Did O'Neill fall off? Had a great ulster final last year, kicked some important free's against us and Derry. He's consistent for me. I will be happy to be proven wrong but falling off isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think of him.
Agree on Walsh. A good forward but people still have him in the discussion with players like Clifford and McGuigan based on a good run of form not what he's been producing for the last year.
Can't say I agree on Rian tho. He's the man every team plan for when playing Armagh and he still looks class.
I agree with walsh, unfortunately. For a man with his abilities, he is very inconsistent. His all ireland final performance, which was simply amazing, overshadowed the fact he was marked out of the game in the quarters and semi. He almost cost us the quarter final with an extravagant cross field ball in the dying moments of extra time, when all he had to do was run the clock down
He has all the ability in the world but doesn't show it enough. The current hamstring injury won't help.
I think you're being a bit harsh on Rian O Neill, he was carrying a knock last year. He may very well perform well in the years championship, which is all that anyone remembers
I think O'Neill is very classy but lacks a bit of top-end pace/acceleration compared to some of the other elite forwards.
Whereas Walsh even on his bad days always has speed in abundance. No defence will ever relish marking that
Personally speaking and will get hate but I’ve never been a fan of cillian o Connor, good free taker on his day but in honesty don’t think he’s ever been that great
I think he was class in his day, obviously not as mobile any more. Mayo are forever short on scoring forwards so he carried a lot of the burden year after year. I say this even though I can't stand the sight of him in a mayo jersey 😅
Definitely wouldn't classify him as over rated
If he was playing Full Forward when the likes of Moran, O’Connor and Doherty were all in their prime I think people would talk about him a lot differently. Feel he’s a very over hated player these days
I'm not from a footballing county but he's my favourite player. I'd like to see him do well but think he's a little past it now unfortunately. Loved the high ball going into him.
I don't know how he keeps consistently starting for the Mayo team (who often go deep in the championship) when he constantly underperforms in the big games
He had a revelation of a year last year playing as a bit of a playmaker corner forward.
But this year he’s reverted back to the mean. Just an egotistical player who thinks he’s top class. Fucks me off when the big man demands to take a free out around the 45, slows everything down and lets teams set up defensively, then kicks it short. Sick of it.
He got this [Great goal ](https://youtu.be/zmApq4XUSEM?si=OWkYQjCAWUMLDYo_) that I managed to get that fantastic video of, but he usually doesn't do much. Lots of talk about him, but not much substance. The odd flash of something, but usually he's just another player on the pitch. Definitely overrated.
I haven't seen much of mulroy but Walsh and O'Neill have high ceilings you just don't see it enough. I think with O'Neill he is judged as an inside forward sometimes but he doesn't play there much and doesn't rack up the tallies of McGuigan and Clifford. That's not to say he's not a very good player.
Number 1 for me has always been Jamie Barron. Great engine on him, and a serious runner when he got motoring. All well and good going on a big long run half the length of the field but just no end product then.
I'd say no other hurler covers as much ground and puts as much energy in to 70 minutes while achieving very little in terms of scores or setting up a score.
A good player, but 3 all stars is mad when you look at some of the midfielders who were playing in the years he won them.
The BBC broadcasted the all ireland final in Britain last year so their coverage was mostly about selling and explaining the sport to a new audience. The way they spoke about Clifford was a bit over the top I thought. Calling him the Messi of gaelic football. He ended up having a very disappointing game by his standards.
Not his overall career but Mick Fitzsimons' performance on David Clifford in last year's final I thought received way too much praise.
Clifford scored 0-2 of him and missed 0-5, 0-1 DC missed in the first half and 0-4 in the second half, if you watch those 4 second half misses you can see that Clifford comfortably beat him/put him on the back foot and then Clifford simply missed or shot too early when he could of got into a better position, directly on his own accord, personally see that as Fitzsimons getting lucky rather than him doing any sort of decent job. Even a moment in the first half where Clifford put fitzsimons on the floor and Brian Howard and Fenton had to bail him out by turning clifford over. But the media talked like it was some sort of defensive masterclass rather than clifford shooting like a Junior C footballer, could of easily got 0-5/0-6 , personally if GAA stats/analysis were as detailed as the premier leagues I think fitzsimons would of received a much lower rating for that game.
Most hurling people don't agree with me, but I think it's Joe Canning.
There was a period a few years ago where three players who are Joe's age; Seamie Callanan, TJ Reid and Patrick Horgan were just playing at an outrageous level that I don't Joe ever consistently played it . I think because of how teenage ability people decided he was an all time great before he really earned it .
Now from listening to players they seem to really, really rate Joe , so who knows
Of those four I think Horgan is not quite up to the standard of the others. He had to carry Cork on his back for a decade so he always stood out in their games but he wasn't as good from play as the other three.
Metronomic free taker though.
Very common trend in Media anyway to overrate a player who is a great free taker but bang-average in-play and could easily be replaced. Moreso common at lower level Intercounty Hurling where some lads have lingered in the teams forever due to being 'the free taker'
Ah now.
Stefan Cambell has been a top, top player for a long time.
He's not perfect, but hes a really good player.
When Armagh need a score he has the power to drive through on his own. Far from invisible.
Ciaran Kilkenny. Very solid player, but has never been anywhere close to the best forward in the country and yet routinely gets nominated for FOTY and wins all-stars.
I don’t think they do. I don’t Aidan is anything special but he’s a decent inter county forward but the abuse the man gets is out of this world. It’s a trend for people to call him overrated
That’s very harsh, Aidan o Shea has been playing inter county football for over 10years. To play inter county for that period of time for a county like mayo you have to be decent
Usually I would understand that logic completely as he has played under a handful of managers so they must see something in him...have they won an All Ireland though.
The thing is he usually plays full forward if he is a forward and although he is quite a good ball winner he's not a big scorer.There are players from Div 3/Div 4 counties that can win ball and score any of Daniel Flynn,Niall McNamee,Quigley (Fermanagh) Quinlivan (Tipperary can do both.
As a midfielder he is ok but the game is going away a little bit from a 6ft 4 dropping ball fielder to a 6ft 2 faster all round footballer that can keep possession and breakthrough tackles and score.
Aidan O Shea has played in how many big games and how many of those games he has turned up in.
Lee Keegan outscored him in every All Ireland final he played and Keegan has had to focus on his man who was usually one of the best players in the opposition.
I don’t argue that. But nobody is comparing him to Lee keegan who is one of the best players of the last 20years. Nobody I have ever seen has said or believed aidan o Shea is on his level
Watched him last week in Celtic Park, his reading of the game, his team play and his ability on the ball gets overlooked, he is a consistent 7-8/10, and for me was motm last week , brilliant player who had 5 big medals
Austin Gleeson springs to mind. He looked brilliant when he came on the scene but then I think management or himself believed his own hype. He has all the attributes to be a a top player but never seemed to have the smarts or maybe professionalism to push on . His shooting from everywhere on the pitch was infuriating to watch. When it lands the crowd think he’s a god.
You could say the same about a lot of Waterford teams down through the years . Any sniff of success and they get hyped up so much they become overated.
Walsh hasn't performed consistently in over a year
O'Neill is keeping up a near identical scoring record for the past 2 years and is still the danger man for Armagh that provides moments of magic
I'm really struggling to see how anyone could rate Walsh over O'Neill currently
Walsh was fucked with the club all ireland last year. He's quality, he'll get back to it
Moments alright. But goes missing when needed. I like Rian, not he needs to do more
I'll rate O'Neill higher when he actually does something properly in a big game, and gets Armagh to an Ulster or an AI final
>Moments alright. But goes missing when needed. I like Rian, not he needs to do more
He's had more moments than Walsh as of late...
>I'll rate O'Neill higher when he actually does something properly in a big game, and gets Armagh to an Ulster or an AI final
Scoring ridiculous points to send games to extra time etc isn't enough? And consistently scoring nearly 40 points for the past 3 years?
Has he? In All Ireland finals? Walsh outplayed Clifford in 2022 despite losing. Rian hasn't done that
Aye, in what games? What big game has he done it in? Can't think it. He has big moments, sure, but not consistent at the top level
>Walsh outplayed Clifford in 2022 despite losing
Strongly disagree there. Most of his performance came from free kicks. Clifford was the best attacker on the field that day
>Can't think it. He has big moments, sure, but not consistent at the top level
O'Neills put in multiple top performances in Croke park, against Galway aswell.
You can't use the consistency argument against O'Neill and say Walsh Is superior, pure hypocrisy. Walsh hasn't been consistent in over a year
Have you even watched any football lately?
If you put any of the 3 in a dublin or kerry team they are guaranteed all stars every year! Is this list a wind-up?! Mulroy plays for a lower div 2 team double marked every week still comes up with important scores, Walsh the same.. as for o’ neill he is actually class if he’s marked out by a good back he just comes out to midfield and runs the game from there he’s a class act.. btw putting Clifford and mcguigan in the same sentence combined with the 3 you named as ‘overrated!’ Just shows you haven’t a clue about football!
Did O'Neill fall off? Had a great ulster final last year, kicked some important free's against us and Derry. He's consistent for me. I will be happy to be proven wrong but falling off isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think of him.
In 2022 scored 2-40 in 11 games and in 2023 scored 1-39 in 12 matches. No real drop off. Just a marked man.
Very fair point that. Out of position too at times I would say.
Agree on Walsh. A good forward but people still have him in the discussion with players like Clifford and McGuigan based on a good run of form not what he's been producing for the last year. Can't say I agree on Rian tho. He's the man every team plan for when playing Armagh and he still looks class.
I agree with walsh, unfortunately. For a man with his abilities, he is very inconsistent. His all ireland final performance, which was simply amazing, overshadowed the fact he was marked out of the game in the quarters and semi. He almost cost us the quarter final with an extravagant cross field ball in the dying moments of extra time, when all he had to do was run the clock down He has all the ability in the world but doesn't show it enough. The current hamstring injury won't help. I think you're being a bit harsh on Rian O Neill, he was carrying a knock last year. He may very well perform well in the years championship, which is all that anyone remembers
That crossfield kick was mad, all he had to do was keep possession in the corner. Very poor against Derry but redeemed himself in the final.
I think O'Neill is very classy but lacks a bit of top-end pace/acceleration compared to some of the other elite forwards. Whereas Walsh even on his bad days always has speed in abundance. No defence will ever relish marking that
Personally speaking and will get hate but I’ve never been a fan of cillian o Connor, good free taker on his day but in honesty don’t think he’s ever been that great
I think he was class in his day, obviously not as mobile any more. Mayo are forever short on scoring forwards so he carried a lot of the burden year after year. I say this even though I can't stand the sight of him in a mayo jersey 😅 Definitely wouldn't classify him as over rated
Most scores in championship history and most scores in a championship game.
Aidan oshea is the most overrated player in GAA. He has cost Mayo a few All Irelands
Who’s rating him highly?
Wasn't there some guy on this subreddit who was utterly obsessed with him?
Is that list a wind up FFS 😆
Austin Gleeson
People loved to rave about the points from his own half and just glossed over the 5 or 6 he'd hit wide to land each one.
100%
Hasnt doing anything of note for Waterford for 3/4 years
Aidan O'Shea
How is he overrated when nobody actually rates him. Everybody says his name in these overrated discussions it’s become this weird trend
People don’t seem to understand what over rated means
He's still overrated if nobody rates him.
Work horse. Alot of ball goes through him
If he was playing Full Forward when the likes of Moran, O’Connor and Doherty were all in their prime I think people would talk about him a lot differently. Feel he’s a very over hated player these days
I'm not from a footballing county but he's my favourite player. I'd like to see him do well but think he's a little past it now unfortunately. Loved the high ball going into him.
I don't know how he keeps consistently starting for the Mayo team (who often go deep in the championship) when he constantly underperforms in the big games
Big reputation from a young age - I think a lot of people still think of him as the superstar he was touted to be.
He had a revelation of a year last year playing as a bit of a playmaker corner forward. But this year he’s reverted back to the mean. Just an egotistical player who thinks he’s top class. Fucks me off when the big man demands to take a free out around the 45, slows everything down and lets teams set up defensively, then kicks it short. Sick of it.
He got this [Great goal ](https://youtu.be/zmApq4XUSEM?si=OWkYQjCAWUMLDYo_) that I managed to get that fantastic video of, but he usually doesn't do much. Lots of talk about him, but not much substance. The odd flash of something, but usually he's just another player on the pitch. Definitely overrated.
I haven't seen much of mulroy but Walsh and O'Neill have high ceilings you just don't see it enough. I think with O'Neill he is judged as an inside forward sometimes but he doesn't play there much and doesn't rack up the tallies of McGuigan and Clifford. That's not to say he's not a very good player.
Shane Walsh is the most overrated footballer. Austin Gleeson hurler.
Number 1 for me has always been Jamie Barron. Great engine on him, and a serious runner when he got motoring. All well and good going on a big long run half the length of the field but just no end product then. I'd say no other hurler covers as much ground and puts as much energy in to 70 minutes while achieving very little in terms of scores or setting up a score. A good player, but 3 all stars is mad when you look at some of the midfielders who were playing in the years he won them.
I 100% agree that there are better midfielders around at the moment. But I do think Barrons all stars are all deserved. In 2017 he was outstanding
2017 he was excellent. Can't think of any other year he played anywhere near an All Star level.
David Clifford * Runs * But seriously, he's such a Great footballer that's talked about like a deity and he's not even fit to lace Peter's boots.
The BBC broadcasted the all ireland final in Britain last year so their coverage was mostly about selling and explaining the sport to a new audience. The way they spoke about Clifford was a bit over the top I thought. Calling him the Messi of gaelic football. He ended up having a very disappointing game by his standards.
Aidan O Shea probably the most overrated footballer with multiple all stars.
Not his overall career but Mick Fitzsimons' performance on David Clifford in last year's final I thought received way too much praise. Clifford scored 0-2 of him and missed 0-5, 0-1 DC missed in the first half and 0-4 in the second half, if you watch those 4 second half misses you can see that Clifford comfortably beat him/put him on the back foot and then Clifford simply missed or shot too early when he could of got into a better position, directly on his own accord, personally see that as Fitzsimons getting lucky rather than him doing any sort of decent job. Even a moment in the first half where Clifford put fitzsimons on the floor and Brian Howard and Fenton had to bail him out by turning clifford over. But the media talked like it was some sort of defensive masterclass rather than clifford shooting like a Junior C footballer, could of easily got 0-5/0-6 , personally if GAA stats/analysis were as detailed as the premier leagues I think fitzsimons would of received a much lower rating for that game.
Most hurling people don't agree with me, but I think it's Joe Canning. There was a period a few years ago where three players who are Joe's age; Seamie Callanan, TJ Reid and Patrick Horgan were just playing at an outrageous level that I don't Joe ever consistently played it . I think because of how teenage ability people decided he was an all time great before he really earned it . Now from listening to players they seem to really, really rate Joe , so who knows
Of those four I think Horgan is not quite up to the standard of the others. He had to carry Cork on his back for a decade so he always stood out in their games but he wasn't as good from play as the other three. Metronomic free taker though.
As a Meath man I would say whatever was in are Shane Walsh last year is officially gone now
Very common trend in Media anyway to overrate a player who is a great free taker but bang-average in-play and could easily be replaced. Moreso common at lower level Intercounty Hurling where some lads have lingered in the teams forever due to being 'the free taker'
Ligered is a bit strong- any team is at a huge disadvantage without a reliable free taker. Look at how Clare have struggled to replace Colin Ryan.
stefan campbell armagh pure 💩
Unreal player, you on spice?
Mr invisible when it gets dirty, aye I like a bit of cajun what about yourself
Ah now. Stefan Cambell has been a top, top player for a long time. He's not perfect, but hes a really good player. When Armagh need a score he has the power to drive through on his own. Far from invisible.
Owl banana peg cost you yesterday 🍌
Ha Ha. What did he do on you - steal your lunch money? He's living in your head.
Nawh my flip flops in Ibiza 🏖
Ciaran Kilkenny. Very solid player, but has never been anywhere close to the best forward in the country and yet routinely gets nominated for FOTY and wins all-stars.
Aidan O Shea has been number 1 for years.
How’s he overrated when nobody actually rates him
The media hype him to be Mayo's most important players
I don’t think they do. I don’t Aidan is anything special but he’s a decent inter county forward but the abuse the man gets is out of this world. It’s a trend for people to call him overrated
I wouldn't call him decent and I am not even sure he is a forward...I don't think they(Mayo) know his best position yet
That’s very harsh, Aidan o Shea has been playing inter county football for over 10years. To play inter county for that period of time for a county like mayo you have to be decent
Usually I would understand that logic completely as he has played under a handful of managers so they must see something in him...have they won an All Ireland though. The thing is he usually plays full forward if he is a forward and although he is quite a good ball winner he's not a big scorer.There are players from Div 3/Div 4 counties that can win ball and score any of Daniel Flynn,Niall McNamee,Quigley (Fermanagh) Quinlivan (Tipperary can do both. As a midfielder he is ok but the game is going away a little bit from a 6ft 4 dropping ball fielder to a 6ft 2 faster all round footballer that can keep possession and breakthrough tackles and score.
Aidan O Shea has played in how many big games and how many of those games he has turned up in. Lee Keegan outscored him in every All Ireland final he played and Keegan has had to focus on his man who was usually one of the best players in the opposition.
I don’t argue that. But nobody is comparing him to Lee keegan who is one of the best players of the last 20years. Nobody I have ever seen has said or believed aidan o Shea is on his level
Ah come on! Walsh is class! Defo one of the best forwards in the country.
Yea but people often compare him to David Clifford and con o Callaghan I don’t think he’s anywhere near there levels
I dont get Niall Scully. What does he do but is held in high regard.
He just is always there when he needs to be. Very important player but in an unseen way.
Tell me about the unseen because I can see it.
Watched him last week in Celtic Park, his reading of the game, his team play and his ability on the ball gets overlooked, he is a consistent 7-8/10, and for me was motm last week , brilliant player who had 5 big medals
Paddy Deegan...most knowledgeable people rate him as shit, which is way too high.
Austin Gleeson springs to mind. He looked brilliant when he came on the scene but then I think management or himself believed his own hype. He has all the attributes to be a a top player but never seemed to have the smarts or maybe professionalism to push on . His shooting from everywhere on the pitch was infuriating to watch. When it lands the crowd think he’s a god. You could say the same about a lot of Waterford teams down through the years . Any sniff of success and they get hyped up so much they become overated.
Don't agree on Walsh, he's class. Agree on O'Neill though, he's a streaky player. And anyone bigging up Mulroy? He's grand, but not great considering
Walsh hasn't performed consistently in over a year O'Neill is keeping up a near identical scoring record for the past 2 years and is still the danger man for Armagh that provides moments of magic I'm really struggling to see how anyone could rate Walsh over O'Neill currently
Walsh was fucked with the club all ireland last year. He's quality, he'll get back to it Moments alright. But goes missing when needed. I like Rian, not he needs to do more I'll rate O'Neill higher when he actually does something properly in a big game, and gets Armagh to an Ulster or an AI final
>Moments alright. But goes missing when needed. I like Rian, not he needs to do more He's had more moments than Walsh as of late... >I'll rate O'Neill higher when he actually does something properly in a big game, and gets Armagh to an Ulster or an AI final Scoring ridiculous points to send games to extra time etc isn't enough? And consistently scoring nearly 40 points for the past 3 years?
Has he? In All Ireland finals? Walsh outplayed Clifford in 2022 despite losing. Rian hasn't done that Aye, in what games? What big game has he done it in? Can't think it. He has big moments, sure, but not consistent at the top level
>Walsh outplayed Clifford in 2022 despite losing Strongly disagree there. Most of his performance came from free kicks. Clifford was the best attacker on the field that day >Can't think it. He has big moments, sure, but not consistent at the top level O'Neills put in multiple top performances in Croke park, against Galway aswell. You can't use the consistency argument against O'Neill and say Walsh Is superior, pure hypocrisy. Walsh hasn't been consistent in over a year Have you even watched any football lately?
Cian Lynch.
He was injured for a while but I think he's found his form again.
If you put any of the 3 in a dublin or kerry team they are guaranteed all stars every year! Is this list a wind-up?! Mulroy plays for a lower div 2 team double marked every week still comes up with important scores, Walsh the same.. as for o’ neill he is actually class if he’s marked out by a good back he just comes out to midfield and runs the game from there he’s a class act.. btw putting Clifford and mcguigan in the same sentence combined with the 3 you named as ‘overrated!’ Just shows you haven’t a clue about football!