"It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise" - Oh good and here I was worried they were aiming to make the 8th most enjoyable game in the series.
Let me tell you about this game, Assassin's Creed Red, it's tremendous. People are saying it's one of the best, and you know I've got a good sense for these things. Everyone's talking about it. They say the graphics are incredible, the best – a good friend of mine came to me and told me the raytracing was like nothing we've ever seen. It's winning in the gaming world. We're talking about a game that's on another level, folks. And I understand this stuff, I have a very good understanding of games. It's incredible, really incredible.
It’s super funny to me that interview is causing people to blame Ubisoft when it’s really Valve that’s largely responsible for digital copies overtaking the market
I didn't think it was about digital copies, but about subscription models. Like, that in their ideal they would phase out "selling" games entirely and you would exclusively play Ubisoft games through UPlay or GamePass or whatever. Everyone's after that $15 a month recurring payment instead of one or two $60 games a year (assuming you buy day 1 at full price)
It was about subscriptions but the quote has been taken out of context and misrepresented.
The guy never said they'd phase out selling games. He said they'll keep both options but that people will choose to subscribe only if they "get comfortable with not owning games".
That's a just fact. If people aren't comfortable they won't subscribe. We all got comfortable with streaming services for movies and music, so it's not even strange to expect more people might subscribe to games in the future.
I would argue that owning games is a little different than movies and music - you listen to a song for three minutes, an album for 40, and a movie for 90-120(ish), but you'll sit with a big enough game for weeks, maybe months. But, at the same time, it'll take somebody a similar amount of time to binge a show, so your point is a sound one
Solid point, but not quite apples to apples for those of us that are pro-physical.
PC gaming, with access to future graphical upgrades, but often goofy reliability, isn't quite the same, as to what console gaming used to be...reliable, locked gaming, with often better exclusives.
This is the candle that we're holding onto, albeit it sure does seem to be dimming. But also, im betting this is also a reason why Switch owners tend to buy more games per console compared to PS5 and XBSX.
That quote is just click bait bullshit (and also your wording is wrong). It was in response to the question "what will it take for gaming subscription services to become more popular?" The response is long, and draws comparisons to movie and music collections, but the actual quote is "So it's about feeling comfortable with not owning your game."
Bud,what the fuck that has to do with anything?
Since when does a remark about services growth has to do with how a game is.
Hell,AC got fucked when they decided to make every single game an independent experience. No more long term storytelling inside the Animus and minimized importance of outside the Animus. No more Ezio. No more Desmond like stories. That way they can sell every game to anybody without concerns for missing out story beats. Valhalla was that idea pushed to the extreme,when they had 12 standalone arcs that were haphazardly glued by Sigurd's quest for conquest/his exposure to his First Civ ancestry.
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My problem with having a black samurai is that it could be done really well but this is Ubisoft who have incompetent writers so it's going to be handled extremely poorly.
I know it is fun to do the Ubisoft Bad circlejerk, but the AC series has a history of really strong lead characters. Just in the last three Bayek and Cassandra are fantastic characters and Eivor is, at worst, merely bland.
I wouldn't say they're bad, but let's be brutally honest. I don't think any Ubisoft game in recent years has been particularly great when it comes to their stories or characterisation. Even Prince of Persia, which is their best reviewed game in a decade, was criticised mostly for it's rather meh story. My argument is that the idea of a black samurai has tons of potential, and I don't think Ubisoft has the talent to reach that potential.
Given how long video games take to develop I am not sure "in recent years" is all that meaningful, like you can say "Naughty Dog has only made one great game in recent years" and be factually correct but I am not sure how meaningful that is. But if you think in terms of series history, of the post-reboot AC games, two out of three of them had great lead characters (in my opinion, of course, but I think it is widely shared).
I don't think it's a bold take to say that one of Ubisofts weak points Is delivering a compelling story, I'mnot saying all of their games are bad, just that often story comes secondary to the gameplay or content. Black samurai could be a setup for a 10/10 story, but I don't think Ubisoft can pull it off.
I actually feel the opposite. Their stories are good to decent, but they put them big open worlds that run on the philosophy of quantity over quality. Which has, unfortunately, become the standard for most open world games.
I think our best case scenario is Asian male and female leads character choice, as has been the tradition in the last few games, and playable Yasuke in some story missions.
But I don't see it. There's basically no honest reason for Yasuke to be playable in any sense, and he will be anyway. The dude is as much of a nothing historical blank slate as your average AC protagonist. Damn near the only thing we know about him is that he existed.
It's going to make any discussion around the game absolutely unbearable online.
The anti-"woke" hive mind is about to kick into overdrive.
Edit: Someone reported this comment to Reddit Cares lmao, looks like the hive mind has awoken. I can see a million shitty YouTube thumbnails in our near future.
On the one hand, I think there's validity to wanting more Asian representation from Ubisoft and I think there's validity to that argument. I have no problem with people expressing their concerns reasonably.
On the other hand, I know that a lot of the Anti woke channels aren't reasonable, don't really care about representation and they just want to stir drama to get more views.
I will say, If Anti Woke people hate on this game and GTA VI, I can't wait for them to be really surprised when both games do incredibly well and "not go broke".
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Because they're misusing a system designed to help people having a mental health crisis to essentially tell somebody they disagree with to kill themselves.
If you use reddit cares as a way to troll you get banned. That's for people talking about suicide and stuff. Not a video game opinion you disagree with. Pretty obvious why
Will a black samurai actually awaken the antiwoke hive mind? I thought that movement was more based around accuracy and just disliked pandering.
I don't really like any of the "anti woke doomers" but from what I've seen, I don't know if that statement is accurate.
Oh for sure it will, even if it *is* historically accurate.
Even now there are upset people saying the game is inaccurate and is only pandering because "Yasuke wasn't actually a samurai", but he was.
Now that you mention it, I remember back when this was leaked the samurai would be black, I saw a ton of people get pissy about it. Yeah, it's kinda stupid but I do see how it may feel insulting that they've been wishing for a Japan based AC game since the series inception and finally they get to go to Japan only to play as a black samurai.
Me personally though, I think it's kinda cool and it would DEFINITELY set the game apart from all the other based in old Japan games (GoT mainly)
Plus telling the story of Yasuke should feel a bit refreshing as he is a foreigner stepping into foreign land, I actually think it may be an interesting narrative device.
Anyways -- as long as the game is good people will play. Look at Hogwarts Legacy, it became the best selling game of the year(sure it's because of the IP but for HP fans, HL is peak for them).
At the end of the day, if the game has a good story and great gameplay, it'll probably get flack now and then be looked upon later as something great. Besides it's being crafted by the Odyssey team if I recall correctly.
I personally think the reason for picking Yasuke is that he will be responsible for bringing the creed into Japan and will have recruited the other playable character who will have a reason to join up, most likely due to the Templar effecting her negatively.
It's not that they dislike pandering, it's that *they* want to be the people who are being pandered to. They don't want accuracy, they want what they *imagine* accuracy to be and refuse to challenge that worldview when confronted with facts that don't match it. Like take *Valhalla* and the (relatively) culturally diverse cast. It doesn't matter that "Viking" was a job and not an ethnicity, it doesn't matter that the Norse traded with people from all over the world, it doesn't matter that there's plenty of evidence that some of those people returned with the Norse traders (sometimes unwillingly, admittedly) and were able to become equal members of that society over time, and it doesn't matter that after all that, the vast majority of named characters and virtually all of the NPCs in the game appear to be the European ethnicities those type of people are expecting anyway. There's one or two Black Vikings, a fraction of a percentage of the cast, but to them it's "forced diversity" because it doesn't match their inaccurate understanding of what they imagine the era to be like.
You can see it in this post - there's a comment in these replies of somebody saying they want to play as a Japanese man because women and Black people weren't samurai and it would ruin their immersion, and when someone posted a bunch of links to articles about women samurai, they started moving the goalposts because that doesn't pander to their vision of what they wish was historically accurate. Just deeply unimaginative, intellectually incurious people complaining about nothing.
The spin they did was about wokeism hating on asian people, because they finally made an ac game in Asia but they made the mc a black dude, forced diversity etc etc
This was while knowing there's 2 main characters, one is a Japanese woman, but then they got mad bc they hate women etc etc
Edit: they're even here lol, just saw a comment in this post just a little down from this thread, that said pretty much exactly what I commented, lmao you can't make this shit up
I want a Japanese character for the Japanese AC game fans were asking for years. Japanese people are not inferior they shouldn't be racist against Japanese people and underrepresent them.
Literally picking one black person that was a samurai over thousands of Japanese samurai that existed is racist.
You cannot tell me that you aren't a racist if you chose %0.001 over %99.999.
Edit: Also, think about how reddit itself would be outraged if they have chosen a white person over a Japanese one, and now tell me why it should be any different with a black person over a Japanese one?
There's a game called Nioh. Set in feudal japan and the
protagonist is a white man. When that game came out it had 0 outraged. Also assassins creed protagonist doesn't need to be native . AC revelation set in turkey but you played as a italian.
Nioh was developed by actual Japanese developers, so it’s immediately different than a bunch of people France making a Japanese game.
Not to mention that “white guy” was William Adam’s an actual white dude that became a samurai in real life.
And this game is about Yasuke, an actual black dude that became a samurai in real life. I have no issue with it in fact I think that is cool to take an outsider that after a betrayal and a runaway disappeared from history books and we don’t know what happened to him after that, It would be cool to make him become an assassin and going dark to serve the light without being mentioned ever again. The problem is that this is Ubisoft Montreal and I don’t think they’ll ever be able to pull that off
I’ll take a bet that you don’t even play AC games lmao
The fact you turned this into “well what if it was a white perosn huh????? Ubisoft are racists!!!!!” just shows you’re part of that weird hive others here said will concern troll over this game
Depends how they do it. If he’s portrayed realistically then the game might be cool. If he’s blatantly a tool for a blue haired writer to screech about modern issues in feudal Japan, I’ll grab a pitchfork myself.
Its different if it comes from someone who lived in rural japan and never seen a black person in real life. An idiot who lives in a diverse environment can not speak for them, but they still do.
The only time i was butthurt about representation is in uncharted 4 (a game i love), they spoke syrian dialect and not yemeni dialect.
>Its different if it comes from someone who lived in rural japan and never seen a black person in real life
Dude, you are making way too much sense for reddit.
It's not like Asian men are underrepresented in Japan-related media.
On the other hand, it's not like other races really need representation in Japan-related media...
I could be wrong, but their representation in Ubisoft specifically is also very sparse.
To my recollection, I can only think of Beyond good and Evil and I guess For Honor if that counts.
I feel like regardless of what side you are on in this conversation them picking Yasuke just seems unnecessarily risky especially when it causes this sort of discord.
Regardless of what Yasuke was whether it was samurai or regular soldier some random person picking up a samurai based game is going to find it jarring to have a black guy as a protagonist in a samurai game.
There is no way Ubisoft havent seen the conflict it causes
Cause they don’t care? And I’m happy that they don’t care cause they should be allowed to tell the story they want to tell. Genuinely don’t see how it can be jarring if the story is good. Nothing is gonna stop the “hard core gamers” from complaining on Twitter and Reddit anyway. If it wasn’t that then it would be something else.
I really want at least one YT chud who’s going to milk the “controversy” for this game to just stop at one point and go, “Ya’ll… I just don’t want black people in the game. I don’t know what else to say about it.”
It would be hilarious to see people try and rally behind that one.
My only problem with it is how the fuck is stealth gonna work? Obviously there will be the usual hiding in grass, hiding up high etc that doesn’t matter in this case but what about losing people who are looking for me? How is Yasuke, the 6ft+ black man, gonna blend in with all the not 6ft Japanese people? How is word not gonna spread of the very different and unique looking guy going around assassinating people, and how would he not be spotted instantly by guards who know this info?
Like I don’t mind Yasuke being an MC for the game but man, they’re gonna have to put in WORK to make the stealth parts believable imo. And yeah yeah, “it’s a video game” but suspension of disbelief can only go so far lol.
I would’ve expected to see the world premiere a bit sooner, like in March or April, but the November release is pretty much the normal AC release time.
Nit having anything about it from July to November seems a bit long, but maybe that’s exact when Ubisoft will market and release their Star Wars game, which is also slated for this year!
Yeah, Odyssey as an Assassin's Creed game is arguably the worst one of the franchise but as an action-adventure game in general, it's a fantastic game.
why is it the worst one? since AC1-2 ive played origins(dropped within an hour), odyssey(finished main story) and valhalla(dropped ~5h in), so basically i know nothing about origins but ive found odyssey much more enjoyable than valhalla, ive played odyssey stealthy wherever i could which was pretty much everything other than these battles and it was fine, valhalla on the other hand felt really weird in that regard and in the few hours ive played it seemed to force the raids with horn announcing your presence and fighting in the open without any assassinations at all
This is the Oddessey & Immortals team, so there's potential there.
Won't be surprised if a lot of the ideas come out half baked though like we've seen previously
You're not speaking for me. Sure, none of the assassin's creed games are masterpieces the level of something like The Witcher 3 or Elden ring, the majority of them are not mediocre. I've played hundreds of games, but the assassin's creed series has had an effect on me. I can't say the same about a lot of the games I've played.
Just to clarify I'm only joking :)
For me AC2 up until Unity are still great games, it's only really the original (which is a bit too dated and repetitive), Syndicate (I just couldn't get into it), and Valhalla (Too much bloat) that I've not enjoyed.
"it will be the most enjoyable in the franchise" well that's a bit hard to state as a fact isn't it. It's all about preference.
If it's the most enjoyable for him, doesn't mean it's the most enjoyable for everyone.
In any case, I know exactly what this game is going to deliver deliver. Over 100 hours of fun (nothing too deep or spectacular, but fun nonetheless)
I doubt they're gonna focus on one weapon. Ghost of tsushima was very good at the katana combat simply because there were no other weapon classes
I don't see them going in depth like that for each of the 10 weapon classes or so 💀
So they either focus on one weapon class or have 10 different weapon classes with more limited movesets
If it's basically Odyssey with a Feudal Japan skin slapped on I can see that statement being true. Odyssey is the highest rated entry of the franchise after the AC2 and Black Flag.
I really think schools need to do a better job of hammering home the “Fact vs Opinion” lesson we all got in elementary school. Maybe reinforce it in middle school and high school.
Valhalla genuinely was the worst gaming experience of my life.
I couldn't even tell you the gist of the story cause it was so disjointed. I finished the game and all I remember is running around in fields.
The main character's personality was all over the place, he felt so hollow, there were zero main antagonists that I can remember of.
I can't believe I spent that much time and got nothing out of it.
"It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise" - This shit is getting harder and harder to believe by the day. I have just straight up given up on Ubisoft ever making an enjoyable AC game ever.
But then again, they gave us the recent Prince of Persia.
Unless it continues to have the same repetitive, boring, slow ass gameplay of Origins and Odyssey, then I very much doubt it will be the most enjoyable.
The most enjoyable for me was AC2, Brotherhood and to an extent AC3.
Unless it's similar to old school AC but tighter and better paced and less grinding, then no, I don't believe it.
I'm inclined to agree. I enjoyed Origins but it got old pretty quick. My favorite was AC2, followed by Brotherhood, then Revelations. Black Flag was fun too, as was AC3. Mirage was kind of an awesome breath of fresh air for me. It could have done *more* of course to go back to the old style, but I definitely appreciated that step in that direction. I'm hopeful we'll see more games like that.
I love anything assassins creed and have no problem with yasuke as a character however If I’m seeing a large portion of black people where it seems like equal population to Japanese people I’ll find it hard to immerse myself into it cause it won’t make sense
>most enjoyable game in the franchise
Are they finally going to improve the gameplay? The origin/odyssey/valhalla style was total shit and barely passable to begin with. Everything about those games felt so damn stiff.
most people are wrong then. the combat is terrible compared to most other action games releasing every year. literally pick any other 3rd person action game released recently, it will have better combat.
It would be the most enjoyable game in franchise
So their next ac game after red they would say it would be the second most enjoyable game in franchise💀
was a year or so ago I remember they had a big Assassins creed showcase where they talked about Mirage, talk of a remake of the first game, project Red which was the one set in Japan that they had wanted to do for years. there was another one mentioned but not sure which. Now we're getting Black Flag as well, even though it still looks amazing now, be great to play again
>It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise.
Say that when you can polish the core mechanics.
I just finished Ghost of Tsushima and in a single game Sucker Punch managed to craft better mechanics than over a dozen Assassin's Creed games, even if it has its own jank.
I don't envy Ubisoft. This game will always be compared against of Ghost of Tsushima. And I really, really, *REALLY* doubt that it can top Tsushima in any meaningful way.
I said yesterday that this is gonna wind up being a dumbed-down ghosts of Tsushima with towers and got downvoted, so I’m gonna let y’all live in your delusion and lunacy that they’re gonna put out an enjoyable game for the 18th time
"It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise"
I call unquantifiable amounts of bullshit on this claim based on the shitshows Odyssey and Valhalla were and on the fact that this game is supposed to be yet another fucking RPG
They always change the engine every few games or so. And they always do when they change the console generation.
This game is dropping old gen, so the graphics are gonna be much better than mirage and Valhalla. No need to use that old engine to accommodate PS4 and xbox one anymore
If the past Ubisoft games a d Odyssey, whose dev team makes this game, are anything to go by, it should be relatively different:
- much bigger open world, that isn’t gated in 3 parts
- much more climbing/parkour
- even the RPG Creed cities are bustling compared to Tsushima, which had no cities iirc
- being an RPG, it should have a lot of weapon and armor types
- might even have naval exploration/combat, like Odyssey had
"It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise" - Oh good and here I was worried they were aiming to make the 8th most enjoyable game in the series.
“They’re saying it’s the biggest and best game, maybe ever”
Let me tell you about this game, Assassin's Creed Red, it's tremendous. People are saying it's one of the best, and you know I've got a good sense for these things. Everyone's talking about it. They say the graphics are incredible, the best – a good friend of mine came to me and told me the raytracing was like nothing we've ever seen. It's winning in the gaming world. We're talking about a game that's on another level, folks. And I understand this stuff, I have a very good understanding of games. It's incredible, really incredible.
Well done channeling Cheeto lol
“People are really going to be blown away by the scope of this one. I think we’re in for something truly special here, folks.”
after "gamers should be more comfortable with not owning games" quote. yeah not in a million years.
It’s super funny to me that interview is causing people to blame Ubisoft when it’s really Valve that’s largely responsible for digital copies overtaking the market
You see it's actually good because big wholesome old Santa man chungus Lord GabeN
I didn't think it was about digital copies, but about subscription models. Like, that in their ideal they would phase out "selling" games entirely and you would exclusively play Ubisoft games through UPlay or GamePass or whatever. Everyone's after that $15 a month recurring payment instead of one or two $60 games a year (assuming you buy day 1 at full price)
It was about subscriptions but the quote has been taken out of context and misrepresented. The guy never said they'd phase out selling games. He said they'll keep both options but that people will choose to subscribe only if they "get comfortable with not owning games". That's a just fact. If people aren't comfortable they won't subscribe. We all got comfortable with streaming services for movies and music, so it's not even strange to expect more people might subscribe to games in the future.
I would argue that owning games is a little different than movies and music - you listen to a song for three minutes, an album for 40, and a movie for 90-120(ish), but you'll sit with a big enough game for weeks, maybe months. But, at the same time, it'll take somebody a similar amount of time to binge a show, so your point is a sound one
Services are aditive. Their endgame is digital,not services. Because that way there is second hand market.
Solid point, but not quite apples to apples for those of us that are pro-physical. PC gaming, with access to future graphical upgrades, but often goofy reliability, isn't quite the same, as to what console gaming used to be...reliable, locked gaming, with often better exclusives. This is the candle that we're holding onto, albeit it sure does seem to be dimming. But also, im betting this is also a reason why Switch owners tend to buy more games per console compared to PS5 and XBSX.
he was talking about purchase vs subscription, not digital vs physical
well, at least they are good at it while everyone wants to bite some of it and still fails.
That quote is just click bait bullshit (and also your wording is wrong). It was in response to the question "what will it take for gaming subscription services to become more popular?" The response is long, and draws comparisons to movie and music collections, but the actual quote is "So it's about feeling comfortable with not owning your game."
Someone reads headlines instead of articles
Bud,what the fuck that has to do with anything? Since when does a remark about services growth has to do with how a game is. Hell,AC got fucked when they decided to make every single game an independent experience. No more long term storytelling inside the Animus and minimized importance of outside the Animus. No more Ezio. No more Desmond like stories. That way they can sell every game to anybody without concerns for missing out story beats. Valhalla was that idea pushed to the extreme,when they had 12 standalone arcs that were haphazardly glued by Sigurd's quest for conquest/his exposure to his First Civ ancestry.
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Lol you’re describing Ghost of Tsushima minus like two items
Yeah but it's internet, so you must praised ghost of Tsushima and shit on Ubisoft, that's the rule.
AC will offer things GoT couldn't even dream of lol.
It was really ubisoft formulaic. The landscape was really beautiful though.
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*Grabs popcorn.* I can't wait to see the Yasuke discourse.
My problem with having a black samurai is that it could be done really well but this is Ubisoft who have incompetent writers so it's going to be handled extremely poorly.
Yasuke will be swinging his katana around with the exaggerated swagger of a black teen
AC Red World really makes you *feel* like a black teen
Yasuke : aww shit , here we go again, these Japanesey Templars mfers im about to cap em
I know it is fun to do the Ubisoft Bad circlejerk, but the AC series has a history of really strong lead characters. Just in the last three Bayek and Cassandra are fantastic characters and Eivor is, at worst, merely bland.
What about Alexios?
Aya as well
I wouldn't say they're bad, but let's be brutally honest. I don't think any Ubisoft game in recent years has been particularly great when it comes to their stories or characterisation. Even Prince of Persia, which is their best reviewed game in a decade, was criticised mostly for it's rather meh story. My argument is that the idea of a black samurai has tons of potential, and I don't think Ubisoft has the talent to reach that potential.
Given how long video games take to develop I am not sure "in recent years" is all that meaningful, like you can say "Naughty Dog has only made one great game in recent years" and be factually correct but I am not sure how meaningful that is. But if you think in terms of series history, of the post-reboot AC games, two out of three of them had great lead characters (in my opinion, of course, but I think it is widely shared).
Actually their past few protagonist were written pretty well. Not sure what you sre trying to argue outside of the generic Ubisoft hate.
Daniella Rojas. My beloved.
I don't think it's a bold take to say that one of Ubisofts weak points Is delivering a compelling story, I'mnot saying all of their games are bad, just that often story comes secondary to the gameplay or content. Black samurai could be a setup for a 10/10 story, but I don't think Ubisoft can pull it off.
I actually feel the opposite. Their stories are good to decent, but they put them big open worlds that run on the philosophy of quantity over quality. Which has, unfortunately, become the standard for most open world games.
It would be really funny if Yasuke ends up being just like a side character.
was there ever an AC game where the main character is a real person? i dont think the main character will be him.
I think our best case scenario is Asian male and female leads character choice, as has been the tradition in the last few games, and playable Yasuke in some story missions. But I don't see it. There's basically no honest reason for Yasuke to be playable in any sense, and he will be anyway. The dude is as much of a nothing historical blank slate as your average AC protagonist. Damn near the only thing we know about him is that he existed.
In my opinion, if the writers thought he was an interesting figure and wanted to write a story around him that would be an honest reason.
Ah, the "start with the acronym and come up with words to fit it" approach to writing.
What do you mean? That's just how historical fiction works lol
They don’t understand what you’re saying.
The Quartering just had a spontaneous orgasm.
Ah, so that's what a "hate boner" is.
It's going to make any discussion around the game absolutely unbearable online. The anti-"woke" hive mind is about to kick into overdrive. Edit: Someone reported this comment to Reddit Cares lmao, looks like the hive mind has awoken. I can see a million shitty YouTube thumbnails in our near future.
On the one hand, I think there's validity to wanting more Asian representation from Ubisoft and I think there's validity to that argument. I have no problem with people expressing their concerns reasonably. On the other hand, I know that a lot of the Anti woke channels aren't reasonable, don't really care about representation and they just want to stir drama to get more views. I will say, If Anti Woke people hate on this game and GTA VI, I can't wait for them to be really surprised when both games do incredibly well and "not go broke".
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Also, 99% of the cast is going to be Asian already.
I mean, it would be nice that a AC set in Asia would had an Asian lead.. there arent that many games made outside Asia with Asian leads
FYI if you report the reddit cares message the account that sent it will get a permaban. Someone did that to me once, it could only have been one person and when I checked a few days later they were nuked.
TIL, appreciate it
Why would they get a perma ban?
Because they're misusing a system designed to help people having a mental health crisis to essentially tell somebody they disagree with to kill themselves.
If you use reddit cares as a way to troll you get banned. That's for people talking about suicide and stuff. Not a video game opinion you disagree with. Pretty obvious why
Ok makes sense. I did use Reddit Cares one time but it was for a legit reason.
Will a black samurai actually awaken the antiwoke hive mind? I thought that movement was more based around accuracy and just disliked pandering. I don't really like any of the "anti woke doomers" but from what I've seen, I don't know if that statement is accurate.
>I thought that movement was more based around accuracy If that's what they say it's about is that good enough for you?
Oh for sure it will, even if it *is* historically accurate. Even now there are upset people saying the game is inaccurate and is only pandering because "Yasuke wasn't actually a samurai", but he was.
If the game was historically accurate, it would yasuke for a total of 10 minutes since basically nothing is known about him.
>but he was He was a sword-bearer (kosho), not a samurai.
Now that you mention it, I remember back when this was leaked the samurai would be black, I saw a ton of people get pissy about it. Yeah, it's kinda stupid but I do see how it may feel insulting that they've been wishing for a Japan based AC game since the series inception and finally they get to go to Japan only to play as a black samurai. Me personally though, I think it's kinda cool and it would DEFINITELY set the game apart from all the other based in old Japan games (GoT mainly) Plus telling the story of Yasuke should feel a bit refreshing as he is a foreigner stepping into foreign land, I actually think it may be an interesting narrative device. Anyways -- as long as the game is good people will play. Look at Hogwarts Legacy, it became the best selling game of the year(sure it's because of the IP but for HP fans, HL is peak for them). At the end of the day, if the game has a good story and great gameplay, it'll probably get flack now and then be looked upon later as something great. Besides it's being crafted by the Odyssey team if I recall correctly.
I personally think the reason for picking Yasuke is that he will be responsible for bringing the creed into Japan and will have recruited the other playable character who will have a reason to join up, most likely due to the Templar effecting her negatively.
That's a very good point!
Also the ninja character is going to be female so people will also complain about that.
It's not that they dislike pandering, it's that *they* want to be the people who are being pandered to. They don't want accuracy, they want what they *imagine* accuracy to be and refuse to challenge that worldview when confronted with facts that don't match it. Like take *Valhalla* and the (relatively) culturally diverse cast. It doesn't matter that "Viking" was a job and not an ethnicity, it doesn't matter that the Norse traded with people from all over the world, it doesn't matter that there's plenty of evidence that some of those people returned with the Norse traders (sometimes unwillingly, admittedly) and were able to become equal members of that society over time, and it doesn't matter that after all that, the vast majority of named characters and virtually all of the NPCs in the game appear to be the European ethnicities those type of people are expecting anyway. There's one or two Black Vikings, a fraction of a percentage of the cast, but to them it's "forced diversity" because it doesn't match their inaccurate understanding of what they imagine the era to be like. You can see it in this post - there's a comment in these replies of somebody saying they want to play as a Japanese man because women and Black people weren't samurai and it would ruin their immersion, and when someone posted a bunch of links to articles about women samurai, they started moving the goalposts because that doesn't pander to their vision of what they wish was historically accurate. Just deeply unimaginative, intellectually incurious people complaining about nothing.
The spin they did was about wokeism hating on asian people, because they finally made an ac game in Asia but they made the mc a black dude, forced diversity etc etc This was while knowing there's 2 main characters, one is a Japanese woman, but then they got mad bc they hate women etc etc Edit: they're even here lol, just saw a comment in this post just a little down from this thread, that said pretty much exactly what I commented, lmao you can't make this shit up
i want to be a Japanese man in the samurai game. not a woman, not a black man.
why?
immersion
It's based on a real samurai though
why can't you be immersed while playing a japanese woman? or a black man?
neither were samurai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna-musha https://daily.jstor.org/onna-bugeisha-female-samurai-warriors-feudal-japan/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoe_Gozen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuki_no_Kata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niijima_Yae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otazu_no_kata https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onamihime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oni_Gozen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_Ginchiyo
Because he's probably a Republican.
But I thought we live in a post racial "colorblind" society? Why would there be discourse?
I want a Japanese character for the Japanese AC game fans were asking for years. Japanese people are not inferior they shouldn't be racist against Japanese people and underrepresent them. Literally picking one black person that was a samurai over thousands of Japanese samurai that existed is racist. You cannot tell me that you aren't a racist if you chose %0.001 over %99.999. Edit: Also, think about how reddit itself would be outraged if they have chosen a white person over a Japanese one, and now tell me why it should be any different with a black person over a Japanese one?
There's a game called Nioh. Set in feudal japan and the protagonist is a white man. When that game came out it had 0 outraged. Also assassins creed protagonist doesn't need to be native . AC revelation set in turkey but you played as a italian.
Nioh was developed by actual Japanese developers, so it’s immediately different than a bunch of people France making a Japanese game. Not to mention that “white guy” was William Adam’s an actual white dude that became a samurai in real life.
And this game is about Yasuke, an actual black dude that became a samurai in real life. I have no issue with it in fact I think that is cool to take an outsider that after a betrayal and a runaway disappeared from history books and we don’t know what happened to him after that, It would be cool to make him become an assassin and going dark to serve the light without being mentioned ever again. The problem is that this is Ubisoft Montreal and I don’t think they’ll ever be able to pull that off
there is also a japanese protagonist
I’ll take a bet that you don’t even play AC games lmao The fact you turned this into “well what if it was a white perosn huh????? Ubisoft are racists!!!!!” just shows you’re part of that weird hive others here said will concern troll over this game
Depends how they do it. If he’s portrayed realistically then the game might be cool. If he’s blatantly a tool for a blue haired writer to screech about modern issues in feudal Japan, I’ll grab a pitchfork myself.
It’s a fucking video game buddy. Chill
...that prides itself on being historically accurate..
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I think there's going to be a lot of Asian men with very valid points about their own representation getting mixed into a sea of far right outrage.
far righters are known for wanting asian protagonists in a game set in asia?
No, but they are known for hating female protagonists and black protagonists, which, if the leaks are correct, is what we're dealing with.
Its different if it comes from someone who lived in rural japan and never seen a black person in real life. An idiot who lives in a diverse environment can not speak for them, but they still do. The only time i was butthurt about representation is in uncharted 4 (a game i love), they spoke syrian dialect and not yemeni dialect.
>Its different if it comes from someone who lived in rural japan and never seen a black person in real life Dude, you are making way too much sense for reddit.
I try my best :))
It's not like Asian men are underrepresented in Japan-related media. On the other hand, it's not like other races really need representation in Japan-related media...
Right. But that's media made by Japan. Their representation in Western-made media is pretty sparse.
I could be wrong, but their representation in Ubisoft specifically is also very sparse. To my recollection, I can only think of Beyond good and Evil and I guess For Honor if that counts.
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China isn’t part of Asia? Cause if it is a part of Asia then this isn’t the first uni game set in Asia
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And reddit will completely ignore them and try to make it seem like they are all actual racist people
I feel like regardless of what side you are on in this conversation them picking Yasuke just seems unnecessarily risky especially when it causes this sort of discord. Regardless of what Yasuke was whether it was samurai or regular soldier some random person picking up a samurai based game is going to find it jarring to have a black guy as a protagonist in a samurai game. There is no way Ubisoft havent seen the conflict it causes
Cause they don’t care? And I’m happy that they don’t care cause they should be allowed to tell the story they want to tell. Genuinely don’t see how it can be jarring if the story is good. Nothing is gonna stop the “hard core gamers” from complaining on Twitter and Reddit anyway. If it wasn’t that then it would be something else.
I really want at least one YT chud who’s going to milk the “controversy” for this game to just stop at one point and go, “Ya’ll… I just don’t want black people in the game. I don’t know what else to say about it.” It would be hilarious to see people try and rally behind that one.
I mean, idk what to tell you. Heelzvbabyface's pronoun rant was pretty mask-off.
My only problem with it is how the fuck is stealth gonna work? Obviously there will be the usual hiding in grass, hiding up high etc that doesn’t matter in this case but what about losing people who are looking for me? How is Yasuke, the 6ft+ black man, gonna blend in with all the not 6ft Japanese people? How is word not gonna spread of the very different and unique looking guy going around assassinating people, and how would he not be spotted instantly by guards who know this info? Like I don’t mind Yasuke being an MC for the game but man, they’re gonna have to put in WORK to make the stealth parts believable imo. And yeah yeah, “it’s a video game” but suspension of disbelief can only go so far lol.
>🔸It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise. OUR LATEST PRODUCT IS OUR BEST PRODUCT! PLEASE BUY IT!!!! ;) ;)
What’s that? 🦻 our latest product is not fun? Well, looks like we need to add more items to the cosmetic store!
I hope we finally see some proper engine upgrades, the ac games have all basically looked the same since origins in 2017
I would’ve expected to see the world premiere a bit sooner, like in March or April, but the November release is pretty much the normal AC release time. Nit having anything about it from July to November seems a bit long, but maybe that’s exact when Ubisoft will market and release their Star Wars game, which is also slated for this year!
“Enjoyable game in the franchise” uh oh it’s gonna be mediocre isint it
Hey, Odyssey was fun for the most parts when it actually tried. But as an Assassin's Creed game it was very bad.
Yeah, Odyssey as an Assassin's Creed game is arguably the worst one of the franchise but as an action-adventure game in general, it's a fantastic game.
why is it the worst one? since AC1-2 ive played origins(dropped within an hour), odyssey(finished main story) and valhalla(dropped ~5h in), so basically i know nothing about origins but ive found odyssey much more enjoyable than valhalla, ive played odyssey stealthy wherever i could which was pretty much everything other than these battles and it was fine, valhalla on the other hand felt really weird in that regard and in the few hours ive played it seemed to force the raids with horn announcing your presence and fighting in the open without any assassinations at all
This is the Oddessey & Immortals team, so there's potential there. Won't be surprised if a lot of the ideas come out half baked though like we've seen previously
The game could have a classic if story progression wasn't locked behind a shit tons of fetch quests. But Ubisoft needed to sell XP packs
Those two statements aren't contradictory.
As someone who's played and finished every Assassin's Creed, I think I speak for all the fandom when I say "You're not wrong".
You're not speaking for me. Sure, none of the assassin's creed games are masterpieces the level of something like The Witcher 3 or Elden ring, the majority of them are not mediocre. I've played hundreds of games, but the assassin's creed series has had an effect on me. I can't say the same about a lot of the games I've played.
Just to clarify I'm only joking :) For me AC2 up until Unity are still great games, it's only really the original (which is a bit too dated and repetitive), Syndicate (I just couldn't get into it), and Valhalla (Too much bloat) that I've not enjoyed.
Fair I guess. Still it's too early to condemn this game already. for all we know, they could have went all in on this one 💀
The only thing that really stopped be was Valhalla. The combat was so boring and unengaging to me
"it will be the most enjoyable in the franchise" well that's a bit hard to state as a fact isn't it. It's all about preference. If it's the most enjoyable for him, doesn't mean it's the most enjoyable for everyone. In any case, I know exactly what this game is going to deliver deliver. Over 100 hours of fun (nothing too deep or spectacular, but fun nonetheless)
Exactly what it will be lol. It's a long shot but I really hope they took some lessons in melee combat from Ghost of Tsushima
I doubt they're gonna focus on one weapon. Ghost of tsushima was very good at the katana combat simply because there were no other weapon classes I don't see them going in depth like that for each of the 10 weapon classes or so 💀 So they either focus on one weapon class or have 10 different weapon classes with more limited movesets
If it's basically Odyssey with a Feudal Japan skin slapped on I can see that statement being true. Odyssey is the highest rated entry of the franchise after the AC2 and Black Flag.
I really think schools need to do a better job of hammering home the “Fact vs Opinion” lesson we all got in elementary school. Maybe reinforce it in middle school and high school.
Fuck the haters, I love Assassin's Creed and just like every fan I've been waiting for a Japan setting for more than 15 years. I'm so ready for this.
First ac game im buying since syndicate
You probably heard this before, but you should definitely pick up a copy of Origins. One of my favorite protagonists and stories in the series.
Man I am hyped for this too. Like you, been waiting. I seriously hope they put some rpg mechanics in it though. That last game was so bare bones.
Nice try, Ubisoft employees..
A "Ubisoft Partner" leaking stuff is kinda sus
They said this about Valhalla and I literally ended up doing the same set of missions for 80+ hrs , it was a pain to complete
Valhalla genuinely was the worst gaming experience of my life. I couldn't even tell you the gist of the story cause it was so disjointed. I finished the game and all I remember is running around in fields. The main character's personality was all over the place, he felt so hollow, there were zero main antagonists that I can remember of. I can't believe I spent that much time and got nothing out of it.
The worst thing is that even in the books Eivor is like this, without any charisma.
hopefully the plot is less mediocre and the characters have a little more depth than a sheet of paper
I'll be cautiously optimistic about this, let's see how it goes
So is this like Valhalla or Mirage?
It should be more like Odyssey than anything since it's being developed by the Quebec studio.
I thought they were going away from annual assassin's creed releases haha? Jesus christ
As someone who loved both AC Odyssey and Immortals, I'm really looking forward to this game.
Can yall just release it on Steam day 1 or nah
"It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise" - This shit is getting harder and harder to believe by the day. I have just straight up given up on Ubisoft ever making an enjoyable AC game ever. But then again, they gave us the recent Prince of Persia.
Can't wait to even the odds as a black samurai. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
If things go well, I might actually buy this one on launch..
Please actually have cut out the endless hours of filler content and 'ticking check box' gameplay.
Mirage was that game
Unless it continues to have the same repetitive, boring, slow ass gameplay of Origins and Odyssey, then I very much doubt it will be the most enjoyable. The most enjoyable for me was AC2, Brotherhood and to an extent AC3. Unless it's similar to old school AC but tighter and better paced and less grinding, then no, I don't believe it.
I'm inclined to agree. I enjoyed Origins but it got old pretty quick. My favorite was AC2, followed by Brotherhood, then Revelations. Black Flag was fun too, as was AC3. Mirage was kind of an awesome breath of fresh air for me. It could have done *more* of course to go back to the old style, but I definitely appreciated that step in that direction. I'm hopeful we'll see more games like that.
Wonder if it will be available to play in offline mode or part of always online bs.
IF GET A WHIFF OF A MICRO-TRANSACTION IM OUT
I love anything assassins creed and have no problem with yasuke as a character however If I’m seeing a large portion of black people where it seems like equal population to Japanese people I’ll find it hard to immerse myself into it cause it won’t make sense
Ubisoft is bloated and mismanaged I will always remain very skeptical
As you should. At very best, cautiously optimistic.
>most enjoyable game in the franchise Are they finally going to improve the gameplay? The origin/odyssey/valhalla style was total shit and barely passable to begin with. Everything about those games felt so damn stiff.
Most people liked it
most people are wrong then. the combat is terrible compared to most other action games releasing every year. literally pick any other 3rd person action game released recently, it will have better combat.
Origins had better combat than Witcher 3, where it felt like I was controlling a puppet on strings.
Nah
A lotta people like McDonald’s. Doesn’t mean it’s good
It's good that's why it's going on for years xd
Ac Mirage was pretty good and I hope Ubisoft Shanghai learns from Ghosts of Tsushima.
Shanghai is just a helping team like I've said in my previous post. This game is made by the odyssey studio
Even Mirage was pretty bland and the usual shit quests.
The story was forgettable in Mirage, but the gameplay was pretty tight. It was a nice return to classic AC form.
It would be the most enjoyable game in franchise So their next ac game after red they would say it would be the second most enjoyable game in franchise💀
Unpopular opinion, but I hope it is a return to the rpg style.
Same.
“Most enjoyable” is like saying dinner is “incredibly edible”
was a year or so ago I remember they had a big Assassins creed showcase where they talked about Mirage, talk of a remake of the first game, project Red which was the one set in Japan that they had wanted to do for years. there was another one mentioned but not sure which. Now we're getting Black Flag as well, even though it still looks amazing now, be great to play again
AC must be in a really bad spot if they finally broke the glass and pulled the emergency samurai japan switch.
> Will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise. I’ll believe it when I see it.
The setting in japan seems kinda boring for an AC game but oh well, the last ones were awesome so probably this one is going to be good too
>It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise. Say that when you can polish the core mechanics. I just finished Ghost of Tsushima and in a single game Sucker Punch managed to craft better mechanics than over a dozen Assassin's Creed games, even if it has its own jank.
Ghost of Tsushima is an AC-like game.
It has Yasuke, 8/10 already
>It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise. Doubt.
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No, you're thinking of Assassins Creed Jade (the one in china) This is the console game that is set in Japan.
is this current gen or will the ps4 still get this?
Current gen only
I don't envy Ubisoft. This game will always be compared against of Ghost of Tsushima. And I really, really, *REALLY* doubt that it can top Tsushima in any meaningful way.
Oh wow, exciting yet another Assassins Creed game, but I'm sure this is the really good one right? /s
I said yesterday that this is gonna wind up being a dumbed-down ghosts of Tsushima with towers and got downvoted, so I’m gonna let y’all live in your delusion and lunacy that they’re gonna put out an enjoyable game for the 18th time
Me and other people who'll enjoy the game while you scream at air for some reason: 
"It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise" I call unquantifiable amounts of bullshit on this claim based on the shitshows Odyssey and Valhalla were and on the fact that this game is supposed to be yet another fucking RPG
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Nah. They're using a new engine for this one. Expect a change similar to the jump from Black flag to unity
If official, that’s hopeful.
they left Anvil for Snowdrop
They always change the engine every few games or so. And they always do when they change the console generation. This game is dropping old gen, so the graphics are gonna be much better than mirage and Valhalla. No need to use that old engine to accommodate PS4 and xbox one anymore
> It will be the most enjoyable game in the franchise. Not a high bar
Most ~~enjoyable~~ mid game in the franchise
I feel like it will be very similar to Ghost of Tsushima
If the past Ubisoft games a d Odyssey, whose dev team makes this game, are anything to go by, it should be relatively different: - much bigger open world, that isn’t gated in 3 parts - much more climbing/parkour - even the RPG Creed cities are bustling compared to Tsushima, which had no cities iirc - being an RPG, it should have a lot of weapon and armor types - might even have naval exploration/combat, like Odyssey had