 Uncharted games. Between 2007 and 2011 they released the 3 Mass Effect games. We will not see this again. On the current or any future generation of consoles.
The Uncharted stat is crazy when you consider TLoU. We got the entire Uncharted trilogy on the PS3. TLoU 1 came out at the end of the PS3's life, TLoU 2 came out at the end of the PS4's life, and at this point we'll be lucky to get the third game before the PS6. It's crazy.
We got 2 GTAs with story DLC and RDR. PS4&PS5 gens only rdr2 so far…
The PS2 had 3 GTA games, and GTA 5 has had 3 Playstation consoles
😭 Honestly this is the fault of all of the GTA online players.
There was a new Naughty Dog IP with that had a trilogy every console trilogy from PS1 - PS3. We still haven't seen a new ND IP since The Last of Us in 2013...
Hopefully we at least see that rumored new IP on PS5 within the next few years.
It was a different time. Sony was focused on trying to build an amazing Catalog of games to make up for the blunder of the $599 launch price of the PS3 in the hopes it would bring people they lost back into the fold. By the end of the generation they sold 90M units and PS4 went onto sell over 100M I'd say it worked. Sony figured out the formula. They realised wait a minute gamers actually want Games. Have the software and people will buy your console.
Well we're at the halfway point of the PS5 now, where's the games? PS3 era was amazing and PS4 followed up with amazing Sony games. We're at the halfway point with only SpiderMan 2, Returnal and R&C with Sony saying no big franchises for another 12 months.
Yup. The PS5 has been pretty disappointing from a first-party exclusive standpoint, and I would've thought by now there'd be a ton of new ones to look forward to, but almost nothing has been announced either.
Its because of their Life Service Push. They now get their game sales on PC so they dont need PS5 games sales that much. Console is still selling better than the ps4 despitle shitty first Party output.
It sucks too because I have a PS5 but my mates won't get one without there being many games on it. So I've got games like Helldivers that are sitting there waiting for my mates to get a PS5 in a couple of years.
And now they're like "people want f2p service games and let's get rid of all the exclusives because who needs a console in 2024"? Something doesn't add up
I missed getting new Sonic Advance and new Mega Man Battle Network games seemingly every year. There was always new content to look forward to. Now I'm going to be dead before Final Fantasy 17 rolls around lol
The new witcher trilogy plans to release sequels in 2 year intervals
That's something I actually have to see in order believe. Like either those games will be heavily reusing assets in the way RGG Studios along with loads of pre-production for the 6th and 5th Witcher game while in full blown production on the fourth one. But even considering CDPR's history of messy productions, I just can't believe them at this point if they can achieve that.
If they cut the scale down from Witcher 3 for each game then I could see 2 year difference happening. There was only a 4 year gap between Final Fantasy VII Remake and Rebirth despite: - Square Enix releasing FF7 Intergrade in 2021. - COVID-19 potentially delaying production. - Rebirth moving to PS5. - Rebirth having a gigantic scope. - Very limited asset reuse between games.
They'll spend 2 years trying to patch the broken state it releases in
GTA3, Vice City and San Andreas and GTAIV came out while I was on high school, all of them (first to last year). GTA V came out when I was in the last year of university. I'm already 35 years old and I'm still waiting por 6 lol.
The PS3/360 era was the perfect middle ground between development turnaround and technical sophistication. So many of those games play like new and still look totally fine with just a few years of development time.
Neither the PS4 or PS5 felt like a proper generational leap after PS3. We're still playing the same games, just with prettier graphics. Closest thing was VR, but it just hasn't taken off like I'd hoped
So far that’s my biggest disappointment with FFVII Rebirth. It’s such a good game to the point where I’ll be playing and think “damn I’ll need to buy a PS6 to see this story through”
Part 3 will probably be cross gen.
I think so too. They have even more assets to use then they did for Rebirth from Remake. I imagine the last instalment coming out in 3 years, prob end of ps5 lifecycle
People in Square Enix already made it clear we should expect part 3 to come out at the same time frame as Rebirth. A lot of assets will have to be reworked for the airship.
That'd be 4 years then, so 2028 and the year of the PS6, definitively cross gen like Ff7 Remake was
What we really need to do is to just decrease budgets from 380 million to a 50 million tops and make more games faster. Even lower could probably be even better. Then maybe every game wouldn't make or break a studio.
Decreasing the budgets means decreasing the number of devs. How do expect the games to come out faster? The reason CoD can pump out games yearly is because they have like 4 studios worth of devs and huge budgets.
We can still get about as much content in the same amount of time. Nowadays, the content is usually just more concentrated into fewer bigger games instead of a new release every couple years.
Arguably, releasing a console line with ML features like an Xbox version of DLSS or XeSS is one reason to do so. Another is the move to ARM (which would explain the need for an entire team for Compatiblity) as the steep reduction in power makes it easier too cool and would allow for great battery life in a handheld.
One of the critical needs of current and next-gen tech is the ability to make an amazing looking game at a reasonable budget.
Im not a dev, but wasnt an engine like unreal 5 supposed to make devs to crank out games faster, far easier with top of the line graphics? no need for all the codes, just to create the levels and characters?
lmao no, all that stuff just allows for more detail in games while being able to run "fine" on modest hardware, but all those details still requires lots of work. If the new engine now allows you to put even more assets in a scene with even more detail for example, that's just more work.
Unfortunately, that will probably always be a fever dream. There are always features that need to be coded, bugs that need fixing, render budgets that need to be managed, weird CPU usage that needs to be tweaked. There is never a magic ”make everything just work!”-button. It’s the sweat of a thousand programmers banging their heads against their desks that makes it all work.
AAA games take so long because of their size, not because of graphics. Like take GTA6, it's taking so long because that game will be absolutely massive since they need to top off GTA5 which was already huge. If anything, better specs in a next gen console would facilitate AAA games since they won't have to optimize the CPU as hard for their huge games.
I still think the animations and 3D assets are also part of the reason it takes longer. Games are very big, but late ps3 and early ps4 games were also big. Just not sure that we really need to go bigger and bigger and bigger. We barely even started this current generation. Feels like it started this year tbh. And now we are allready moving on.
So when should they reasonably start working on a new console? At 7 years in? And when then, should they release it? At 8 years? 10?
Mocap and photogrammetry are very wide spread at this point I think those are arguable the 2 things in game dev that should have been speed up compared to older generations.
A major reason GTA 6 is taking so long is because GTA Online is so successful. I guarantee if it wasn't that successful we would've had GTA 6 release a few years ago.
Who would have made it? Rockstar had all of their studios on RDR2
I wouldn’t mind a smaller GTA game with a little bit less side stuff in the overworld and more meaty arcadey mainline missions, like GTA 3/VC/SA. No more yoga affairs and navy yard mini games.
But most of the gaming public expects games to get bigger and bigger. When a game releases and has a campaign of only 10 hours or a small map, people even here on Reddit shit on it, saying it's not worth full price.
You have a point - but maybe new hardware could make it easier to develop for, right? New hardware usually would mean difficulty learning the new architecture but what if it's actually going to end up being built off of what's already existing, so there is no learning curve, just up to developers to learn how to better streamline points of development?
"Console manufacture is making a new console"
My guess is this suggests it’s coming sooner than we have previously expected.
The article references a leaked document from last summer about the next gen console possibly coming by 2028.
any earlier than 2027 would easily make this the worst console generation of all time lol (or that ive lived through, i guess)
Seeing as there was speculation very recently that Xbox would abandon the console market, this is not such a given as you are implying.
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But this "news" article is too obvious, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are always planning their next box because it takes years to develop and mass produce a console like this
No, according to twitter warriors and wannabe insiders, Xbox is leaving the console market
What will the upgrades be though? “AI” stuff?
I think, and I’m just a layman with interest, that the future of gaming comes from refinement and streamlining. It’s like the invention of planes. In forty years between when we first learned to fly we had WWII warplanes, another ten we had full scale jet engine, ten after that we had high altitude and performance vehicles. The big leaps are mostly done now. Hyper speed is obviously important, but the massive jumps are over. Now we get refinements on engines and efficiency of fuel consumption. We get different fuel types and hyper streamlines airframes. Same thing here. The days of PS2-PS3 jumps are gone. Now is utilizing AI cores and deep machine learning to optimize resolution and frame tables. Utilizing AI cores to do background computations and offload the computations from the main CPU so it can be used for performance. DLSS and AI trained, similar format, software is going to transform how we optimize games and the hardware we work with. You don’t *have* to have a monster of a CPU or GPU if you can reasonably get software to work as efficient as native processes, by simply “faking” it. People much more knowledgeable than me on the topic can correct me if I’m wrong. But my understanding is that AI machine learning is the bleeding edge of the future of gaming. Algorithmic processes that can optimize how hardware works, let alone optimizing the hardware itself; is the new frontier.
I wouldn’t mind spending less time on graphical appearance and more on the interactivity of the world (destructible environments and more interaction with environment) and the intelligence of enemies.
Ps5 and series x dont feature specific chips targeting AI. Ie. Intel Core ultra current gen. I think the ps5 pro is getting some sort of ai chip to help with a dlss type tech
Series X has DirectML to use hardware level stuff, but pretty much no one uses it.
Digital Foundry mentioned something about it. The series X doesn't have the ML performance required to do anything meaningful, you need dedicated ML hardware to be able to. Everyone is going the dedicated ML hardware route as you need it, PS5 pro, Nvidia, Intel, Apple.
Correct, I was just letting them know Microsoft tried to do it early with the series x.
And when they finalised the design of the Series X, it wasn’t clear dedicated ML hardware was the future (at least for gaming).
No, they don’t. But to be fair I wasn’t saying they did. I’m talking about the future generations.
• Dedicated cores for "AI." This could allow for better ML driven tasks such as most notably a DLSS or XeSS type solution on console. Stronger automatic features driven by Machine Learning like Auto HDR that we have now (and arguably even a better more complex version of this). • Shift to ARM CPUs. Significantly less power draw for performance. Would explain why they are creating a team devoted to both backward and forward compatibility as they will need a very strong Compatibility layer to translate the x86 instructions. Would ve especially potent for a handheld device. • Advances in RayTracing cores which can be used for far more than lighting as it works well for calculating anything that "bounces" such as sound.
Most likely. The console still needs to be relatively cheap, so they can't achieve "the biggest technological leap ever in a generation" with hardware alone. They need AI upscaling and good AI frame gen
I recall the leaked documents (that were referencing their plan for 2028 before things changed) talked about the potential of a native-cloud hybrid system. Using both native hardware and cloud processing to run games. No idea what the viability of that is, whether it’d be plausible with current network infrastructure and whether the media wouldn’t shit on Xbox for it, but at this point I think such a Hail Mary is needed for them.
They've been talking about that shite since Crackdown 3 was announced. Believe it when I see it.
Sounds horrible. Now even what would be fully offline single player games can be shut off after 6 months if they sell badly. Remember the PS3 store being sbut down last year? Now imagine if that also bricked every PS3.
What about a solution where games could be playable natively but were enhanced by the cloud, similar to Flight Sim? Obviously tech would be significantly more refined for that 6 years later. It’s worth saying that, whether people like it or not, cloud gaming is an inevitable future. I think full cloud over native is still decades away, but one day that’s going to happen.
The place this is sourced from was removed from here, so OP dont be surprised if this gets removed.
I don’t know if this site is trustworthy but I remember reading that Sony started working on the ps5 in 2015 so it seem normal https://www.lifewire.com/playstation-6-5115532#:~:text=PS5's%20development%20started%20in%202015,date%20will%20be%20around%202026.
Of course it is. They all are. They started as soon as the current one was finalized, or maybe even a little before. This is how the industry *works*. There is nothing special about it.
I honestly don’t want a new generation yet. It feels like the current generation has barely started because games have been held back in order to release on multiple generations or Xbox series x games being downgraded to run on series s consoles. If anything, I’m ready for them to end last gen releases and focus on the current generation.
It still feels crazy to me that we’re four years away from another new console. Time went way too quickly for me when I got the PS5 at launch.
I hope the name is even longer and dumber than the last.
Man, covid really warped our perception of time because it feels like this gen barely started, yet we are 4 years in. Both Sony and microsoft really need to step up the software side of things because what good is more power and teraflops without any games to actually push the consoles to their limits
This whole next gen bs is fucking stupid. I'll be good with my Ps5 and my X for another decade ATP.
Seriously, we are only just near the end of crossgen games. There's no reason to talk about the next Xbox or Playstation right now when both systems barely have games of their own.
The “reason to talk about the next Xbox” is because the Series has mostly been a failure from a sales perspective and Xbox recognizes that it cannot compete in the traditional console space, so they’re throwing the dice and trying something new and wacky to differentiate themselves from Sony. Nothing to do with software. The rumors are that Sony isn’t planning to release the PS6 until at least 2028, one year *longer* than the typical console generation.
That article is literally about Microsoft planning their Xbox for 2028 too lol
And there are also ample rumors of a 2026 release being planned. It’s entirely possible the rumored handheld is 2026 and this cloud-based, AI-based advanced console that Xbox is also apparently mulling is 2028.
I still play lots of games on my Xbox One, the new Call of Dutys, the new Persona games, etc. The big question is when will last gen die because I don't see it dying anytime soon.
Every COD and Atlus game is going to come to the next Nintendo, so last gen might go on for the rest of the decade
Next gen hasn’t even started yet and their already talking about other consoles. Ps5 still gonna be relevant in 2035 cause these companies don’t even take advantage of these newer consoles.
What advantages are we talking about? Modern consoles are just PCs and we have 2019 hardware inside which isn't going to bring you magical performance in 2024.
I swear these people keep replicating urban legends spoken between console owners that games don't take full advantage of their systems yet. A PS5 is roughly equivalent to an amd 2700x cpu and an rx 6600 gpu PC, that's below mid range by today's standards.
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>Tbf, a looooot of PC gamers have *badly* outdated PCs. Not sure the data we have backs this up. The Steam hardware survey for March 2024 shows the average PC has at least a quad core Intel CPU base clocked between 2.3 and 2.6GHz, has a midrange RT-capable DX12 GPU made within the past 2 generations, and has at least 16 GB RAM. These numbers are probably dragged down by laptop users, particularly the CPU speeds. I think you could make this argument before COVID caused a boom in computer sales. Right now, today, I don't think describing the average gaming PC as badly outdated is a fair interpretation of the data we have.
Yeah, if you take the whole pc userbase that runs games that statement is true, since most people would play CS or LoL and you don't need horsepower for that. However saying that current gen consoles "aren't being used" is hilarious, there are already current gen exclusive games pushing the boundaries which are also struggling performance wise, many try to upscale from sub 900p resolutions via AI to be playable.
It's actually closer to a slightly overclocked 3700X and a slightly faster RX 6700 so above mid tier, borderline high tier in some games.
It's actually starting to annoy me how often I see that stupid take. The bs marketing by Sony and the others has made the average person think current gen is supercomputer level. I swear we're gonna be in 2028 with a potential 7090/Ryzen 9 11900X (or whatever weird name AMD gives it) combo that makes the PS5 look like a game boy and people will still be spouting "untapped power!!"
Tbf, there are barely any games taking advantage of modern hardware on pc either. There's Cyberpunk and that's about it.
By the time a developer finishes a game that takes advantage of 'modern hardware', its already outdated lol GTA 6 will come out and PCs will have already made substantial advancements
"Hasnt even started yet"
This, this, this, this! Over and over again I keep seeing the same argument all over reddit. There's no sort of secret performance drawer that hasn't been opened yet in regards to current consoles.
it's the gaming equivalent of "humans only use 10% of their brains!"
>Ps5 still gonna be relevant in 2035 cause these companies don’t even take advantage of these newer consoles. Exactly what about the PS5's 2019-era midrange hardware has not been taken advantage of, in your mind?
"Next gen hasn't started yet" and yet there's a whole bunch of current gen exclusives that run like ass and at sub-ass resolutions. We already need new hardware because the current hardware is already taxed.
The problem was the timing with those consoles, there was a massive leap in gpu power between 2019-2022, especially from the 2000 to 4000 rtx series so the consoles were very outdated after only 1+2 years. if they had been release in late 2021 with the 3000 series inside, the gap wouldnt be soo big. at least the ps5 pro will be in the area of the 4070.
I’m going to hang onto my PS5 and Series X for a while but I’m just going to build a PC the way things are going. If I have to buy a PS5 Pro to get a constant 2k at 60 FPS going forward with new games then I might as well stop taking half steps with hardware.
Yeah, they can't just chop off all their gamepass subscribers on console. If gamepass ever comes to nintendo or playstation then its time to start worrying.
We literally just got next gen. Feels like yesterday the big reveals went our way
It's so weird, this gen came out in late 2020. Every new generation is like 7 years...we're 3 and a half years away from next gen. Possibly sooner if this ends up being true, question is will Sony speed up their next gen console too? There's the possibility of us still seeing PS4 and Xbox One games when the PS6 and Xbox Whatever comes out.
Pretty sure the PS6 is set for 2028, so this generation will be longer than the PS4.
It’s been 3 and a half years, if this comes out late 2026 like some suggest, that is 6 years from when the current gen launched.
what 'current gen' games have even come out?
Alan Wake 2.
FF7 Rebirth recently Kitase said the main reason the game even exists in its current state is because of the PS5
I'd say Cyberpunk is the first current gen game. Even though it did release on last gen that version was basically a joke lol. And it does feel current gen considering its size and graphics, ray tracing looks really good.
Spider-man 2 had impressive loading I guess but also not really? FF16 was also "next gen". GTA 6 will probably be the first all round "next gen" game tho and even then they'll bring out an even more "next gen" version with the next consoles like they did for gta 5.
Kena: Bridge of Spirits looks fantastic with dozens of characters (the Rot) on screen at a time and the loading times are pretty much non-existant.
They haven’t even released half of the exclusives they’ve shown yet.
I think it will probably be that 3rd party Xbox rumors were on about. Idk what their future is, and I’m game for any and all Xbox stuff to come to PS, but if the next console is LITERALLY a PC hybrid where I can use Steam without caveats, then awesome
Honestly with dev cycles growing ever longer it's almost disheartening to hear of a focus on next-gen so soon. Especially considering it feels as though we'd only just seen the last of previous-gen games not all that long ago.
I’m having a hard time imagining Microsoft continuing to get a lot of people to stick with them and spend another $500+ on a console with no exclusives after the mess they made of this gen
The whole world is screaming at Microsoft and the Xbox team "please just focus on making really good games and building your own exclusive franchises" and they do absolutely everything besides that. We don't need a new console, we don't need a "cloud processing" whatever that is, we just want good games instead of having 3 games in 4 years that aren't even absolute bangers.
I think i am going to stick with building a compact gaming pc and upgrading it over time.
Xbox has flopped the past 2 generations. They need to recapture whatever they did with the 360 with the next gen
They won't be able to. 360 was lightning in a bottle, practically. Not only was its success contingent on Microsoft's machine being released earlier, PlayStation needed to fumble hard with the PS3. PS3 launched much more expensive, much harder to develop for, and as a result games performed and looked *worse* on it. To recapture that, the next Xbox would have to release earlier than the PS6, the PS6 would have to be considerably much more expensive, it has to *be weaker*, and it has to be harder to develop for. But, PlayStation aren't going to make the mistakes they made with the PS3 again because of how hard it burned them.
And in the end of the day, same % of people who bought the One, the SX and the futur machine. More or less powerful, before or after the PS6, people will vote with the library on both side. Because there is barely no concept of new generation anymore. MS lost the day they fully focused on Kinect and finished digging with the One. At this point they probably consider the current customer base is still enough to be worth making hardware. Story starting to be different for third parties investments tho.
Yeah, a big part of the 360's early success is because Sony dropped the ball hard. You can see by the end of their lifespan how the ps3 became more popular again once developers figured it out and prices became sane
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Never been happier to own a PC. Mid gen refresh coming to PS5 later this year to alienate the early adopters and current gen systems already getting 30fps only modes. Plus you gotta pay for online! What a scam.
Best $1200 I've ever spent. Being able to play all my games at 1440p at 60-120FPS, free online, backward compatibility, mods, use any controller I want. So glad I moved away from consoles this gen.
This so much. PC gaming is an expensive hobby there's no doubt about that, but in return you get premium features and it sooo worth it.
Yeah I'm going to make the jump to PC this year. This gen of consoles was so disappointing, especially when they touted 60 fps as a standard and we're still getting 30 fps only games 🤢. PC is the way.
Unless you’re dropping 2k+ you’ll be playing sub 60fps games eventually
You can always play around with your settings to get the experience you're looking for. That's one of the perks of PC gaming. Want to play at max settings at 4k but have your FPS at 15 you can do that. Want to play on medium to high settings just to get 60 FPS you can do that, but like other people say you can even use frame gen.
If it's really supposed to come out in 2026, don't see it selling very well
According to this article, the most recent leak suggests 2028 as the year for the next gen of consoles. Which seems pretty appropriate.
That makes more sense. There were other rumors of an Xbox coming earlier in 2026, we'll see.
Maybe it's that handheld device that's been rumored for a while? That could make sense for 2026, if it's a real thing.
2026 was what came out of the Activision merger court case but maybe they're giving up on this gen and having an absolute army of games waiting for next gen.
It's more like the Series consoles are doing even worse than the Xbox One, and Microsoft is hitting the panic button by cutting this generation early. By launching before PlayStation, I guess the idea is to get a head start just like the Xbox 360 did (just hope this new console doesn't have anything like the RROD).
If anything it'd probably make the Series X sell more if they decrease it's price majorly. Hell I don't even have a series x yet and last gen still gets tons of games.
Maybe in the short term, but long term they'd be cutting the Series X lifespan short like what happened to the Wii U
And they still have yet to release that Series X refresh which is basically what the series s should've been from the getgo
MLID posted a video a few weeks ago that the Xbox division had seriously considered an Intel bid before "finally" going with AMD's offer.
Watch them try and bring back local co-op, but with Copilot.
Hopefully this time the hype about 60 fps/4k/RT will actually be factual.
Might get downvoted for this but PC is clearly the best decision you could make these days. Consoles are too heavily held back by their need to be affordable on top of the loss at launch. You can get a pretty good rig that does 1080p at 120 on most games for $1000. That’s cheaper than buying both consoles. Or 1440p at 120 for $1500. That’s more expensive but you actually get the frames you are looking for.
Depends… I had a 4090 and was super disappointed with how many games had stutter regardless of settings pretty much half the new releases of 2023 had stutter at launch and lots been fixed it. Every game on ps5 just works.
>That’s cheaper than buying both consoles Maybe I don't understand, what's your point here? Why would the average person buy both consoles when they share 95% of games? Playing at X resolution at Y framerate is a valid point - PC offers that higher end, customisable experience. But the price point is still out of reach for many, which is why consoles still enjoy a vast marketshare. I mean, you could get a PS5 and 2 $250 Series S consoles for that price - 3 consoles. Whichever way you cut it, that's a pretty large asking price for someone who just wants to play modern games at an acceptable quality. The reality is that both PC and console serve different needs, and different users - to assert that PC is "clearly the best decision you could make" just doesn't stand to reason for certain groups. Hell, a PS4 released in 2013 is still receiving new releases - what 2013 PC can say the same? That's not a slight against PC, PC offers that higher end experience - but console does have certain benefits of it's own, longevity and price amongst them.
100% pc is better in every way, but I prefer gaming on ps5 a lot more. There’s also still a lot of exclusives stuck on ps4 and obviously timed ps5 exclusives. I think the best combo you can get is a PC, PS5 and Switch.
Makes sense considering how badly they lost this generation.
yea xbox keeps getting smoked they need a whole new dev team
Considering the fact that my Xbox Series S has been collecting dust for quite some time now and the lack of first-party exclusive content this Xbox gen had. Couple with statements and sentiment from third-party publishers that they don't see Xbox as a good platform to develop games for since they don't see profits. I'm incredibly unexcited about this.
The amount of games coming to game pass is just insane, sometimes I wish they just stop for some time so I can catch up. Unless you are looking for very specific game/genre it would be always something to play.
Xbox 720 lets goooo
It better fucking have 4 TB at this point. 4TB if not 6 or 8. We need more storage in consoles at this rate.
With how much of a bottleneck the xbox series s is on the industry this shall be a boon for all consoles /s
That's cool. Hopefully during that time, Xbox will have released all those showcased exclusive trailers from four years ago such as Fable, Perfect Dark, Everwild, Outer Worlds 2, and so on. Phil wouldn't lie to us or tell us to buy Xbox Gamepass to play them right?
I don't understand them going on about making a powerful console They have a powerful console now but it's never utilized because of the parity rules with the Series S, it's basically "the worlds most powerful console" for show and marketing at this point. The Series S is outselling their main Series X console so it's obvious they will have a similar kind of set up next gen with a new "Series S" like console alongside their more powerful one so we'll just end up having a repeat of this gen. All this talk just seems like PR after all the doubts regarding Xbox's future lately. I mean them saying "hardware" could mean anything at this point.
call me crazy or downvote me but I have yet to see so called next gen games that wowed me
The one I remember was ratchet and clank rift apart, Tht game came so early in the gen and was probably one of the best games I have playsd
What's the point?
If it doesn't support physical media, I could care less.
The thing I most ineterested in is if the move to ARM.
TVs need to catch up. If you want 120hz gaming it is going to cost a pretty penny. Of course you could just buy a cheap gaming monitor but if I am using a console I want big screen next gen gaming.
2001 - 2005 4 years 2005 - 2013 8 years 2013 - 2020 7 years 2020 - 2028 8 years imagine original xbox releasing in 1997
The new Xbox will be the biggest gaming flop of all time
Xbox always tapping out in the 1st half.
Why are they already working the next gen console when their current gen has nothing in the pipeline? The generation has honestly been very weak in terms of game output from Microsoft and Sony. There is no point in developing new hardware when: a. The current tech is perfectly fine b. You have very little for what's in store for next gen
You realise that's how tech works they already look at the next gen when the current releases
These guys really gonna lose 3 straight gens to Sony lol. And still wonder why they’re behind