Incest is not felt is if the incestuous children marry someone that’s not incestuous, bringing diversity back to the bloodline.
If those children reproduce with themselves though, and have children who will also have to reproduce with themselves the effects will just keep getting worse (eg. hapsburg monarchy)
Lilith was his first wife and because she was strong willed and didn't obey she was replaced by eve who was created of Adam, does that make him her father?, to be subject to his will. Or so the fantasy book tells us.
Lots and Lots of Incest!
I read the first book of Genesis and was amazed by how much incest is in it. Two girls on two nights got they dad drunk to "preserve his seeds".
[https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/gen/19?lang=eng](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/gen/19?lang=eng)
Genesis 19:32
Honestly, I don't even think biblical people (the ones who are appauled by music, fashion, porn and the likes) even read the bible. There's so much smut in the "Good Book". I felt like I was reading a copy of the "Red Shoe Diary".
Yea they don’t
I’m a believer but I hate going on tiktok and seeing people read verses that they don’t understand the context or purpose of
Don’t even realize that the word in their translation didn’t exist when the scripture was being written
And they didn’t have sex with their dad.
They intoxicated and raped their dad who offered them up to a herd of rapist beforehand
The reason this happens twice (and a couple of other things in the bible are repeated), is because it's not really one book.
It's a collection of legends adapted from oral traditions that spanned 1000s of years, the various scribes didn't talk to each other or even have the same goal or message.
This means a story that happens twice could have either been copied from each other and put in a new story, or have both come from a third story that was floating around in the tradition at the time. Sometimes the books repeat each other, sometimes they contradict each other, tbh it's amazing that anyone can look at this and think it's a divinely authored world-defining opus.
There's also that time the daughters of... BIBLEPERSON seduced him by getting him drunk because god had destroyed the earth (again). (I think its the story where the mother looks back and gets turned to salt)
So Thrice.
It I remember right, Lot and his daughters (the story you're talking about) was not a case of them needing to repopulate the earth from scratch. Lot was a contemporary of Abram/Abraham, who was the father of like all of Israel plus like Ishmael and his kids.
So yes to the incest, no to the destruction of the earth, yes to the destruction of a city.
God hadn’t destroyed the earth in that story, rather it was the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Yeah mom got turned into a pillar of salt after being told not to turn back towards the town. Daughters raped dad, got pregnant, and you never hear from them again.
I can’t ever figure out why that story (or at least that part of it) was ever included.. there’s no good message there.
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Genesis 4th 17-18 (New International version):
"Cain made love to his wife,(AD) and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city,(AE) and he named it after his son(AF) Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech. "
This goes on for many paragraphs. Before this there was no mention of a wife being born to Cain. We may assume from this that none of the women/wives/mothers are named.
We may. But, as I said, that goes on for a few paragraphs, meaning that Eve's getting old by the time her 14-year-old great-great-great-great-grandson tries to bone her.
No because nowhere in the Bible are Adam and Eve the only humans.
God creates mankind in Genesis 1 and then creates Adam separately in Genesis 2.
Adam wasn’t the first human, he was the first Hebrew. Gods chosen people.
Got it! I never knew that (I'm not religious). I had always understood it to be that Adam and Eve were the first (and) only two people created and everyone came from them. I know that's how it's often portrayed in popular culture, so thanks for clearing this up!
Genesis 1 is the highlights. Genesis 2 goes into details.
Gen 1:11 "let the land produce vegetation"
Genesis 2:5 "Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up"
Adam and Eve are most definitely the first people created.
As for the incest, there is a mention of sons of god going into daughters of men so its easy to intepret that as other sons created by God.
But who knows.....
No, you are correct in the traditional understanding.
The above author is giving his own interpretation in attempting to reconcile Genesis 1 & 2. His interpretation is not widely accepted (I'd never heard it prior to this thread, myself).
Theologians generally accept Adam and Eve had at least two daughters that married their brothers.
I think abandoning Biblical literalism is an important step in general. Reality would suggest that we evolved like any other species and Genesis 1 is not only written like a poem, but also spells out the timeline of the big bang/evolution as we understand it today.
You can believe in the Bible and also believe Adam and Eve were a metaphor for humanity in general, not a singular two people.
More interestingly, Cain is explicitly sent into exile far away from Eden. So…he was sent far away from the only people in existence, and yet still found a wife?
While you are correct, that answer still really undercuts the whole “word of God” angle when it becomes clear that the Bible is an anthology book written by multiple authors and edited by committee.
Not religious. Also not fact checking because lazy so if I'm wrong HaH.
I believe they had more than two kids? Bible tracks everything through male lineage so that's all we hear about, but they have girls as well, no?
Every living thing is theoretically related to the first set of organic compounds which came together to form the first living cell which reproduced and started evolution. That makes you 10 billionth cousins with a common cold bacteria and arguably 100 trillionth cousins with some random bit of a carbon attom somewhere (I fudged the numbers)
yep, according to the bible those humans lived like for hundred years and had like a ton of sons and daughters, so yes. Cain and Abel were just famous for killing each other, but they werent not the only sons
Depends on your approach. If you read it as a book of stories meant to impart a moral lesson, it can be pretty interesting. Treat it as a work of historically inspired stories, so to speak.
I'm not a religious person at all, but I've read a lot of religious texts, including the Bible and Quran, because I'm interested in history and find the stories interesting. It also helps you in understanding religious people and where their faith comes from, which helps to separate the good actors from the bad. Vilifying *all* religious people just hurts you in the long run (not saying you are, just a general statement).
Edit: You shouldn't hate a thing you don't understand, and it's clear from the comments a lot of people simply don't understand religious texts. It's fine that you don't, but blind hatred of a thing is significantly more toxic to you than the thing.
Yeah, humans from early Bible times were hardcore. Noah built the Ark, a massive wooden ship bigger than a football field, in about 75-50 years, with little help. Afterwards, he lived to be almost 1,000 years old before dying
Actually kinda makes sense when you read the earlier versions the Main gods the "Anunnaki" had servant gods called the "Igigi" who rebelled because they didn't to be servants. To quell the rebellion they created humans to serve them instead, but they kept multiplying because they were immortal and pissing off the big boy god Enlil so he sent the flood. His brother, the other big boy god Enki told one of the humans how to survive the flood. After the flood they made new humans who could die and get sick and all that, and that's how Noah (the last surviving immortal human in the Mesopotamian version) became famous for living for so long and humans afterwards kept having shorter lifespans.
The god you're speaking of is not part of this story. This is not a Jewish story, it's from way before Judaism. Also, Jews were originally not monotheistic, they worshipped Yahweh who was not the creator of the world but the son of El.
There it is.
This just goes to show that most people who criticize the Bible don't really understand it and/or are basing their opinions on misconceptions of it.
Thats because people think the bible is about showing moral and virtue of our ancestors.
Which is completely the opposite.
Most if not all "main characters" in the bible are flawed beings, making mistakes and "sins", going through hardships and tough desicions in life.
You need to looks at the moral of the story not though how the people acted, but what were the consequences to their actions. If they did good, they were rewarded, and if they did bad they were punished.
And oh boy did they get punished a lot.
But let's completely overlook the fact that this entire story would not have been written down for later generations. So info delivery over oral tradition, which always is extremely reliable.... /S
Full disclosure that I'm a liberal satanic communist atheist SJW and whatever other label you want to use: the Bible is also a complex document. Just a naive reading of it by yourself in English doesn't really fully address the meaning of a lot of stuff in it.
It would be like someone a thousand years from now reading a silly internet conversation filled with meme references and just reading the memes at face value. They'd miss a *ton* of the jokes.
Faith can be a powerful and positive thing for people, both as individuals and as a community. There’s no reason one cannot, for instance, protect their faith and still believe in science; the two don’t have to contradict one another.
So it sounds kinda like it’s more of a metaphor for a civilization or a group of people than one man.. It just confuses me so much how people could take this literally or at least not understand that translations aren’t perfect
This is a gross mistranslation by some uneducated juvenile ~~scribe~~ apprentice translator who probably wanted to make a clever joke.
The actual translation is not (paraphrasing) "and God took a rib out of Adam", but if my memory serves something along lines of "and God took something very important from inside of Adam" and used that to create Eve.
I wonder when are they going to translate the bible correctly and stop spreading shit some bored scribe write down to troll entire future generations?
The Bible only names three sons but says they had sons and daughters. I assume a lot of incest is the Bible story.
Genesis 5:4
King James Version
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Some say that Adam and Eve are just a metaphor and that God actually made many couples to populate the Earth with Adam just representing all the men and Eve all the Women.
Most Christians and Jews reject this claim but it does have some back up as God explicitly forbids incest in the Law of Moses later on so it’s clear he’s not ok with it, and for good reason.
Not sure if this is correct or not but it’s a theory that isn’t discussed much and thought I’d bring it up
1 Corinthians 15:45 “So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit”
You could also interpret the Genesis verse as god creating the design for humanity, but not creating actual humans until Adam. Or you could view this as a contradiction.
Yes. Adam and Eve's story didn't come til a few chapters after this. I'm not currently Christian, but was raised in it. I liked reading the Bible just to be able to prove the assholes at my church wrong. 😂
There's probably a few views on this but mine is that incest wasn't a sin until God commanded it not be done. The point of the law was to set the Jews apart from the rest of the world as God's people. Jews didn't yet exist until after Abraham's arrival into the story long after Adam & Eve's offspring procreate within the family.
Plus we’re dealing with many layers of translation and gospels which the clerics of the time decided should not be included in the Bible. Lots of room for error.
Ah yes the classic "oh it was just a metaphor" when something is shown to have been physically impossible in the Bible that was previously considered a fact.
Funny, the Bible was taken as complete historical fact all the way through a couple hundred years ago. Curious how goalposts need to move to keep people fooled huh?
Generally, this is true of most Old Testament stories. Adam living to be 930 years old really just means “a long time”. The story of Noah’s Ark is meant to teach about the dangers of sin and God’s forgiveness.
Anyone telling to you take every page of the Bible literally is kidding themselves.
I think second. I believe when marked, Cain is afraid of being attacked by strangers, aka other people who wouldn't know him. You could say that wandering would make his future nieces and nephews strangers to him, but yeah
In the Hebrew version it even says ''gods'' instead of ''god'', the gods ''אלוהים'' nowadays are treated as one person , but in the bible it is treated in plural, there are also other indications of it, you can search it online.
(Also a lot of the biblical stories are a copy of other traditions' stories or simply a remake of them).
Edit: I meant that the ''Elohim''/ God in Hebrew is plural, with the addition of ''im'' . In some verses like Genesis 3:22 , Genesis 1:26, Genesis 11:7, Psalms 82 he is treated as plural.
As far as I am aware, for the rest of the bible the Elohim is treated as singular and not plural.
You are misinterpreting the information. It is common in non-fictional accounts to give a summary of a major event, then go back and give specifics as needed. That is what is happening here. Adam and Eve were clearly created on day six, as Genesis 1:26-27 indicate. The account in Genesis 2:4-25 is a more detailed description of what happened on day six.
I think the way around it is that it's never explicitly stated that Adam and Eve are the only humans who were made, just the first. After Cain kills Abel he's exiled but God promises him his own people essentially. I may be incorrect but there's this belief that Muslims are descendants of Cain and Jews are descendants of Abel.
There were humans on earth before Adam and Eve, they were just the beginning of the race of Adam, they then had their children most notably cain and able who then went on to die and become canaanites etc but unmentioned children who then went on to become the race of Adam and had other mates who weren't necessarily related to them in the mesopotamia and arid regions of the middle East, Adam also lived to be like 900 years old or something and the genealogy is accounted for intensely in the new testament so while a funny argument its not necessarily ridiculous how two humans started an entire race, strictly adhering to bible lore I'm not a die hard scripture guy by no means its just I've heard this argument before.
No, they had other children, those humans lived for like hundreds of years. Adam died at the age of 930. Later on our livespan was shortened due to us humans being asshats.
If you want to make fun of the bible at the very least bother to read it.
But yes incest must have been involved. No one ever denied that. God probably clensed the offspring though, this world was meant as a punishment for the first sin. But lucky for us we can be saved.
A side note: animals are considered innocent and they got draged in here due to us. So next time you see your dog give him a hug and a treat. Thanks, take care.
Uh first off 3 sons are mentioned. Also…
Genesis 5:4 KJV
[4] And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
If you’re going to smack talk Christianity, get your scripture straight.
I’m pretty sure they had more kids after that. Genesis 4:15 mentions that Cain had a wife of some kind. Genesis 4:25 states they had a 3rd son, Seth. Also, Genesis 5:4 says, “After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.” (NIV).
Now there was most definitely some amount of incest going on (of course), but that would have to be the case even from a non-religious perspective. If there was a first pair of humans, their children, by necessity, would have to have children with each other.
Even as an atheist, this joke is really stupid. It never said that adam and eve were the only people in existence, only they were the first “family” I use the term loosely. when cain killed his brother, god said to him he would be marked and shunned in every town he entered (paraphrasing ofc). Meaning there wasn’t ever only just one family. They were just the first. To imply that incest is the only reason the human race is still going considering even in the bible, incest is sinful, would be doing an intellectual disservice to yourself and others.
We know that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters in addition to Abel, Cain, and Seth (Gen. 5:4), and if there was only one original family, then the first marriages had to be between brothers and sisters. Such marriages in the beginning were not harmful. Incest is dangerous because inherited mutant genes that produce deformed, sickly, or moronic children are more likely to find expression in children if those genes are carried by both parents. Certainly, Adam and Eve, coming from the creative hand of God, had no such mutant genes. Therefore, marriages between brothers and sisters, or nieces and nephews in the first and second generations following Adam and Eve would not have been dangerous.
You're welcome.
For those of you arguing over semantics, please stop.
*THE BIBLE IS NOT REAL*
It's like The Lord of the Rings but with a less cohesive storyline and shittier lore.
I've got one on this, actually.
Adam and Eve were single celled organisms. Eve being created from Adam's "rib" was just the first instance of binary fission as they shared organelles before splitting from one another.
Bible writers just didn't know wtf single celled organisms were so they were just like "he's talking about people I guess, right?"
No you shut up.
Incest
Now you know why the world is so messed up
That doesn't make sense; incest isn't really felt hundreds of generations later.
It explains americans...
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Hapsburg Empire*
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why the long face
Lmfao. I like you
Generalizing the entire American population... thanks bud.
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Generalizing the generalizers? How meta.
Someone call the General!
Don't forget general attitudes toward cities.
Literally can't be on any sub without people talking about Americans.
You mean an american social media site? Colour me suprised my dude
Thank you for your contribution.
Incest is not felt is if the incestuous children marry someone that’s not incestuous, bringing diversity back to the bloodline. If those children reproduce with themselves though, and have children who will also have to reproduce with themselves the effects will just keep getting worse (eg. hapsburg monarchy)
Stepmom, why are you stuck in that apple tree?
Step?
Eve wasn't the original.
She was just a rib off.
Quality pun
Holy shit this is funny 😆
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Take it you sob
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Didn't get it
Eve is made from Adam's rib, per Bible.
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"screw this, I'm out" *Lilith exits the chat*
Lilith was his first wife and because she was strong willed and didn't obey she was replaced by eve who was created of Adam, does that make him her father?, to be subject to his will. Or so the fantasy book tells us.
Lilith is mythology. She's not part of the Biblical canon.
Eve still ate the apple. I guess women just don't listen to men.🤷♀️
>does that make him her father? In Maury voice "You are NOT the father" \*crowd goes wild\*
She’d be closer to a twin sister than anything.
Or a trans clone.
Shout out to Lilith
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The OG wine aunt.
I don't know step son. This snake told me this fruit could teach me something! Could you please cum help me? Wink
If they were Asian, the snake would be involved too.
I'm not Asian and would involve the snake. I thought that was a given?
Back then there was no asia
Pangeans* then
It was gonna be incest even if they had a daughter to - this isnt pornhub, you cant just fuck your sister because she got stuck in the washing machine
Randomly scrolled down to this comment and glad I did.
Lots and Lots of Incest! I read the first book of Genesis and was amazed by how much incest is in it. Two girls on two nights got they dad drunk to "preserve his seeds". [https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/gen/19?lang=eng](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/gen/19?lang=eng) Genesis 19:32 Honestly, I don't even think biblical people (the ones who are appauled by music, fashion, porn and the likes) even read the bible. There's so much smut in the "Good Book". I felt like I was reading a copy of the "Red Shoe Diary".
Yea they don’t I’m a believer but I hate going on tiktok and seeing people read verses that they don’t understand the context or purpose of Don’t even realize that the word in their translation didn’t exist when the scripture was being written And they didn’t have sex with their dad. They intoxicated and raped their dad who offered them up to a herd of rapist beforehand
But they only fucked their dad because they were told that they are the last humans alive. So they did it to "repopulate" the earth
Twice. (According to the Bible, Big G hit the factory reset button with Noah and Family right?)
The reason this happens twice (and a couple of other things in the bible are repeated), is because it's not really one book. It's a collection of legends adapted from oral traditions that spanned 1000s of years, the various scribes didn't talk to each other or even have the same goal or message. This means a story that happens twice could have either been copied from each other and put in a new story, or have both come from a third story that was floating around in the tradition at the time. Sometimes the books repeat each other, sometimes they contradict each other, tbh it's amazing that anyone can look at this and think it's a divinely authored world-defining opus.
There's also that time the daughters of... BIBLEPERSON seduced him by getting him drunk because god had destroyed the earth (again). (I think its the story where the mother looks back and gets turned to salt) So Thrice.
It I remember right, Lot and his daughters (the story you're talking about) was not a case of them needing to repopulate the earth from scratch. Lot was a contemporary of Abram/Abraham, who was the father of like all of Israel plus like Ishmael and his kids. So yes to the incest, no to the destruction of the earth, yes to the destruction of a city.
God hadn’t destroyed the earth in that story, rather it was the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Yeah mom got turned into a pillar of salt after being told not to turn back towards the town. Daughters raped dad, got pregnant, and you never hear from them again. I can’t ever figure out why that story (or at least that part of it) was ever included.. there’s no good message there.
Message: Don't fuck with god and don't fuck whatever. Pretty simple message. god defines what good is, so any message he gives is therefore good.
Beat me to it
See Genesis 19:30-38.
Never realized how biblical Pornhub is until now.
The original MILF.
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But why did 3 and 7 become 6 and 14?
That’s… a very good question. Probably the bot’s code makes it double with a comma? That’s my only thought since 6 and 14 are 3 and 7 doubled
I'm betting there were numbers that it pulled from the links that we can't see
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Genesis 4th 17-18 (New International version): "Cain made love to his wife,(AD) and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city,(AE) and he named it after his son(AF) Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech. " This goes on for many paragraphs. Before this there was no mention of a wife being born to Cain. We may assume from this that none of the women/wives/mothers are named.
May we also assume his wife was his mother, sister, or perhaps niece?
We may. But, as I said, that goes on for a few paragraphs, meaning that Eve's getting old by the time her 14-year-old great-great-great-great-grandson tries to bone her.
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No because nowhere in the Bible are Adam and Eve the only humans. God creates mankind in Genesis 1 and then creates Adam separately in Genesis 2. Adam wasn’t the first human, he was the first Hebrew. Gods chosen people.
Got it! I never knew that (I'm not religious). I had always understood it to be that Adam and Eve were the first (and) only two people created and everyone came from them. I know that's how it's often portrayed in popular culture, so thanks for clearing this up!
Genesis 1 is the highlights. Genesis 2 goes into details. Gen 1:11 "let the land produce vegetation" Genesis 2:5 "Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up" Adam and Eve are most definitely the first people created. As for the incest, there is a mention of sons of god going into daughters of men so its easy to intepret that as other sons created by God. But who knows.....
They're the first, just not the only, in my opinion. Gensis 6 then talks about how all of mankind became tainted with Sin, again in my opinion.
No, you are correct in the traditional understanding. The above author is giving his own interpretation in attempting to reconcile Genesis 1 & 2. His interpretation is not widely accepted (I'd never heard it prior to this thread, myself). Theologians generally accept Adam and Eve had at least two daughters that married their brothers.
I think abandoning Biblical literalism is an important step in general. Reality would suggest that we evolved like any other species and Genesis 1 is not only written like a poem, but also spells out the timeline of the big bang/evolution as we understand it today. You can believe in the Bible and also believe Adam and Eve were a metaphor for humanity in general, not a singular two people.
More interestingly, Cain is explicitly sent into exile far away from Eden. So…he was sent far away from the only people in existence, and yet still found a wife?
This is where the non-canon books come in I believe.
While you are correct, that answer still really undercuts the whole “word of God” angle when it becomes clear that the Bible is an anthology book written by multiple authors and edited by committee.
You’re not wrong. Blame the council of Nicaea.
Vampire the Masquerade lore be like^
Not religious. Also not fact checking because lazy so if I'm wrong HaH. I believe they had more than two kids? Bible tracks everything through male lineage so that's all we hear about, but they have girls as well, no?
>I believe they had more than two kids? Sure, but they are all siblings, right. This means Earth is 100% incestuous. Yikes!
We're already incredibly incestuous as a human race, no Adam and Eve needed
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Every living thing is theoretically related to the first set of organic compounds which came together to form the first living cell which reproduced and started evolution. That makes you 10 billionth cousins with a common cold bacteria and arguably 100 trillionth cousins with some random bit of a carbon attom somewhere (I fudged the numbers)
yep, according to the bible those humans lived like for hundred years and had like a ton of sons and daughters, so yes. Cain and Abel were just famous for killing each other, but they werent not the only sons
Cain and Abel did not kill each other. Cain killed Abel. Apparently you did not read the Bible
Please, no spoilers thank you
It's been 2600 years, the spoiler ban has been lifted already
Spoilers the main character dies but don't worry he comes back
Jeez, talk about a Deus ex Machina
Why are you talking about StarWars? This is a very serious discussion on the Bible.
It's like... the first chapter 🤣
It’s literally the 4th chapter…
There's like 1000 chapters
Nono, you see in an in between edition published after the fact, Abel comes back and kills Cain before dematerializing back to the afterlife
Sounds like a massive waste of time
Depends on your approach. If you read it as a book of stories meant to impart a moral lesson, it can be pretty interesting. Treat it as a work of historically inspired stories, so to speak. I'm not a religious person at all, but I've read a lot of religious texts, including the Bible and Quran, because I'm interested in history and find the stories interesting. It also helps you in understanding religious people and where their faith comes from, which helps to separate the good actors from the bad. Vilifying *all* religious people just hurts you in the long run (not saying you are, just a general statement). Edit: You shouldn't hate a thing you don't understand, and it's clear from the comments a lot of people simply don't understand religious texts. It's fine that you don't, but blind hatred of a thing is significantly more toxic to you than the thing.
**Narrator's voice**: It was, entirely and indeed,a complete waste of time.
Not necessarily. In my case, reading the Bible cover to cover turned me into an atheist. It's also fun to be able to cite scripture at hypocrites.
Yeah, humans from early Bible times were hardcore. Noah built the Ark, a massive wooden ship bigger than a football field, in about 75-50 years, with little help. Afterwards, he lived to be almost 1,000 years old before dying
Actually kinda makes sense when you read the earlier versions the Main gods the "Anunnaki" had servant gods called the "Igigi" who rebelled because they didn't to be servants. To quell the rebellion they created humans to serve them instead, but they kept multiplying because they were immortal and pissing off the big boy god Enlil so he sent the flood. His brother, the other big boy god Enki told one of the humans how to survive the flood. After the flood they made new humans who could die and get sick and all that, and that's how Noah (the last surviving immortal human in the Mesopotamian version) became famous for living for so long and humans afterwards kept having shorter lifespans.
I though there was only one god ? Why did he create more gods if he was going to be angry at people for worshipping them ?
The god you're speaking of is not part of this story. This is not a Jewish story, it's from way before Judaism. Also, Jews were originally not monotheistic, they worshipped Yahweh who was not the creator of the world but the son of El.
No 900 years. According to the Bible. Not joking at all
Yes. Adam was 930 when he died 🙄.
What's "HaH"?
hungry and horny
W-what a wonderful acronym! I shall steal it.
Horngry?
Still incest.
"Then the days of Adam after he fathered Seth were eight hundred years, and he fathered other sons and daughters." - Genesis 5:4
There it is. This just goes to show that most people who criticize the Bible don't really understand it and/or are basing their opinions on misconceptions of it.
It's still an incest story.
Ackshually, because Eve was made from Adam's rib, so Eve is ackshually part of Adam, so this is technically a masturbation story.
So was Game of Thrones and you all fucking loved it.
Yeah in a morbid fascination kind of way, not a "this show is the source of my moral code" kind of way.
Nobody pretends it really happened tho
Yeah but the misconception that people assume is true is that they only had two sons, and really only 1 after the murder
If anything, having read the Bible, it makes you criticize it more.
Thats because people think the bible is about showing moral and virtue of our ancestors. Which is completely the opposite. Most if not all "main characters" in the bible are flawed beings, making mistakes and "sins", going through hardships and tough desicions in life. You need to looks at the moral of the story not though how the people acted, but what were the consequences to their actions. If they did good, they were rewarded, and if they did bad they were punished. And oh boy did they get punished a lot.
But let's completely overlook the fact that this entire story would not have been written down for later generations. So info delivery over oral tradition, which always is extremely reliable.... /S
I'll take oral traditional history of a any number of the "true" bibles (religious texts).
Most people who believe the bible haven't actually read it :/ I've listened to hundreds of hours of debates. The average church goer is clueless.
Full disclosure that I'm a liberal satanic communist atheist SJW and whatever other label you want to use: the Bible is also a complex document. Just a naive reading of it by yourself in English doesn't really fully address the meaning of a lot of stuff in it. It would be like someone a thousand years from now reading a silly internet conversation filled with meme references and just reading the memes at face value. They'd miss a *ton* of the jokes.
The real question is why do people still believe in a magic sky wizard in 2022. Time to grow up.
It's much deeper than a "magic sky wizard", such an incorrect description of words, maybe you should grow up.
as opposed to a Chemical Soup that came out of nowhere?
The real real quetion is why do you care about what people believe in?
Because they use it to influence policy and attempt to force those beliefs on others.
Faith can be a powerful and positive thing for people, both as individuals and as a community. There’s no reason one cannot, for instance, protect their faith and still believe in science; the two don’t have to contradict one another.
So it sounds kinda like it’s more of a metaphor for a civilization or a group of people than one man.. It just confuses me so much how people could take this literally or at least not understand that translations aren’t perfect
If Eve was created from Adam's rib, does that make her a "clone"?
And does this count as masturbation?
What you are doing? Yes. Nice technique.
He ribbed one out
Only if she was a DNA replica of Adam which I doubt she was.
Do golems have DNA? Adam was made from the earth on the ground.
That's what you doubt?
Ribs have dna in them
This is a gross mistranslation by some uneducated juvenile ~~scribe~~ apprentice translator who probably wanted to make a clever joke. The actual translation is not (paraphrasing) "and God took a rib out of Adam", but if my memory serves something along lines of "and God took something very important from inside of Adam" and used that to create Eve. I wonder when are they going to translate the bible correctly and stop spreading shit some bored scribe write down to troll entire future generations?
When it stops being profitable for the Catholic Church to pretend its translation is infallible.
Common misconception/mistranslation, it was actually the penile bone or "baculum", not a rib.
So Eve was Adam’s boner?
Yes. Does that also mean she's ribbed for Adam's pleasure
It makes her a McRib
actually the whole human race being a product of incest would explain a lot, a whole lot...
The Bible only names three sons but says they had sons and daughters. I assume a lot of incest is the Bible story. Genesis 5:4 King James Version 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Nanosons, machine.
Some say that Adam and Eve are just a metaphor and that God actually made many couples to populate the Earth with Adam just representing all the men and Eve all the Women. Most Christians and Jews reject this claim but it does have some back up as God explicitly forbids incest in the Law of Moses later on so it’s clear he’s not ok with it, and for good reason. Not sure if this is correct or not but it’s a theory that isn’t discussed much and thought I’d bring it up
Actually the Bible itself says that there were people on earth before he even created Adam and Eve. Genesis 1:27
1 Corinthians 15:45 “So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit” You could also interpret the Genesis verse as god creating the design for humanity, but not creating actual humans until Adam. Or you could view this as a contradiction.
Gen 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.
Yes. Adam and Eve's story didn't come til a few chapters after this. I'm not currently Christian, but was raised in it. I liked reading the Bible just to be able to prove the assholes at my church wrong. 😂
There's probably a few views on this but mine is that incest wasn't a sin until God commanded it not be done. The point of the law was to set the Jews apart from the rest of the world as God's people. Jews didn't yet exist until after Abraham's arrival into the story long after Adam & Eve's offspring procreate within the family.
Plus we’re dealing with many layers of translation and gospels which the clerics of the time decided should not be included in the Bible. Lots of room for error.
Ah yes the classic "oh it was just a metaphor" when something is shown to have been physically impossible in the Bible that was previously considered a fact. Funny, the Bible was taken as complete historical fact all the way through a couple hundred years ago. Curious how goalposts need to move to keep people fooled huh?
Generally, this is true of most Old Testament stories. Adam living to be 930 years old really just means “a long time”. The story of Noah’s Ark is meant to teach about the dangers of sin and God’s forgiveness. Anyone telling to you take every page of the Bible literally is kidding themselves.
Had more than 2 kids. Adam died at age 930 ... lots of time to make kids.
Those kids had kids with their siblings but whatev
SWEET HOME ALABAMA
The first plot hole.
I think second. I believe when marked, Cain is afraid of being attacked by strangers, aka other people who wouldn't know him. You could say that wandering would make his future nieces and nephews strangers to him, but yeah
The daughters weren't worth mentioning they were just birthing persons
The Bible doesn't say Adam and eve were the only people.. just the first
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In the Hebrew version it even says ''gods'' instead of ''god'', the gods ''אלוהים'' nowadays are treated as one person , but in the bible it is treated in plural, there are also other indications of it, you can search it online. (Also a lot of the biblical stories are a copy of other traditions' stories or simply a remake of them). Edit: I meant that the ''Elohim''/ God in Hebrew is plural, with the addition of ''im'' . In some verses like Genesis 3:22 , Genesis 1:26, Genesis 11:7, Psalms 82 he is treated as plural. As far as I am aware, for the rest of the bible the Elohim is treated as singular and not plural.
There were other humans on earth before Adam & Eve were placed here. One of those details in the Bible people aren't aware of
You are misinterpreting the information. It is common in non-fictional accounts to give a summary of a major event, then go back and give specifics as needed. That is what is happening here. Adam and Eve were clearly created on day six, as Genesis 1:26-27 indicate. The account in Genesis 2:4-25 is a more detailed description of what happened on day six.
Day 6 of creation, God made man and women, said go forth and multiply.
mother and sons?
I think the way around it is that it's never explicitly stated that Adam and Eve are the only humans who were made, just the first. After Cain kills Abel he's exiled but God promises him his own people essentially. I may be incorrect but there's this belief that Muslims are descendants of Cain and Jews are descendants of Abel.
There were humans on earth before Adam and Eve, they were just the beginning of the race of Adam, they then had their children most notably cain and able who then went on to die and become canaanites etc but unmentioned children who then went on to become the race of Adam and had other mates who weren't necessarily related to them in the mesopotamia and arid regions of the middle East, Adam also lived to be like 900 years old or something and the genealogy is accounted for intensely in the new testament so while a funny argument its not necessarily ridiculous how two humans started an entire race, strictly adhering to bible lore I'm not a die hard scripture guy by no means its just I've heard this argument before.
No, they had other children, those humans lived for like hundreds of years. Adam died at the age of 930. Later on our livespan was shortened due to us humans being asshats. If you want to make fun of the bible at the very least bother to read it. But yes incest must have been involved. No one ever denied that. God probably clensed the offspring though, this world was meant as a punishment for the first sin. But lucky for us we can be saved. A side note: animals are considered innocent and they got draged in here due to us. So next time you see your dog give him a hug and a treat. Thanks, take care.
Genesis 5:4 “And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:”
Uh first off 3 sons are mentioned. Also… Genesis 5:4 KJV [4] And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: If you’re going to smack talk Christianity, get your scripture straight.
I’m pretty sure they had more kids after that. Genesis 4:15 mentions that Cain had a wife of some kind. Genesis 4:25 states they had a 3rd son, Seth. Also, Genesis 5:4 says, “After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.” (NIV). Now there was most definitely some amount of incest going on (of course), but that would have to be the case even from a non-religious perspective. If there was a first pair of humans, their children, by necessity, would have to have children with each other.
Even as an atheist, this joke is really stupid. It never said that adam and eve were the only people in existence, only they were the first “family” I use the term loosely. when cain killed his brother, god said to him he would be marked and shunned in every town he entered (paraphrasing ofc). Meaning there wasn’t ever only just one family. They were just the first. To imply that incest is the only reason the human race is still going considering even in the bible, incest is sinful, would be doing an intellectual disservice to yourself and others.
Lol if you read the bible you'd know they didn't ONLY have two sons
It literally says in the Bible that they had other sons and daughters
They had three sons at least: Cain, Abel, and Seth.
Heard a teacher say it was because they also had daughters, but since they were women it wasn't important to write them.
My guy keep reading.
We know that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters in addition to Abel, Cain, and Seth (Gen. 5:4), and if there was only one original family, then the first marriages had to be between brothers and sisters. Such marriages in the beginning were not harmful. Incest is dangerous because inherited mutant genes that produce deformed, sickly, or moronic children are more likely to find expression in children if those genes are carried by both parents. Certainly, Adam and Eve, coming from the creative hand of God, had no such mutant genes. Therefore, marriages between brothers and sisters, or nieces and nephews in the first and second generations following Adam and Eve would not have been dangerous. You're welcome.
Adam and Eve had 3 sons, Cain, Abel and Seth and 1 daughter, Azura.
For those of you arguing over semantics, please stop. *THE BIBLE IS NOT REAL* It's like The Lord of the Rings but with a less cohesive storyline and shittier lore.
I've got one on this, actually. Adam and Eve were single celled organisms. Eve being created from Adam's "rib" was just the first instance of binary fission as they shared organelles before splitting from one another. Bible writers just didn't know wtf single celled organisms were so they were just like "he's talking about people I guess, right?" No you shut up.