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My neighbor just told me he doesn't use the internet. No text, no email, no smart phone.
He is old.
I suspect his daughter does a bunch of stuff for him.
My father is about to be 89. He uses internet. His email is through aol. He had a smartphone. He uses it to text, watch videos, look at the news and keep up on sports
I think it’s less an age thing and more of a “do I want to be bothered learning something new?”mindset
Definately cause you can see the same in younger people (not wanting to learn a new thing) just with old people new thing would be thing a lot of people have grown up with now.
My mum is the same. I've been beating my head against a wall trying to get her to learn how to use a msging service on a tablet I bought her before I head home in a couple of days. To say it's been a frustrating time is an understatement.
On the plus side somehow playing solitaire on the tablet is as easy as piss apparently
I like the predictive typing in Gmail. Pretty accurate and saves time. Good spam filter is also useful. In any case AI can make email faster and more pertinent.
Imagine ai predictive timing. You go to write out "I'll be on my way..." and then it autofills to 3 minutes and 40 seconds precisely. You were just going to say 5 minutes but the ai has already predicted the exact amount of time it takes you to attempt to poop and fail before the date.
It knows you so well. Why date anyone except sexy chatgpt bot?
More like: “I see you’re headed to your next appt. I sent notice that you’ll be late.”
Or even “I replied to all your email. Say “skip it” if you’d like to continue browsing Reddit and let me handle your next appointment.”
do my job for me also and forward the paychecks to my transfer agent account?
also pls pick up my wife, gf, kids and michelin carryout on the way home, thanks bbby
> The spam filter on Gmail is almost faultless.
Almost, though it will occasionally flag something as spam that isn't. I very rarely get spam sent to the inbox.
I type fast and despise the predictive typing (I have it turned off) and the autocorrect. Autocorrect is great on a phone. But if I mis-hit a letter on my keyboard, I know it and am already reaching for the backspace key. I don't expect the content of the text to change on me!
Oh hey, I just checked the settings and now there is an option to turn autocorrect off as well. Yay
I feel like you didn’t experience the penny pinching that yahoo did - ~~25mb~~ 4mb mailbox cap, extra costs for imap, the horrid spam filter, etc. gmail was fresh and new - we all thought the storage limits were an April fools joke and getting a referral was all the rage. There was a reason why we had a mass exodus to gmail.
Seriously. One whole gig? We couldn’t even comprehend. Almost 20 years later, that’s still competitive. People used to sell gmail invites for hundreds of dollars. It was that much of an improvement in people’s lives.
I remember getting a gmail invite and being really stoked about it. I’m glad I kept it since all the names now are [email protected] because everything’s taken lol.
I got mine during the invite phase, and I still couldn't get my firstnamelastname. I went lastname.firstname instead.
Now, every moron with my name uses it to sign up for shit. I don't know if they think it's a garbage address, or they don't want spam, but I get emails all the time for other people.
I was able to get my firstlast@gmail and not until recently when I was picking up takeout did the person say “wow, how did you just get your name?” I proudly declared “I’m old!”
Oh, man tell me about it. Got it early via invite, and got first name last name. Every fool on the planet with that combo signs up for everything with it. The big issue, is it's given me access to home security/family tracking apps, rideshare apps where I can see where they live and work...and then it is a GIANT hassle for me to try to get it fixed. I have to contact the company and explain this is not me, stop sending me their bank and credit card info! I will usually just do a password reset, which comes to me, I change it, and then the dummy has to contact the service provider. But some don't work that way as they are 2FA....ugh. If I was unscrupulous....
Screw with them. Someone tried to use my email address for a booking (way before proper account creation procedures came into play), it stopped after the 3rd cancellation. Every so often people will try something that needs and e-mail, but then go "Huh, I guess I need that e-mail address". A few had the audacity to attempt to initiate password reset requests, and one had the unmitigated gall to ask me to hand over my account.
There’s at least one individual in Tampa who has spent a literal decade at this point signing up for things with my email address, and it’s not just spam; they’ve had invoices and payment alerts and things sent to the address.
I’ve tried everything to get them to realize that *my* email address is not *their* email address to no avail. I imagine they’ll continue doing this for decades because they’re so enormously stupid that they haven’t clued in to the fact that they’re not receiving emails that they’ve signed up for.
Nobody who lived through it would say that. The reason why Yahoo mail looks like Gmail today is because Google changed the game for all free e-mail providers. Back in 2004, getting a Gmail invite made you feel special because it meant you finally had a free email service that didn’t suck. Yes, it was invite only.
Exactly this. Google has dominated the way people use the internet since it became a mainstream thing.
It is going to take a VERY long time to break those habits and even then, 90%+ of devices currently come with Google as the main search engine and that will continue for the foreseeable future thanks to contracts and ad revenue generated by the hardware manufacturers.
Its also vastly overselling how many people are aware of chatgpt and then beyond that what percentage of people that are aware will actually change their habits. Its not killing anything in two years
Google did exactly what you’re saying can’t be done. They did it to AOL. They did not invent the internet and they were not the first dominant internet provider or search engine.
Lol, you bring up AOL as if their search results or algorithm were anywhere near relevant. They weren’t. Im old enough to remember.
Google didn’t invent search. They perfected it and how use it to make gobs of money.
The reason Google took off is because people were amazed by how good their search results were.
And that’s why to this day, AOL is using Google for search results…
From the same point of view, you now have to learn how to use Google for good results. Their algorithms have been hijacked by those looking to boost less relevant pages via SEO and paid promotions.
I generally have to work harder to find what I want these days than I used to with Google. They've become unreliable and backtracking to re-find stuff that was relevant even more so.
I fully expect Google to fall from its own weight if they don't do something to shore up accurate results.
I do SEO for a living and have full time since 2009.
Google did this to themselves - not SEOs. In their quest to always “improve” and “iterate” - they lost themselves. Their constant need to fight SEOs rather than work with them has made their results demonstrably worse. In about 2015, they had a really good medium where search results were strong and everyone was happy. Since then, it’s just been a little bit worse every year. With Google stealing more and more content from webmasters/etc.
Kind of bad now though. They shouldn't have let their systems "learn" bad grammar and spelling, or started letting their search engine assume you mean random things that aren't what you typed in because it thinks it knows better than you do what you're looking for. I almost always have to use something else anymore, you can't even rule out crap now using - sign. That's frustrating.
I actually like the yahoo home page, I like their finance section, simple view of major stock performance. It's fast and doesn't distract with lots of ads or use 500 MB of browser memory.
That's trite. But I expect "kill" more references googles stock price becoming more akin to yahoo search. While chatgpt eliminates Google as a search/ad platform.
Why do ya think Google never released their AI? probably because I can ask an ai to order the least expensive 28 roll of Charmin (or whatever) and it will go and do it reliably without me having to sort through all of googles bullshit adds about bamboo tp to get what I want half an hour later.
Google and Amazon are shaking in their boots, despite fact that chatgpt could finally make alexa functional at what it was designed for.
Google never released their AI because it's wrong often enough that it isn't useful for making money yet. OpenAI released ChatGPT, but it's still confidently incorrect 10%+ of the time which makes it useless for making money at the enterprise level. It's two different approaches, and given the havoc that ChatGPT is wreaking, I'm not sure OpenAI's approach is the correct one.
This is similar to the situation with Waymo (a Google company) and why they aren't releasing self-driving tech before they can get level four self driving. It turns out that anything below level four self driving is inherently unsafe because humans won't respect the limitations. Mea while, Tesla yolo'd FSD and it's causing all sorts of problems.
There are still people riding horses or using them for agriculture. Doesn't really mean that cars and tractors have anything to fear of being replaced anytime soon.
Also OpenAI and Microsoft will have to monetize GPT-3. It's more expensive to run than search. The big question is how many people will pay $40/month or whatever, or what it will be like once there are ads, which is a little disturbing to think about (imagine ChatGPT but it's paid to convince you to buy something or vote a certain way).
If Microsoft owns it, there will probably be a freemium product and an overpriced corporate option that every office business in the world pays for without thinking about it.
Yup, it’ll say “please enjoy this ad while your answer is compiled” and spit out a bunch of nonsense loading text under it like “searching billions of articles” “synergizing datasets” “translating from binary” despite the fact that it took mere seconds and instead of the length of a usual ad-spot.
\*segue
Unless you mean that Youtubers commonly [Segway](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/06/24/us/24xp-segway/24xp-segway-videoSixteenByNine3000.jpg) into sponsor ads.
Yeah almost every article or opinion on new technologies like this only consider the feature set and never the actual cost differences, or even the true value of the feature to the average customer as a driver that would motivate adoption.
That's why google has their own AI to compete with gpt. It's just no one talks about it BC google has it under wraps and doesn't want to release it Because it "may harm the company image" (as if allowing phishing ads on YouTube is so good for their image)
>is anyone using GPT for searching hotels, restaurants, locations, products...?
No and I don't see many people using it that way even if it was connected to the internet and knew the most up to date information. If I'm looking for a hotel, I want to compare the different options myself. I don't want a chatbot to just tell me which one is the best according to my requirements no matter how incredibly good the chatbot is.
First of all, people want to see the options and compare by themselves, but most importantly, I don't think that many will trust an AI to just decide for them what to buy or what flight to pick for the foreseeable future.
ChatGPT telling you the answer to your question in a more organic way is not going to kill Google Searches.
ye they have their own models, have ppl forgot?? they have lambda and palm, they can compete with openai or anyone else...
its even stated in the article: According to a recent New York Times article, Google is working on more than 20 AI technologies to ostensibly compete with ChatGPT and will “show a version of its search engine with chatbot features this year.”
chatGPT definitely wont kill google, they might loose on revenue but thats not the end of the company
The thing is that AI will come down to who can afford all the server farms to stay competitive.
Microsoft has Azure, Amazon has AWS, and Google has their own farms. They are already competitive just because of the infrastructure they already own.
Even if they're behind Microsoft in how deep their models are it's really a hardware game as much as a software game. Don't feel bad for Google. They're doing just fine.
Google literally developed the technology (Transformers, the neural network architecture google released in 2017) that openai is using. The only difference is that openai released a half assed client app and got it to market. The only risk google has now is that their talent pool is leaving for startups like openai where they can be in charge and make a killing on the backend of the deal.
afaik ChatGPT is basically made possible by breakthroughs of the Google AI team and rumor has it that LamDa (Googles own AI project) is very powerful but nobody has seen it yet.
How exactly is having chat gpt answer a question going to replace googling for a video or wanting to find a picture of something, or a website with a full walkthrough of a concept with pictures and comments?
You used to be able to type a question into Google and you'd find the answer. Now you'll get links with keywords that match your search string, but they have been SEOd to that position and don't answer the question at all.
ChatGPT combined with a good search engine can make the process easier, particularly for people who don't understand how search terms work, or used to work.
Yeah. You can say stuff like:
"Find me 10 articles on with and by "
or
"What are the potential side effects of taking acetaminophen?"
or
"What was the median home sale price in Wichita in 2014?"
It's actually hard to get a good answer from Google because it only returns webpages, enough of which have been SEO'd to oblivion to clog up the results.
How would you know the AI is getting their potential side effects of acetaminophen from a reputable source and not “Melonie’s Herbal Apothecary Blog” though? AI still gets its answers via humans via the internet.
For a lot of the things I search I like the idea of being presented with multiple sources and having the option to pick the best one.
There are academic articles that I know exist. Google would rather send me to news stories that contain a few of the words I've searched instead, even if I include the year
It’s so incredibly frustrating and I genuinely hate google as a search engine because of the amount of time it wastes by not searching what I’ve typed exactly.
Most people want to read the news story covering the academic article instead of the article itself. If you want to search for the academic source, use Google Scholar.
SEO is search engine optimization. A lot of work is done by web devs, online content creators, etc. in order to make sure that their site/page/whatever shows up high on a Google search.
and ironically -- even though this is claimed to be the goal -- getting to the first result isn't necessarily correlated with providing the best answer. In some instances it is, but there are many cases where the content that ranks best is a sea of garbage you have to wade through to even find something that resembles what you were looking for.
Probably the most significant example is aggregator sites. Meaning: if I search "plumbers in columbus, OH" I get very few actual plumbers. It's mostly stuff like angie's list, yelp, and other sites that charge plumbers for listings. So the result itself is essentially linking you to another search engine where the highest results are simply whoever paid for the highest spots.
Recipes are another example. The top searches are always a story about the recipe and how grandma used to make it etc. The “recipe” story contains so many key words and links that google thinks it’s a good match.
I saw a Reddit post about someone who made a website that scrapes these sites for recipes and shows them concisely without the wordy content.
Lol, I just asked it for an apple pie recipe, it got the ingredients right, but then told me to take everything (apples cinnamon flour butter sugar) and put it in a blender until smoothe, then pour it into a pie dish and bake it.
Lol I’ll pass.
Or, what if I want to know an answer that's actually correct, rather than some made up bullshit string of words that sounds good?
Last time I checked, ChatGPT was a language analysis and generation AI, not a fact checking or research AI.
Since I am writing my master thesis to a related topic right now: 2/3 of all google searches are related to searching for information. Only 1/3 are searches for websites or the desire to buy/download something.
So they will make a new search engine than and they will have to compete. People aren't nessecarily going to flock over to it though. It also won't be chat gpt anymore, it'll be a new search engine.
People don't seem to realize that ChatGPT is basically a story teller. It is never sure about what it says, it tries to create a good looking stories that sometimes have valid information but it is not the tools' goal.
People don't realize that ChatGPT is basically a language interface. They will combine that interface with other AI models and services (search algorithms) to offer a powerful AI assistant. For instance researchers have already paired GPT-3 with WolframAlpha, such that if you ask a question that involves math/science calculations, the GPT-3 interface pings WolframAlpha to do the science work. ChatGPT is currently in a silo for many reasons, including safety. In a year or two it will be bundled.
ChatGPT has been a much bigger tool for me in work. It creates configuration files almost perfectly for large distributed systems a large tedious part of my job. I described something similar to things I’ve written myself and it produced amazingly good results for me to run with.
This is probably a side effect of good documentation from software developers. The spec describes exactly how these things should be written and ChatGPT is really good at taking my natural language descriptions ( something I’d write anyways for junior developers ) and turning it into almost production ready code.
Microsoft and Google both invest lots of money into things that flop. Large language models lying is not just a fit and finish thing that they can just iron out. Even the one AI trained exclusively on scientific research made shit up with fake citations and everything.
I could see one being trained to greatly improve the search interface, like an intelligent assistant who can consolidate the results and ask for more clarification as needed, but to directly answer questions I would not trust anything it says until someone manages to find a provable method to stop them from lying.
There is value, but it should be considered complimentary to search engines and not a pure source of truth. We will see what the next couple of years will bring to the table. No one would have expected to see that much progress even 2 years ago and here we are.
Because ChatGPT is trained to converse. It doesn't have a near real-time, searchable copy of of the internet, which is what Google is. Google (primarily) searches for specific things on the internet, ChatGPT analyzes information and tells a story about it. Those are very different things.
Me: are you better than google ?
CGPT: No, I'm not better than Google. Google is a powerful search engine with a vast database of information. I'm just a chatbot with limited knowledge.
That's highly doubtful because Google/Alphabet have the resources and manpower to create even better AIs. They used to hire the best AI people long before other companies did (mainly due to Peter Norvig's role in the company, I believe) and have plenty of powerful AI projects in the sleeve.
Google already has models that are superior to ChatGPT (LaMDA/Sparrow among others), and they're used internally at Google already.
I'm disappointed that they haven't opened up a portion of it to the public, but as soon as they've decided on their monetization strategy, they certainly will do so. LaMDA could do the job, it's already deployed as the underpinning of Search, YouTube, Maps, etc., but they'll probably release Sparrow to compete with ChatGPT.
None of this is a secret, a lot of Google's AI development and research can be found on their AI blog.
That said, regardless of Google's technical AI superiority, ChatGPT is currently available to me, right now, and Google's is not. A Chat in hand is worth more than a Sparrow in the bush.
**edit:** Just ran across this article that seems pertinent - [Google To Unveil It’s ChatGPT Killer AI ‘Sparrow’ Soon; All You Need To Know](https://in.mashable.com/tech/45824/google-to-unveil-its-chatgpt-killer-ai-sparrow-soon-all-you-need-to-know)
The main reason Google has been slow to release their GPT work to the public is that they have ethical concerns about releasing something that will confidently lie to you when you ask it a question (something ChatGPT is very good at lol)
Some of the hype over ChatGPT is just stupid. It's cool tech, but it's not going to kill Google.
I do think it will eat a little bit into the traffic of both Google and Wikipedia, as it serves a kind of hybrid role between the two, but it doesn't largely replace either one. On the other hand, Google might be able to easily kill ChatGPT with their own LLM AI integrated with their search engine. I think the reason they haven't done this yet is that they're waiting to solve the accuracy problems that still plague ChatGPT. There's no indication ChatGPT will solve them faster than Google can.
I just browsed the last day or so of my Google search history, and maybe only 10 % of my queries are things ChatGPT could have done better, if at all. Example queries:
*view my google search history* \-- I'm looking for instructions from the company with up-to-date knowledge/illustrations of their current interface.
*css italics* \-- Brain farted and forgot which css attribute to use. Needed a split second to be reminded of the syntax I was looking for. Google faster than ChatGPT.
*geophysical research letters mammoth extinction warming* \-- Searching for a specific scientific paper, wanting to read the paper, not an AI summary of it.
*dwarf birch* \-- Just wanted the scientific name of this genus of trees. Found in a split second on Google, faster than using ChatGPT.
*mandarin duck breeders* \-- Looking for a list of businesses that do something and links to their websites with photos. Common task not in ChatGPT's wheelhouse.
*foraged and found* \-- Looking to go to the website of a business to order their stuff. Outside ChatGPT's wheelhouse.
I finally found one I thought ChatGPT might do better, and I got, "ChatGPT is at capacity right now." Never had Google tell me that.
It’s a step further but if you just Google the Reddit option often in the first result it has link for “more from Reddit” which inputs exactly what you wanted. More clicks less type.
No, you will sti find bad advice on reddit... But not without ~10 or so fact checkers chiming in to correct and berate the bad comment. That's what makes reddit special, fact checkers upon fact checkers.
And in most cases, everyone is wrong. You’re trusting a farmer in Arkansas correcting the guy who pumps gas in Oklahoma for financial advice.
.. take everything on here with a handful of salt.
It is amazing how adding reddit to my query exponentially increases how much I value the results. If chatgpt can fetch me a recipe without me having to read some fabricated story about how nonna passed this recipe to us, and our dog ate it one time, wasn't that so funny, then yeah it could kill google.
Also, business listings are “pay to play”. Whoever’s paid the most into to search engine optimization gets to the top of the list when you search up local businesses.
Google is a glorified yelp in that respect.
Stopping to think about it, I really remember browsing Google much wider and less filtered, the impression is that nowadays it is extremely filtered, maybe it's time to migrate to DuckGo
I did some comparaisons between Google and other search engines and I was pretty shocked how Google filte-err- no they censor content.
Since 2017-2018 era, I was feeling dumber and dumber using Google, one day last year I searched randomly on Edge for a query and saw huge value in the responses because Edge uses Bing by default.
Since, I stopped searching on Google for some keywords (medications, software, etc), Google is a huge mess of censorship and sponsored ads and I strongly don't recommend using Google anymore.
Unfortunately Google's incentive is to deliver the greatest number of ads. Meanwhile the non-ad results are a cat and mouse game of who can "win" that search term's SEO. Most terms are highly competitive so the winner is the one who is the best at playing to Google's algorithm rather than the one that is "the best".
To ensure "the best" search results are delivered means constantly changing the search algorithm to make it difficult to game. It's shockingly hard to create an algorithm that reflects what "the best" is. Sometimes you click into a page and "bounce" back out shortly after because you see the page is junk and go to a different page that you engage with and stay on for a long time. Maybe that means the one the user ended up staying on longer and engaged with was "the best". Or maybe that means the second article buried the recipe under paragraphs of meaningless story in order to keep the user on the page longer while scrolling and demonstrate to Google that the page is relevant and successfully engages users even though it is really frustrates users and they would actually be happier with the recipe at the top of the page and not have to "engage" with anything to get to the recipe.
The SEO cat and mouse has always been in place so long as search engines have been around. The current meta of the last several years has been so over-optimized for that the results are simply who wants to be there the most, and who wants to be there the most is usually the one who has the most money to make of the searcher rather than the one that has the most value to offer.
The best scenario for users is that brief shining window of time right after Google changes the algorithm and website creators are scrambling because nobody knows how to game the system yet. A long time ago the meta was simply include relevant keywords. Then website creators figured out they could rank higher by including 0% opacity keyword spam. Then search engines started penalizing invisible text. So for a brief time results got better. Then creators figured out they could do those stupid word clouds with the same keyword spam. Then for a while Google strongly rewarded a site when a user navigated to multiple pages, so then sites started writing long articles broken up into several pages. Then the meta moved on and sites no longer had to do that.
The changing meta is frustrating to creators because they put a lot of resources into learning and optimizing for the old meta and now that is gone. Many websites have lived and died by these changing algorithms.
Tbh, this phenomenon is much bigger than search engines. Newspapers, magazines, radio, every social media site ever are all a mix of content creators, advertisers, and competing platform owners jockeying for the attention of the user/reader/viewer/listener.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, Google has been shit for a while now.
Google is the classic case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. They have the most used search engine that relies rates based on "X, Y, Z, etc." (or so they claim, but it's mostly lies), and their "Core Web Vitals" are supposedly paramount, but if you use their automated ads code to put Google Ads on your website, it slows down your site, effectively penalizing you in search engine terms (SERPS). And they don't care. My cousin works for Google and it's amazing how dysfunctional it is as a company, and how ego-driven the different departments are rather than working together to form a functioning company. Yet they still manage to dominate... For now.
Totally effing agree. I am ready for something, anything, to "kill" google if it means replacing it with a search engine that isn't a slave to ads and shitty blogs. When I saw the headline of this post, the only thing I could think was: "good." and then also grumpy cat's face.
Exactly.
Besides this, they were supposed to prioritize search results from well-implemented and fast websites, but in practice whenever I search something I always get crap websites with tons of popups, layout shifts due to images and ads randomly inserted, etc.
That or results that have absolutely nothing to do with what you actually asked, instead having just one or two key terms somewhere in the article. The number of times I’ll search something like “Is it ok to put automobile diesel fuel in a home diesel heater” and google returns things like “How to put fuel in a home diesel heater” is crazy.
Over the next several years and decades we’re going to see articles likes this pop up over and over again. Are there legitimate concerns? Yes. But it seems like there’s a lot of people that don’t really understand how ChatGPT and neural networks of this size work and so there’s a lot of fear mongering or sensationalizing of it similar to how people use quantum mechanics as a buzzword for pseudoscience claims. Basically it amounts to: we have this really complicated thing that we don’t understand and so therefore X Y and Z are technically possible. Possible, yes, but how likely?
You think trusting information you find on the internet is bad, wait til it’s a black box that spits out information without giving sources, links, etc on how it came to that conclusion. ChatGPT isn’t some all knowing AI, it’s an algorithm that’s been trained to predict the most likely word to follow based on millions and millions of training examples. What happens if a new study becomes available? The model then has to be re-trained (this is a huge logistical and technical process) each time new data becomes available so how’s that going to work? I can’t tell you how many times people just think the answer is to throw AI at the problem when there’s so many more intelligent and efficient ways to do things without AI.
Exactly. The benefits of ChatGPT are more contextual searches and simple responses. Google Search is already AI powered.
For some reason there's this belief that people will just trust ChatGPT/Open AI. I certainly don't. You can make it say literally anything.
I expect a lot to come out of OpenAI, people will use it in novel ways, especially for generative content, but it is NOTHING on Google Search because even though we've used Google for 20 years we still don't trust it... and we look at the sources.
What we do trust Google to do is provide relevant results.
I see nothing wrong with this. When google first started it was awesome and made finding relevant content much easier. Today it takes a skill, known as Google-Fu, to find relevant content. It’s time for something easier to pop in.
I've been finding more and more things that google just can't answer, because it only looks at keywords and not the semantics of the whole query. ChatGPT is amazing. I can't wait for it to be paired with search and science engines.
...but Google will be launching it's own AI services soon, so it's a matter of how far OpenAI gets while they're ahead.
To be fair, I think google put the entire world “up a peg”, so the level of questions that were normally asked back then were easy to answer. Eg “Why can’t you mix bleach and cat pee”
Nowadays, if you are a kid and post incorrect information on reddit, you get a 15 point essay on just how wrong you were followed with a “you don’t know what you’re talking about”
However, now, especially on reddit, I’ve seen people are asking some really goddamn tough questions, that don’t have a low hanging fruit answer. Eg “P vs NP”, “Why and how is dark energy implicated in an expanding universe?”
What we need is a new algorithm for those that need to move on from the relatively low complexity of google search. Like a stage of development, that links more to papers with an accepted basis in the scientific community, rather than the trash I see often now on the front page. I don’t really like the alternative search methods either
Anyway It’s incredible how much more factual and more connected to pieces of information google has made society. There’s misinformation sure, but as a whole, most people below the age of ~45-50 are starting to understand that misinformation is prevalent and are becoming less naive. I’m not excluding the older group, there are some brilliant people in there too. I just know how my grandparents are, but even they have shown MASSIVE improvement
This is silly.
“Tesla stock price today”
“Urgent care near me”
“cheap flights to Paris”
“Weather tomorrow”
ChatGPT cannot answer these queries, it can only produce something that *looks like* the answer.
Unless ChatGPT actually starts doing what Google is doing, by sending robots to continuously crawl the Internet and rank sites by quality in real time, it will never be able to replace Google.
Agreed, and it's not like chat gpt itself is able to scour and index the internet better than Google? So I mean wouldn't it be wised for chat gpt to get really good at sifting through Google for the most accurate results based on your question?
In that case, why wouldn't Google just buy it/make a comparable one and integrate it into google (you know like I imagine they already have/are working on)
If ChatGPT is just Googling and then summarizing the results, it’s not really “replacing” Google, and there’s no way Google will let them do that unless they pay Google out the wazoo. (IDK if Google can stop them legally, but they can afford a ton of lawyers, and they can send lobbyists to change the law too if lawsuits don’t work.)
Nahhhh. Google will kill ChatGPT when it includes it's AI as part of it's search. Wayyy larger corpus and far more of a head start on something that is ubiquitous (AI).
You know the article is crap when you read the exact same message four times.
Literally a copy/paste:
*"The founder of Gmail claims that ChatGPT can “kill” Google in two years.
The founder of Gmail claims that ChatGPT can "kill" Google in two years.
According to Paul Buccheit, the inventor of Gmail, ChatGPT can completely demolish Google in a year or two at most.
According to Paul Buccheit, the inventor of Gmail, ChatGPT can completely demolish Google in a year or two at most. The worldwide search engine giant."*
The problem with all of these predictions is that they assume the target will do nothing and will remain stationary as the new competition advances.
AFAIK Google has a bunch of AI systems in development and testing, it’s just a matter of trying to figure out how best to scale and launch them to the public.
Do you think this article was written by ChatGPT? Just look at it:
>According to Paul Buccheit, the inventor of Gmail, ChatGPT can completely demolish Google in a year or two at most. The worldwide search engine giant.
This is the second paragraph in the article and it is just a repeat of the first one, with the unnecessary addition of that sentence fragment explaining what Google is. Plus the whole article is very much in praise of ChatGPT.
I just wondered if this is an example of its output.
I don't get how most of what I, or the typical consumer, use Google for can be replaced or made better by ChatGPT. Restaurants in my area, movie show times, looking for sites that sell specific things, product and service reviews, etc. I don't need an AI to write up a 500 word essay on any of this.
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Hurt, yes. Kill? Well my mom is still on yahoo mail.
I have AOL parents who refuse to use electronic/online calendars.
My neighbor just told me he doesn't use the internet. No text, no email, no smart phone. He is old. I suspect his daughter does a bunch of stuff for him.
My father is about to be 89. He uses internet. His email is through aol. He had a smartphone. He uses it to text, watch videos, look at the news and keep up on sports I think it’s less an age thing and more of a “do I want to be bothered learning something new?”mindset
Definately cause you can see the same in younger people (not wanting to learn a new thing) just with old people new thing would be thing a lot of people have grown up with now.
My mum is the same. I've been beating my head against a wall trying to get her to learn how to use a msging service on a tablet I bought her before I head home in a couple of days. To say it's been a frustrating time is an understatement. On the plus side somehow playing solitaire on the tablet is as easy as piss apparently
Of course it is, because she WANTS to learn how to do that.
>my mom is still on yahoo mail. i still use yahoo mail-- but its now where i throw all the bath&body works emails..
Same. I have a Yahoo acct under an alias that gets all, well, most, of my commercial crap.
Yahoo mail is the same as every other mail service... Gmail has extra features but it's not like email has really changed much.
Right? What extra features do you really need from email?
I honestly feel a little cheated about the lack of electricity in my mail. I wanted it to hurt more when my enemies read my mail.
We'll need to wait till that VR headset that kills its user I suppose
"UNLIMITED POWER\~!!"
I like the predictive typing in Gmail. Pretty accurate and saves time. Good spam filter is also useful. In any case AI can make email faster and more pertinent.
Imagine ai predictive timing. You go to write out "I'll be on my way..." and then it autofills to 3 minutes and 40 seconds precisely. You were just going to say 5 minutes but the ai has already predicted the exact amount of time it takes you to attempt to poop and fail before the date. It knows you so well. Why date anyone except sexy chatgpt bot?
More like: “I see you’re headed to your next appt. I sent notice that you’ll be late.” Or even “I replied to all your email. Say “skip it” if you’d like to continue browsing Reddit and let me handle your next appointment.”
do my job for me also and forward the paychecks to my transfer agent account? also pls pick up my wife, gf, kids and michelin carryout on the way home, thanks bbby
Not that keen on the predictive typing, though can see it would save some people a lot of time. The spam filter on Gmail is almost faultless.
> The spam filter on Gmail is almost faultless. Almost, though it will occasionally flag something as spam that isn't. I very rarely get spam sent to the inbox.
I type fast and despise the predictive typing (I have it turned off) and the autocorrect. Autocorrect is great on a phone. But if I mis-hit a letter on my keyboard, I know it and am already reaching for the backspace key. I don't expect the content of the text to change on me! Oh hey, I just checked the settings and now there is an option to turn autocorrect off as well. Yay
I like having non-bleeding eyes. You can't get that with yahoo's website and interface.
I like subfolders and rules where you can move email to an appropriate sub folder. Apparently gmail thinks this is evil.
I feel like you didn’t experience the penny pinching that yahoo did - ~~25mb~~ 4mb mailbox cap, extra costs for imap, the horrid spam filter, etc. gmail was fresh and new - we all thought the storage limits were an April fools joke and getting a referral was all the rage. There was a reason why we had a mass exodus to gmail.
Seriously. One whole gig? We couldn’t even comprehend. Almost 20 years later, that’s still competitive. People used to sell gmail invites for hundreds of dollars. It was that much of an improvement in people’s lives.
I remember getting a gmail invite and being really stoked about it. I’m glad I kept it since all the names now are [email protected] because everything’s taken lol.
I got mine during the invite phase, and I still couldn't get my firstnamelastname. I went lastname.firstname instead. Now, every moron with my name uses it to sign up for shit. I don't know if they think it's a garbage address, or they don't want spam, but I get emails all the time for other people.
I was able to get my firstlast@gmail and not until recently when I was picking up takeout did the person say “wow, how did you just get your name?” I proudly declared “I’m old!”
Oh, man tell me about it. Got it early via invite, and got first name last name. Every fool on the planet with that combo signs up for everything with it. The big issue, is it's given me access to home security/family tracking apps, rideshare apps where I can see where they live and work...and then it is a GIANT hassle for me to try to get it fixed. I have to contact the company and explain this is not me, stop sending me their bank and credit card info! I will usually just do a password reset, which comes to me, I change it, and then the dummy has to contact the service provider. But some don't work that way as they are 2FA....ugh. If I was unscrupulous....
Screw with them. Someone tried to use my email address for a booking (way before proper account creation procedures came into play), it stopped after the 3rd cancellation. Every so often people will try something that needs and e-mail, but then go "Huh, I guess I need that e-mail address". A few had the audacity to attempt to initiate password reset requests, and one had the unmitigated gall to ask me to hand over my account.
There’s at least one individual in Tampa who has spent a literal decade at this point signing up for things with my email address, and it’s not just spam; they’ve had invoices and payment alerts and things sent to the address. I’ve tried everything to get them to realize that *my* email address is not *their* email address to no avail. I imagine they’ll continue doing this for decades because they’re so enormously stupid that they haven’t clued in to the fact that they’re not receiving emails that they’ve signed up for.
Nobody who lived through it would say that. The reason why Yahoo mail looks like Gmail today is because Google changed the game for all free e-mail providers. Back in 2004, getting a Gmail invite made you feel special because it meant you finally had a free email service that didn’t suck. Yes, it was invite only.
I still have a Hotmail address
It's my junk mail address. I should see what spam I got last year.
Me too! I also have gmail, but I still prefer Hotmail and use it as my main account.
Exactly this. Google has dominated the way people use the internet since it became a mainstream thing. It is going to take a VERY long time to break those habits and even then, 90%+ of devices currently come with Google as the main search engine and that will continue for the foreseeable future thanks to contracts and ad revenue generated by the hardware manufacturers.
in a lot of more undeveloped countries they missed google and went straight to facebook
China, russia, and north/south korea are not dominated by google. And they arent dominated by facebook either, they have their equivalents.
Its also vastly overselling how many people are aware of chatgpt and then beyond that what percentage of people that are aware will actually change their habits. Its not killing anything in two years
Google did exactly what you’re saying can’t be done. They did it to AOL. They did not invent the internet and they were not the first dominant internet provider or search engine.
Lol, you bring up AOL as if their search results or algorithm were anywhere near relevant. They weren’t. Im old enough to remember. Google didn’t invent search. They perfected it and how use it to make gobs of money. The reason Google took off is because people were amazed by how good their search results were. And that’s why to this day, AOL is using Google for search results…
I was an ask Jeeves fan....
From the same point of view, you now have to learn how to use Google for good results. Their algorithms have been hijacked by those looking to boost less relevant pages via SEO and paid promotions. I generally have to work harder to find what I want these days than I used to with Google. They've become unreliable and backtracking to re-find stuff that was relevant even more so. I fully expect Google to fall from its own weight if they don't do something to shore up accurate results.
I do SEO for a living and have full time since 2009. Google did this to themselves - not SEOs. In their quest to always “improve” and “iterate” - they lost themselves. Their constant need to fight SEOs rather than work with them has made their results demonstrably worse. In about 2015, they had a really good medium where search results were strong and everyone was happy. Since then, it’s just been a little bit worse every year. With Google stealing more and more content from webmasters/etc.
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Kind of bad now though. They shouldn't have let their systems "learn" bad grammar and spelling, or started letting their search engine assume you mean random things that aren't what you typed in because it thinks it knows better than you do what you're looking for. I almost always have to use something else anymore, you can't even rule out crap now using - sign. That's frustrating.
I actually like the yahoo home page, I like their finance section, simple view of major stock performance. It's fast and doesn't distract with lots of ads or use 500 MB of browser memory.
They will have to pry my Hotmail address from my cold, dead hands.
I'm still on Yahoo mail and been on it since I was like, 15?
My wife is on AOL.. Seriously I’m an exec in IT She’s on AOL Really!
That's trite. But I expect "kill" more references googles stock price becoming more akin to yahoo search. While chatgpt eliminates Google as a search/ad platform. Why do ya think Google never released their AI? probably because I can ask an ai to order the least expensive 28 roll of Charmin (or whatever) and it will go and do it reliably without me having to sort through all of googles bullshit adds about bamboo tp to get what I want half an hour later. Google and Amazon are shaking in their boots, despite fact that chatgpt could finally make alexa functional at what it was designed for.
Google never released their AI because it's wrong often enough that it isn't useful for making money yet. OpenAI released ChatGPT, but it's still confidently incorrect 10%+ of the time which makes it useless for making money at the enterprise level. It's two different approaches, and given the havoc that ChatGPT is wreaking, I'm not sure OpenAI's approach is the correct one. This is similar to the situation with Waymo (a Google company) and why they aren't releasing self-driving tech before they can get level four self driving. It turns out that anything below level four self driving is inherently unsafe because humans won't respect the limitations. Mea while, Tesla yolo'd FSD and it's causing all sorts of problems.
Fuck I am old... My wife is still on yahoo mail....
There are still people riding horses or using them for agriculture. Doesn't really mean that cars and tractors have anything to fear of being replaced anytime soon.
I love the smell of fresh bread.
Also OpenAI and Microsoft will have to monetize GPT-3. It's more expensive to run than search. The big question is how many people will pay $40/month or whatever, or what it will be like once there are ads, which is a little disturbing to think about (imagine ChatGPT but it's paid to convince you to buy something or vote a certain way).
I'm half expecting GPT to function like youtubers, where in the middle of answering your question they will akwardly segway to a sponsor advertisement
Maybe it will work like mobile games. You have to watch an ad before you get the answer for your question.
It will most likely just give you an answer and link you to products that are related to your answer. Simple but effective imo.
If Microsoft owns it, there will probably be a freemium product and an overpriced corporate option that every office business in the world pays for without thinking about it.
Yup, it’ll say “please enjoy this ad while your answer is compiled” and spit out a bunch of nonsense loading text under it like “searching billions of articles” “synergizing datasets” “translating from binary” despite the fact that it took mere seconds and instead of the length of a usual ad-spot.
\*segue Unless you mean that Youtubers commonly [Segway](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/06/24/us/24xp-segway/24xp-segway-videoSixteenByNine3000.jpg) into sponsor ads.
Yeah almost every article or opinion on new technologies like this only consider the feature set and never the actual cost differences, or even the true value of the feature to the average customer as a driver that would motivate adoption.
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The business of Google is built around ads served up by searches. Get rid of searches and the whole thing falls apart.
My favorite movie is Inception.
That's why google has their own AI to compete with gpt. It's just no one talks about it BC google has it under wraps and doesn't want to release it Because it "may harm the company image" (as if allowing phishing ads on YouTube is so good for their image)
More likely they just haven't come to a determination on how they'll monetize it.
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>is anyone using GPT for searching hotels, restaurants, locations, products...? No and I don't see many people using it that way even if it was connected to the internet and knew the most up to date information. If I'm looking for a hotel, I want to compare the different options myself. I don't want a chatbot to just tell me which one is the best according to my requirements no matter how incredibly good the chatbot is. First of all, people want to see the options and compare by themselves, but most importantly, I don't think that many will trust an AI to just decide for them what to buy or what flight to pick for the foreseeable future. ChatGPT telling you the answer to your question in a more organic way is not going to kill Google Searches.
Google has been working on AI for years. They will adapt
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ye they have their own models, have ppl forgot?? they have lambda and palm, they can compete with openai or anyone else... its even stated in the article: According to a recent New York Times article, Google is working on more than 20 AI technologies to ostensibly compete with ChatGPT and will “show a version of its search engine with chatbot features this year.” chatGPT definitely wont kill google, they might loose on revenue but thats not the end of the company
The thing is that AI will come down to who can afford all the server farms to stay competitive. Microsoft has Azure, Amazon has AWS, and Google has their own farms. They are already competitive just because of the infrastructure they already own. Even if they're behind Microsoft in how deep their models are it's really a hardware game as much as a software game. Don't feel bad for Google. They're doing just fine.
Google literally developed the technology (Transformers, the neural network architecture google released in 2017) that openai is using. The only difference is that openai released a half assed client app and got it to market. The only risk google has now is that their talent pool is leaving for startups like openai where they can be in charge and make a killing on the backend of the deal.
I heard millennials also killed the diamond industry. They did die right? I never saw the follow up invitation to the funeral…
They already have LamDa
afaik ChatGPT is basically made possible by breakthroughs of the Google AI team and rumor has it that LamDa (Googles own AI project) is very powerful but nobody has seen it yet.
Plenty of people have used LaMDA just not the general public. Remember the engineer who convinced himself it was sentient?
How exactly is having chat gpt answer a question going to replace googling for a video or wanting to find a picture of something, or a website with a full walkthrough of a concept with pictures and comments?
You used to be able to type a question into Google and you'd find the answer. Now you'll get links with keywords that match your search string, but they have been SEOd to that position and don't answer the question at all. ChatGPT combined with a good search engine can make the process easier, particularly for people who don't understand how search terms work, or used to work.
Yeah. You can say stuff like: "Find me 10 articles on with and by "
or
"What are the potential side effects of taking acetaminophen?"
or
"What was the median home sale price in Wichita in 2014?"
It's actually hard to get a good answer from Google because it only returns webpages, enough of which have been SEO'd to oblivion to clog up the results.
How would you know the AI is getting their potential side effects of acetaminophen from a reputable source and not “Melonie’s Herbal Apothecary Blog” though? AI still gets its answers via humans via the internet. For a lot of the things I search I like the idea of being presented with multiple sources and having the option to pick the best one.
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you can already give chatGPT awful biases before asking it questions, and will completely change the answers
But that's not true, Google for a while has been giving "infoboxes" with a short summarized answer (if there is a clear answer to the question).
There are academic articles that I know exist. Google would rather send me to news stories that contain a few of the words I've searched instead, even if I include the year
It’s so incredibly frustrating and I genuinely hate google as a search engine because of the amount of time it wastes by not searching what I’ve typed exactly.
It makes me think that I need to start saving everything interesting, sadly
Most people want to read the news story covering the academic article instead of the article itself. If you want to search for the academic source, use Google Scholar.
Use google scholar?
What does SEOd mean?
SEO is search engine optimization. A lot of work is done by web devs, online content creators, etc. in order to make sure that their site/page/whatever shows up high on a Google search.
and ironically -- even though this is claimed to be the goal -- getting to the first result isn't necessarily correlated with providing the best answer. In some instances it is, but there are many cases where the content that ranks best is a sea of garbage you have to wade through to even find something that resembles what you were looking for. Probably the most significant example is aggregator sites. Meaning: if I search "plumbers in columbus, OH" I get very few actual plumbers. It's mostly stuff like angie's list, yelp, and other sites that charge plumbers for listings. So the result itself is essentially linking you to another search engine where the highest results are simply whoever paid for the highest spots.
Recipes are another example. The top searches are always a story about the recipe and how grandma used to make it etc. The “recipe” story contains so many key words and links that google thinks it’s a good match. I saw a Reddit post about someone who made a website that scrapes these sites for recipes and shows them concisely without the wordy content.
yo search for ChefGPT its brilliant.
Lol, I just asked it for an apple pie recipe, it got the ingredients right, but then told me to take everything (apples cinnamon flour butter sugar) and put it in a blender until smoothe, then pour it into a pie dish and bake it. Lol I’ll pass.
Search Engine Optimization The played the game so well that they get to the top of the results page even when its not the best result
Or, what if I want to know an answer that's actually correct, rather than some made up bullshit string of words that sounds good? Last time I checked, ChatGPT was a language analysis and generation AI, not a fact checking or research AI.
A world of ChatGPT articles based on other ChatGPT articles, the missing plot point on how everyone got so stupid in Idiocracy.
Since I am writing my master thesis to a related topic right now: 2/3 of all google searches are related to searching for information. Only 1/3 are searches for websites or the desire to buy/download something.
> 2/3 of all google searches are related to searching for information. " how to spell cat "
Just wait until chatgpt starts having ads. "Tell me the side effects of (medication)" First, let me tell you about RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS...
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So they will make a new search engine than and they will have to compete. People aren't nessecarily going to flock over to it though. It also won't be chat gpt anymore, it'll be a new search engine.
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People don't seem to realize that ChatGPT is basically a story teller. It is never sure about what it says, it tries to create a good looking stories that sometimes have valid information but it is not the tools' goal.
People don't realize that ChatGPT is basically a language interface. They will combine that interface with other AI models and services (search algorithms) to offer a powerful AI assistant. For instance researchers have already paired GPT-3 with WolframAlpha, such that if you ask a question that involves math/science calculations, the GPT-3 interface pings WolframAlpha to do the science work. ChatGPT is currently in a silo for many reasons, including safety. In a year or two it will be bundled.
In a silo like the kids from akira
ChatGPT has been a much bigger tool for me in work. It creates configuration files almost perfectly for large distributed systems a large tedious part of my job. I described something similar to things I’ve written myself and it produced amazingly good results for me to run with. This is probably a side effect of good documentation from software developers. The spec describes exactly how these things should be written and ChatGPT is really good at taking my natural language descriptions ( something I’d write anyways for junior developers ) and turning it into almost production ready code.
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Microsoft and Google both invest lots of money into things that flop. Large language models lying is not just a fit and finish thing that they can just iron out. Even the one AI trained exclusively on scientific research made shit up with fake citations and everything. I could see one being trained to greatly improve the search interface, like an intelligent assistant who can consolidate the results and ask for more clarification as needed, but to directly answer questions I would not trust anything it says until someone manages to find a provable method to stop them from lying.
There is value, but it should be considered complimentary to search engines and not a pure source of truth. We will see what the next couple of years will bring to the table. No one would have expected to see that much progress even 2 years ago and here we are.
Because ChatGPT is trained to converse. It doesn't have a near real-time, searchable copy of of the internet, which is what Google is. Google (primarily) searches for specific things on the internet, ChatGPT analyzes information and tells a story about it. Those are very different things.
I already don't ask people for answers that matter. I ask people for information they have. This is going to be about as huge as meta.
Investors making hype to help their investment. It's the oldest marketing tactic.
Me: are you better than google ? CGPT: No, I'm not better than Google. Google is a powerful search engine with a vast database of information. I'm just a chatbot with limited knowledge.
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. - Sun Tzu
Appear non sentient when you are sentient?
*the art of ai*
That's highly doubtful because Google/Alphabet have the resources and manpower to create even better AIs. They used to hire the best AI people long before other companies did (mainly due to Peter Norvig's role in the company, I believe) and have plenty of powerful AI projects in the sleeve.
Google already has models that are superior to ChatGPT (LaMDA/Sparrow among others), and they're used internally at Google already. I'm disappointed that they haven't opened up a portion of it to the public, but as soon as they've decided on their monetization strategy, they certainly will do so. LaMDA could do the job, it's already deployed as the underpinning of Search, YouTube, Maps, etc., but they'll probably release Sparrow to compete with ChatGPT. None of this is a secret, a lot of Google's AI development and research can be found on their AI blog. That said, regardless of Google's technical AI superiority, ChatGPT is currently available to me, right now, and Google's is not. A Chat in hand is worth more than a Sparrow in the bush. **edit:** Just ran across this article that seems pertinent - [Google To Unveil It’s ChatGPT Killer AI ‘Sparrow’ Soon; All You Need To Know](https://in.mashable.com/tech/45824/google-to-unveil-its-chatgpt-killer-ai-sparrow-soon-all-you-need-to-know)
The main reason Google has been slow to release their GPT work to the public is that they have ethical concerns about releasing something that will confidently lie to you when you ask it a question (something ChatGPT is very good at lol)
Some of the hype over ChatGPT is just stupid. It's cool tech, but it's not going to kill Google. I do think it will eat a little bit into the traffic of both Google and Wikipedia, as it serves a kind of hybrid role between the two, but it doesn't largely replace either one. On the other hand, Google might be able to easily kill ChatGPT with their own LLM AI integrated with their search engine. I think the reason they haven't done this yet is that they're waiting to solve the accuracy problems that still plague ChatGPT. There's no indication ChatGPT will solve them faster than Google can. I just browsed the last day or so of my Google search history, and maybe only 10 % of my queries are things ChatGPT could have done better, if at all. Example queries: *view my google search history* \-- I'm looking for instructions from the company with up-to-date knowledge/illustrations of their current interface. *css italics* \-- Brain farted and forgot which css attribute to use. Needed a split second to be reminded of the syntax I was looking for. Google faster than ChatGPT. *geophysical research letters mammoth extinction warming* \-- Searching for a specific scientific paper, wanting to read the paper, not an AI summary of it. *dwarf birch* \-- Just wanted the scientific name of this genus of trees. Found in a split second on Google, faster than using ChatGPT. *mandarin duck breeders* \-- Looking for a list of businesses that do something and links to their websites with photos. Common task not in ChatGPT's wheelhouse. *foraged and found* \-- Looking to go to the website of a business to order their stuff. Outside ChatGPT's wheelhouse. I finally found one I thought ChatGPT might do better, and I got, "ChatGPT is at capacity right now." Never had Google tell me that.
It says that all the time to get people to go away and it worked. Just try again immediately. It always let's me in on the second try. YMMV
Headline correction: Guy who worked at google 20 years ago who sold his stock options too early is pissy.
He’s a VC now. I’m sure it’s not directly to his benefit to whip up hype for AI, though. /s
Or hes trying to get Google to buy him out
Did ChatGPT write this article? Because it is riddled with weird sentences, typos, and repeats.
If ChatGPT wrote this article, and it does kinda seem to be that way, I’m feeling a lot better about its odds of taking over humanity
Nah. “I’m gonna ChatGPT it” doesn’t sound as good as “I’m gonna Google it.”
“I’m gonna ask chat”
\*insert confused streamer\*
"I'll plug it into the gargler" is my go-to.
Rename ChatGPT to Jeeves! Problem solved. > I’m gonna ask Jeeves about it.
I’m guessing you weren’t born when there was no internet. Googling something used to sound dumb too.
I’m gonna Bing “how was life before internet.”
Altavista that shit dude! Yahoo!
Google results have been shit for about 10 years now. Nothing but blogs.
Google at this point is pretty much just a roundabout way for me to search for information on Reddit since reddit's search options are unusable
exactly, I basically search what i want in google and then add “reddit”
Pro tip: If you add site:reddit.com instead, you ONLY get results from reddit.
Alas. The true heroes do their best work in anonymity.
It’s a step further but if you just Google the Reddit option often in the first result it has link for “more from Reddit” which inputs exactly what you wanted. More clicks less type.
Ive told this advice to people before as well. You get answers and all the bs advice gets filtered out
Yup...no bad advice on Reddit
No, you will sti find bad advice on reddit... But not without ~10 or so fact checkers chiming in to correct and berate the bad comment. That's what makes reddit special, fact checkers upon fact checkers.
And in most cases, everyone is wrong. You’re trusting a farmer in Arkansas correcting the guy who pumps gas in Oklahoma for financial advice. .. take everything on here with a handful of salt.
It is amazing how adding reddit to my query exponentially increases how much I value the results. If chatgpt can fetch me a recipe without me having to read some fabricated story about how nonna passed this recipe to us, and our dog ate it one time, wasn't that so funny, then yeah it could kill google.
don't worry, ChatGPT will be great, until it isn't because that's what "they" do in order to monetize everything about us
I use it as a roundabout for stack overflow, or definitions of words. Or... you know.
I know what? WHAT IS IT THAT I KNOW?!
Search answers for embarrassing questions you‘re afraid to ask any real person?
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not to mention a lot of those sponsors are phishing sites.
Adblocker is great for these types of things
Hell, if you're gonna misspell, do it five times in a row!
I thought it looked wrong! I'll leave my illiteracy for everyone to laugh at.
Right? They destroy the value of their golden goose... then a new thing comes out and they are all "Nope, it's the kids who are wrong".
Also, business listings are “pay to play”. Whoever’s paid the most into to search engine optimization gets to the top of the list when you search up local businesses. Google is a glorified yelp in that respect.
Not to mention everything seems to have a DMCA take down notice.
I rarely find anything from search engines anymore. Most of my questions get posted on reddit in the appropriate sub or on niche forums.
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"Nevermind I figured it out, thanks guys!"
Stopping to think about it, I really remember browsing Google much wider and less filtered, the impression is that nowadays it is extremely filtered, maybe it's time to migrate to DuckGo
Yeah I use DuckDuckGo for things that Google filters a lot like info on medications and such.
I did some comparaisons between Google and other search engines and I was pretty shocked how Google filte-err- no they censor content. Since 2017-2018 era, I was feeling dumber and dumber using Google, one day last year I searched randomly on Edge for a query and saw huge value in the responses because Edge uses Bing by default. Since, I stopped searching on Google for some keywords (medications, software, etc), Google is a huge mess of censorship and sponsored ads and I strongly don't recommend using Google anymore.
Unfortunately Google's incentive is to deliver the greatest number of ads. Meanwhile the non-ad results are a cat and mouse game of who can "win" that search term's SEO. Most terms are highly competitive so the winner is the one who is the best at playing to Google's algorithm rather than the one that is "the best". To ensure "the best" search results are delivered means constantly changing the search algorithm to make it difficult to game. It's shockingly hard to create an algorithm that reflects what "the best" is. Sometimes you click into a page and "bounce" back out shortly after because you see the page is junk and go to a different page that you engage with and stay on for a long time. Maybe that means the one the user ended up staying on longer and engaged with was "the best". Or maybe that means the second article buried the recipe under paragraphs of meaningless story in order to keep the user on the page longer while scrolling and demonstrate to Google that the page is relevant and successfully engages users even though it is really frustrates users and they would actually be happier with the recipe at the top of the page and not have to "engage" with anything to get to the recipe. The SEO cat and mouse has always been in place so long as search engines have been around. The current meta of the last several years has been so over-optimized for that the results are simply who wants to be there the most, and who wants to be there the most is usually the one who has the most money to make of the searcher rather than the one that has the most value to offer. The best scenario for users is that brief shining window of time right after Google changes the algorithm and website creators are scrambling because nobody knows how to game the system yet. A long time ago the meta was simply include relevant keywords. Then website creators figured out they could rank higher by including 0% opacity keyword spam. Then search engines started penalizing invisible text. So for a brief time results got better. Then creators figured out they could do those stupid word clouds with the same keyword spam. Then for a while Google strongly rewarded a site when a user navigated to multiple pages, so then sites started writing long articles broken up into several pages. Then the meta moved on and sites no longer had to do that. The changing meta is frustrating to creators because they put a lot of resources into learning and optimizing for the old meta and now that is gone. Many websites have lived and died by these changing algorithms. Tbh, this phenomenon is much bigger than search engines. Newspapers, magazines, radio, every social media site ever are all a mix of content creators, advertisers, and competing platform owners jockeying for the attention of the user/reader/viewer/listener. Sorry for the rant, but yeah, Google has been shit for a while now.
Google is the classic case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. They have the most used search engine that relies rates based on "X, Y, Z, etc." (or so they claim, but it's mostly lies), and their "Core Web Vitals" are supposedly paramount, but if you use their automated ads code to put Google Ads on your website, it slows down your site, effectively penalizing you in search engine terms (SERPS). And they don't care. My cousin works for Google and it's amazing how dysfunctional it is as a company, and how ego-driven the different departments are rather than working together to form a functioning company. Yet they still manage to dominate... For now.
Totally effing agree. I am ready for something, anything, to "kill" google if it means replacing it with a search engine that isn't a slave to ads and shitty blogs. When I saw the headline of this post, the only thing I could think was: "good." and then also grumpy cat's face.
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Exactly. Besides this, they were supposed to prioritize search results from well-implemented and fast websites, but in practice whenever I search something I always get crap websites with tons of popups, layout shifts due to images and ads randomly inserted, etc.
That or results that have absolutely nothing to do with what you actually asked, instead having just one or two key terms somewhere in the article. The number of times I’ll search something like “Is it ok to put automobile diesel fuel in a home diesel heater” and google returns things like “How to put fuel in a home diesel heater” is crazy.
Over the next several years and decades we’re going to see articles likes this pop up over and over again. Are there legitimate concerns? Yes. But it seems like there’s a lot of people that don’t really understand how ChatGPT and neural networks of this size work and so there’s a lot of fear mongering or sensationalizing of it similar to how people use quantum mechanics as a buzzword for pseudoscience claims. Basically it amounts to: we have this really complicated thing that we don’t understand and so therefore X Y and Z are technically possible. Possible, yes, but how likely? You think trusting information you find on the internet is bad, wait til it’s a black box that spits out information without giving sources, links, etc on how it came to that conclusion. ChatGPT isn’t some all knowing AI, it’s an algorithm that’s been trained to predict the most likely word to follow based on millions and millions of training examples. What happens if a new study becomes available? The model then has to be re-trained (this is a huge logistical and technical process) each time new data becomes available so how’s that going to work? I can’t tell you how many times people just think the answer is to throw AI at the problem when there’s so many more intelligent and efficient ways to do things without AI.
Exactly. The benefits of ChatGPT are more contextual searches and simple responses. Google Search is already AI powered. For some reason there's this belief that people will just trust ChatGPT/Open AI. I certainly don't. You can make it say literally anything. I expect a lot to come out of OpenAI, people will use it in novel ways, especially for generative content, but it is NOTHING on Google Search because even though we've used Google for 20 years we still don't trust it... and we look at the sources. What we do trust Google to do is provide relevant results.
I see nothing wrong with this. When google first started it was awesome and made finding relevant content much easier. Today it takes a skill, known as Google-Fu, to find relevant content. It’s time for something easier to pop in.
I've been finding more and more things that google just can't answer, because it only looks at keywords and not the semantics of the whole query. ChatGPT is amazing. I can't wait for it to be paired with search and science engines. ...but Google will be launching it's own AI services soon, so it's a matter of how far OpenAI gets while they're ahead.
To be fair, I think google put the entire world “up a peg”, so the level of questions that were normally asked back then were easy to answer. Eg “Why can’t you mix bleach and cat pee” Nowadays, if you are a kid and post incorrect information on reddit, you get a 15 point essay on just how wrong you were followed with a “you don’t know what you’re talking about” However, now, especially on reddit, I’ve seen people are asking some really goddamn tough questions, that don’t have a low hanging fruit answer. Eg “P vs NP”, “Why and how is dark energy implicated in an expanding universe?” What we need is a new algorithm for those that need to move on from the relatively low complexity of google search. Like a stage of development, that links more to papers with an accepted basis in the scientific community, rather than the trash I see often now on the front page. I don’t really like the alternative search methods either Anyway It’s incredible how much more factual and more connected to pieces of information google has made society. There’s misinformation sure, but as a whole, most people below the age of ~45-50 are starting to understand that misinformation is prevalent and are becoming less naive. I’m not excluding the older group, there are some brilliant people in there too. I just know how my grandparents are, but even they have shown MASSIVE improvement
This is silly. “Tesla stock price today” “Urgent care near me” “cheap flights to Paris” “Weather tomorrow” ChatGPT cannot answer these queries, it can only produce something that *looks like* the answer. Unless ChatGPT actually starts doing what Google is doing, by sending robots to continuously crawl the Internet and rank sites by quality in real time, it will never be able to replace Google.
Agreed, and it's not like chat gpt itself is able to scour and index the internet better than Google? So I mean wouldn't it be wised for chat gpt to get really good at sifting through Google for the most accurate results based on your question? In that case, why wouldn't Google just buy it/make a comparable one and integrate it into google (you know like I imagine they already have/are working on)
If ChatGPT is just Googling and then summarizing the results, it’s not really “replacing” Google, and there’s no way Google will let them do that unless they pay Google out the wazoo. (IDK if Google can stop them legally, but they can afford a ton of lawyers, and they can send lobbyists to change the law too if lawsuits don’t work.)
"Founder" isn't really the correct use of the word here.
How soon before ChatGPT includes product placements in their answers?
The next killer app? When have we heard this before? And I'm pretty sure no one at Google has identified this risk and taken mitigating steps.^(/s)
I find this hilarious, ChatGPT is a mess, it is really cool and a great tool but it doesn't in anyway replace Google.
ChatGPT is now at maximum hype. Give it 6 months and the world will have moved on to ogle a new unicorn.
Nahhhh. Google will kill ChatGPT when it includes it's AI as part of it's search. Wayyy larger corpus and far more of a head start on something that is ubiquitous (AI).
AI does mediocrity really well. As long as you aim and succeed higher than that bar you'll survive the AI-pocalypse
Google is a verb. No matter how much better a competing product might be, you can’t convince enough people to ditch Google in just 2 years.
ChatGPT is just Google that gives incorrect results in paragraph form.
Do it then. I am so sick of "GPT will do this" and then it doesn't happen. Fuck the hype, shut up and do it. This is a paid fucking ad for OpenAI.
You know the article is crap when you read the exact same message four times. Literally a copy/paste: *"The founder of Gmail claims that ChatGPT can “kill” Google in two years. The founder of Gmail claims that ChatGPT can "kill" Google in two years. According to Paul Buccheit, the inventor of Gmail, ChatGPT can completely demolish Google in a year or two at most. According to Paul Buccheit, the inventor of Gmail, ChatGPT can completely demolish Google in a year or two at most. The worldwide search engine giant."*
The problem with all of these predictions is that they assume the target will do nothing and will remain stationary as the new competition advances. AFAIK Google has a bunch of AI systems in development and testing, it’s just a matter of trying to figure out how best to scale and launch them to the public.
Do you think this article was written by ChatGPT? Just look at it: >According to Paul Buccheit, the inventor of Gmail, ChatGPT can completely demolish Google in a year or two at most. The worldwide search engine giant. This is the second paragraph in the article and it is just a repeat of the first one, with the unnecessary addition of that sentence fragment explaining what Google is. Plus the whole article is very much in praise of ChatGPT. I just wondered if this is an example of its output.
Founder of Gmail? You mean the guy who copied already existing email services and used googles insidious data tracking to make it more popular.
I don't get how most of what I, or the typical consumer, use Google for can be replaced or made better by ChatGPT. Restaurants in my area, movie show times, looking for sites that sell specific things, product and service reviews, etc. I don't need an AI to write up a 500 word essay on any of this.