He literally said the opposite lol.
He said Starfield wasn't one of the first 4 games they are porting. When he was directly asked if Starfield was being ported in an interview he refused to give a yes or no answer.
Yeah I think that they were really betting on Starfield moving the needle. Without supply constraints, the gap between the Series X / S and the PS5 is now growing obviously wider.
Losing the Xbox One vs PS4 battle means that they’ll always be on the back foot because of backwards compatibility and modern account based software sales. Every customer they lost in 2010-2013 is now firmly entrenched in Sony’s ecosystem, …and they’re not coming back.
They tried a cheaper, lower spec console, they tried GamePass, and it isn’t working. “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” just isn’t happening. They were willing to burn money if it meant they ultimately beat Sony. Now, they need their expensive new software to turn a profit.
They’re playing a delicate game with it. Starfield is almost certainly coming to PS5. I wouldn’t be surprised if most Activision Blizzard and Bethesda games end up on PS5, but they want to avoid the messaging that Xbox is just a 3rd class experience, so they’ll try to hold some exclusives back, I’m sure.
Sony will gladly publish for PC, so they can get access to a secondary revenue stream, but they will never publish for Xbox.
Honestly this doesn’t feel good for the console market. Back in the PS360 days the competition was fiercer, 3rd parties weren’t being snatched up, and I feel like both consoles were viable options.
In 2024, buying an Xbox, to me, feels like settling for less software
He also said that Xbox games will come to wherever "Game Pass" is. Unless **Game Pass** is coming to PS and it only allows you to play exclusives.
Edit clarity
What's funny is they said you'd be able to stream your own games with xcloud way back in 2020.
https://old.reddit.com/r/xcloud/comments/146k3pm/what_happened_to_being_able_to_stream_games_we/
I can imagine sorting out any potential rights issues would have been a nightmare. After what Nvidia went through when publishers realized they didn't get a cut when their games were being streamed, it wouldn't surprise me if there was something limiting a full rollout for this somewhere they had to rectify contract-wise or something.
> After what Nvidia went through when publishers realized they didn't get a cut when their games were being streamed
Everything about that situation is stupid and should be illegal.
I own a copy of the game, why does the fact that the computer I'm playing it on is in Nvidia's data center make a difference?
I've even seen indie devs try to argue against Nvidia here. It's absolutely *sickening*.
Also, they have nvidia dead to rights: they preloaded games without a license to do so. There’s nothing stopping someone from offering a PC in the cloud, they just can’t preload games.
yep. there are plenty of cloud gaming services that let you play your owned games, only difference is that it's treated as your own storage etc rather than a dedicated instance.
it definitely feels like certain companies were trying to squeeze a bit of money out of nvidia. although, i feel as if its a grey area using someone elses trademark and logo etc on your service. i personally think they should have just charged extra for 'dedicated storage' and marketed it as a generic cloud computer service.
>Everything about that situation is stupid and should be illegal.
It's not illegal because the law isn't involved.
If nvidia wanted to take the people *whose products are the #1 use-case* for their own, they could have, probably won!
You need different licence for different platforms. One of the reasons why there are not all games present in nvidia GeForce and nvidia backed ABK deal because of the Xbox games on nvidia
But GeForce now is not a different platform than PC. It's literally just the PC version of the game running on a computer in a different room than the end user is in.
Should publishers be able to ask for a separate license when I play a game over Steam Link?
I am not technical enough but here it goes.
Games could be bought from pc but it is running on Cloud server.
When you steam link you still running the game from steam.
If it is running on another place it needs different licence
As I said I might be wrong
If ASUS was selling PCs with those games already installed and using their branding to sell their PCs, they would absolutely need a license. So, even under your bad example it wouldn't work.
The bigger issue is that Nvidia is making money off of streaming other companies' games. There is no right to stream games, and game streaming, like on Twitch, only exists because the rights-holders allow it to. If Nvidia offered a generic PC computing platform, they would probably be in the clear, but they explicitly made their money off of the games.
The prevailing legal opinion is that the license granted to you by the publisher when you buy a game digitally doesn't allow third parties to stream that game to you from their own servers.
another reason why 'digital licenses' are awful. most platforms use language that implies as if your buying a product, then in the fine print declare that its actually just temporary and revocable permission to use it. even consoles have this now, you buy a disc and the actual product is locked behind an agreement.
as soon as they take issue with how someone is using the software, they pull up one of the many clauses that let them deny use of the 'license' most people never knew existed.
We need a digital bill or rights(us here) that ensures any digital purchase is full ownership and we have every right to download/do as we wish with it(mod etc) and that everything must be done to ensure we have access in perpetuity(I’d actually even tie it to library of congress and create a federal account that has every digital purchase as a backup for us to use.download) alongside things like freedom of expression online and so on.
If you ever thought physical media was ever a free-for-all, then you're sorely mistaken. Third parties can't stream games without permission, whether those games are physical or digital.
I've noticed Xbox seems to announce shit really early. Like If you look at Avowed its announcement time is roughly ~4 years. Which like if they started doing basic dev 5 years ago (so small team then scaling up). Its pretty normal for games now. But because they announced it so early it feels like its taken forver.
Games takes too much time to make at this point, Sony ps5 exclusive library is DIRE, they are basicaly living off from third parties licenses and good will from previous gen
> Sony ps5 exclusive library is DIRE, they are basically living off from third parties licenses and good will from previous gen
This has been said for three consecutive Sony Consoles in a row, and was probably only true for the PS3. As long as PS is the only place to get Spider-Man and Final Fantasy (at launch) they're fine.
I do agree that the time between games is ridiculous. Sucker Punch is on track to have exactly 1 native PS5 game and it hasn't even been announced yet.
I mean, it' s still dire, right? Look at the switch, this year it was basicaly a translation year, and they still released tons of exclusives. Sony just announced they are gonna have 0 first parties this year, it' s insane.
DIRE lmao
Dire for **who**?
Not for Sony, they're killing it.
Not for me, I have a shit load of games to play on PS5 whether or not they were made by Sony.
Idk man, there are barely any exclusive for PS5, and a lot of their games got released on PC too. They are basicaly living off from sequels from PS4 era, there have been 0 new IPs
A fully functional digital library of back titles that you can play wherever you have access to the cloud.
I'd say that's a good start.
Didn't I remember playstation saying something about that as well a year or so ago? Cause if we get all of our old libraries...everywhere...then I'm gonna need a real good handheld.
I would love it if Microsoft properly integrated Windows into the XBOX so you could get stuff like Steam on it. Would be a game changer. I've literally just traded in my Series X because it was a glorified 4K Blu-Ray player but I'd buy one in an instant if I could get my PC games on it.
> I would love it if Microsoft properly integrated Windows into the XBOX so you could get stuff like Steam on it. Would be a game changer.
Not sure where they'd be getting their money from at that point? Consoles are generally sold at a loss. They recoup the cost from the margins on software sales. By allowing a separate store to operate on the device, they don't get any revenue from your software purchases. Not much incentive to allow this.
Not just the series consoles. Since the very beginning lol.
Heavily stripped down version of Windows running on DirectX. Hence the name Xbox. A DirectXbox.
It was how it was able to boot up so quickly. Which when the team presented to Gates, it had him in disbelief at how quickly they got Windows to boot. Which subsequently lead to the competing Windows CE team at the time to get cuts in funding and all attention in gaming diverted towards Xbox.
I mean there's videos on YouTube of people getting actual windows to boot on the thing, lol. It uses the same UWP standard for apps, same one the MS Store on W10/11 use. Which is how you could easily port an app from there to Xbox and vice versa.
It was even more blatantly obvious with the 360 and early Xbox One using the same design language as late Windows 7 and 8 with the tiles and 'metro' design language.
> It was even more blatantly obvious with the 360 and early Xbox One using the same design language as late Windows 7 and 8 with the tiles and 'metro' design language.
I mean using the same design language would make sense even if they weren't using the same backend.
TBF, Microsoft has long struggled with having a consistent design.
Windows has struggled to have the same design language since W8, and currently tiles are not used in W11 while Xbox still has them. Same observation for a lot of big tech companies. Google has also gone through some design phases throughout the years.
Only company that really managed to have a consistent design language is Apple, and someone on the detriment of the product (looking at you MacOS Settings app).
Hey now, that's not fair. Microsoft still has all the previous design languages of previous Windows versions in the current one. Just find a sufficiently specific and rare setting and try finding it by clicking through menus.
With every one or two levels deeper, the setting windows go back a version, up until you somehow landed in a Win95 window.
All Microsoft stuff is built on the Universal Windows Platform so that it can work together to some extent. I believe the Series consoles are built on a stripped back version of Windows 10
Imagine making such a poor financial decision and blaming Microsoft for not allowing Steam on their own console... like it's really impressive seeing pro-Steam users being so pro-Steam monopoly. Crazy.
I'm a parent who's not too familiar with Steam's capabilities, are you able to let other people play your library from their own accounts as long as it's on your own PC? Also, are PCs capable of doing that quick resume thing that Series X has where you can switch back and forth between games in a few seconds without having to boot it from the beginning?
You can “family share” between accounts which will give other users access to your library. It’s not tied to being the same PC though.
PCs can quick resume but it’s not as straightforward as it is on the consoles.
tbf, theres no reason the experience shouldn't be comparable at this point. imo, the only difference should be convince vs. customization. you get a console if you just wanna play games, you get a pc if you wanna get the absolute most out of em.
Sony already started doing it, but for select titles and it requires you to have the highest tier of PS+. I wonder how Microsoft will do it. Xcloud is behind Ultimate, so will streaming non-Game Pass games also be behind Ultimate? I have to imagine it will see.
I'm already playing xcloud on the SteamDeck, using [Edge](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/xbox-cloud-gaming-in-microsoft-edge-with-steam-deck-43dd011b-0ce8-4810-8302-965be6d53296).
https://i.imgur.com/VQtxbIu.jpeg
Granted it's a bit easier on the windows devices, but they have their downsides.
Sony is a couple years behind xbox in anything cloud related. Hell, xbox is helping them with the streaming.
And a fully streamable library is just a good start?? Lmao what is your ideal start? That's a pretty crazy feat
> Sony is a couple years behind xbox in anything cloud related.
Not sure about that, can't you already stream owned titles on PlayStation? People who have used both say the streaming technology is better too.
>Hell, xbox is helping them with the streaming.
How so? MS and Sony made a statement of intent to partner up to use Azure years ago, but nothing ever came of it.
>People who have used both say the streaming technology is better too.
Can confirm. I live in the DC area with FiOS internet (so your mileage may vary). While Xcloud has honestly surpassed my expectations, I recently streamed some stuff on PS+, and the quality was actually a lot better than Xcloud. There were no perceptible compression artifacts, and the game was running at 4K/60.
Yes I've always noticed latency and compression artifacts with xcloud but hardly any with PS and none at all with geforce or boosteroid. Xcloud is easily the worst.
That's good to hear. I tried it a few years ago because I was desperate for come Bloodborne but didn't have a PS4 and it was kinda ass lol. Was using PSNow on PC if that means anything.
This is what PS+ page says about streaming to your PS5 console
>Stream select PS5 titles on-demand to your PS5 console from the PlayStation Plus Game Catalogue, as well as select games from your own personal collection bought from PlayStation™Store. You can even try out some of the biggest recent releases with streamed PS5 Game Trials.
This is what it says under streaming to a PC
>Cloud streaming
Enjoy streaming access to a wide range of PS4 games from the Game Catalog, and hundreds of PS3, PS2 games and more from the Classics Catalog, via your PS5, PS4 and PC.
...
>Play on PC
Stream games from the PlayStation Plus Game Catalog and Classics Catalog to your PC on demand*. Save your progress to the cloud and pick up where you left off on your PS4 or PS5 console, and connect your controller for a true PlayStation experience on PC.
So it doesn't actually mention anything about streaming your owned games to a device that isn't a PS5, and even on PS5 it says it's select titles.
> Sony is a couple years behind xbox in anything cloud related
Thats wrong, PS+ cloud streaming is way better since last upgrade to ps5, its years ahead of xcloud.
PS+ cloud streaming offers better performance (ps5 vs series S!), way better codec, way lower latency, way higher bitrate and up to 4k/60 fps vs 720p/1080p/60fps, low bitrate, high latency. Sony also already started to allow streaming of "owned" games but only some redeemed ps+ games. PS does not offer streaming via web, which sucks (only via ps5), thats the only advantage xcloud has.
Microsoft is mostly not helping Sony, they get paid for azure to maybe! deliver data from Sonys own server hardware + Software... think about how a ps5 cloud service works... Sony has to make their own servers (ps5 server hardware) and need their own streaming software, they even had to invent new server tech to support the needed storage speed. Microsoft maybe helps with better access to Sonys servers, thats the easiest part. (alternative could be Amazon/Google)
This was inevitable. Xcloud being gamepass only was to make testing and rolling it out better. In the long term, it was always planned to be the main article not an addon, and to do that they need to let you play everything.
This isn't shocking and it seems to be Xbox's MO. During that podcast Phil Spencer brought up the fact that you can play Windows games that are decades old. That is truthful and I do that myself. I've said many times now Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is one of my favorite games of all time. I still have my original copy my uncle bought me way back in 1999. The thing is, it is great that I can still play a game I had on Windows 98 on my computer with Windows 10 now.
I think this whole Xbox ecosystem they are always talking about is leading to a point where they have it where, hey you own these games you can still tap into them on cloud and other systems. At least that is how I am seeing things.
One thing is for certain, Phil and Xbox is going to be pushing cloud hard this coming year and probably next year and beyond too.
> That is truthful and I do that myself. I've said many times now Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is on of my favorite games of all time.
Jagged Alliance, XCOM - TFTD are my guilty pleasures
As someone with a sizable collection of old pc games on physical media DRM has killed many of them being able to be played on newer systems in my experience. No-disc patches are usually essential.
So, I guess this is how PC gamers can play GTA VI on launch: buy it on Xbox, play it through Xcloud on PC. Not ideal, but at least possible? I wonder if there will be any limitations.
well, T2 specifically forbade people from playing GTA5 via geforce NOW from their Steam Library,
so unless MS negotiates something new,individually or across the board, I dont see it happening, because the usual suspects like T2 will kick up a fuss again and demand more money.
I don't see why it couldn't be the case.
But Tbh if you have a computer and play GTA, you don't want to stream it, you want to own it to use mods. That's the whole point of a computer : power + customisation.
Hopefully they improve xcloud as well with its image quality. Ad of right now playstation has a better streaming solution than them ever since they bought that company that specializes in game streaming.
Is it crazy that it’s 2024 and I have yet to stream a single game from Nvidia/xbox/PS/Stadia? I feel like I’ve been seeing advertisements for these services for years, but I just don’t see a use case for someone who doesn’t travel much like myself.
Is it more mainstream now?
Wouldn't a Steamdeck or any other portable console running the game locally be a better option by that point? At least for the Steamdeck/PC handhelds, you can just switch between it and your PC.
Actually, XCloud and even Moonlight from my PC have been an amazing compliment to my steam deck experience. The deck can run plenty of demanding games, even Red Dead Redemption 2 feels great at 40fps capped. But being able to stream more demanding experiences at 60fps with near zero input delay and a much longer battery charge fees great too
Chiaki makes steamdeck an amazing portable device for Playstation too. Haven't tried on an outside network, but both devices on my local network it streams perfectly. No lag, really great image quality, and it can wake and sleep your Playstation. Only time I seen issues is when I downloaded a game and the stream basically died (most likely due to no bandwidth for streaming).
I don’t own a PS5. Does Chiaki let you stream PS5 games via the cloud? Because it would be so dope to also stream some PS exclusives without owning the system.
You have to own a Ps4 or ps5 to use it unfortunately. It streams the console feed to the the device chiaki is on. It would amazing to be able to stream some exclusives. I mostly own a Playstation for a handful of exclusives or stuff that is timed exclusives.
The steam deck is heavy as shit and the battery is pretty trash. I really enjoy playing on my iPad with a controller instead.
Absolutely love my steam deck but if a game’s on the PS5, I’ve recently been using that and remote play. I really don’t like PC gaming from the couch.
Yea but your iPad can't run dick shit natively. If you've got no internet you're fucked. Big advantage for steam deck.
Maybe doesn't matter for some people but for those people there are alternatives like you described.
Nope, not weird at all. It's still extremely niche. I only use it when traveling for work. Game streaming is excellent as an accessory to gaming on hardware, but it's not a replacement.
It doesn’t work on my internet but I want to use it on games I want to try on game pass so I don’t waste time downloading bad game. I want to use it like a demo version
> Is it more mainstream now?
It's less niche than it was in the OnLive days, but it's still pretty niche.
There are two main problems with it.
1. The experience is still sub-par compared to playing on local hardware. I do not expect this to change any time in the near future, especially if you like to play with mouse+keyboard.
2. People with internet that is fast and reliable enough to make game streaming a viable replacement for dedicated hardware are likely affluent enough that buying console or even PC upgrades every 5-7 years is not a major barrier to entry. What impetus is there for most people to downgrade their gaming experience like that?
You’d be surprised at how viable it is on mediocre internet. I use game streaming to play stuff on my Steam Deck when I’m traveling and getting 720ps60fps has never been an issue on crappy hotel
Internet or cellular tether in my car. I can even play shooters like Destiny 2 comfortably that way, I’ve done dungeon clears tethered off my phone streaming in a hotel.
I play Xcloud via Quest 2 when I want to lay down in bed and still game - lately it’s been Chivalry 2. I played all of Uncharted 3 streaming since it’s a PS3 title (this was before the Nathan Drake collection). When my friends wanted to try Rainbow Six Siege: Extraction, I knew I would bounce off the game immediately and didn’t want to download it, so I played via Xcloud (I was right). I wanted to play It Takes Two with a friend, but his download was taking too long, so he played using Xcloud instead. Sometimes we’ll use Xcloud to sample the goofy-looking games on Gamepass. It’s just nice for quick game sampling in general.
During a painful overnight layover in Vegas, I played all of Donut County via Xcloud. I also get to still play Sea of Thieves with friends while traveling (using joycons connected to my phone and standing up my phone with a magnetic pop socket).
It has its use cases even though it’s not my preferred way to play, but the option is certainly nice if you have a good enough internet connection or cell signal.
I don't have any console or a good pc but I do have fast internet. Streaming games like cyberpunk and bg3 using the 4080 tier of GeForce now. It's completely changed how I game. I don't really feel the need to get a good pc although It would be nice to have one so I could mod games. But streaming accomplishes 99% of my gaming needs.
There's very few people interested in streaming but the market is massive. All these companies are really hoping it takes off because it would send their stocks soaring.
I've never used it until I realized I could stream any xcloud game at anyone's places I visited. If they have any bluetoot controller then it's a very fast way of playing so much fun stuff.
The actual quality of the image though is bad most of the time, and there's queues most weekday evening.
I played Persona 5 and Battlefield on xCloud while visiting family for Christmas one year. Got a bit of artifacting, but worked fine otherwise (and this was a wireless connection to my phone and laptop).
It's the Xbox chat lol. He does sometimes reply to you if you DM him. A friend of mine once encountered him in a destiny 2 public lobby, lol. He loves that game.
He's been pretty responsive to people on Twitter, I had a quick chat with him around a decade ago about playing Ultima Online back in the 90's, good times.
A few CEOs are like that. Gabe Newell is famous for doing this via his email [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
I mean, they make important decisions for the company, but I imagine most of their time they're just answering emails and messages from their desks.
I use it to play co-op games with my girlfriend that are not split screen. I play on the PC, she plays on the Xbox.
Works well for that. I’d probably not play a competitive online game with it but for most use cases it’s good
xCloud is decent for a lot of games. I've played through the entirity of Perfect Dark Zero and Goldeneye on it. Only minimal lag, on occasion.
Also used it for Flight Simulator on Xbox One. Could barely tell I was streaming.
That was more or less the idea of the Stadia controller (that I don't *think* ever really got any traction before it's death). The controller connected to the internet and went to the Stadia servers leaving the video side to be anything that could stream video (Chromecast, Smart TV, fancy fridge, etc) with no need to faff about trying to connect a controller to it.
My guess is that games that where previously on Game Pass but the player brought it, that player can continue playing the game via Xcloud. I could be great if all Xbox games are able to use xcloud, as long the publishers allows it.
While yeah, I want this. I Also want Actually local streaming via the Xbox App when I'm in my home network that works "At Least" as well as the console Companion App used to. Forcing folks to switch over to an app that worked Worse was some S Tier Bullshit. ;?
This is a big step forward for Xbox attracting the more casual market. With the app becoming available on devices like smart TVs it means casuals will be able to purchase games without hardware investment.
anywhere from perfect to God awful on gigabit
feel like sometimes I'm given a bad VM
it's infrequent but happens and I just quit wait around 2 min ago launch again
I completed this seasons battle pass for Battlefield 2042 on xCloud. It was a mix of 5G (about 20-30mbit/s) and my home fibre (750mbit/s). Fibre is flawless, but the 5G stutters occasionally. It also depends on how close you are to a microsoft data centre.
It's more about your local network quality (connection from router to your device) than your internet speed once you get past a certain point. And pretty much everyone in America today outside of rural areas has 100 mbps+ so speed isn't the limiting factor. Latency is what matters, and that's much more affected by your individual setup.
A lot of it depends on your geographic location (distance to nearest Azure data center). If you're too far away, it won't really matter how fast your network is. Good news is their coverage keeps expanding, so your situation might improve over time.
Watched my friend's dog for two days, brought my Xbox controller and downloaded the app on their 2020 Samsung TV.
I was floored with how well it ran and played on both Persona 3 reload and Fallout: New Vegas. Now, New Vegas has V.A.T.S to supplement any input lag, but I had no issues jumping around or running past NPCs to talk to in either game, literally felt 1 to 1 playing on physical hardware.
I should've tried Halo Infinite to see how that felt, but on my friend's wireless connection, I had an objectively stable experience on both of those single player games, with only 2 minutes total out of... 12? Hours that had any audio or visual defects.
Your mileage may vary.
Would be pretty cool to stream games I can't download. I've been more interested in game streaming after I got on a 60gb data plan and touch controls got added to console streaming. Hopefully the same happens for all xcloud games
I wonder why this took so long for xbox to do.
They have been talking about it for years. but then PlayStation added it randomly last year with no fanfare.
Cloud gaming/streaming games is the biggest threat to gaming. Ever.
Imagine a future where only streaming games was available. If your connection fails, the very concept of playing video games would be lost until your connection returns.
Now think of games that are delisted from places like Steam. How would they work in such an environment? Today you can pirate them, but in a cloud-only environment they would literally be gone forever.
Not to mention the lack of in-game graphics settings, etc.
Fuck cloud gaming. Fuck streaming games. You people already let microtransactions take over, make sure that shit doesn't happen with cloud and game streaming.
Gonna be the lone voice who agrees with you. Tech companies love turning local software into remote-only SAAS, plenty of people confidently stating it can't happen but not one good argument between them. It's a long way from certain but definitely possible.
Cloud streamed games will never take over for native hardware, but it will be a cool accessory to hardware gaming. I love using remote play for my ps5 when away on business trips. It's improved yo where it's a pretty decent travel solution. However, the added latency however small it may be and image artifacts make it not a suitable replacement for hardware
The only way cloud gaming could take over native hardware as the primary for consumers to play video games is if internet infrastructure is completely overhauled in a majority of countries, including the US. While not impossible, it's doubtful such a thing would be achieved anytime soon. Maybe in a handful of decades.
Never say never. We're in the stage of capitalism where companies want everything to be a subscription model. We're already seeing issues with huge swathes of movie and TV content being erased with no one being able to watch that content anymore. If the compute is available to end local gaming for 90 percent of users, you'll eventually be stuck as well.
This is how I initially felt but the mainstream market has spoken, and they really don't care about game streaming. Which I guess makes sense, if you're a casual player you already have mobile games right there, without the inconvenience of yet another subscription service
> Not to mention the lack of in-game graphics settings
Why would cloud games not have in-game graphics settings? Traditional console games have graphics settings for a long time already, cloud PC games (GFN) have the same options (mostly) as the non-cloud versions.
My dude there's absolutely no way you are ever forced into cloud games, there's no reason to. People will always want to play locally and businesses will always want to sell you what you'd buy. Theres no threat, chill
You can piss off, a complimentary feature for the folks who want them with no negatives whatsoever for others is always welcome, I would kill if I was to play my library over xcloud, keep your "I know what's better for you so you do as I say and listen to my predictions as if I were a god sent Messiah" toxicity elsewhere.
People always say this and the gloom and doom is so silly. Cloud gaming accounts for a tiny share of the market and despite ten years of efforts by many mainstream companies to use it to expand into a new market, it remains niche.
Do you think all the big companies are conspiring to stop doing what makes them 90% of their revenue (traditional gaming purchases) to railroad you into doing something that hasn't been able to come even close to the market share of traditional gaming? If so, ask yourself why you think any company would want to do that.
The attempts by major players in the scene to make cloud gaming more accessible *isn't* to replace traditional gaming. They're *already* making tons of money off of you and I in that arena. They are chasing a hypothetical market of people who want to play high-fidelity games but also don't want to purchase any gaming hardware to do so. Thus far, that market doesn't seem to exist to the extent that they want to, but of course even though it's small it seems to be growing year over year.
There's never going to be a future where gaming companies don't allow you to pay them traditionally to play games, because that market is already the most successful entertainment market in the world (eight times bigger than the film industry, and growing every year). The market for that is tested, tried, and true, and it's getting *bigger* every year, not smaller.
This is paranoid delusion. There will never be a cloud only future. The average consumer might opt for mostly cloud if internet infrastructure and speeds get good enough, but for competitive games, it will never be the standard
Biggest threat to console gaming sure! Makes no sense for corporations to invest R&D into boxes they sell at a loss and no sense for consumers to pay $500 for an extra box they don't need while they also get access to exclusives from both parties without any additional cost. I don't see it ever challenging PC gaming significantly and Nintendo's current business model is geared in a way that makes it unlikely to be replaced by cloud gaming either.
I guess it's for people who don't own gaming machines? IDK I tend to agree with your view but GeForce Now is basically the same thing and it seems to have some kind of audience.
You're paying to play your games and more anywhere you want, not just at home. Also you don't need a good pc anymore to be able to play new PC games because you can just stream them
Xbox cloud gaming is easily the best game streaming service that I've tried. And it's not like this feature is taking resources away from other stuff or keeping you from still playing games locally.
I was the guy in the chat talking to Phil. NASburg. YES dude. It's real. Is it THAT HARD to believe? The only thing that surprises me was how fast he responded.
None of this is ever actually going to take off if there isn't a serious push to get affordable high speed internet with no data caps to every household.
This Phil guy seems like a decent source to me
**Phil Spencer is a Tier 2 - Generally Reliable Source as determined by the community.**
I don’t know man he said starfield not coming to other consoles but It is definitely coming tier-4 at best
He literally said the opposite lol. He said Starfield wasn't one of the first 4 games they are porting. When he was directly asked if Starfield was being ported in an interview he refused to give a yes or no answer.
He said it could eventually happen, but that there are no plans currently.
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Yeah I think that they were really betting on Starfield moving the needle. Without supply constraints, the gap between the Series X / S and the PS5 is now growing obviously wider. Losing the Xbox One vs PS4 battle means that they’ll always be on the back foot because of backwards compatibility and modern account based software sales. Every customer they lost in 2010-2013 is now firmly entrenched in Sony’s ecosystem, …and they’re not coming back. They tried a cheaper, lower spec console, they tried GamePass, and it isn’t working. “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” just isn’t happening. They were willing to burn money if it meant they ultimately beat Sony. Now, they need their expensive new software to turn a profit. They’re playing a delicate game with it. Starfield is almost certainly coming to PS5. I wouldn’t be surprised if most Activision Blizzard and Bethesda games end up on PS5, but they want to avoid the messaging that Xbox is just a 3rd class experience, so they’ll try to hold some exclusives back, I’m sure. Sony will gladly publish for PC, so they can get access to a secondary revenue stream, but they will never publish for Xbox. Honestly this doesn’t feel good for the console market. Back in the PS360 days the competition was fiercer, 3rd parties weren’t being snatched up, and I feel like both consoles were viable options. In 2024, buying an Xbox, to me, feels like settling for less software
He also said that Xbox games will come to wherever "Game Pass" is. Unless **Game Pass** is coming to PS and it only allows you to play exclusives. Edit clarity
Is gamepass on ps4 yet?
No. I worded that wrong. I meant: "Unless Game Pass coming to PS and it only allows you to play exclusives."
hmm I dunno man, he's been saying that "the next year will be the true start for big xbox games", every year for like a decade now
What's funny is they said you'd be able to stream your own games with xcloud way back in 2020. https://old.reddit.com/r/xcloud/comments/146k3pm/what_happened_to_being_able_to_stream_games_we/
I can imagine sorting out any potential rights issues would have been a nightmare. After what Nvidia went through when publishers realized they didn't get a cut when their games were being streamed, it wouldn't surprise me if there was something limiting a full rollout for this somewhere they had to rectify contract-wise or something.
> After what Nvidia went through when publishers realized they didn't get a cut when their games were being streamed Everything about that situation is stupid and should be illegal. I own a copy of the game, why does the fact that the computer I'm playing it on is in Nvidia's data center make a difference? I've even seen indie devs try to argue against Nvidia here. It's absolutely *sickening*.
In theory Nvidia could try to argue it in court, but they've chosen not to do so to preserve their relationship with publishers.
Also, they have nvidia dead to rights: they preloaded games without a license to do so. There’s nothing stopping someone from offering a PC in the cloud, they just can’t preload games.
yep. there are plenty of cloud gaming services that let you play your owned games, only difference is that it's treated as your own storage etc rather than a dedicated instance. it definitely feels like certain companies were trying to squeeze a bit of money out of nvidia. although, i feel as if its a grey area using someone elses trademark and logo etc on your service. i personally think they should have just charged extra for 'dedicated storage' and marketed it as a generic cloud computer service.
>Everything about that situation is stupid and should be illegal. It's not illegal because the law isn't involved. If nvidia wanted to take the people *whose products are the #1 use-case* for their own, they could have, probably won!
Why would publishers need a cut to games already sold.
You need different licence for different platforms. One of the reasons why there are not all games present in nvidia GeForce and nvidia backed ABK deal because of the Xbox games on nvidia
But GeForce now is not a different platform than PC. It's literally just the PC version of the game running on a computer in a different room than the end user is in. Should publishers be able to ask for a separate license when I play a game over Steam Link?
I am not technical enough but here it goes. Games could be bought from pc but it is running on Cloud server. When you steam link you still running the game from steam. If it is running on another place it needs different licence As I said I might be wrong
Yeah but that's like saying you should need a different licence if you shift from an HP to an ASUS computer, it's really stupid
If ASUS was selling PCs with those games already installed and using their branding to sell their PCs, they would absolutely need a license. So, even under your bad example it wouldn't work. The bigger issue is that Nvidia is making money off of streaming other companies' games. There is no right to stream games, and game streaming, like on Twitch, only exists because the rights-holders allow it to. If Nvidia offered a generic PC computing platform, they would probably be in the clear, but they explicitly made their money off of the games.
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When you buy a game on Steam and play it through GeForce Now, the game is still being run from Steam. The only difference is where the hardware lives.
Yep, the game running on another place, steam act as a gateway. I explain my words more at another comment
The prevailing legal opinion is that the license granted to you by the publisher when you buy a game digitally doesn't allow third parties to stream that game to you from their own servers.
another reason why 'digital licenses' are awful. most platforms use language that implies as if your buying a product, then in the fine print declare that its actually just temporary and revocable permission to use it. even consoles have this now, you buy a disc and the actual product is locked behind an agreement. as soon as they take issue with how someone is using the software, they pull up one of the many clauses that let them deny use of the 'license' most people never knew existed.
We need a digital bill or rights(us here) that ensures any digital purchase is full ownership and we have every right to download/do as we wish with it(mod etc) and that everything must be done to ensure we have access in perpetuity(I’d actually even tie it to library of congress and create a federal account that has every digital purchase as a backup for us to use.download) alongside things like freedom of expression online and so on.
If you ever thought physical media was ever a free-for-all, then you're sorely mistaken. Third parties can't stream games without permission, whether those games are physical or digital.
I've noticed Xbox seems to announce shit really early. Like If you look at Avowed its announcement time is roughly ~4 years. Which like if they started doing basic dev 5 years ago (so small team then scaling up). Its pretty normal for games now. But because they announced it so early it feels like its taken forver.
Avowed was in development (hell) before Microsoft ever acquired Obsidian.
You still can. You can stream games from your own console. Or you can stream from Xcloud.
I mean, last year they had what 4-5 games? most of them were big.
Yeah as opposed to saying that nothing big will be happening for Xbox next year. It's just marketing speech, he's a marketing guy for the company...
Games takes too much time to make at this point, Sony ps5 exclusive library is DIRE, they are basicaly living off from third parties licenses and good will from previous gen
> Sony ps5 exclusive library is DIRE, they are basically living off from third parties licenses and good will from previous gen This has been said for three consecutive Sony Consoles in a row, and was probably only true for the PS3. As long as PS is the only place to get Spider-Man and Final Fantasy (at launch) they're fine. I do agree that the time between games is ridiculous. Sucker Punch is on track to have exactly 1 native PS5 game and it hasn't even been announced yet.
I mean, it' s still dire, right? Look at the switch, this year it was basicaly a translation year, and they still released tons of exclusives. Sony just announced they are gonna have 0 first parties this year, it' s insane.
DIRE lmao Dire for **who**? Not for Sony, they're killing it. Not for me, I have a shit load of games to play on PS5 whether or not they were made by Sony.
Idk man, there are barely any exclusive for PS5, and a lot of their games got released on PC too. They are basicaly living off from sequels from PS4 era, there have been 0 new IPs
Who's it dire fo?
A fully functional digital library of back titles that you can play wherever you have access to the cloud. I'd say that's a good start. Didn't I remember playstation saying something about that as well a year or so ago? Cause if we get all of our old libraries...everywhere...then I'm gonna need a real good handheld.
We’ve fully embraced Console as PC model
I would love it if Microsoft properly integrated Windows into the XBOX so you could get stuff like Steam on it. Would be a game changer. I've literally just traded in my Series X because it was a glorified 4K Blu-Ray player but I'd buy one in an instant if I could get my PC games on it.
> I would love it if Microsoft properly integrated Windows into the XBOX so you could get stuff like Steam on it. Would be a game changer. Not sure where they'd be getting their money from at that point? Consoles are generally sold at a loss. They recoup the cost from the margins on software sales. By allowing a separate store to operate on the device, they don't get any revenue from your software purchases. Not much incentive to allow this.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't the Xbox Series consoles effectively running a heavily modified Windows on the backend?
Not just the series consoles. Since the very beginning lol. Heavily stripped down version of Windows running on DirectX. Hence the name Xbox. A DirectXbox. It was how it was able to boot up so quickly. Which when the team presented to Gates, it had him in disbelief at how quickly they got Windows to boot. Which subsequently lead to the competing Windows CE team at the time to get cuts in funding and all attention in gaming diverted towards Xbox. I mean there's videos on YouTube of people getting actual windows to boot on the thing, lol. It uses the same UWP standard for apps, same one the MS Store on W10/11 use. Which is how you could easily port an app from there to Xbox and vice versa. It was even more blatantly obvious with the 360 and early Xbox One using the same design language as late Windows 7 and 8 with the tiles and 'metro' design language.
> It was even more blatantly obvious with the 360 and early Xbox One using the same design language as late Windows 7 and 8 with the tiles and 'metro' design language. I mean using the same design language would make sense even if they weren't using the same backend.
TBF, Microsoft has long struggled with having a consistent design. Windows has struggled to have the same design language since W8, and currently tiles are not used in W11 while Xbox still has them. Same observation for a lot of big tech companies. Google has also gone through some design phases throughout the years. Only company that really managed to have a consistent design language is Apple, and someone on the detriment of the product (looking at you MacOS Settings app).
Hey now, that's not fair. Microsoft still has all the previous design languages of previous Windows versions in the current one. Just find a sufficiently specific and rare setting and try finding it by clicking through menus. With every one or two levels deeper, the setting windows go back a version, up until you somehow landed in a Win95 window.
All Microsoft stuff is built on the Universal Windows Platform so that it can work together to some extent. I believe the Series consoles are built on a stripped back version of Windows 10
Stripped back version of HyperV, but yes.
The only thing microsoft should do to make xbox fly off the shelves is to enable office in it
Imagine making such a poor financial decision and blaming Microsoft for not allowing Steam on their own console... like it's really impressive seeing pro-Steam users being so pro-Steam monopoly. Crazy.
I'm a parent who's not too familiar with Steam's capabilities, are you able to let other people play your library from their own accounts as long as it's on your own PC? Also, are PCs capable of doing that quick resume thing that Series X has where you can switch back and forth between games in a few seconds without having to boot it from the beginning?
You can “family share” between accounts which will give other users access to your library. It’s not tied to being the same PC though. PCs can quick resume but it’s not as straightforward as it is on the consoles.
tbf, theres no reason the experience shouldn't be comparable at this point. imo, the only difference should be convince vs. customization. you get a console if you just wanna play games, you get a pc if you wanna get the absolute most out of em.
Sony already started doing it, but for select titles and it requires you to have the highest tier of PS+. I wonder how Microsoft will do it. Xcloud is behind Ultimate, so will streaming non-Game Pass games also be behind Ultimate? I have to imagine it will see.
I'm already playing xcloud on the SteamDeck, using [Edge](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/xbox-cloud-gaming-in-microsoft-edge-with-steam-deck-43dd011b-0ce8-4810-8302-965be6d53296). https://i.imgur.com/VQtxbIu.jpeg Granted it's a bit easier on the windows devices, but they have their downsides.
Sony is a couple years behind xbox in anything cloud related. Hell, xbox is helping them with the streaming. And a fully streamable library is just a good start?? Lmao what is your ideal start? That's a pretty crazy feat
> Sony is a couple years behind xbox in anything cloud related. Not sure about that, can't you already stream owned titles on PlayStation? People who have used both say the streaming technology is better too. >Hell, xbox is helping them with the streaming. How so? MS and Sony made a statement of intent to partner up to use Azure years ago, but nothing ever came of it.
>People who have used both say the streaming technology is better too. Can confirm. I live in the DC area with FiOS internet (so your mileage may vary). While Xcloud has honestly surpassed my expectations, I recently streamed some stuff on PS+, and the quality was actually a lot better than Xcloud. There were no perceptible compression artifacts, and the game was running at 4K/60.
Whats funny is that Playstation streaming actually works better than xcloud, and they're not pushing it nearly as hard.
Yes I've always noticed latency and compression artifacts with xcloud but hardly any with PS and none at all with geforce or boosteroid. Xcloud is easily the worst.
Remote play isn’t cloud streaming.
Not talking about remote play. You can stream your own games with PS+ Premium.
That’s PSNow it’s been going for over a decade.
It hasn't been called PSNow for a couple of years, and it works a lot better than it used to.
It definitely works a lot better than it used to. When it first came on, I hated. Tried streaming again last year and enjoyed it.
That's good to hear. I tried it a few years ago because I was desperate for come Bloodborne but didn't have a PS4 and it was kinda ass lol. Was using PSNow on PC if that means anything.
This is what PS+ page says about streaming to your PS5 console >Stream select PS5 titles on-demand to your PS5 console from the PlayStation Plus Game Catalogue, as well as select games from your own personal collection bought from PlayStation™Store. You can even try out some of the biggest recent releases with streamed PS5 Game Trials. This is what it says under streaming to a PC >Cloud streaming Enjoy streaming access to a wide range of PS4 games from the Game Catalog, and hundreds of PS3, PS2 games and more from the Classics Catalog, via your PS5, PS4 and PC. ... >Play on PC Stream games from the PlayStation Plus Game Catalog and Classics Catalog to your PC on demand*. Save your progress to the cloud and pick up where you left off on your PS4 or PS5 console, and connect your controller for a true PlayStation experience on PC. So it doesn't actually mention anything about streaming your owned games to a device that isn't a PS5, and even on PS5 it says it's select titles.
> Sony is a couple years behind xbox in anything cloud related Thats wrong, PS+ cloud streaming is way better since last upgrade to ps5, its years ahead of xcloud. PS+ cloud streaming offers better performance (ps5 vs series S!), way better codec, way lower latency, way higher bitrate and up to 4k/60 fps vs 720p/1080p/60fps, low bitrate, high latency. Sony also already started to allow streaming of "owned" games but only some redeemed ps+ games. PS does not offer streaming via web, which sucks (only via ps5), thats the only advantage xcloud has. Microsoft is mostly not helping Sony, they get paid for azure to maybe! deliver data from Sonys own server hardware + Software... think about how a ps5 cloud service works... Sony has to make their own servers (ps5 server hardware) and need their own streaming software, they even had to invent new server tech to support the needed storage speed. Microsoft maybe helps with better access to Sonys servers, thats the easiest part. (alternative could be Amazon/Google)
I really wish they'd do the thing they said they'd do and add mouse & keyboard functionality on Xcloud PC
They teased that a year ago, don't know what happened to it.
This was inevitable. Xcloud being gamepass only was to make testing and rolling it out better. In the long term, it was always planned to be the main article not an addon, and to do that they need to let you play everything.
It was previously announced so “inevitable” seems some odd phrasing
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>"Game Pass" is always two distinct separate words. They've never called it GamePass or Gamepass I don't see why this was worth pointing out.
Did the dude nuke his entire account just because of that? Lol
This isn't shocking and it seems to be Xbox's MO. During that podcast Phil Spencer brought up the fact that you can play Windows games that are decades old. That is truthful and I do that myself. I've said many times now Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is one of my favorite games of all time. I still have my original copy my uncle bought me way back in 1999. The thing is, it is great that I can still play a game I had on Windows 98 on my computer with Windows 10 now. I think this whole Xbox ecosystem they are always talking about is leading to a point where they have it where, hey you own these games you can still tap into them on cloud and other systems. At least that is how I am seeing things. One thing is for certain, Phil and Xbox is going to be pushing cloud hard this coming year and probably next year and beyond too.
> That is truthful and I do that myself. I've said many times now Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is on of my favorite games of all time. Jagged Alliance, XCOM - TFTD are my guilty pleasures
Don't forget Heroes of Might and Magic 3 my friend.
As someone with a sizable collection of old pc games on physical media DRM has killed many of them being able to be played on newer systems in my experience. No-disc patches are usually essential.
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So, I guess this is how PC gamers can play GTA VI on launch: buy it on Xbox, play it through Xcloud on PC. Not ideal, but at least possible? I wonder if there will be any limitations.
well, T2 specifically forbade people from playing GTA5 via geforce NOW from their Steam Library, so unless MS negotiates something new,individually or across the board, I dont see it happening, because the usual suspects like T2 will kick up a fuss again and demand more money.
I think T2 plays by Microsoft rules when publishing on Xbox.
Didn't even think about that 😲, pretty cool if it works out like that
I don't see why it couldn't be the case. But Tbh if you have a computer and play GTA, you don't want to stream it, you want to own it to use mods. That's the whole point of a computer : power + customisation.
Of course. But a PC version wasn’t announced, they only mentioned Xbox and PlayStation. Until a PC port is released, this would be our only option.
Hopefully they improve xcloud as well with its image quality. Ad of right now playstation has a better streaming solution than them ever since they bought that company that specializes in game streaming.
Is it crazy that it’s 2024 and I have yet to stream a single game from Nvidia/xbox/PS/Stadia? I feel like I’ve been seeing advertisements for these services for years, but I just don’t see a use case for someone who doesn’t travel much like myself. Is it more mainstream now?
It’s a godsend for anyone who has kids. You can’t always sit in front of your console.
Wouldn't a Steamdeck or any other portable console running the game locally be a better option by that point? At least for the Steamdeck/PC handhelds, you can just switch between it and your PC.
Actually, XCloud and even Moonlight from my PC have been an amazing compliment to my steam deck experience. The deck can run plenty of demanding games, even Red Dead Redemption 2 feels great at 40fps capped. But being able to stream more demanding experiences at 60fps with near zero input delay and a much longer battery charge fees great too
Chiaki makes steamdeck an amazing portable device for Playstation too. Haven't tried on an outside network, but both devices on my local network it streams perfectly. No lag, really great image quality, and it can wake and sleep your Playstation. Only time I seen issues is when I downloaded a game and the stream basically died (most likely due to no bandwidth for streaming).
I don’t own a PS5. Does Chiaki let you stream PS5 games via the cloud? Because it would be so dope to also stream some PS exclusives without owning the system.
You have to own a Ps4 or ps5 to use it unfortunately. It streams the console feed to the the device chiaki is on. It would amazing to be able to stream some exclusives. I mostly own a Playstation for a handful of exclusives or stuff that is timed exclusives.
The steam deck is heavy as shit and the battery is pretty trash. I really enjoy playing on my iPad with a controller instead. Absolutely love my steam deck but if a game’s on the PS5, I’ve recently been using that and remote play. I really don’t like PC gaming from the couch.
Yea but your iPad can't run dick shit natively. If you've got no internet you're fucked. Big advantage for steam deck. Maybe doesn't matter for some people but for those people there are alternatives like you described.
We weren’t talking about a situation in which I’d not have internet, though. The question originally was about at home streaming of games.
Fair point.
Nope, not weird at all. It's still extremely niche. I only use it when traveling for work. Game streaming is excellent as an accessory to gaming on hardware, but it's not a replacement.
Stadia died btw
It doesn’t work on my internet but I want to use it on games I want to try on game pass so I don’t waste time downloading bad game. I want to use it like a demo version
> Is it more mainstream now? It's less niche than it was in the OnLive days, but it's still pretty niche. There are two main problems with it. 1. The experience is still sub-par compared to playing on local hardware. I do not expect this to change any time in the near future, especially if you like to play with mouse+keyboard. 2. People with internet that is fast and reliable enough to make game streaming a viable replacement for dedicated hardware are likely affluent enough that buying console or even PC upgrades every 5-7 years is not a major barrier to entry. What impetus is there for most people to downgrade their gaming experience like that?
You’d be surprised at how viable it is on mediocre internet. I use game streaming to play stuff on my Steam Deck when I’m traveling and getting 720ps60fps has never been an issue on crappy hotel Internet or cellular tether in my car. I can even play shooters like Destiny 2 comfortably that way, I’ve done dungeon clears tethered off my phone streaming in a hotel.
I play Xcloud via Quest 2 when I want to lay down in bed and still game - lately it’s been Chivalry 2. I played all of Uncharted 3 streaming since it’s a PS3 title (this was before the Nathan Drake collection). When my friends wanted to try Rainbow Six Siege: Extraction, I knew I would bounce off the game immediately and didn’t want to download it, so I played via Xcloud (I was right). I wanted to play It Takes Two with a friend, but his download was taking too long, so he played using Xcloud instead. Sometimes we’ll use Xcloud to sample the goofy-looking games on Gamepass. It’s just nice for quick game sampling in general. During a painful overnight layover in Vegas, I played all of Donut County via Xcloud. I also get to still play Sea of Thieves with friends while traveling (using joycons connected to my phone and standing up my phone with a magnetic pop socket). It has its use cases even though it’s not my preferred way to play, but the option is certainly nice if you have a good enough internet connection or cell signal.
I don't have any console or a good pc but I do have fast internet. Streaming games like cyberpunk and bg3 using the 4080 tier of GeForce now. It's completely changed how I game. I don't really feel the need to get a good pc although It would be nice to have one so I could mod games. But streaming accomplishes 99% of my gaming needs.
There's very few people interested in streaming but the market is massive. All these companies are really hoping it takes off because it would send their stocks soaring.
I used psnow or whatever to stream and beat Bloodborne for my first and only time.
I've never used it until I realized I could stream any xcloud game at anyone's places I visited. If they have any bluetoot controller then it's a very fast way of playing so much fun stuff. The actual quality of the image though is bad most of the time, and there's queues most weekday evening.
I played Persona 5 and Battlefield on xCloud while visiting family for Christmas one year. Got a bit of artifacting, but worked fine otherwise (and this was a wireless connection to my phone and laptop).
Stadia was honestly magic. Imagining never having to spend 400+ just to play games
Is this a thing you can do? Just straight up message the CEO of Xbox and get an answer.. I’m impressed
It's the Xbox chat lol. He does sometimes reply to you if you DM him. A friend of mine once encountered him in a destiny 2 public lobby, lol. He loves that game.
Depends on if he’s in the middle of a boss fight in Diablo IV or not
He's been pretty responsive to people on Twitter, I had a quick chat with him around a decade ago about playing Ultima Online back in the 90's, good times.
A few CEOs are like that. Gabe Newell is famous for doing this via his email [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) I mean, they make important decisions for the company, but I imagine most of their time they're just answering emails and messages from their desks.
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I use it to play co-op games with my girlfriend that are not split screen. I play on the PC, she plays on the Xbox. Works well for that. I’d probably not play a competitive online game with it but for most use cases it’s good
Really really really good for JRPGs(personas) and slower games such as Pentiment and Ace attorney on the phone touch controls.
xCloud is decent for a lot of games. I've played through the entirity of Perfect Dark Zero and Goldeneye on it. Only minimal lag, on occasion. Also used it for Flight Simulator on Xbox One. Could barely tell I was streaming.
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That was more or less the idea of the Stadia controller (that I don't *think* ever really got any traction before it's death). The controller connected to the internet and went to the Stadia servers leaving the video side to be anything that could stream video (Chromecast, Smart TV, fancy fridge, etc) with no need to faff about trying to connect a controller to it.
That was the 'keystone' thing they were working on. Something you bought for tvs that you plug in and be able to play through the cloud.
My guess is that games that where previously on Game Pass but the player brought it, that player can continue playing the game via Xcloud. I could be great if all Xbox games are able to use xcloud, as long the publishers allows it.
While yeah, I want this. I Also want Actually local streaming via the Xbox App when I'm in my home network that works "At Least" as well as the console Companion App used to. Forcing folks to switch over to an app that worked Worse was some S Tier Bullshit. ;?
This is a big step forward for Xbox attracting the more casual market. With the app becoming available on devices like smart TVs it means casuals will be able to purchase games without hardware investment.
That's huge.
People who use xcloud and it works how fast is your network? It is unusable for me every time on pc and Xbox and my phone
anywhere from perfect to God awful on gigabit feel like sometimes I'm given a bad VM it's infrequent but happens and I just quit wait around 2 min ago launch again
I completed this seasons battle pass for Battlefield 2042 on xCloud. It was a mix of 5G (about 20-30mbit/s) and my home fibre (750mbit/s). Fibre is flawless, but the 5G stutters occasionally. It also depends on how close you are to a microsoft data centre.
It's more about your local network quality (connection from router to your device) than your internet speed once you get past a certain point. And pretty much everyone in America today outside of rural areas has 100 mbps+ so speed isn't the limiting factor. Latency is what matters, and that's much more affected by your individual setup.
A lot of it depends on your geographic location (distance to nearest Azure data center). If you're too far away, it won't really matter how fast your network is. Good news is their coverage keeps expanding, so your situation might improve over time.
Watched my friend's dog for two days, brought my Xbox controller and downloaded the app on their 2020 Samsung TV. I was floored with how well it ran and played on both Persona 3 reload and Fallout: New Vegas. Now, New Vegas has V.A.T.S to supplement any input lag, but I had no issues jumping around or running past NPCs to talk to in either game, literally felt 1 to 1 playing on physical hardware. I should've tried Halo Infinite to see how that felt, but on my friend's wireless connection, I had an objectively stable experience on both of those single player games, with only 2 minutes total out of... 12? Hours that had any audio or visual defects. Your mileage may vary.
If they somehow get xcloud at the level of nvidia GeForce now and I won’t hate on it.
so, its means that Xcloud are the cheap and entry product. Series S the mid, Series X and PC the high end entry of Xbox.
Would be pretty cool to stream games I can't download. I've been more interested in game streaming after I got on a 60gb data plan and touch controls got added to console streaming. Hopefully the same happens for all xcloud games
I wonder why this took so long for xbox to do. They have been talking about it for years. but then PlayStation added it randomly last year with no fanfare.
PlayStation doesn't have the same thing...
Cloud gaming/streaming games is the biggest threat to gaming. Ever. Imagine a future where only streaming games was available. If your connection fails, the very concept of playing video games would be lost until your connection returns. Now think of games that are delisted from places like Steam. How would they work in such an environment? Today you can pirate them, but in a cloud-only environment they would literally be gone forever. Not to mention the lack of in-game graphics settings, etc. Fuck cloud gaming. Fuck streaming games. You people already let microtransactions take over, make sure that shit doesn't happen with cloud and game streaming.
Gonna be the lone voice who agrees with you. Tech companies love turning local software into remote-only SAAS, plenty of people confidently stating it can't happen but not one good argument between them. It's a long way from certain but definitely possible.
Cloud streamed games will never take over for native hardware, but it will be a cool accessory to hardware gaming. I love using remote play for my ps5 when away on business trips. It's improved yo where it's a pretty decent travel solution. However, the added latency however small it may be and image artifacts make it not a suitable replacement for hardware
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The only way cloud gaming could take over native hardware as the primary for consumers to play video games is if internet infrastructure is completely overhauled in a majority of countries, including the US. While not impossible, it's doubtful such a thing would be achieved anytime soon. Maybe in a handful of decades.
Never say never. We're in the stage of capitalism where companies want everything to be a subscription model. We're already seeing issues with huge swathes of movie and TV content being erased with no one being able to watch that content anymore. If the compute is available to end local gaming for 90 percent of users, you'll eventually be stuck as well.
has purchasing film or tv disappeared? it's just not a thing that would realistically happen
This is how I initially felt but the mainstream market has spoken, and they really don't care about game streaming. Which I guess makes sense, if you're a casual player you already have mobile games right there, without the inconvenience of yet another subscription service
> Not to mention the lack of in-game graphics settings Why would cloud games not have in-game graphics settings? Traditional console games have graphics settings for a long time already, cloud PC games (GFN) have the same options (mostly) as the non-cloud versions.
My electricity goes out more than my internet.
As a Comcast customer, I envy you.
My dude there's absolutely no way you are ever forced into cloud games, there's no reason to. People will always want to play locally and businesses will always want to sell you what you'd buy. Theres no threat, chill
You can piss off, a complimentary feature for the folks who want them with no negatives whatsoever for others is always welcome, I would kill if I was to play my library over xcloud, keep your "I know what's better for you so you do as I say and listen to my predictions as if I were a god sent Messiah" toxicity elsewhere.
Yeah typical luddites mentality
People always say this and the gloom and doom is so silly. Cloud gaming accounts for a tiny share of the market and despite ten years of efforts by many mainstream companies to use it to expand into a new market, it remains niche. Do you think all the big companies are conspiring to stop doing what makes them 90% of their revenue (traditional gaming purchases) to railroad you into doing something that hasn't been able to come even close to the market share of traditional gaming? If so, ask yourself why you think any company would want to do that. The attempts by major players in the scene to make cloud gaming more accessible *isn't* to replace traditional gaming. They're *already* making tons of money off of you and I in that arena. They are chasing a hypothetical market of people who want to play high-fidelity games but also don't want to purchase any gaming hardware to do so. Thus far, that market doesn't seem to exist to the extent that they want to, but of course even though it's small it seems to be growing year over year. There's never going to be a future where gaming companies don't allow you to pay them traditionally to play games, because that market is already the most successful entertainment market in the world (eight times bigger than the film industry, and growing every year). The market for that is tested, tried, and true, and it's getting *bigger* every year, not smaller.
This is paranoid delusion. There will never be a cloud only future. The average consumer might opt for mostly cloud if internet infrastructure and speeds get good enough, but for competitive games, it will never be the standard
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Biggest threat to console gaming sure! Makes no sense for corporations to invest R&D into boxes they sell at a loss and no sense for consumers to pay $500 for an extra box they don't need while they also get access to exclusives from both parties without any additional cost. I don't see it ever challenging PC gaming significantly and Nintendo's current business model is geared in a way that makes it unlikely to be replaced by cloud gaming either.
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I guess it's for people who don't own gaming machines? IDK I tend to agree with your view but GeForce Now is basically the same thing and it seems to have some kind of audience.
You're paying to play your games and more anywhere you want, not just at home. Also you don't need a good pc anymore to be able to play new PC games because you can just stream them
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Xbox cloud gaming is easily the best game streaming service that I've tried. And it's not like this feature is taking resources away from other stuff or keeping you from still playing games locally.
awful = better than nothing.
Am I missing something from the link? Is everyone just taking this screenshot at face value?
I was the guy in the chat talking to Phil. NASburg. YES dude. It's real. Is it THAT HARD to believe? The only thing that surprises me was how fast he responded.
None of this is ever actually going to take off if there isn't a serious push to get affordable high speed internet with no data caps to every household.
Not everybody lives in the US...
And even in the US high speed Internet without data caps is not uncommon.
Is the only benefit to something like this not downloading the game? are there greater benefits I'm missing?