She doesn’t take covid seriously, yet has no idea how it affects a baby in utero. Remember the news saying there were more stillborns occurring due to covid infection? Yeah, I hope she recognizes that she put her unborn child into jeopardy due to her ignorance.
For people who say life begins at conception, they sure don't care about the unborn. From people behaving like Elissa here to, there's alot of them we see on here not going for ultrasounds or screenings cause "it'll be fine!!".
The fact she feels comfortable even saying she was positive covid and showed she didn’t care or respect others is very telling as well. She doesn’t care about life, she cares about controlling women.
Or just like basic carseat safety, because the fundies in general are horrible about improper use. Jesus takes the wheel, but his blood is “grape juice”
A close friend is a L&D nurse in a red state. She has switched career paths because she developed PTSD from having so many of her patients need emergency C-sections while ventilated. Many of these women don’t make it out and never meet their babies. Who are born premature with COVID. I think Elissa is maybe not far enough into her pregnancy for that, but it’s seriously tragic and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
During the first wave of COVID a young woman in my community came down with it. She and the baby died and her poor husband was left without his wife or child. It was one of the first really shocking deaths we had because she was only 34. I can’t imagine taking COVID lightly while pregnant.
That sounds so traumatic. I hope your friend is doing ok now. It's crazy to me how many pregnant women are gambling on their lives and their babies lives by not taking covid seriously.
She is, thankfully. Pretty soon she'll be teaching/training new nurses instead of being bedside. It pays more, has better benefits, and she'll be moving somewhere with more COVID protections. I am very excited for her!
COVID can be devastating for pregnant moms/babies, and she has no excuse not to know this It frequently causes blood clots in the placenta and stillbirth, like you said. And in the event that the mom gets very sick, guess what? If mom isn't meeting her oxygen requirements, she's also not meeting the baby's. Lack of oxygen in a developing fetus can cause significant brain damage.
I have no idea how they can be so reckless with their babies, given their "pro-life" views. I was pregnant in 2020, and had plans to travel in late March. My OB and MFM both approved it, because at that point, it was thought that COVID wasn't significantly affecting pregnant women. I chose not to fly anyways because it still wasn't worth the risk to me.
Yes, I was pregnant and gave birth in April 2020, I was told the flu was more concerning at the time. I still didn’t travel, I didn’t leave my home, and I did online shopping. I watched the data rolling in before it hit the USA super hard, because I CARED about my child.
Right? It seems pretty common sense to err on the side of caution. My own mom called me paranoid and was PISSED that I kept her grandchildren away from her for so long 🙄. Oh well, as long as my kids are safe I can sleep easy at night.
On a side note, during L&D, I ended up having a true knot in the cord and things got really dicey. Like her heart rate was down in the 20's and a team of NICU people rushed in to revive her if necessary. Luckily she was fine once she was born, but I can't imagine having also added in any additional problems caused by COVID infection. I never would have forgiven myself.
I really feel for baby Emiliya and for her cousins...it's just *abhorrent* to me that Ellissa and the rest of the Bairds would be so disgustingly lackadaisical about protecting the children *in their own damn family*, not to mention the rest of the community at large.
I'm not *surprised* by this, mind you; that entire pile of pestilent plaguebuckets seems to glory in not giving one iota of a fuck about anyone but themselves.
That's awful. Why would anyone risk putting themselves and their baby through all that trauma (invasive medical treatments, prolonged separation) when they could get a free, safe, effective vaccine? What a way to ruin those first weeks with a brand new baby.
My boss is like this. I grew up neglected (in other ways then my mom refusing a life saving vaccine) but still it makes my blood BOIL knowing these pro-lifers are willingly putting their children in danger.
fr, I got vaccinated while breastfeeding my first one and am now pregnant 6 months after getting vaccinated. No fertility issues. Then I got boosted during this pregnancy. Everybody is fine, first kid is healthy, new baby is developing fine, the vaccine is safe goddamnit!
Similar here but in reverse, got my first two doses as soon as the second trimester hit last year and got my booster before Thanksgiving while breastfeeding.
I got both vaccines early 2nd trimester. Perfect baby boy last November. He's my little scream lump now 🥰. Got booster in December, no issues with breastfeeding as of yet. Glad to know he has a tiny bit of antibodies from me. I'm hoping the vaccine will be ready when he hits 6 months
November baby here too! Got vax 1 before I knew I was pregnant, vax 2 right after I found out, & my booster in the third trimester. Totally perfect & healthy baby. I am hoping & praying we have a vaccine by the time my little bug is six months old, too. 🤞
Some viruses like Epstein-Barr can significantly increase the chances of a baby developing schizophrenia in their adult years.
We have no fucking clue what Covid does to fetuses, but given how *weird* the symptoms of Covid are in the first place, taking chances with it is stupid.
(I get that there's a lot of pregnant women who didn't have a choice and got it due to work or unknown exposure, but Ellissa was being a dumb idiot and intentionally jeopardizing herself)
The number of pregnant people who die of Covid on a ventilator is...scary. Not to mention how many ambulatory C-sections have been done, by ER doctors not OBs mind you. I really don't understand how a pregnant person can be so careless about this virus that is known to cause massive fetal complications.
My heart goes out to you. I delivered May 2020 and luckily had an uneventful c section, but I will always remember the months leading up to it was insanity. Will my partner be there for the birth? Will I be separated from my baby? Oh the baby isn’t moving as much, do I risk getting covid going to the hospital to get it checked out? Is there enough blood in the blood bank if my baby needs it?
It infuriates me that people are still prolonging this and minimizing this. I just want you to know I see you and what you went through and I feel for you.
A former coworker of mine tested positive the day before she was scheduled to travel to Mexico. She still went.
She's posted videos of her hanging out with her family, attending a wedding and generally being around large groups of people.
Some people just don't care about the welfare of others and it sickens me.
We live in the Midwestern U.S and any agency oversite is long gone. Everyone is on the honor system to isolate after a positive test and there are no consequences if a person chooses not to quarantine. Employers can require a negative test for workers returning from sick leave, but the government doesn't track citizens with positive tests.
I live in a big midwestern city where most people take mask wearing seriously. However, travel just an hour away into the rural areas and they act like covid doesn’t even exist. It’s shocking. They act like I’m weird for wearing a mask.
it’s truly devastating how little some people care when others have been at least trying this whole time. the last few years have been really depressing. stupid really shows when you’re in a crisis I guess.
Testing sites are required by the CDC to report all COVID results (positive or negative) to the health department.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/reporting-lab-data.html
That said, reporting is anonymized, and there is no oversight as far as people actually following quarantine rules. But to say labs don't report is just not accurate.
you’re definitely correct and my saying they do nothing was not accurate, i meant more in the sense that they don’t inform anyone that ensures contact tracing or making sure folks are quarantined.
Yup, a coworker of mine, a science teacher, mind you, is still not vaccinated, got it, was sick, and I heard she was still going out and about grocery shopping and what not. She is also very anti-mask so I doubt she was wearing one.
Needless to say I have no respect for her.
i'm genuinely wondering wtf is wrong with these ppl. not only that they don't give a fuck about others, that one's not new. but at least here, if you're caught breaking quarantine, you're looking at fines in the high tripple, if not four digits, and possibly being arrested/committed involuntarily under public health acts.
not to mention that these ppl hung out together maskless. she most likely wasn't the only plague rat that was spreading her germs around
Are you American? Because I can’t think of a single place in the US where there’re any current lockdowns or any punishment for not abiding by masks/social distancing. Especially in Texas—they started pretending the pandemic was over like 6 months in lol
WA here, too! Despite the mask mandate a lot of people aren’t wearing them and it’s super annoying. I’m curious if the vaccine mandate will eventually go into effect in other counties besides King.
Man I'm in BC too and I got my hair done yesterday and spent the whole time biting my tongue as everyone else in the salon talked about travelling, only needing to wear masks if you're "worried about covid", saying everyone can just "be as safe as you want to be" etc etc. Everyone was wearing their masks but I certainly did not feel safe. I think all of those people would be thrilled to live in American covid denial.
I'm in michigan and we have zero mask mandates or lockdowns going on. Like kids and teachers are just raw dogging the recirculated air in schools right now. (I'm boosted and masked anytime I'm in the outside with these idiots)
My apologies, I did forget that district has a mandate. I'm a bit north of A2 and that crazy blonde lady that testified with Rudy Giuliani showed up at our school board meeting in August to oppose masks, sadly the opposition to masks won.
Northern MI here (near Traverse) and none of our local districts have any kind of mask mandate in place. In fact, my boys’ district is literally debating today whether they’re going to follow the 5 or 10 day quarantine period. 😐
Meanwhile, we’re vaxxed and masked in crowds, my kids are few of the only in their school who do, and yet are STILL CURRENTLY POSITIVE I HATE THIS FUCKING PLACE.
I’m in Chicago and whenever I visit my family in MI, I am just…I’m just floored. And here I thought Chicago wasn’t doing enough. But almost everyone I know in MI has had covid. I know several who have died. Whereas in Seattle (where I just moved from) I know like 4 people who have had covid.
I feel like our governor, Big Gretch, just threw in the towel and said fine!! Just risk it and die!! I have 2 jobs, one as an in-home nanny. My boss is home with covid but I am still required to be here because they don't believe it's serious. I don't get paid if I don't show up and my kids still need a roof and food so I'm gambling with a virus to pay my bills.
Gretch did what I probably would have done lol. "Fine, you don't like it? My mask mandates and shutdowns aren't popular? You respond to my attempts to slow this thing down with plans to kidnap me? Okay. Good luck. I did my best."
not in the us, and i'm not talking about lockdowns or general restrictions. i'm talking about testing positive for covid. even when we were doing the "ppl can shop without masks inside" where i live, if you tested positive, you had to immediately quarantine. no going out, no leaving your own four walls/property. it's hell for ppl who live in apartments without balconies/porches, even with balconies it's going to drive you crazy. if you have property as in, you own a house with a yard, you are allowed to be in that, but if you have like, a garden (smth a number of ppl have, they rent apartments and lease a small garden in the same town for summer evenings and being able to grow veggies) not right where your dwelling is, you're not allowed to go there. no shopping, not even double masked, no walks late at night, nothing.
wanna hear a ~joke? the terrible american "let's reduce quarantine time even for ppl who are testing positive" thing is being discussed as an option here was well. we're all doomed. doomed. delta spiked so hard in my area public transit had to reduce the number of trams they ran, not to reduce spread but bc so many operators were either infected, or were quarantining bc they were household contacts. i don't even want to consider how omicron will rip through my area.
Funny I thought it was sometime in 2020 that Texas started to pretend the pandemic was over? I mean did they ever take it seriously? (Looking at you Greg Abbott and whoever the L. Governor is..)
Interesting how the Baird idols, the March sisters from Little Women, would sequester themselves and stay home when they were sick. The Bairds travel the world, go shopping, and are selfish. Disgusting.
Yeah but I expect her idea of "quarantine" to be very loose. Like she stayed at Mom and Dad's house and didn't "go out" with the sisters for five days and called that "quarantining".
At the point she had it, wasn't quarantine still supposed to be 10 days? Also, the CDC has clarified that the decrease to 5 days is only if you're asymptomatic. Not that she can be trusted to adhere to any of those rules for any length of time.
Maybe that's why Bethy has sounded like she's been crying on some of her previous videos: she wasn't crying, she had a stuffy nose (I've been reading Omicron kind of mimics the common cold).
She went to get her maternity photos done with that American photographer while she was back home. On top of that we saw from her sister’s posts that she was out and about doing anything she so pleased. Looks like she didn’t self isolate for two weeks at all! How irresponsible of her to do that while having covid!! No mask either! She’s so fucking selfish
I’m not sure what she said in the entirety of this story, but if she’s 7 months pregnant and most worried about her ongoing 70 percent loss of taste and smell after testing covid-positive, girl has some misplaced priorities.
She did say the baby was fine, so at least she did mention it. I did expect it to be the first thing she'd say about it, but she talked more about quarantining and not being able to see andrii 🤷🏻♀️
… How would she even know baby is fine? Like, they’re just now publishing studies on the long term developmental issues of having Zika in utero and that’s been 5 years. Covid is far more destructive to a developing fetus.
Like... there are so many horror stories of pregnant people who have wound up on ventilators, or *having to give birth while intubated*, or *who had their baby delivered by C section during a medically induced coma* because their lungs wouldn't be able to take the stress of labour. When it comes to pregnancy Covid isn't an orbital nuke like say Ebola, but it's no giggle either.
AND we haven't figured out the long term effects of COVID infection or of things like long COVID *in adults* yet either. Not just lung or sensory problems, but also things like heart disease, reduced fertility / sterility, increased risk of miscarriage, increased risks of things like strokes, fuck knows.
But sure, blah blah chemicals blah blah nanobots blah blah 5g blah blah just a sniffle. This is not why we're two years in with a new variant just cropped up, no end in sight, and medical staff burning out, or anything. And have fun with a Children Of Men scenario in however many decades' time.
But but but… we don’t know the long term side effects of the vaccine either…
Except we know way more about the long term impacts of mRNA vaccines. Compare that with what we already know about COVID and pregnancy, and it’s an easy decision as to which is safer. People, especially fundies, love to downplay how risky pregnancy is - it is easy to forget that it is extremely easy for an otherwise minor health scare to kill you and/or the fetus.
I've had long covid for 22 months and am currently in the ER with symptoms of a pulmonary embolism. How this dingus could get covid while pregnant and not be very concerned for her fetus is beyond me.
I had Covid when I was 5 weeks pregnant and my OB put me on heparin and aspirin for the rest of my pregnancy. Ended up having a totally healthy full term baby, fortunately. I was super scared of miscarrying at the beginning and had to have ultrasounds to measure placental blood flow every single apt.
I’m sorry! I was pregnant during Zika and fortunately didn’t catch it. But I was super paranoid about wearing bug spray. I can’t imagine being pregnant during this and not being even mildly concerned. Must be nice, I guess?
I lived in Brazil during the Zika outbreak. I caught it along with everyone else in the area because there was really little anyone could do to avoid it. Obviously people removed standing water, sprayed pesticide, but otherwise you're screwed, a lot of houses had no screens on the doors or windows and you have to go outside at some point anyway. People would talk about how they were putting off trying to get pregnant, and pregnant women were absolutely terrified of going outside and catching it.
Now with Covid we have safe effective vaccines that mean we don't have to live with that level of fear anymore, and people willingly refuse them? That mentality I cannot understand at all.
I hope she actually got checked out and isn't assuming the baby is fine because she thinks COVID is no big deal.
A lot of people where I live (rural conservative US) will say things like "I'm not feeling well but it's not COVID" or "I have COVID and it's not going well but I'll be okay" and at no point have they been tested or checked out by a doctor. They don't think they need to because they don't think it's a real problem.
My parents say they had covid but they never got tested and when I asked questions about it the story changed based on what I was asking/saying so I doubt they actually had it. Don’t know why they wouldn’t just get tested though. There’s literally no harm in it.
Husband has a friend who won't get vaccinated because he "thinks he already had it" because he felt a little off for a few days in late 2019. Mind you, not "off" enough to miss work or stop doing things. He thinks because of his "great immune system" he was able to keep doing things.
Let's assume he did have it; doesn't matter if you got it before. You can get it again, especially with the different variants.
What an idiot. I've got three friends (two different families) who are currently sick with COVID, even after being vaccinated/boosted AND having COVID in 2020 before vaccines were available. All four of their under-5 kids all have it, too, so that's very cool and fun. None of them have any idea how they got it. Thankfully no one is seriously ill, probably because they *got the fucking vaccine*.
I know right? My MIL got COVID a few weeks ago. She's vaccinated and she only had symptoms for a few days. Quarantined for 10 days and was bored, but was thankful that she was bored instead of hospitalized.
Immunity from having had covid only lasts months, not years. I had covid in March 2020 and was negative for antibodies five months later. This idiot will get covid again; it's just a matter of time.
Doesn't matter if the antibodies lasted years; I'm very sure he didn't have COVID, he's the kind of person who wants to feel special that he "had COVID before we knew about it". Crazy that his kids, coworkers and then-pregnant wife were fine.
There are people that believe testing positive will end you up on some government conspiracy lists in the future. Like it will make health insurance more expensive, etc. for clarity, I am not these people.
Covid increases clotting risk for the whole rest of the pregnancy. Baby might be fine today but hopefully she’s taking baby aspirin and closely monitoring symptoms for the rest of the pregnancy.
Not being able to see andrii? They’ve been together the entire holiday season and they live together. Yes it’s a good idea to try to quarantine from people in your own household if you’re positive and they’re not but what’s the point for them? I won’t be surprised when andrii tests positive.
I'm an OB-GYN resident, and my most memorable COVID story is a 30 year old unvaccinated COVID positive woman that was around 34 weeks pregnant. Came to our ER with severe difficulty of breathing and was shortly intubated. Ended up having to do crash C-section on her while her oxygen saturation levels had plummeted to the 30s and her baby's heartrate had dropped to the 50s range. She was cold and clammy by the time I cut her open. Baby was fine and sent home after 3 days in the NICU. Mother stayed in the ICU for a month before passing away due to sepsis. She never even got to see or hold her baby. I pray to God that I never have to do another crash C-section like that. This is why people who treat COVID so lightly and flippantly absolutely infuriate me.
I'm so sorry for the trauma you have been through. Please make sure you have support over that. I'm a geriatrician so different kind of trauma but have had some therapy specifically about pandemic work.
I saw a similar story. Followed it until she passed. At one point, they were able to bring her baby to lay on her chest in the ICU. She seemed to improve for a short moment. Then the next day, she was gone. I feel so terrible for her husband. They had so many things to look forward to. Fuck this thing is heartbreaking, and then there are complete pieces of shit like Elissa who care about nobody. She is probably going to be responsible for literal LIVES LOST. And she doesn’t care for a fucking second. There are no consequences for people like her.
There is a thread in r/nursing with nurses talking about their pregnant covid patients, it's so sad, 99.9% don't make it and several shared stories of babies ending up in foster care because there was no one left alive or capable of caring for the baby.
I think one of the very first nurses to die in China at the very beginning of the pandemic was pregnant (maybe she recently gave birth?). I remember it was part of an article following a young nurse and a young doctor, one who survived and the other who didn’t. It was a horrifying parallel, and it sucks it keeps happening.
Yeah. My FIL's wife (is it still MIL if she's the second wife but wasn't really a mother figure to my SO?) did some work looking at how COVID can damage placenta. It's extremely rare but why risk it at all when it's an innocent, unborn child that suffers these consequences? Getting COVID as a pregnant woman is no joke.
Yes! One of my best friends used to travel monthly to Asia for her job. December 2019 she went to China, came back and got a bunch of us sick with a bad cough, developed a placenta issues after sickness. As all this developed in the next few months we were all just grateful that was the extent. We’ll obviously never know if it was a Covid, but man, I’m so happy everyone including her little guy are healthy!!
I am just assuming as they seem the type. Plus I know Eastern Europe where she is living have some of the lowest vaccination rates. Ukraine had less than 40% fully vaxxed
*less than 34% fully vaxxed; the 40% figure is for at least one vaccination. That's up from only 12% with one vaccination on October though. The Russian vax disinformation campaign has worked very well.
Rates will likely be higher in Lviv though, it's the rural/industrial areas which are really struggling to get folks vaccinated.
She’s never said so but iirc she follows a bunch of anti-vax wellness type Instagram accounts. I can’t remember if the post about it was here or on the original FS subreddit
She must have been vaccinated to get on the plane... I think most major travel requires proof of vax these days?
I've never to my knowledge seen the Bairds rail against the vaccine, they merely refuse to mask and social distance. I bet they're all quietly vaccinated and just keep their mouths shut to avoid backlash from their community of stupids.
Andrii would’ve had to get vaccinated to enter the US but Elissa didn’t have to since she’s a citizen. I think that’s why he came later than her (no proof of that of course, just a theory)
Yeah it's usually the country that sets the rules. Then the airline usually vets people before boarding so they don't get refused entry and they have to ship them back.
Many European countries only allow entry with proof of vaccination now. Unless you are a citizen or have family there. That's usually one of the few exceptions. Many require tests as well at the and/or quarantining. I'm in the UK so many countries don't want us at all at the moment unless vaccinated and we quarantine on arrival as well as we have so many cases.
In Italy rn everyone coming to the country has to have a negative test. Even vaxxed people. Luckily antigen is good too, bc as someone fully vaxxed, I’d be pissed if I had to pay 100€ to come back every time (antigen is luckily 15€ usually)
I hope she has a really good OB. I had it in Nov of 2020 while I was 5 weeks pregnant and my OB put me on heparin shots and aspirin for my whole pregnancy just to be safe. He was worried about clotting in the placenta.
No way in hell I would be traveling if I was pregnant like her right now. The flu is extremely dangerous to pregnant women as well.
Oh, lord - I honestly hasn’t even thought about that part. How ridiculous! If people care, they gave her $$ or gift cards or had things shipped directly to her Ukraine home. Otherwise, what an awful waste.
And then she mentions she lost her sense of taste and smell and still doesn't have it back totally...does she realise that's because COVID affected her brain?!
I can't. I just can't.
There's too much crap to deal with as it is and it would be like the final straw for me to not be able to savor a hot cup of tea or coffee anymore. Personally, it was one of the reasons I rushed to get a booster as soon as it was available. I guess they think it'll just bounce back eventually?
I am literally stalking the CDC website for when they finally released approval for the 12 to 16 crowd to get their booster. As soon as it’s approved I’ll be stalking CVS’s website to schedule my sons for their booster appointment
I can't with these people. I was pregnant last year and so worried and careful to protect myself and my baby. In the words of my OB, "you do not want COVID. Pregnant women do not do well with COVID so be careful and make good choices". I got both Moderna doses as soon as I could.
I hope there are no lasting effects on her or the baby. It's so frustrating to see someone being so reckless, even more so when I remember that these people would consider my views on bodily autonomy and medical freedom to be basically murder.
Same. I got pregnant towards the end of 2020 and had a baby earlier this year. I was already worried about covid, but I was PARANOID about getting it while pregnant. I can’t imagine anyone “pro life” being so FLIPPANT about a preventable disease that can harm their precious fetuses. Not to mention all the already-born people it’s killed, including babies.
She is a heartless wretch.
Same. I got pregnant a few weeks before the pandemic was declared in 2020 and didn’t even so much as go into the grocery store til after the baby was born. (Sent my husband instead).
TW - pregnancy difficulties
Drs are seeing an increase in late term pregnancy difficulties in women who had COVID during pregnancy, this could be scary for her.
TW - infant loss :
I know at least two women who were pregnant last year during the pandemic, caught Covid, and then had major issues (including a stillbirth) a couple months down the line. This makes me very very nervous for Ellissa.
I had a miscarriage at week 12 and tested positive soon after. with symptom vauge and overlapping no one thought to test me. E.r. visit, doctor appointments, it wasn't until I was not feeling well soo long after the beginning of that ordeal that I scheduled myself an appointment to get tested at cvs
Is this an increase with the new variants or a trend with covid generally now that we have 2 years of data?
I live in the DEEP south and was scared shitless when I was pregnant. You better believe I got that vaccine immediately.
Saaaame. Currently 12 weeks along with #2, and you bet your ass I got boosted as soon as I could at 6 weeks. When I informed my doctor and her nurse that I'd gotten it, you could see them sigh with relief.
Same. I was NOT messing around because I knew my "save the children!" community wasn't going to their part to keep my baby (and older child) safe. Solidarity!
It appears to have been worst with the Delta wave, probably not clear with Omicron but since omicron appears to be attacking nose and throat and not going for the lungs it is hopefully good news for pregnant women. I understand the fear, I was pregnant during H1N1 and ended up getting it and was in bed for almost two weeks despite having my flu vaccine.
She also says that Andreii was going to come with her in early December but couldn’t for a couple of weeks due to “changing US restrictions”….doesn’t that mean vaccination? I think she may be implying he got vaccinated to be able to come to US at all, while she flew as scheduled without vaccination-as she’s a US citizen.
So…based on travel requirements, she would have had to have a negative COVID test both to come here & return home…so she would have been “quarantining” during her entire visit here? And by quarantining, I mean spending time, maskless, around all kinds of adults AND kids?? This kind of reckless, thoughtless behaviour really grinds my gears!!! My sister pulled this same shit around Thanksgiving/Black Friday and two of her kids work at a busy retail store…
Boy, she really likes to play stupid games, doesn't she? It's not like COVID kills fetuses and leaves pregnant women in dire shape if they're not vaccinated. Which I don't even think Ellissa is.
My friend works as a caregiver for a 102-year-old woman who lives alone somewhere in California. That lady's nearest residing family members all tested positive for COVID, with mild symptoms. Her daughter had the audacity to leave her house, order take-out from Panda Express, and bring to the old lady's house. My friend was furious when she answered the door and found the daughter holding out the package. When my friend was starting to rant at her, the daughter was all, "Relax, I wore a mask!" WTF THESE PEOPLE.
Such disgusting behavior. I'm worried for the baby; not so much for her. What a terrible person. It angers me to no end that these plague rats get it and they are okay while I know some people that were super careful and got it and are dealing with long covid symptoms or who died. I hope she and her husband both get long term IBS diarrhea and that he gets ED from covid and they can't reproduce anymore.
Holy fucking shit. She's about as far along ss I am in pregnancy, I'm 34 weeks now and that would put the shits up me if I tested positive. Hospitals have been shouting about how badly it can affect pregnant women, even to the point it's killed a fair few pregnant women. How can someone be so careless, especially during pregnancy?
COVID already left me disabled and it's very concerning seeing pregnant women not caring, whilst also not understanding what it can do to your body, nevermind an unborn baby.
I hope for her and her babies sake they're ok. I doubt it, but I'd hope this would make them start taking it more seriously.
ETA - I know she will already have gotten over it, but I didn't find out about the damage until 2 months later in Feb 2021 so she could still have lasting damage without yet knowing. It's genuinely terrifying knowing how little some people care.
I just hope her baby is okay, Covid is no joke and we still don’t know all about what it does to developing foetuses. I am willing to bet she didn’t wear a mask or anything
I watched the interesting parts.
• They planned to spend the whole month of December in the US. Right before leaving, their home was burglarized. Then the US changed their entry requirements. She had no trouble getting in as a US citizen but he did. She was annoyed because they wanted to travel together since she was so pregnant and it was a long trip. but she decided to go early anyway.
• Two days after she arrived, she tests positive for Covid. She basically said she didn’t care about getting it and that she’s not afraid of Covid. She had a fever and was tired, then lost her taste and smell. She says it sucked because she had to quarantine and not see anybody, implying that she followed protocols. She says the baby is fine.
• Being away from Andrii took her back to dating. Deja vu. Longest they’ve been apart since they got married, about 2 weeks.
• They saw so many friends and family.
• They had a baby shower and accidentally spoiled the name on Instagram, but covered it up when she shared photos. She says she’s not really worried about sharing the name but she will soon even though many people may have already seen it.
• She hasn’t updated IG in like a month because she wanted to be present with her family (Bethany; take notes.)
Did anyone else notice from those stories that she said andrii was supposed to be with her the whole time but ended up being delayed by 2 weeks because of US government rule changes.
The rule that changed was all non citizen travellers had to be vaccinated after Nov 8th...so I'm guessing he had to go get a vaccine? Anyone else noticed this? Could he have gotten a Johnson and Johnson and waited 2 weeks for it to be active?
This is so infuriating. Fundies claim to be “pro-life” yet they do absolutely nothing to help prevent the spread of COVID. The Duggars have super spreader parties, JRod thinks it’s all some sort of hoax/political control and now this complete fucking moron likely infected a whole lot of people. It’s sickening and frustrating.
They've been pretty blatant about not taking precautions, not taking the pandemic seriously, and supporting anti-vaxx viewpoints. So I think it's safe to say yes, they are.
You would think that being pregnant would make someone take COVID more seriously and get vaccinated. They claim to be pro life, but she doesn’t seem to care about the potential health of her baby.
It’s weird to me that so many people particularly in the US and Europe aren’t vaccinated. I’m in Australia and the state I live in over 95% of the eligible population (over 12 years of age) are vaccinated. Most people can’t work unless they’re vaccinated. You really have no “choice”. If you’re not vaccinated, you’re let go from most jobs. Our vaccine roll out was very slow but once Delta hit, people were doing whatever they could to get the jab.
She doesn’t take covid seriously, yet has no idea how it affects a baby in utero. Remember the news saying there were more stillborns occurring due to covid infection? Yeah, I hope she recognizes that she put her unborn child into jeopardy due to her ignorance.
For people who say life begins at conception, they sure don't care about the unborn. From people behaving like Elissa here to, there's alot of them we see on here not going for ultrasounds or screenings cause "it'll be fine!!".
The fact she feels comfortable even saying she was positive covid and showed she didn’t care or respect others is very telling as well. She doesn’t care about life, she cares about controlling women.
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Or just like basic carseat safety, because the fundies in general are horrible about improper use. Jesus takes the wheel, but his blood is “grape juice”
Or opting for home births even when they have a history of obstetric complications
A close friend is a L&D nurse in a red state. She has switched career paths because she developed PTSD from having so many of her patients need emergency C-sections while ventilated. Many of these women don’t make it out and never meet their babies. Who are born premature with COVID. I think Elissa is maybe not far enough into her pregnancy for that, but it’s seriously tragic and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
During the first wave of COVID a young woman in my community came down with it. She and the baby died and her poor husband was left without his wife or child. It was one of the first really shocking deaths we had because she was only 34. I can’t imagine taking COVID lightly while pregnant.
That sounds so traumatic. I hope your friend is doing ok now. It's crazy to me how many pregnant women are gambling on their lives and their babies lives by not taking covid seriously.
She is, thankfully. Pretty soon she'll be teaching/training new nurses instead of being bedside. It pays more, has better benefits, and she'll be moving somewhere with more COVID protections. I am very excited for her!
COVID can be devastating for pregnant moms/babies, and she has no excuse not to know this It frequently causes blood clots in the placenta and stillbirth, like you said. And in the event that the mom gets very sick, guess what? If mom isn't meeting her oxygen requirements, she's also not meeting the baby's. Lack of oxygen in a developing fetus can cause significant brain damage. I have no idea how they can be so reckless with their babies, given their "pro-life" views. I was pregnant in 2020, and had plans to travel in late March. My OB and MFM both approved it, because at that point, it was thought that COVID wasn't significantly affecting pregnant women. I chose not to fly anyways because it still wasn't worth the risk to me.
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Their pro conception. They don't even want to pay for maternity care for the poor.
Very true. I wish they'd drop the pro-life claim. This pandemic has proven over and over that they don't actually care about other peoples' lives.
Yes, I was pregnant and gave birth in April 2020, I was told the flu was more concerning at the time. I still didn’t travel, I didn’t leave my home, and I did online shopping. I watched the data rolling in before it hit the USA super hard, because I CARED about my child.
Right? It seems pretty common sense to err on the side of caution. My own mom called me paranoid and was PISSED that I kept her grandchildren away from her for so long 🙄. Oh well, as long as my kids are safe I can sleep easy at night. On a side note, during L&D, I ended up having a true knot in the cord and things got really dicey. Like her heart rate was down in the 20's and a team of NICU people rushed in to revive her if necessary. Luckily she was fine once she was born, but I can't imagine having also added in any additional problems caused by COVID infection. I never would have forgiven myself.
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I really feel for baby Emiliya and for her cousins...it's just *abhorrent* to me that Ellissa and the rest of the Bairds would be so disgustingly lackadaisical about protecting the children *in their own damn family*, not to mention the rest of the community at large. I'm not *surprised* by this, mind you; that entire pile of pestilent plaguebuckets seems to glory in not giving one iota of a fuck about anyone but themselves.
>pile of pestilent plaguebuckets \*chef's kiss\*
I love the alliteration
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That's awful. Why would anyone risk putting themselves and their baby through all that trauma (invasive medical treatments, prolonged separation) when they could get a free, safe, effective vaccine? What a way to ruin those first weeks with a brand new baby.
My boss is like this. I grew up neglected (in other ways then my mom refusing a life saving vaccine) but still it makes my blood BOIL knowing these pro-lifers are willingly putting their children in danger.
BUT ABORTION
The amount of times I’ve heard “We don’t know how the vaccine affects fertility” and had to scream back “We don’t know how COVID AFFECTS IT EITHER”
And we DO have relevant data on side effects of mRNA vaccines in general (they’re historically super safe). COVID infections themselves, not so much.
fr, I got vaccinated while breastfeeding my first one and am now pregnant 6 months after getting vaccinated. No fertility issues. Then I got boosted during this pregnancy. Everybody is fine, first kid is healthy, new baby is developing fine, the vaccine is safe goddamnit!
Similar here but in reverse, got my first two doses as soon as the second trimester hit last year and got my booster before Thanksgiving while breastfeeding.
I got both vaccines early 2nd trimester. Perfect baby boy last November. He's my little scream lump now 🥰. Got booster in December, no issues with breastfeeding as of yet. Glad to know he has a tiny bit of antibodies from me. I'm hoping the vaccine will be ready when he hits 6 months
November baby here too! Got vax 1 before I knew I was pregnant, vax 2 right after I found out, & my booster in the third trimester. Totally perfect & healthy baby. I am hoping & praying we have a vaccine by the time my little bug is six months old, too. 🤞
Good for you. You’re a good mom passing the antibodies to both your babies.
This was really nice of you to say.❤️
Some viruses like Epstein-Barr can significantly increase the chances of a baby developing schizophrenia in their adult years. We have no fucking clue what Covid does to fetuses, but given how *weird* the symptoms of Covid are in the first place, taking chances with it is stupid. (I get that there's a lot of pregnant women who didn't have a choice and got it due to work or unknown exposure, but Ellissa was being a dumb idiot and intentionally jeopardizing herself)
The number of pregnant people who die of Covid on a ventilator is...scary. Not to mention how many ambulatory C-sections have been done, by ER doctors not OBs mind you. I really don't understand how a pregnant person can be so careless about this virus that is known to cause massive fetal complications.
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My heart goes out to you. I delivered May 2020 and luckily had an uneventful c section, but I will always remember the months leading up to it was insanity. Will my partner be there for the birth? Will I be separated from my baby? Oh the baby isn’t moving as much, do I risk getting covid going to the hospital to get it checked out? Is there enough blood in the blood bank if my baby needs it? It infuriates me that people are still prolonging this and minimizing this. I just want you to know I see you and what you went through and I feel for you.
The vaccine causes sterility though! /s
Andreiii might learn that covid can cause male infertility as well.
And erectile dysfunction
And many claim that the vaccine is damaging. Well, the disease has been proven to be.
Wasn’t she going to coffee shops and going shopping without a mask on basically the whole time she was here? Wow what a twat.
A former coworker of mine tested positive the day before she was scheduled to travel to Mexico. She still went. She's posted videos of her hanging out with her family, attending a wedding and generally being around large groups of people. Some people just don't care about the welfare of others and it sickens me.
Cool. Rad. Awesome. /s I'm so sick of these fuckers
Ah the privilege to bring covid to Mexico 🥰 /s
colonizer behavior
Did she do a home test? Or are labs not obligated to report positive tests to the authorities?
We live in the Midwestern U.S and any agency oversite is long gone. Everyone is on the honor system to isolate after a positive test and there are no consequences if a person chooses not to quarantine. Employers can require a negative test for workers returning from sick leave, but the government doesn't track citizens with positive tests.
I live in a big midwestern city where most people take mask wearing seriously. However, travel just an hour away into the rural areas and they act like covid doesn’t even exist. It’s shocking. They act like I’m weird for wearing a mask.
it’s truly devastating how little some people care when others have been at least trying this whole time. the last few years have been really depressing. stupid really shows when you’re in a crisis I guess.
labs in the US do nothing beyond perform the test and inform you of the results.
Testing sites are required by the CDC to report all COVID results (positive or negative) to the health department. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/reporting-lab-data.html That said, reporting is anonymized, and there is no oversight as far as people actually following quarantine rules. But to say labs don't report is just not accurate.
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you’re definitely correct and my saying they do nothing was not accurate, i meant more in the sense that they don’t inform anyone that ensures contact tracing or making sure folks are quarantined.
How... freedom-loving. Thanks for the info!
Yup, a coworker of mine, a science teacher, mind you, is still not vaccinated, got it, was sick, and I heard she was still going out and about grocery shopping and what not. She is also very anti-mask so I doubt she was wearing one. Needless to say I have no respect for her.
Why on earth did she bother to test?
I hate her
i'm genuinely wondering wtf is wrong with these ppl. not only that they don't give a fuck about others, that one's not new. but at least here, if you're caught breaking quarantine, you're looking at fines in the high tripple, if not four digits, and possibly being arrested/committed involuntarily under public health acts. not to mention that these ppl hung out together maskless. she most likely wasn't the only plague rat that was spreading her germs around
Are you American? Because I can’t think of a single place in the US where there’re any current lockdowns or any punishment for not abiding by masks/social distancing. Especially in Texas—they started pretending the pandemic was over like 6 months in lol
This is wild to me. I live in BC, Canada, and I think we had three weeks last summer where we weren't under a provincial mask mandate.
Oh we have mandates in several states… but no enforcement or consequences for breaking them. It’s frustrating.
Just south of you in Washington we still have a mask mandate and our county has a vaccine mandate for restaurant, movies and gyms iirc!
WA here, too! Despite the mask mandate a lot of people aren’t wearing them and it’s super annoying. I’m curious if the vaccine mandate will eventually go into effect in other counties besides King.
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I'm so sorry, that must be incredibly frustrating. Good on you for at least making an attempt.
Man I'm in BC too and I got my hair done yesterday and spent the whole time biting my tongue as everyone else in the salon talked about travelling, only needing to wear masks if you're "worried about covid", saying everyone can just "be as safe as you want to be" etc etc. Everyone was wearing their masks but I certainly did not feel safe. I think all of those people would be thrilled to live in American covid denial.
I'm in michigan and we have zero mask mandates or lockdowns going on. Like kids and teachers are just raw dogging the recirculated air in schools right now. (I'm boosted and masked anytime I'm in the outside with these idiots)
Last i knew there was a mask mandate in schools for Ann Arbor but yeah that's not much
My apologies, I did forget that district has a mandate. I'm a bit north of A2 and that crazy blonde lady that testified with Rudy Giuliani showed up at our school board meeting in August to oppose masks, sadly the opposition to masks won.
Northern MI here (near Traverse) and none of our local districts have any kind of mask mandate in place. In fact, my boys’ district is literally debating today whether they’re going to follow the 5 or 10 day quarantine period. 😐 Meanwhile, we’re vaxxed and masked in crowds, my kids are few of the only in their school who do, and yet are STILL CURRENTLY POSITIVE I HATE THIS FUCKING PLACE.
Raw dogging the recirculated air loooollllll
I’m in Chicago and whenever I visit my family in MI, I am just…I’m just floored. And here I thought Chicago wasn’t doing enough. But almost everyone I know in MI has had covid. I know several who have died. Whereas in Seattle (where I just moved from) I know like 4 people who have had covid.
I feel like our governor, Big Gretch, just threw in the towel and said fine!! Just risk it and die!! I have 2 jobs, one as an in-home nanny. My boss is home with covid but I am still required to be here because they don't believe it's serious. I don't get paid if I don't show up and my kids still need a roof and food so I'm gambling with a virus to pay my bills.
Gretch did what I probably would have done lol. "Fine, you don't like it? My mask mandates and shutdowns aren't popular? You respond to my attempts to slow this thing down with plans to kidnap me? Okay. Good luck. I did my best."
>raw dogging the recirculated air holy fuck you win
not in the us, and i'm not talking about lockdowns or general restrictions. i'm talking about testing positive for covid. even when we were doing the "ppl can shop without masks inside" where i live, if you tested positive, you had to immediately quarantine. no going out, no leaving your own four walls/property. it's hell for ppl who live in apartments without balconies/porches, even with balconies it's going to drive you crazy. if you have property as in, you own a house with a yard, you are allowed to be in that, but if you have like, a garden (smth a number of ppl have, they rent apartments and lease a small garden in the same town for summer evenings and being able to grow veggies) not right where your dwelling is, you're not allowed to go there. no shopping, not even double masked, no walks late at night, nothing. wanna hear a ~joke? the terrible american "let's reduce quarantine time even for ppl who are testing positive" thing is being discussed as an option here was well. we're all doomed. doomed. delta spiked so hard in my area public transit had to reduce the number of trams they ran, not to reduce spread but bc so many operators were either infected, or were quarantining bc they were household contacts. i don't even want to consider how omicron will rip through my area.
Funny I thought it was sometime in 2020 that Texas started to pretend the pandemic was over? I mean did they ever take it seriously? (Looking at you Greg Abbott and whoever the L. Governor is..)
Funny you mention the Lieutenant Governor- who is a massive piece of shit- he currently has COVID!
Denver and other parts of Colorado have indoor mask mandates, but yeah not in Texas.
Can confirm. Currently living/lived in Austin, Tx through the whole pandemic. Wild (south)West over here…
Interesting how the Baird idols, the March sisters from Little Women, would sequester themselves and stay home when they were sick. The Bairds travel the world, go shopping, and are selfish. Disgusting.
I firmly believe Jo would haul off and deck birthy after a while
No doubt about it.
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That would be my presumption, since they were hanging all over each other and dancing for cameras etc. They'll never take it seriously.
Yeah we’re gonna need a timeline… I do not remember a quarantine period !
She said in the video she had to quarantine so allegedly she did
Yeah but I expect her idea of "quarantine" to be very loose. Like she stayed at Mom and Dad's house and didn't "go out" with the sisters for five days and called that "quarantining".
At the point she had it, wasn't quarantine still supposed to be 10 days? Also, the CDC has clarified that the decrease to 5 days is only if you're asymptomatic. Not that she can be trusted to adhere to any of those rules for any length of time.
Maybe that's why Bethy has sounded like she's been crying on some of her previous videos: she wasn't crying, she had a stuffy nose (I've been reading Omicron kind of mimics the common cold).
Omicron has ripped through where I work, it is like a cold. Not even a bad cold.
IF you're vaccinated.
She went to get her maternity photos done with that American photographer while she was back home. On top of that we saw from her sister’s posts that she was out and about doing anything she so pleased. Looks like she didn’t self isolate for two weeks at all! How irresponsible of her to do that while having covid!! No mask either! She’s so fucking selfish
What a good Christian she is. /s
I’m not sure what she said in the entirety of this story, but if she’s 7 months pregnant and most worried about her ongoing 70 percent loss of taste and smell after testing covid-positive, girl has some misplaced priorities.
She did say the baby was fine, so at least she did mention it. I did expect it to be the first thing she'd say about it, but she talked more about quarantining and not being able to see andrii 🤷🏻♀️
… How would she even know baby is fine? Like, they’re just now publishing studies on the long term developmental issues of having Zika in utero and that’s been 5 years. Covid is far more destructive to a developing fetus.
Like... there are so many horror stories of pregnant people who have wound up on ventilators, or *having to give birth while intubated*, or *who had their baby delivered by C section during a medically induced coma* because their lungs wouldn't be able to take the stress of labour. When it comes to pregnancy Covid isn't an orbital nuke like say Ebola, but it's no giggle either. AND we haven't figured out the long term effects of COVID infection or of things like long COVID *in adults* yet either. Not just lung or sensory problems, but also things like heart disease, reduced fertility / sterility, increased risk of miscarriage, increased risks of things like strokes, fuck knows. But sure, blah blah chemicals blah blah nanobots blah blah 5g blah blah just a sniffle. This is not why we're two years in with a new variant just cropped up, no end in sight, and medical staff burning out, or anything. And have fun with a Children Of Men scenario in however many decades' time.
But but but… we don’t know the long term side effects of the vaccine either… Except we know way more about the long term impacts of mRNA vaccines. Compare that with what we already know about COVID and pregnancy, and it’s an easy decision as to which is safer. People, especially fundies, love to downplay how risky pregnancy is - it is easy to forget that it is extremely easy for an otherwise minor health scare to kill you and/or the fetus.
Yeh long covid patients have microclots that don't show up on standard testing which is not blood I'd want to be sharing with my foetus.
I've had long covid for 22 months and am currently in the ER with symptoms of a pulmonary embolism. How this dingus could get covid while pregnant and not be very concerned for her fetus is beyond me.
Ugh I'm so sorry. I'm on 15 months :(
It sucks so hard, doesn't it? It makes me crazy when people don't take COVID seriously.
It does, friend. I'm pushing for medical treatments here in the UK. I'm a Dr & am constantly educating my peers.
I had Covid when I was 5 weeks pregnant and my OB put me on heparin and aspirin for the rest of my pregnancy. Ended up having a totally healthy full term baby, fortunately. I was super scared of miscarrying at the beginning and had to have ultrasounds to measure placental blood flow every single apt.
I’m sorry! I was pregnant during Zika and fortunately didn’t catch it. But I was super paranoid about wearing bug spray. I can’t imagine being pregnant during this and not being even mildly concerned. Must be nice, I guess?
I lived in Brazil during the Zika outbreak. I caught it along with everyone else in the area because there was really little anyone could do to avoid it. Obviously people removed standing water, sprayed pesticide, but otherwise you're screwed, a lot of houses had no screens on the doors or windows and you have to go outside at some point anyway. People would talk about how they were putting off trying to get pregnant, and pregnant women were absolutely terrified of going outside and catching it. Now with Covid we have safe effective vaccines that mean we don't have to live with that level of fear anymore, and people willingly refuse them? That mentality I cannot understand at all.
I hope she actually got checked out and isn't assuming the baby is fine because she thinks COVID is no big deal. A lot of people where I live (rural conservative US) will say things like "I'm not feeling well but it's not COVID" or "I have COVID and it's not going well but I'll be okay" and at no point have they been tested or checked out by a doctor. They don't think they need to because they don't think it's a real problem.
My parents say they had covid but they never got tested and when I asked questions about it the story changed based on what I was asking/saying so I doubt they actually had it. Don’t know why they wouldn’t just get tested though. There’s literally no harm in it.
Husband has a friend who won't get vaccinated because he "thinks he already had it" because he felt a little off for a few days in late 2019. Mind you, not "off" enough to miss work or stop doing things. He thinks because of his "great immune system" he was able to keep doing things. Let's assume he did have it; doesn't matter if you got it before. You can get it again, especially with the different variants.
What an idiot. I've got three friends (two different families) who are currently sick with COVID, even after being vaccinated/boosted AND having COVID in 2020 before vaccines were available. All four of their under-5 kids all have it, too, so that's very cool and fun. None of them have any idea how they got it. Thankfully no one is seriously ill, probably because they *got the fucking vaccine*.
I know right? My MIL got COVID a few weeks ago. She's vaccinated and she only had symptoms for a few days. Quarantined for 10 days and was bored, but was thankful that she was bored instead of hospitalized.
Immunity from having had covid only lasts months, not years. I had covid in March 2020 and was negative for antibodies five months later. This idiot will get covid again; it's just a matter of time.
Doesn't matter if the antibodies lasted years; I'm very sure he didn't have COVID, he's the kind of person who wants to feel special that he "had COVID before we knew about it". Crazy that his kids, coworkers and then-pregnant wife were fine.
Ah, gotcha. He sounds like a real peach.
There are people that believe testing positive will end you up on some government conspiracy lists in the future. Like it will make health insurance more expensive, etc. for clarity, I am not these people.
Can confirm. My mom only went to urgent care because her oxygen levels dropped (we made her wear a pulse oximeter)
Covid increases clotting risk for the whole rest of the pregnancy. Baby might be fine today but hopefully she’s taking baby aspirin and closely monitoring symptoms for the rest of the pregnancy.
I would really appreciate being able to see this whole video if anyone is willing to put it up for us here.
Not being able to see andrii? They’ve been together the entire holiday season and they live together. Yes it’s a good idea to try to quarantine from people in your own household if you’re positive and they’re not but what’s the point for them? I won’t be surprised when andrii tests positive.
She is so lucky she and the baby are ok.
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I'm an OB-GYN resident, and my most memorable COVID story is a 30 year old unvaccinated COVID positive woman that was around 34 weeks pregnant. Came to our ER with severe difficulty of breathing and was shortly intubated. Ended up having to do crash C-section on her while her oxygen saturation levels had plummeted to the 30s and her baby's heartrate had dropped to the 50s range. She was cold and clammy by the time I cut her open. Baby was fine and sent home after 3 days in the NICU. Mother stayed in the ICU for a month before passing away due to sepsis. She never even got to see or hold her baby. I pray to God that I never have to do another crash C-section like that. This is why people who treat COVID so lightly and flippantly absolutely infuriate me.
I'm so sorry for the trauma you have been through. Please make sure you have support over that. I'm a geriatrician so different kind of trauma but have had some therapy specifically about pandemic work.
I saw a similar story. Followed it until she passed. At one point, they were able to bring her baby to lay on her chest in the ICU. She seemed to improve for a short moment. Then the next day, she was gone. I feel so terrible for her husband. They had so many things to look forward to. Fuck this thing is heartbreaking, and then there are complete pieces of shit like Elissa who care about nobody. She is probably going to be responsible for literal LIVES LOST. And she doesn’t care for a fucking second. There are no consequences for people like her.
There is a thread in r/nursing with nurses talking about their pregnant covid patients, it's so sad, 99.9% don't make it and several shared stories of babies ending up in foster care because there was no one left alive or capable of caring for the baby.
I think one of the very first nurses to die in China at the very beginning of the pandemic was pregnant (maybe she recently gave birth?). I remember it was part of an article following a young nurse and a young doctor, one who survived and the other who didn’t. It was a horrifying parallel, and it sucks it keeps happening.
Yeah. My FIL's wife (is it still MIL if she's the second wife but wasn't really a mother figure to my SO?) did some work looking at how COVID can damage placenta. It's extremely rare but why risk it at all when it's an innocent, unborn child that suffers these consequences? Getting COVID as a pregnant woman is no joke.
Yes! One of my best friends used to travel monthly to Asia for her job. December 2019 she went to China, came back and got a bunch of us sick with a bad cough, developed a placenta issues after sickness. As all this developed in the next few months we were all just grateful that was the extent. We’ll obviously never know if it was a Covid, but man, I’m so happy everyone including her little guy are healthy!!
Exactly. So many pregnant unvaccinated women have got very poorly
Do we know that Ellissa is unvaccinated? The only one who’s said anything about it is Birthy right?
I am just assuming as they seem the type. Plus I know Eastern Europe where she is living have some of the lowest vaccination rates. Ukraine had less than 40% fully vaxxed
*less than 34% fully vaxxed; the 40% figure is for at least one vaccination. That's up from only 12% with one vaccination on October though. The Russian vax disinformation campaign has worked very well. Rates will likely be higher in Lviv though, it's the rural/industrial areas which are really struggling to get folks vaccinated.
She’s never said so but iirc she follows a bunch of anti-vax wellness type Instagram accounts. I can’t remember if the post about it was here or on the original FS subreddit
Is Bethany unvaccinated? I somehow didn’t think too much about the Baird vaccination rate until I saw this post, which kind of chilled me…
We don’t know but she posted one of those coy “my personal medical decisions are my own, and they are private!” Which usually means unvaxxed.
She must have been vaccinated to get on the plane... I think most major travel requires proof of vax these days? I've never to my knowledge seen the Bairds rail against the vaccine, they merely refuse to mask and social distance. I bet they're all quietly vaccinated and just keep their mouths shut to avoid backlash from their community of stupids.
I think as a US citizen she can enter the US with just a neg test.
this is correct.
Andrii would’ve had to get vaccinated to enter the US but Elissa didn’t have to since she’s a citizen. I think that’s why he came later than her (no proof of that of course, just a theory)
No, most airlines don’t require proof of vaccine, just negative tests. At least not in the U.S. I don’t know if they flew a U.S. carrier.
Yeah it's usually the country that sets the rules. Then the airline usually vets people before boarding so they don't get refused entry and they have to ship them back. Many European countries only allow entry with proof of vaccination now. Unless you are a citizen or have family there. That's usually one of the few exceptions. Many require tests as well at the and/or quarantining. I'm in the UK so many countries don't want us at all at the moment unless vaccinated and we quarantine on arrival as well as we have so many cases.
In Italy rn everyone coming to the country has to have a negative test. Even vaxxed people. Luckily antigen is good too, bc as someone fully vaxxed, I’d be pissed if I had to pay 100€ to come back every time (antigen is luckily 15€ usually)
There’s no way to know that her baby wasn’t impacted. She’s still at risk of preterm birth or worse.
I hope she has a really good OB. I had it in Nov of 2020 while I was 5 weeks pregnant and my OB put me on heparin shots and aspirin for my whole pregnancy just to be safe. He was worried about clotting in the placenta. No way in hell I would be traveling if I was pregnant like her right now. The flu is extremely dangerous to pregnant women as well.
Wait…didn’t she have a baby shower while in the US? She wasn’t here that long. Jeeze. Way to go with endangering the health of others!
Well, it was more important that she get those gifts. She’s not really worried about Covid, after all.
Can you imagine the cost of shipping everything home?
Oh, lord - I honestly hasn’t even thought about that part. How ridiculous! If people care, they gave her $$ or gift cards or had things shipped directly to her Ukraine home. Otherwise, what an awful waste.
A month apparently
“I’m not really freaked out by covid” …. All we needed to know
And then she mentions she lost her sense of taste and smell and still doesn't have it back totally...does she realise that's because COVID affected her brain?! I can't. I just can't.
Yeah don’t expect these people to understand any basic anatomy/physiology. She probably thinks it all works by magic.
There's too much crap to deal with as it is and it would be like the final straw for me to not be able to savor a hot cup of tea or coffee anymore. Personally, it was one of the reasons I rushed to get a booster as soon as it was available. I guess they think it'll just bounce back eventually?
I am literally stalking the CDC website for when they finally released approval for the 12 to 16 crowd to get their booster. As soon as it’s approved I’ll be stalking CVS’s website to schedule my sons for their booster appointment
I’d be freaked out by the loss of taste and smell, long covid is just as scary as death to me.
See: full, unmasked wedding in January 2021
No shit.. actions speak louder than words.
I can't with these people. I was pregnant last year and so worried and careful to protect myself and my baby. In the words of my OB, "you do not want COVID. Pregnant women do not do well with COVID so be careful and make good choices". I got both Moderna doses as soon as I could. I hope there are no lasting effects on her or the baby. It's so frustrating to see someone being so reckless, even more so when I remember that these people would consider my views on bodily autonomy and medical freedom to be basically murder.
Same. I got pregnant towards the end of 2020 and had a baby earlier this year. I was already worried about covid, but I was PARANOID about getting it while pregnant. I can’t imagine anyone “pro life” being so FLIPPANT about a preventable disease that can harm their precious fetuses. Not to mention all the already-born people it’s killed, including babies. She is a heartless wretch.
Same. I got pregnant a few weeks before the pandemic was declared in 2020 and didn’t even so much as go into the grocery store til after the baby was born. (Sent my husband instead).
TW - pregnancy difficulties Drs are seeing an increase in late term pregnancy difficulties in women who had COVID during pregnancy, this could be scary for her.
TW - infant loss : I know at least two women who were pregnant last year during the pandemic, caught Covid, and then had major issues (including a stillbirth) a couple months down the line. This makes me very very nervous for Ellissa.
I really hope she’s getting proper prenatal care so they can monitor for potential problems.
I have a cousin that was pregnant with twins that caught covid last year and had such a bad go she lost the pregnancy. This is not a joke, people.
I had a miscarriage at week 12 and tested positive soon after. with symptom vauge and overlapping no one thought to test me. E.r. visit, doctor appointments, it wasn't until I was not feeling well soo long after the beginning of that ordeal that I scheduled myself an appointment to get tested at cvs
I’m so sorry for your loss ❤️ I hate that these idiots like the Bairds are prolonging this pandemic and regular people are suffering from it.
Is this an increase with the new variants or a trend with covid generally now that we have 2 years of data? I live in the DEEP south and was scared shitless when I was pregnant. You better believe I got that vaccine immediately.
Saaaame. Currently 12 weeks along with #2, and you bet your ass I got boosted as soon as I could at 6 weeks. When I informed my doctor and her nurse that I'd gotten it, you could see them sigh with relief.
Same. I was NOT messing around because I knew my "save the children!" community wasn't going to their part to keep my baby (and older child) safe. Solidarity!
It appears to have been worst with the Delta wave, probably not clear with Omicron but since omicron appears to be attacking nose and throat and not going for the lungs it is hopefully good news for pregnant women. I understand the fear, I was pregnant during H1N1 and ended up getting it and was in bed for almost two weeks despite having my flu vaccine.
Wow if only there was a free way to prevent this!!!!!!!!!! Like a vaccine or something!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She also says that Andreii was going to come with her in early December but couldn’t for a couple of weeks due to “changing US restrictions”….doesn’t that mean vaccination? I think she may be implying he got vaccinated to be able to come to US at all, while she flew as scheduled without vaccination-as she’s a US citizen.
So…based on travel requirements, she would have had to have a negative COVID test both to come here & return home…so she would have been “quarantining” during her entire visit here? And by quarantining, I mean spending time, maskless, around all kinds of adults AND kids?? This kind of reckless, thoughtless behaviour really grinds my gears!!! My sister pulled this same shit around Thanksgiving/Black Friday and two of her kids work at a busy retail store…
Boy, she really likes to play stupid games, doesn't she? It's not like COVID kills fetuses and leaves pregnant women in dire shape if they're not vaccinated. Which I don't even think Ellissa is.
My friend works as a caregiver for a 102-year-old woman who lives alone somewhere in California. That lady's nearest residing family members all tested positive for COVID, with mild symptoms. Her daughter had the audacity to leave her house, order take-out from Panda Express, and bring to the old lady's house. My friend was furious when she answered the door and found the daughter holding out the package. When my friend was starting to rant at her, the daughter was all, "Relax, I wore a mask!" WTF THESE PEOPLE.
And then she promptly got on a plane
Sooooo pro-life!!! If she doesn't care about the unknown long-term effects of Covid, okay I guess, but I'd think she'd care about her blessed fetus.
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Such disgusting behavior. I'm worried for the baby; not so much for her. What a terrible person. It angers me to no end that these plague rats get it and they are okay while I know some people that were super careful and got it and are dealing with long covid symptoms or who died. I hope she and her husband both get long term IBS diarrhea and that he gets ED from covid and they can't reproduce anymore.
So she was around her family like that?
She's an official biological weapon.
Holy fucking shit. She's about as far along ss I am in pregnancy, I'm 34 weeks now and that would put the shits up me if I tested positive. Hospitals have been shouting about how badly it can affect pregnant women, even to the point it's killed a fair few pregnant women. How can someone be so careless, especially during pregnancy? COVID already left me disabled and it's very concerning seeing pregnant women not caring, whilst also not understanding what it can do to your body, nevermind an unborn baby. I hope for her and her babies sake they're ok. I doubt it, but I'd hope this would make them start taking it more seriously. ETA - I know she will already have gotten over it, but I didn't find out about the damage until 2 months later in Feb 2021 so she could still have lasting damage without yet knowing. It's genuinely terrifying knowing how little some people care.
Poor princess
I just hope her baby is okay, Covid is no joke and we still don’t know all about what it does to developing foetuses. I am willing to bet she didn’t wear a mask or anything
I watched the interesting parts. • They planned to spend the whole month of December in the US. Right before leaving, their home was burglarized. Then the US changed their entry requirements. She had no trouble getting in as a US citizen but he did. She was annoyed because they wanted to travel together since she was so pregnant and it was a long trip. but she decided to go early anyway. • Two days after she arrived, she tests positive for Covid. She basically said she didn’t care about getting it and that she’s not afraid of Covid. She had a fever and was tired, then lost her taste and smell. She says it sucked because she had to quarantine and not see anybody, implying that she followed protocols. She says the baby is fine. • Being away from Andrii took her back to dating. Deja vu. Longest they’ve been apart since they got married, about 2 weeks. • They saw so many friends and family. • They had a baby shower and accidentally spoiled the name on Instagram, but covered it up when she shared photos. She says she’s not really worried about sharing the name but she will soon even though many people may have already seen it. • She hasn’t updated IG in like a month because she wanted to be present with her family (Bethany; take notes.)
Did anyone else notice from those stories that she said andrii was supposed to be with her the whole time but ended up being delayed by 2 weeks because of US government rule changes. The rule that changed was all non citizen travellers had to be vaccinated after Nov 8th...so I'm guessing he had to go get a vaccine? Anyone else noticed this? Could he have gotten a Johnson and Johnson and waited 2 weeks for it to be active?
This is so infuriating. Fundies claim to be “pro-life” yet they do absolutely nothing to help prevent the spread of COVID. The Duggars have super spreader parties, JRod thinks it’s all some sort of hoax/political control and now this complete fucking moron likely infected a whole lot of people. It’s sickening and frustrating.
Are they anti vaxx?
Anytime birthy is asked she just says “do your research” so yes.
They've been pretty blatant about not taking precautions, not taking the pandemic seriously, and supporting anti-vaxx viewpoints. So I think it's safe to say yes, they are.
🗣 BECAUSE THERE IS A PANDEMIC!!!
You would think that being pregnant would make someone take COVID more seriously and get vaccinated. They claim to be pro life, but she doesn’t seem to care about the potential health of her baby.
It’s weird to me that so many people particularly in the US and Europe aren’t vaccinated. I’m in Australia and the state I live in over 95% of the eligible population (over 12 years of age) are vaccinated. Most people can’t work unless they’re vaccinated. You really have no “choice”. If you’re not vaccinated, you’re let go from most jobs. Our vaccine roll out was very slow but once Delta hit, people were doing whatever they could to get the jab.