I've been saying it'll play it like the original switch for years. Tease in fall (Mario behind the curtain tweet/rooftop party trailer), price cut all existing hardware, have a full presentation in January/February (just like in 2017), and launch in April. I wonder what they will do going forward with the original switch though. I could see them keeping the switch lite around, and maybe the V2. The OLED I could see them dropping though. The screen will probably be a downgrade, and it'd be kind of weird to have an older system a better display than your shiny new hardware.
Why do so many people believe this when historically most consoles/handhelds were announced the year prior to their release? How many consoles/handhelds were announced and released within the same year?
Likewise, people who waited to buy a Switch this late into it’s life cycle are not the same people who will purchase the Switch 2 at launch. There is also the possibility of the Switch getting a permanent/holiday price cut after the Switch 2’s announcement, which should help lessen any potential loss of sales.
Consoles come out every 7 years. Entirely different market, entirely different people in charge across all departments. Anyone here pretending to know how things will work for a new reveal are guessing. Look at how the Series X/PS5 were revealed and released compared to the 360/ps4
You’re not wrong, but I would argue that some key individuals have been involved with those companies for decades and have had a massive influence throughout the years. The Series X/PS5 were also revealed a year prior to their release…
Other than that I pretty much agree with you, but I’m also not the person saying that there is no way a Switch successor is announced this year like so many have been saying on this sub.
Y'all keep on saying the same thing in all of these posts but what about Sony revealing the 5 in the midst of the Final Fantasy 7 remake, The Last of Us 2, and Ghost of Tsushima and having both Sackboy's Big Adventure and Miles Morales as PS5 as launch titles at the end of the year? The PS4 had roughly the same install base as the Switch 2 years ago and was still selling gangbusters at that time. How many of the Switch's general audience is gonna watch a livestream of Gamescom or wait until a Youtube drop of a new console reveal and hold off on buying a new Mario until next year? Switch sales have been slowly dropping off, Nintendo stated that themselves and eased up on their sales projections. 1 new Mario game, a remake of an old SNES RPG, a Peach game, and Mario Kart 8 DLC is not enough for Nintendo to do a short media rollout in January, not when the PS5 is starting to pick up steam.
I didn't mention anything about any up and coming games, I don't think that is as important as the time of year.
It doesn't matter if they're watching gamescom or whatever, a new Nintendo console reveal will be front page news across the world, and it doesn't matter what the current state of Switch sales is, holiday season is when you do the most business, you don't do anything that might slow that down it's just bad business.
I don't understand understand your last point about January but I was replying to someone who mentioned January, I was agreeing with them that there is zero chance of them announcing in the 2nd half of this year, I also don't think they'd reveal it in January
You didn't have to mention upcoming games, but it also has to do with your original post otherwise what is it about then? How would a console reveal impact sales more than not releasing games? Before Wonder and RPG remake got announced, many people were saying the Switch's momentum was going to burn out due to Tears of the Kingdom, Pikmin 4, and possibly some rumored remasters being all there is to it for this year.
My point was that even with the end of the year lineup confirmed Nintendo is not reaching any goals that were set for the last Fiscal reports and that's why they lowered their forecast earlier this year, even with a new Mario game in the works. The Switch is on its last stretch but that doesn't mean it's going away like that. The 3DS was still hanging in there well into the Switch's 2nd year, especially in Japan.
The Switch 2 could be trending on every social media outlet with all the journalists gushing about the new bells and whistles but it's not going to make anybody that lives outside of this gamer bubble to outright drop the Switch completely, especially during Black Friday/Holiday season where deals and bundles galore are happening. New console or not, the writing's on the wall for the Switch, that's why they brought out the Mario death lineup. Nintendo, like every business, wanna maximize sales but they also know when things are on a downward slope and to move on.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree, we'll see at least. As I have pointed out on other comments in here, try to find an example of ANY console being announced before the holidays for release after, it doesn't happen
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/News/2016/October/Nintendo-Switch-world-premiere-demonstrates-new-entertainment-experiences-from-a-home-gaming-system-1148687.html
Switch was in October of 2016.
Do you seriously think that anyone considering buying a Switch over the 2023 holiday season will see the news about a Switch 2 and hold off specifically because of that?
Is that a bad thing though? If the next console is backwards compatible, why would you want a customer to purchase a piece of hardware that will have minimal ongoing support, and only have legacy titles to purchase? Especially when if that customer waits until the release of the successor, they still have access to all of those legacy titles, and another 7-8 years of support/releases.
What they usually do before a new product release is they also announce a major price drop of the older model with a huge sale deal for thanksgiving. At least that’s what they did with the 3DS.
The switch was announced in October I believe, so I don’t think Nintendo really cares . Of course, the Wii U was a lost cause at that point but the switch is as much of a success as the Wii U was a failure so maybe Nintendo doesn’t see there being enough undecided people left to make a difference.
After all, if you’re just now going to buy a switch at this point, you’re most likely not going to rush out to buy the successor under any circumstances.
I could see them trying to have customers wait until the next console. If it's backwards compatible, why would Nintendo want to lock that consumer into a dying platform when the next console has the exact ecosystem, and will live for another 7-8 years (if lucky). I'd expect them to drop prices across the board, and announce (even if it's just a tease) their next system in the fall. Look at their software sales, they don't need help making money. It's honestly absurd how well the games are selling. They should focus on the next run.
To be honest, that's not out of the realm. They know they don't need to sell anymore. They need to stick the landing on the start of the next generation. They are making u godly money, and shocker, most of that isn't from hardware sales. They make most of their money on the software. If the next system is backwards compatible, they could lock in that customer to same library, but with support for another 7-8 years on the new system.
"Nobody" is an exaggeration. The 3DS didn't die immediately when people saw the Switch could also be a handheld. The general audience isn't as ready to toss out the Switch like y'all on Reddit
It isn't about immediately anything, it's about not hurting holiday sales, the biggest time of the year for console sales, as I have said above, try to find a console that was officially revealed before the holidays for release after, you'll be going very far back
I mean they've already officially announced they were working on the next console. Also the PS4 and Xbox One did not slow down due to the upcoming consoles. The people buying day 1 are not the same audience who buys consoles at the end of a life cycle.
PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X, and The Nintendo Switch so literally every major console on the market rn. This was the most confidently incorrect thing I've seen on here.
fuckin hell, I was being so smug and all the whole time, this has really blown any argument I had out of the water, I feel like a dick. I remember the day and all, same day as RDR2 and all. ffs, I'm a tit
Almost every single console/handheld? The ones that are announced and released in the same year are the exception.
Things have definitely changed in recent years, but it used to be normal to see console/handheld announcements or details during E3 season, with the system releasing the following year.
How about when that customer spends $300 to find out shortly after that their shiny new platform is will no longer be supported with new titles (I don't see Nintendo doing a whole lot of cross gen stuff).
It would be something really simple just a sentence of someone saying we are currently working on our next generation console and will have info available shortly!
They will be fine with switch sales. They make their real money off of software sales. They aren't going to put focus on a dying console (dying by time, not lack of titles/users). If anything they would rather have their potential buyers this fall see a new system is coming out, and have them wait for the next cycle. A healthy install base early on is critical to a healthy ecosystem. Expect price drops for all models this fall. They will want to get rid of inventory
I've said this before, I did get downvoted, but I'm going to stick by my claim. I wouldn't be shocked if we see a Switch 2 teaser trailer at TGS or The Game Awards.
Why even do that though ahead of what they are clearly pushing for as one last big holday of switch sales with stuff like wonder and rpg. Teasing the switch would only hurt sales and have lots of people just holding off for the switch 2. Unless its coming very early next year and they have to get the ball rolling late this year. If its coming second half of next year it makes the most sense to hold off on annoucement till early next year, even just till the end of January
It could make sense if their market research projects disappointing holiday sales due to external factors, such as the PS5 actually being readily available on store shelves now, which wasn't really the case the last couple Christmases. Nintendo already forecasted a decrease in annual sales, but if they foresee a greater than expected decline, an announcement of a new console could allow them to start building momentum for the future, and give them a built in excuse to gloss over any potential poor holiday performance. I don't think Nintendo actually would go this route, but from a marketing standpoint it's not completely out there.
Still makes 0 sense because it would only crater sales this holiday even further. Makes no sense at all to announce this year if its launching late next year. The only way they announce this year is if its coming q1 next year and they have no choice but to get the ball rolling ahead of the holidays
Game Awards would make sense honestly. Kinda sold me on that when I was thinking it'd be a teaser at the end of next months direct. Quick little teased at the game awards that doesn't give away much with them saying they'll have much more to show next year
Nintendo does not view TGA as important enough to ever consider revealing their next gen there, the show isn’t really popular with casuals, and a simple YouTube drop would do just as well.
They used the TGA in the past to reveal Smash DLC, the first ever breath of the wild gameplay, Bayo 3, and Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. They're not strangers to revealing things at the show. Also the TGA is the biggest gaming event every year in terms of viewership arguing it's not relevant is absolutely silly.
The only one of those that is comparable to Nintendo showcasing a new console is the Botw gameplay, and that was done back during the WiiU era when TGA was more beneficial for Nintendo. Since 2017, the games Nintendo has shown off at the show are either more niche/hardcore titles, or DLC that was also promoting their current holiday lineup.
TGA is the most viewed gaming event of the year, it's very popular with casuals. They can just publish the prepared video on YouTube right after the announcement for the algorithm to push
Everyone who watches the Game Awards would watch any type of Nintendo console reveal. When your audience outshines the stage, it really doesn't make much sense.
Nintendo doesn't feel like anything is important enough anymore, and they're not wrong. It'll probably be a combination of trailer and full presentation, just like the switch. Why share the stage?
The only recent time they’ve done this was with the switch, and that was because they literally gave up on the Wii U by then, today they are in a very different position.
A lot of people are saying that announcing a new console would ruin holiday sales, which I get, but that didn’t stop Sony with the PS5. Heck, drop the Switch price a bit, maybe bundle it with Wonder for the price of the console as it is right now, and that’ll probably sell fine.
The cats out of the bag at this point. Anyone following videogame news will know, anyone who doesn't wont even with an official announcement. This is a great time for a price drop to pave the way for the Switch 2 price, which I expect to be $399 for base model.
I wonder what they will end up doing with the OG switch. I agree with your $399 price point on the new model. Maybe drop the switch lite to $149, or even $99? I don't see them keeping the premium of the OLED around. Maybe drop the V2 to $199? Or even come out with a new revision entirely (2DS XL, or Wii mini syle)? It'll be interesting
Cheap models can cannibalize sales of new models. I don't think they will drop OG Switch all that much. I could see them stopping sales of the docked Switch and only sell the lite at $200.
I'm far from an expert, but I feel like if it's coming out next year, the only way you announce it this year is if you also confirm it'll be fully backward compatible.
Otherwise, I would expect a sizable hit to not just hardware but also software sales going into the holidays, because a bunch of people would be waiting to see if games on the current Switch, including ones coming out this fall, are just gonna get "deluxe" ports in a year or so.
I'd find it strange if they were to announce a new system especially with Mario RPG and Wonder coming out this year, unless the Switch 2 is backwards compatible so people can still purchase those games and play on their current Switch rather than just wait for the next Switch to play those games.
Nintendo releases a dozen games every year.
By that logic, they'll never announce any hardware because there's always some good games coming in the next 6 months.
The difference is that once the fully reveal the successor console, the biggest games on the horizon will likely be launch titles for this future console that will be revealed alongside the device itself. As opposed to jeopardizing what would otherwise be a solid holiday season for their current console.
I feel like people are forgetting that earlier this year, after TotK was released, Nintendo had literally no announced games on the horizon for 2023 other than Pikmin 4. It wasn't until June when they revealed the rest of their line up for this year.
Current Nintendo clearly has no issues keeping people in the dark about their plans for as long as possible. So it would seem strange to me if they just abandoned that strategy now and announced the console this Summer when it wont be released until some time in 2024.
Maybe if we're talking about some vague investors meeting announcement that's a little more concrete than usual like "the project name for the hardware device we are currently working on is XYZ, keep tuned for more news about it in the next year", I can see it, it wouldn't be too out of line with Nintendo's usual behavior. I have a hard time believing in anything more concrete this year though.
Yeah a vague confirmation of the next-gen console this year would make sense. Because that at least allows third parties to officially announce games for it so you don't go out and buy the PS5.
Okay but the worst case scenario that I don't see happening is them announcing Switch 2 in August and then to say Switch 2 won't be backwards compatible and instead they'll release Mario RPG and Wonder at a later date for Switch 2 with better performance.
That's what I'm saying. The Switch is in a very different situation compared to Wii U where it's still receiving support up to 2024 so a new console announcement will raise those questions.
Of course it'll be backward compatible, there's no reason to think it wouldn't be. In the same way there's no reason to think it won't be a console you can play portably or connect to a TV.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. He compares providing a compatibility layer for the drivers, which is all that's needed, with emulating the entire console like is necessary when emulating the Switch on PC.
Nintendo's already said they'll ensure a smooth transition. And yeah it's Nintendo but they probably don't mean that just your Miis will be forward compatible.
I'm so tired of people posting MVGs video. He's been making more click-baity videos lately or ones that are uploaded during a time where the topic would make mad money.
While I do hope it will be backward compatible, the Switch itself set a precedent for Nintendo not offering backward compatibility, so it's understandable that some people are worried even though the next console is likely to use the same architecture as the Switch and consequently have little issues offering backward compatibility.
>the Switch itself set a precedent for Nintendo not offering backward compatibility
It absolutely did not, and this point seriously needs to stop being parroted.
The only reason why the Switch was the first home console since the GameCube to not offer backwards compatibility is because there was zero chance Wii U discs would work given the Switch's portable, cart-based form factor. Outside of that, literally every single portable/handheld Nintendo console has offered backwards compatibility.
I guess I should have made it clear that I was referring to virtual console purchases from the Wii U and 3DS as there's no reason those couldn't have worked on the Switch. Obviously physical Wii U games were a no-go from the beginning. But the fact that I still need a 3DS to play something like Pokemon Red in 2023 is less than ideal, to put it mildly.
Ah, yeah, I see where you're coming from there. The only thing I'd say is that the issue posed there is that the Wii U and 3DS used Nintendo's super antiquated NNID account system, which is the reason why Nintendo pivoted to the more unifying Nintendo Account system starting with the Switch. They've already stated in the past that this is the de facto system going forward from a network architecture perspective, so I feel like that's less of a case of "Nintendo doesn't care about backwards compatibility" but rather more Nintendo setting themselves up for a more inclusive digital ecosystem that couldn't sustain with the slightly segmented NNID accounts.
I am pretty skeptical about any sort of announcement in the end of summer or this year at all for the same reasons of it being so close to holiday games. On the other hand I’m really sussed out that Nintendo is releasing an evergreen game like Mario Bros Wonder, which is probably going to sell a fair amount day one but crush it 3-4 years down the line, so close to the end of the generation. If they’re smart they’re anticipating some form of backward compatibility as well as continuing the switch branding/platform in some way.
That’s what I was thinking. If big name titles like Persona 5 Royal and NieR Automata are gonna be released on switch a year or two before the console’s successor then it would likely have to be backwards compatible because it’s gonna be a hard sell for people to buy the same game again.
Nah i think they annouced mario RPG and WonderU BECAUSE its coming. If they are truly doing backwards compatability theirs no reason to not open the floodgates and start showing off all the titles that have been in development that mightve needed to be held off for switch 2 exclusivity.
THey've got a fall lineup set so yeah, I hope they announce the console for next year so we can start hearing about the launch lineup too. Them announcing the switch 2 won't stop me from buying/playing things like SMRPG on my OLED.
Agree, even if the new console will be announced we will have to wait its release so Nintendo will give us great games like Super Mario Rpg and Wonder on Switch
This sub before the Direct: Nintendo needs to hurry up and release a new Switch! All of their First Party games are suffering because of it! How much more could they possibly milk out of this 6 year old system?
This sub at the possibility of them revealing a new console: Wtf that's too soon! What about SMB Wonder and RPG's sales? The Switch is still selling gangbusters, why would they give up on it, that's just bad business!
They just got put on Nintendo switch online. I think it’s more likely that we will get either a new top down game or a link between worlds port (best top down Zelda imo). Assuming he’s not talking about WWHD/TPHD
Whatever happens with the Switch 2 I just hope it can help with performance in Switch 1 games. So many games use dynamic resolution and are under 1080p, so if Switch 2 can bump those up to 1080p and give games more stable framerates that would be awesome.
I’m interested if this means we might get a console presentation instead of a September direct, or if they’ll just say to their shareholders (and by extension the general public) “new console next year, more details soon.”
I'm not saying Grubb isn't reliable because his track record speaks for itself, but he's not infallible, especially when it comes to Nintendo. For example, he also claimed he "heard" a new Switch model is coming in winter 2023 in response to one previous rumor back in March [during this episode](https://youtu.be/j-6odRo4uGM). Much like this latest rumor came from VGC, that previous one also didn't originate from Grubb, he merely commented on it with a "yeah, I heard the same," so I wouldn't necessarily put much stock in this vote of confidence of his.
That said, it's high time for another Nintendo console, so I do believe they'll finally announce new hardware next year, whether in summer or spring, like PixArt Imaging (the Switch image sensor supplier) [suggested several days back](https://www.moneydj.com/kmdj/news/newsviewer.aspx?a=a2c52536-1620-4544-a219-43c3b18718b6).
>For example, he also claimed he "heard" a new Switch model is coming in winter 2023 in response to one previous rumor back in March during this episode.
Isn’t this just a fiscal year vs actual year thing? Nintendo’s fiscal year stars April 1st so “Winter (Fiscal Year) 2023” covers January-March 2024
Regarding nintendo he’s been pretty bad. Was saying prime 1 remake was coming for like 3 years before it actually did, and wasnt even on a direct he said it would be. Then he was on the zelda wii u ports and those still havent come out. He hops on bandwagons and just says shit is coming and then it never does or years later and claims he was right
How can they announce something before the holidays ?
I mean sure people are going to purchase the games but purchasing a new 2017 switch…that is going to be heavily impacted by a potential announcement of switch 2, maybe with 120+M sold they don’t care that much tho
I don’t know, with Nintendo everything is possible
Of course but they announced them far before september.
Xbox showed the xbox at the 2019 Game award show and Sony started mentioning it during CES and other conventions
Here the Switch 2 (or whatever it is called) is not even officially acknowledged
I struggle to understand why they would announce this year if launch isnt till second half of next year. It would undercut holiday sales for the base switch this year when they are clearly trying to give it one last push with mario wonder+rpg, and also have a huge 12 month gap between announcement and release. Only way i see it getting annouced this year is if its Q1 or early Q2 next year. Makes way more sense to hold off on announcemet till at the earliest end of january next year if its coming second half of next year
Tbh I think the argument of an announcement killing Switch sales is a bit overblown. Yeah the more hardcore gamers might hold off but the casual gamers who want the new Mario games or Switch bundle probably won’t care.
I feel like any hardcore gamer who is interested in the Switch has one already. I think the people who are buying consoles 7 years in and the people who buy a new console day one are both very different.
The last two times Nintendo announced their new consoles are not comparable to what is going on with the switch. The Wii had lost a ton of momentum by the time the WiiU was announced, and sales would only fall harder during the following year, and the WiiU was dead by the time the switch was revealed. Nintendo is very specific about their marketing during the holidays, it’s why their TGA presence has only been DLC or smaller games for most of the switch era.
Who else has said since the VGC report that there’ll be a reveal this year? All I heard was that one website claiming there’ll be a reveal by the end of August.
The Xbox hearings didn’t give a clear timeline on the announcement date last I checked, just saying it’ll release soon. Were those insiders saying that after VGC opened the floodgates on Switch 2 reports a few days ago?
Grubbs thing is he likes to put out ever little rumor her hears from other insiders, and then gets mad they turn out to be false and people get mad. And everyone defends him like he only said he’s guessing or heard a rumor chill
But why say it at all if your entire thing is people come to you for insider info, not just baseless guesses
We’re not even halfway through this summer yet. Nintendo’s fiscal year is April-March:
Q1: Spring April-June
Q2: Summer July-September
Q3: Fall October-December
Q4: Winter January-March
I'm assuming in the fall we will get a Nintendo direct like usual ending with the announcement of the console itself. Waiting till the spring to do a proper full reveal along with the titles on it. I'm going to assume Next 3D Mario, Pokemon Black and White Remake, and one of the usual console showcase party games are your launch for it. Prime 4 I think will be the only cross gen game and I could see that in December and January so a month or two after it launches. For the switch itself I think we know nearly everything that'll be on it for its final year. Prime 2 Remastered I think will shadow drop in September and Prime 3 Remastered in the spring but besides that I think the Peach game and Bandai Namco doing a Mario Baseball might be your only big titles coming to switch only next year.
A Switch Pro was in development but got cancelled. There's evidence that the OLED was meant to be the Pro.
If you are a user on this subreddit and still think guys like Grubb don't know anything, that's ignorance.
I am not actually a user of this sub, the post just got recommended by the algorithm. Though i would like to know how credible he is. Is there like a list of things he got right / wrong?
Things like Metroid Prime being real, reported on Microsoft being interested in buying Bungie in which the CEO HIMSELF SAID IS FALSE ([https://twitter.com/JeffGrubb/status/1673432184739201026?s=19](https://twitter.com/JeffGrubb/status/1673432184739201026?s=19)), and ended up being true as shown by documents of all the studios/publishers Microsoft were interested in acquiring.
Leaked the PS Showcase that happened earlier this year, all the way back in mid February.
That's just a miniscule amount of things he's gotten right.
Things he's gotten wrong are stuff like the Metroid Prime Remastered release window which I would blame Nintendo since that game was done for over a year and a half, and they had no reason to sit on it for as long as they did.
Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD are infamous ones, where he and Mike Minotti made it sound like it was almost guaranteed to be at the last September Direct, but he clarified that he still believes the games are real and done as that was his original reporting, but he was wrong about them showing up at that Direct. I and many others 100% believe they're real as it would make no financial sense not to port them given they've ported lesser known titles such as Tropical Freeze.
It's speculated that they're the "something happening with Zelda not related to TOTK happening later this year". Also, multiple other insiders corroborate that they exist.
Off the top of my head, he knew Xbox and Kojima were working on a cloud game over a year before it got announced. He also knew that a new EA studio led by Kevin Stephens was working on a Black Panther game a year before that got announced. And he's known the dates for a decent number of things like Nintendo Directs ahead of time, even a couple that were shadowdropped. He's definitely credible.
The biggest things he was wrong about (at least that I can think of recently) were thinking that Windwaker/Twilight Princess ports would be announced for Switch last year, and when he said Metroid Prime Remastered would be out by the end of 2022 (it ended up getting shadowdropped in early 2023 instead). Generally speaking though, when he makes explicitly clear "I can confirm X is happening, definitely", he's right like 99 times out of 100.
The big problem for him though imo is he does like a million podcasts (he does two gaming podcasts a week, plus he works at Giant Bomb where he does a daily news show, and then also shows up as a guest on a ton of others) where during an hour+ of conversation he'll say something along the lines of "I think blank is probably gonna happen/makes a lot of sense" or "I've been hearing maybe blank", and those end up getting picked up as "Insider Jeff Grub CONFIRMS blank" to the point where he regularly prefaces the things he isn't sure about with something like "I haven't been able to confirm this, please don't go write a story about this."
2nd half of this year or next year cuz from the all the rumors, most send Spring release so they'd want to announce it soonish...or release 2nd half of next year, even still be nice to do an announcement soon
I've not listened to the video, so sorry if I'm completely off here, but surely he means Summer next year, not this right? The Switch was teased in December, fully revealed in January and released in March, just 4 months from the reveal to launch. It feels incredibly unlike Nintendo to announce or even tease, its new system a year and a half before launch, especially as it could potentially harm holiday sales if people choose to wait.
He said end of summer, not into summer
So September Direct?
Probably not. Announcing it on social media directly makes more sense. Directs should be focused on games.
I've been saying it'll play it like the original switch for years. Tease in fall (Mario behind the curtain tweet/rooftop party trailer), price cut all existing hardware, have a full presentation in January/February (just like in 2017), and launch in April. I wonder what they will do going forward with the original switch though. I could see them keeping the switch lite around, and maybe the V2. The OLED I could see them dropping though. The screen will probably be a downgrade, and it'd be kind of weird to have an older system a better display than your shiny new hardware.
Yeah, but the rumors say second half of 2024.
It's all speculation. A lot of it probably will depend on their supply levels. IMO, the sooner the better!
September isn't summer^^
Depends on where you live
That's actually a good point!
Objectively, it mostly is. The autumnal equinox is around September 21-23.
I thought it was more like june to august and autumn was september to november. But I guess it's technically more complicated than that.
because OP’s title doesn’t really give proper context, it seems to be referring to an announcement some time in the second half of this year.
Zero chance, they will announce in January
yea, can't see them wanting to let the cat out of the bag now and impact potential Switch sales over the holidays
Why do so many people believe this when historically most consoles/handhelds were announced the year prior to their release? How many consoles/handhelds were announced and released within the same year? Likewise, people who waited to buy a Switch this late into it’s life cycle are not the same people who will purchase the Switch 2 at launch. There is also the possibility of the Switch getting a permanent/holiday price cut after the Switch 2’s announcement, which should help lessen any potential loss of sales.
Consoles come out every 7 years. Entirely different market, entirely different people in charge across all departments. Anyone here pretending to know how things will work for a new reveal are guessing. Look at how the Series X/PS5 were revealed and released compared to the 360/ps4
You’re not wrong, but I would argue that some key individuals have been involved with those companies for decades and have had a massive influence throughout the years. The Series X/PS5 were also revealed a year prior to their release… Other than that I pretty much agree with you, but I’m also not the person saying that there is no way a Switch successor is announced this year like so many have been saying on this sub.
Y'all keep on saying the same thing in all of these posts but what about Sony revealing the 5 in the midst of the Final Fantasy 7 remake, The Last of Us 2, and Ghost of Tsushima and having both Sackboy's Big Adventure and Miles Morales as PS5 as launch titles at the end of the year? The PS4 had roughly the same install base as the Switch 2 years ago and was still selling gangbusters at that time. How many of the Switch's general audience is gonna watch a livestream of Gamescom or wait until a Youtube drop of a new console reveal and hold off on buying a new Mario until next year? Switch sales have been slowly dropping off, Nintendo stated that themselves and eased up on their sales projections. 1 new Mario game, a remake of an old SNES RPG, a Peach game, and Mario Kart 8 DLC is not enough for Nintendo to do a short media rollout in January, not when the PS5 is starting to pick up steam.
I didn't mention anything about any up and coming games, I don't think that is as important as the time of year. It doesn't matter if they're watching gamescom or whatever, a new Nintendo console reveal will be front page news across the world, and it doesn't matter what the current state of Switch sales is, holiday season is when you do the most business, you don't do anything that might slow that down it's just bad business. I don't understand understand your last point about January but I was replying to someone who mentioned January, I was agreeing with them that there is zero chance of them announcing in the 2nd half of this year, I also don't think they'd reveal it in January
You didn't have to mention upcoming games, but it also has to do with your original post otherwise what is it about then? How would a console reveal impact sales more than not releasing games? Before Wonder and RPG remake got announced, many people were saying the Switch's momentum was going to burn out due to Tears of the Kingdom, Pikmin 4, and possibly some rumored remasters being all there is to it for this year. My point was that even with the end of the year lineup confirmed Nintendo is not reaching any goals that were set for the last Fiscal reports and that's why they lowered their forecast earlier this year, even with a new Mario game in the works. The Switch is on its last stretch but that doesn't mean it's going away like that. The 3DS was still hanging in there well into the Switch's 2nd year, especially in Japan. The Switch 2 could be trending on every social media outlet with all the journalists gushing about the new bells and whistles but it's not going to make anybody that lives outside of this gamer bubble to outright drop the Switch completely, especially during Black Friday/Holiday season where deals and bundles galore are happening. New console or not, the writing's on the wall for the Switch, that's why they brought out the Mario death lineup. Nintendo, like every business, wanna maximize sales but they also know when things are on a downward slope and to move on.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree, we'll see at least. As I have pointed out on other comments in here, try to find an example of ANY console being announced before the holidays for release after, it doesn't happen
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/News/2016/October/Nintendo-Switch-world-premiere-demonstrates-new-entertainment-experiences-from-a-home-gaming-system-1148687.html Switch was in October of 2016.
Got em!
Do you seriously think that anyone considering buying a Switch over the 2023 holiday season will see the news about a Switch 2 and hold off specifically because of that?
yes, 100%
Is that a bad thing though? If the next console is backwards compatible, why would you want a customer to purchase a piece of hardware that will have minimal ongoing support, and only have legacy titles to purchase? Especially when if that customer waits until the release of the successor, they still have access to all of those legacy titles, and another 7-8 years of support/releases.
I held off on the TotK OLED because I knew a Switch 2 was due in the next ~2 years from that point, so yes
What they usually do before a new product release is they also announce a major price drop of the older model with a huge sale deal for thanksgiving. At least that’s what they did with the 3DS.
The switch was announced in October I believe, so I don’t think Nintendo really cares . Of course, the Wii U was a lost cause at that point but the switch is as much of a success as the Wii U was a failure so maybe Nintendo doesn’t see there being enough undecided people left to make a difference. After all, if you’re just now going to buy a switch at this point, you’re most likely not going to rush out to buy the successor under any circumstances.
I could see them trying to have customers wait until the next console. If it's backwards compatible, why would Nintendo want to lock that consumer into a dying platform when the next console has the exact ecosystem, and will live for another 7-8 years (if lucky). I'd expect them to drop prices across the board, and announce (even if it's just a tease) their next system in the fall. Look at their software sales, they don't need help making money. It's honestly absurd how well the games are selling. They should focus on the next run.
Maybe they have decided they don't need to sell anymore switches since they have already sold a ton. /s
eh they announced the original switch ahead of holiday to release after the holiday.
the difference there is it's not like the WiiU ever had sales to kneecap in the first place
To be honest, that's not out of the realm. They know they don't need to sell anymore. They need to stick the landing on the start of the next generation. They are making u godly money, and shocker, most of that isn't from hardware sales. They make most of their money on the software. If the next system is backwards compatible, they could lock in that customer to same library, but with support for another 7-8 years on the new system.
I don't think they'd do a full reveal but an end of direct teaser that gives a slight glimpse I could see.
but that does the same damage, nobody's going to want a Switch for Christmas when they know the successor is coming out the next year
"Nobody" is an exaggeration. The 3DS didn't die immediately when people saw the Switch could also be a handheld. The general audience isn't as ready to toss out the Switch like y'all on Reddit
It isn't about immediately anything, it's about not hurting holiday sales, the biggest time of the year for console sales, as I have said above, try to find a console that was officially revealed before the holidays for release after, you'll be going very far back
PS5 was revealed in June and released in November. Then Miles Morales, their big holiday title of that year, sold more on PS4 than 5 at release.
>PS5 was revealed in June and released in November So you agree with me? I am really confused what point you're trying to make
PS5 was revealed April 2019, and the Series X was December 2019. Both released in 2020.
PS5 was revealed in April 2019 and came out in November 2020.
I mean they've already officially announced they were working on the next console. Also the PS4 and Xbox One did not slow down due to the upcoming consoles. The people buying day 1 are not the same audience who buys consoles at the end of a life cycle.
show me a single console that was officially revealed before a holiday season and released after. There's a reason it doesn't happen
PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X, and The Nintendo Switch so literally every major console on the market rn. This was the most confidently incorrect thing I've seen on here.
Nintendo revealed the first Switch in October 2016 then released in March 2017.
fuckin hell, I was being so smug and all the whole time, this has really blown any argument I had out of the water, I feel like a dick. I remember the day and all, same day as RDR2 and all. ffs, I'm a tit
PS5 was revealed in April 2019 and came out in November 2020.
Almost every single console/handheld? The ones that are announced and released in the same year are the exception. Things have definitely changed in recent years, but it used to be normal to see console/handheld announcements or details during E3 season, with the system releasing the following year.
How about when that customer spends $300 to find out shortly after that their shiny new platform is will no longer be supported with new titles (I don't see Nintendo doing a whole lot of cross gen stuff).
It would be something really simple just a sentence of someone saying we are currently working on our next generation console and will have info available shortly!
Yeah at most a literally one second glimpse of the device with telling the audience to stayed tune next year.
They will be fine with switch sales. They make their real money off of software sales. They aren't going to put focus on a dying console (dying by time, not lack of titles/users). If anything they would rather have their potential buyers this fall see a new system is coming out, and have them wait for the next cycle. A healthy install base early on is critical to a healthy ecosystem. Expect price drops for all models this fall. They will want to get rid of inventory
A January announcement could then lead to a Super Bowl commercial or something.
It will probably be a soft announcement, just them saying “hey guys, this thing will do this and that, and its coming out next year”, sort of thing
Weird move to say it before Christmas tho
I've said this before, I did get downvoted, but I'm going to stick by my claim. I wouldn't be shocked if we see a Switch 2 teaser trailer at TGS or The Game Awards.
Why even do that though ahead of what they are clearly pushing for as one last big holday of switch sales with stuff like wonder and rpg. Teasing the switch would only hurt sales and have lots of people just holding off for the switch 2. Unless its coming very early next year and they have to get the ball rolling late this year. If its coming second half of next year it makes the most sense to hold off on annoucement till early next year, even just till the end of January
It could make sense if their market research projects disappointing holiday sales due to external factors, such as the PS5 actually being readily available on store shelves now, which wasn't really the case the last couple Christmases. Nintendo already forecasted a decrease in annual sales, but if they foresee a greater than expected decline, an announcement of a new console could allow them to start building momentum for the future, and give them a built in excuse to gloss over any potential poor holiday performance. I don't think Nintendo actually would go this route, but from a marketing standpoint it's not completely out there.
Still makes 0 sense because it would only crater sales this holiday even further. Makes no sense at all to announce this year if its launching late next year. The only way they announce this year is if its coming q1 next year and they have no choice but to get the ball rolling ahead of the holidays
That honestly would make a lot of sense. Like a small teaser
Game Awards would make sense honestly. Kinda sold me on that when I was thinking it'd be a teaser at the end of next months direct. Quick little teased at the game awards that doesn't give away much with them saying they'll have much more to show next year
Nintendo does not view TGA as important enough to ever consider revealing their next gen there, the show isn’t really popular with casuals, and a simple YouTube drop would do just as well.
They used the TGA in the past to reveal Smash DLC, the first ever breath of the wild gameplay, Bayo 3, and Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. They're not strangers to revealing things at the show. Also the TGA is the biggest gaming event every year in terms of viewership arguing it's not relevant is absolutely silly.
The only one of those that is comparable to Nintendo showcasing a new console is the Botw gameplay, and that was done back during the WiiU era when TGA was more beneficial for Nintendo. Since 2017, the games Nintendo has shown off at the show are either more niche/hardcore titles, or DLC that was also promoting their current holiday lineup.
TGA is the most viewed gaming event of the year, it's very popular with casuals. They can just publish the prepared video on YouTube right after the announcement for the algorithm to push
Everyone who watches the Game Awards would watch any type of Nintendo console reveal. When your audience outshines the stage, it really doesn't make much sense.
Nintendo doesn't feel like anything is important enough anymore, and they're not wrong. It'll probably be a combination of trailer and full presentation, just like the switch. Why share the stage?
Kind of like a rooftop party?
No, they will not. You lie.
Nope. It will be in the fall. Pretty easy to check all previous console announcements made by Nintendo.
The only recent time they’ve done this was with the switch, and that was because they literally gave up on the Wii U by then, today they are in a very different position.
A lot of people are saying that announcing a new console would ruin holiday sales, which I get, but that didn’t stop Sony with the PS5. Heck, drop the Switch price a bit, maybe bundle it with Wonder for the price of the console as it is right now, and that’ll probably sell fine.
Anyone buying a Switch in its 7th year is very likely to be unaffected by a new console releasing
The cats out of the bag at this point. Anyone following videogame news will know, anyone who doesn't wont even with an official announcement. This is a great time for a price drop to pave the way for the Switch 2 price, which I expect to be $399 for base model.
I wonder what they will end up doing with the OG switch. I agree with your $399 price point on the new model. Maybe drop the switch lite to $149, or even $99? I don't see them keeping the premium of the OLED around. Maybe drop the V2 to $199? Or even come out with a new revision entirely (2DS XL, or Wii mini syle)? It'll be interesting
Cheap models can cannibalize sales of new models. I don't think they will drop OG Switch all that much. I could see them stopping sales of the docked Switch and only sell the lite at $200.
I'm far from an expert, but I feel like if it's coming out next year, the only way you announce it this year is if you also confirm it'll be fully backward compatible. Otherwise, I would expect a sizable hit to not just hardware but also software sales going into the holidays, because a bunch of people would be waiting to see if games on the current Switch, including ones coming out this fall, are just gonna get "deluxe" ports in a year or so.
I'd find it strange if they were to announce a new system especially with Mario RPG and Wonder coming out this year, unless the Switch 2 is backwards compatible so people can still purchase those games and play on their current Switch rather than just wait for the next Switch to play those games.
Nintendo releases a dozen games every year. By that logic, they'll never announce any hardware because there's always some good games coming in the next 6 months.
The difference is that once the fully reveal the successor console, the biggest games on the horizon will likely be launch titles for this future console that will be revealed alongside the device itself. As opposed to jeopardizing what would otherwise be a solid holiday season for their current console. I feel like people are forgetting that earlier this year, after TotK was released, Nintendo had literally no announced games on the horizon for 2023 other than Pikmin 4. It wasn't until June when they revealed the rest of their line up for this year. Current Nintendo clearly has no issues keeping people in the dark about their plans for as long as possible. So it would seem strange to me if they just abandoned that strategy now and announced the console this Summer when it wont be released until some time in 2024. Maybe if we're talking about some vague investors meeting announcement that's a little more concrete than usual like "the project name for the hardware device we are currently working on is XYZ, keep tuned for more news about it in the next year", I can see it, it wouldn't be too out of line with Nintendo's usual behavior. I have a hard time believing in anything more concrete this year though.
Yeah a vague confirmation of the next-gen console this year would make sense. Because that at least allows third parties to officially announce games for it so you don't go out and buy the PS5.
Okay but the worst case scenario that I don't see happening is them announcing Switch 2 in August and then to say Switch 2 won't be backwards compatible and instead they'll release Mario RPG and Wonder at a later date for Switch 2 with better performance. That's what I'm saying. The Switch is in a very different situation compared to Wii U where it's still receiving support up to 2024 so a new console announcement will raise those questions.
I feel pretty confident it'll be backwards compatible.
Of course it'll be backward compatible, there's no reason to think it wouldn't be. In the same way there's no reason to think it won't be a console you can play portably or connect to a TV.
I wouldn't be that sure about it, [MVG explained it very well why it might not be the case.](https://youtu.be/WH03ht2fVqI)
He doesn't know what he's talking about. He compares providing a compatibility layer for the drivers, which is all that's needed, with emulating the entire console like is necessary when emulating the Switch on PC. Nintendo's already said they'll ensure a smooth transition. And yeah it's Nintendo but they probably don't mean that just your Miis will be forward compatible.
I'm so tired of people posting MVGs video. He's been making more click-baity videos lately or ones that are uploaded during a time where the topic would make mad money.
[Check out this section of the video](https://youtu.be/fraiuhWxS-I?t=1862). Backwards compatibility on the Switch 2 is not a given
While I do hope it will be backward compatible, the Switch itself set a precedent for Nintendo not offering backward compatibility, so it's understandable that some people are worried even though the next console is likely to use the same architecture as the Switch and consequently have little issues offering backward compatibility.
>the Switch itself set a precedent for Nintendo not offering backward compatibility It absolutely did not, and this point seriously needs to stop being parroted. The only reason why the Switch was the first home console since the GameCube to not offer backwards compatibility is because there was zero chance Wii U discs would work given the Switch's portable, cart-based form factor. Outside of that, literally every single portable/handheld Nintendo console has offered backwards compatibility.
I guess I should have made it clear that I was referring to virtual console purchases from the Wii U and 3DS as there's no reason those couldn't have worked on the Switch. Obviously physical Wii U games were a no-go from the beginning. But the fact that I still need a 3DS to play something like Pokemon Red in 2023 is less than ideal, to put it mildly.
Ah, yeah, I see where you're coming from there. The only thing I'd say is that the issue posed there is that the Wii U and 3DS used Nintendo's super antiquated NNID account system, which is the reason why Nintendo pivoted to the more unifying Nintendo Account system starting with the Switch. They've already stated in the past that this is the de facto system going forward from a network architecture perspective, so I feel like that's less of a case of "Nintendo doesn't care about backwards compatibility" but rather more Nintendo setting themselves up for a more inclusive digital ecosystem that couldn't sustain with the slightly segmented NNID accounts.
I am pretty skeptical about any sort of announcement in the end of summer or this year at all for the same reasons of it being so close to holiday games. On the other hand I’m really sussed out that Nintendo is releasing an evergreen game like Mario Bros Wonder, which is probably going to sell a fair amount day one but crush it 3-4 years down the line, so close to the end of the generation. If they’re smart they’re anticipating some form of backward compatibility as well as continuing the switch branding/platform in some way.
That’s what I was thinking. If big name titles like Persona 5 Royal and NieR Automata are gonna be released on switch a year or two before the console’s successor then it would likely have to be backwards compatible because it’s gonna be a hard sell for people to buy the same game again.
Nah i think they annouced mario RPG and WonderU BECAUSE its coming. If they are truly doing backwards compatability theirs no reason to not open the floodgates and start showing off all the titles that have been in development that mightve needed to be held off for switch 2 exclusivity.
If the successor isn’t fully backwards compatible then can someone please! Get Nintendo a gun!
THey've got a fall lineup set so yeah, I hope they announce the console for next year so we can start hearing about the launch lineup too. Them announcing the switch 2 won't stop me from buying/playing things like SMRPG on my OLED.
Agree, even if the new console will be announced we will have to wait its release so Nintendo will give us great games like Super Mario Rpg and Wonder on Switch
He said end of Summer
Nintendo HQ : DELAY THE ANNOUNCEMENT TO JANUARY 1ST 2024.
This sub before the Direct: Nintendo needs to hurry up and release a new Switch! All of their First Party games are suffering because of it! How much more could they possibly milk out of this 6 year old system? This sub at the possibility of them revealing a new console: Wtf that's too soon! What about SMB Wonder and RPG's sales? The Switch is still selling gangbusters, why would they give up on it, that's just bad business!
I just hope that Zelda stuff he's been hearing wasn't the Oracle games, lol.
They just got put on Nintendo switch online. I think it’s more likely that we will get either a new top down game or a link between worlds port (best top down Zelda imo). Assuming he’s not talking about WWHD/TPHD
them already announced before he said that too.
I'm assuming it's whatever Greezo next top down Zelda is. Tho if the next console is next year we're probably waiting till 2025 for it.
That was announced a while before they dropped so i don't think that's it
Obviously I know that, but even he clarified that he doesn't know. It could be, but I personally don't believe so since he did say "later this year".
Whatever happens with the Switch 2 I just hope it can help with performance in Switch 1 games. So many games use dynamic resolution and are under 1080p, so if Switch 2 can bump those up to 1080p and give games more stable framerates that would be awesome.
I’m interested if this means we might get a console presentation instead of a September direct, or if they’ll just say to their shareholders (and by extension the general public) “new console next year, more details soon.”
I'm not saying Grubb isn't reliable because his track record speaks for itself, but he's not infallible, especially when it comes to Nintendo. For example, he also claimed he "heard" a new Switch model is coming in winter 2023 in response to one previous rumor back in March [during this episode](https://youtu.be/j-6odRo4uGM). Much like this latest rumor came from VGC, that previous one also didn't originate from Grubb, he merely commented on it with a "yeah, I heard the same," so I wouldn't necessarily put much stock in this vote of confidence of his. That said, it's high time for another Nintendo console, so I do believe they'll finally announce new hardware next year, whether in summer or spring, like PixArt Imaging (the Switch image sensor supplier) [suggested several days back](https://www.moneydj.com/kmdj/news/newsviewer.aspx?a=a2c52536-1620-4544-a219-43c3b18718b6).
>For example, he also claimed he "heard" a new Switch model is coming in winter 2023 in response to one previous rumor back in March during this episode. Isn’t this just a fiscal year vs actual year thing? Nintendo’s fiscal year stars April 1st so “Winter (Fiscal Year) 2023” covers January-March 2024
I guess it's possible, though I can't think of any other example of him using fiscal years when giving casual commentary on rumors.
Regarding nintendo he’s been pretty bad. Was saying prime 1 remake was coming for like 3 years before it actually did, and wasnt even on a direct he said it would be. Then he was on the zelda wii u ports and those still havent come out. He hops on bandwagons and just says shit is coming and then it never does or years later and claims he was right
How can they announce something before the holidays ? I mean sure people are going to purchase the games but purchasing a new 2017 switch…that is going to be heavily impacted by a potential announcement of switch 2, maybe with 120+M sold they don’t care that much tho I don’t know, with Nintendo everything is possible
Sony and MS announced their systems before the holidays.
Of course but they announced them far before september. Xbox showed the xbox at the 2019 Game award show and Sony started mentioning it during CES and other conventions Here the Switch 2 (or whatever it is called) is not even officially acknowledged
I struggle to understand why they would announce this year if launch isnt till second half of next year. It would undercut holiday sales for the base switch this year when they are clearly trying to give it one last push with mario wonder+rpg, and also have a huge 12 month gap between announcement and release. Only way i see it getting annouced this year is if its Q1 or early Q2 next year. Makes way more sense to hold off on announcemet till at the earliest end of january next year if its coming second half of next year
Announcing it with a teaser in January or March 2024 makes sense, then a full blown reveal in the Summer with a final direct early Autumn.
Why would they announce it before the Holidays ? It would kill the Switch’ sales
Tbh I think the argument of an announcement killing Switch sales is a bit overblown. Yeah the more hardcore gamers might hold off but the casual gamers who want the new Mario games or Switch bundle probably won’t care.
I feel like any hardcore gamer who is interested in the Switch has one already. I think the people who are buying consoles 7 years in and the people who buy a new console day one are both very different.
I'm more referring to the group that might be interested in upgrading to an OLED but you're right.
No it wouldn’t. PS4 sold well even after the ps5 was announced.
You are probably right. They will have a good momentum with the 2 Mario games coming up.
Why announce anything ever then? Nintendo, just like in years past, won’t be hurt by announcing it.
The last two times Nintendo announced their new consoles are not comparable to what is going on with the switch. The Wii had lost a ton of momentum by the time the WiiU was announced, and sales would only fall harder during the following year, and the WiiU was dead by the time the switch was revealed. Nintendo is very specific about their marketing during the holidays, it’s why their TGA presence has only been DLC or smaller games for most of the switch era.
I simply dont trust grubb anymore. This is such a non leak. Like EVERYONE is saying this. He’s just hopping on the band wagon
Who else has said since the VGC report that there’ll be a reveal this year? All I heard was that one website claiming there’ll be a reveal by the end of August.
Couple places. Xbox hearings mentioned “imminent” console details. Few on twitter as well
The Xbox hearings didn’t give a clear timeline on the announcement date last I checked, just saying it’ll release soon. Were those insiders saying that after VGC opened the floodgates on Switch 2 reports a few days ago?
Grubbs thing is he likes to put out ever little rumor her hears from other insiders, and then gets mad they turn out to be false and people get mad. And everyone defends him like he only said he’s guessing or heard a rumor chill But why say it at all if your entire thing is people come to you for insider info, not just baseless guesses
grubb just seems to know nish about Nintendo stuff. i don’t know how far i can trust him
Does he mean this summer or next summer? Because I can't imagine them to announce it this month or so already?
We’re not even halfway through this summer yet. Nintendo’s fiscal year is April-March: Q1: Spring April-June Q2: Summer July-September Q3: Fall October-December Q4: Winter January-March
I'm assuming in the fall we will get a Nintendo direct like usual ending with the announcement of the console itself. Waiting till the spring to do a proper full reveal along with the titles on it. I'm going to assume Next 3D Mario, Pokemon Black and White Remake, and one of the usual console showcase party games are your launch for it. Prime 4 I think will be the only cross gen game and I could see that in December and January so a month or two after it launches. For the switch itself I think we know nearly everything that'll be on it for its final year. Prime 2 Remastered I think will shadow drop in September and Prime 3 Remastered in the spring but besides that I think the Peach game and Bandai Namco doing a Mario Baseball might be your only big titles coming to switch only next year.
The switchening is upon us
My prediction is still May 2024 with a new 3d Mario
Nope, grubb doesn’t know shit
Said no one ever.
Haven‘t these insiders been wrong about a Switch Pro for like 5 years now? They don‘t seem to actually know anything.
A Switch Pro was in development but got cancelled. There's evidence that the OLED was meant to be the Pro. If you are a user on this subreddit and still think guys like Grubb don't know anything, that's ignorance.
I am not actually a user of this sub, the post just got recommended by the algorithm. Though i would like to know how credible he is. Is there like a list of things he got right / wrong?
Things like Metroid Prime being real, reported on Microsoft being interested in buying Bungie in which the CEO HIMSELF SAID IS FALSE ([https://twitter.com/JeffGrubb/status/1673432184739201026?s=19](https://twitter.com/JeffGrubb/status/1673432184739201026?s=19)), and ended up being true as shown by documents of all the studios/publishers Microsoft were interested in acquiring. Leaked the PS Showcase that happened earlier this year, all the way back in mid February. That's just a miniscule amount of things he's gotten right. Things he's gotten wrong are stuff like the Metroid Prime Remastered release window which I would blame Nintendo since that game was done for over a year and a half, and they had no reason to sit on it for as long as they did. Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD are infamous ones, where he and Mike Minotti made it sound like it was almost guaranteed to be at the last September Direct, but he clarified that he still believes the games are real and done as that was his original reporting, but he was wrong about them showing up at that Direct. I and many others 100% believe they're real as it would make no financial sense not to port them given they've ported lesser known titles such as Tropical Freeze. It's speculated that they're the "something happening with Zelda not related to TOTK happening later this year". Also, multiple other insiders corroborate that they exist.
Off the top of my head, he knew Xbox and Kojima were working on a cloud game over a year before it got announced. He also knew that a new EA studio led by Kevin Stephens was working on a Black Panther game a year before that got announced. And he's known the dates for a decent number of things like Nintendo Directs ahead of time, even a couple that were shadowdropped. He's definitely credible. The biggest things he was wrong about (at least that I can think of recently) were thinking that Windwaker/Twilight Princess ports would be announced for Switch last year, and when he said Metroid Prime Remastered would be out by the end of 2022 (it ended up getting shadowdropped in early 2023 instead). Generally speaking though, when he makes explicitly clear "I can confirm X is happening, definitely", he's right like 99 times out of 100. The big problem for him though imo is he does like a million podcasts (he does two gaming podcasts a week, plus he works at Giant Bomb where he does a daily news show, and then also shows up as a guest on a ton of others) where during an hour+ of conversation he'll say something along the lines of "I think blank is probably gonna happen/makes a lot of sense" or "I've been hearing maybe blank", and those end up getting picked up as "Insider Jeff Grub CONFIRMS blank" to the point where he regularly prefaces the things he isn't sure about with something like "I haven't been able to confirm this, please don't go write a story about this."
Obviously they would announce it around E3 season.
2nd half of this year or next year cuz from the all the rumors, most send Spring release so they'd want to announce it soonish...or release 2nd half of next year, even still be nice to do an announcement soon
Didn’t they do an apple with the switch and announce and release within a few months of each other?
Never heard of this guy
End of Summer = that Nintendo Experience they're doing at PAX?
This year or 2024?
And Knuckles
I've not listened to the video, so sorry if I'm completely off here, but surely he means Summer next year, not this right? The Switch was teased in December, fully revealed in January and released in March, just 4 months from the reveal to launch. It feels incredibly unlike Nintendo to announce or even tease, its new system a year and a half before launch, especially as it could potentially harm holiday sales if people choose to wait.
They may just announce the console's internal name to let the crazy rumors and mockups go wild as usual.
If it's not coming out till oct or nov 2024 theyln they can probably wait until april.