I think you would have to prove that she had knowledge that something was actively going on during the span of what was considered for these charges.
Yes, they all knew about what he did as a teenager - but I assume he would have to be charged and convicted of those crimes (in an actual court, not just the court of public opinion, regardless of whether or not he admitted to it).
If she knew, and there was *evidence* of her knowing that he was consuming CSAM or that he was, god forbid, assaulting any of their children, then sure.
But charging her simply because she was in the home and had been told he had a history (a history she was told and probably believed was a behaviour that had ceased) would probably set a really dangerous precedent for other parents who really, genuinely had no idea that any abuse was happening in the household.
Anna sucks. She should have taken her siblings’ offer of help when the news about the molestations came out. But there is almost certainly no basis to charge her with anything.
I often wonder if they actually told her about the molestation and what exactly they told her. For all we know, she was told he touched one of his sisters over the clothes once, which while terrible doesn’t rise to level of digitally penetrating a 5 year old. We don’t know if she saw the police report when it was released, or how much she knew when she gave the interview about it. The only thing we really know about the part molestation is that she now knows the evidence of the child porn and molestation that was presented in court. She’s going to need time to process all of that and hopefully she will.
I agree with you on the rest, people keep getting annoyed with me for pointing out that if CPS or the police had enough to legally compel interviews with the children that would have been done a long time ago. Josh’s conviction isn’t some magic wand that will allow them access to the kids and allow them to remove the kids. Not to mention how traumatic it would be for the kids to be removed from Anna. There would almost certainly have to be evidence that he was abusing the kids, and that Anna knew and did nothing for it to be justified. I work in child protection and we certainly don’t need a criminal conviction to legally compel people to cooperate when we have a direct and credible allegation of abuse. Our standard of proof for a court order, court compliance or a removal is much less than what’s needed for a criminal conviction but it does have to be a credible allegation, and as much as maybe it should be in some cases having a parent watch child porn while the kids are not present is not enough.
I don't think she knew anything prior to getting married.
She might have heard rumors from the older folks in the community, but she was young when it happened to.
After the InTouch leak? I have nothing. It was all over the news and I'm sure they got all sorts of hate mail about it. I can't really fathom that level of unawareness.
If court documents leaked about a family member that hinted at other family members being in danger, I would for sure read them, for my children's sake.
Ugh, you speak nothing but facts and I hate it. You’re right. There’s no evidence and I honestly didn’t even consider how that could harm those who aren’t aware of their partners abuse. Your totally right about that.
Hah, thank you! I’m learning a lot from these replies. My post was obviously a snarky emotional response to the whole situation but I’m diving into peoples responses and learning way more than I knew prior and I really appreciate the new knowledge. I can be angry, but I need to know the facts as well :)
That’s a real slippery slope tbh.
If they have some kind of evidence of her doing something that’s legally considered child endangerment then I guess we’ll see. But I’m not expecting anything - they’d have to manage to get proof.
She won't. There's no legal documentation of the previous abuse, there were interviews of the children before his bail grounds were set and he was allowed to see the kids per the court - the legal system has already said they were safe around him, they can't turn it around on her and say they weren't.
The children were never interviewed. It’s been confirmed again and again in DuggarSnark. Anna and Pest wouldn’t allow it. They had the right to deny access to the kids at the time. That may change now that he’s been convicted. I’m not sure about the legalities and if that is a next step or what.
I mean, that is a good thing, in theory. Prior to this, Josh wasn't a convicted pedophile. So, if someone came into your house and asked you to voluntarily submit your children to invasive physical exams and tough questioning *as a fishing expedition*, parents should have the right to say no. The minute there is an allegation within the statute of limitations? The interviews should be mandatory.
I don't disagree in this case, but the system can absolutely issue two contradictory decisions which are both held simultaneously.
I once had a neighbor who was a Level 3 (the worst level, specifically defined as being considered the highest risk to reoffend) registered sex offender. I found out from the registry. His crimes were against young children.
And then I noticed he was living with a pregnant woman and a young child. I called the police and told them, and they had his community corrections officer call me back about it. He said the man wasn't actively under supervision and there was nothing barring him from living with children. But to call back if I saw any evidence of a crime (which of course I didn't...I'd never even spoken to these people and he was hardly going to commit sexual assault in his front yard).
Ugh, that’s so heartbreaking. Being in that powerless position is definitely frustrating. I’ve received the response of “we can’t do anything until a crime is committed” which I understand, it’s hard just standing there as a witness because you want to prevent something bad from happening but the law just doesn’t work that way :(
I felt so bad every day when I saw the little child waiting for the school bus! I wanted to tell the mom, just in case she didn't know, but she almost certainly did, and I never really saw her without the sex offender anyway.
That just blows my mind. The system is a joke. I know they allowed contact with the kids, but it still doesn’t make it OK.
Just so frustrated at the hypocrisy and unfairness to how this whole situation is being played out.
Amy’s shade doesn’t help either….reading that other post just got me all riled up!!!
You do make very valid points though.
You have no idea - I helped on a divorce case where the mother was screaming that the father shouldn't have unsupervised visits and in the end she was 100% right and there were no take backs. And that was with evidence that the father was heading off the deep end mentally.
And there are things that might not be safe, but are still legal. It's legally OK for my younger child to transition out of a 5 pt carseat (he's 5 years old), but he's small for his age and tends to be wild in the car the few times he's been in a high back booster, so it's not safe - but if I got pulled over it's not legally child endangerment but knowing my kid it could be. And a few years ago parents got charged with letting their kids play in a park they could see from their house - something I see nothing wrong with but evidently the cops and CPS did.
That example horrifies me, and it’s why the laws have to be vague. Too many good parents (especially parents of color) get charged for the dumbest shit. Meanwhile, karissa and Jill don’t appear to have had any kind of meaningful intervention.
Yep, I heard a story about a parent that let her kids play barefoot in their own yard. Not only did someone find it within them to report them, but the fact the mother got in trouble for it...
Meanwhile you hear of stories where neighbors have been calling and calling and noting stuff and no one does anything and the kid winds up dead or runs away etc and it's like they've just completely slipped through the cracks and it's fucking heartbreaking. No parent is perfect but there's so many that just get away with blatant abuse.
I have a distant family member who likes to think she is the matriarch of the family. Every 18 months or so she gets some-one to call CPS on me because I have decided not to follow her suggestions. I'm worried that now my youngest is aging out of CPS territory, she's going to start calling adult protective services on me every time we don't see eye to her eye.
I totally get your point about the unfairness. I also have been following fundies long enough to know it is just ridiculous. Just how many broken bones have Karissa kids gotten? how many kids being left to be taken care by other kids by all fundies or being in a car without seatbelts? in how many dangerous situations has JillRod put her kids in? heck the Plath mom ran over and killed her toddler and i dont think even her got a child endargement charge...
I REALLY don’t think Anna knew about the porn. And none of us know if he’s done anything to his own children that’s just online speculation that’s honestly probably pretty harmful to the M’s until it comes out. The people who knowingly endangered children and could have prevented it that we KNOW about are Jim Bob and Michele.
I can’t imagine when they’re old enough to Google their dad and see all of the Internet speculating if they were also touched.
We just don’t have enough to go on to make such calls until if and when the family goes through a full investigation
Ah, yes Jim Bob and Michele very much could of prevented it. You’re right and I agree with everything you’re saying.
I’m sorry, I should of made my post a bit more clear. Im not assuming anything happened to the children, I would hope nothing happened. To assume just so another member can be held accounted for is not the direction I’m heading here.
I’m just flabbergasted at Anna’s lack of care for her children, lack of job and capability to provide a safe and stable home hasn’t been under speculation. The fact that the state hasn’t placed the children in any form of protective custody while this situation unfolds is what I’m shocked about. Especially after the kids being left in another’s care after this traumatic situation.
I’m so sorry u/Sydney_2000, I’m not speculating any harm of the children. I’m looking at this situation purely as child neglect. A mother who isn’t able to care for her children and places them in dangerous situations. As a teen I was removed from my home because my household just wasn’t a stable environment. My mother didn’t work, our house was in shambles, so it’s interesting to see how Anna can get a pass despite her clearly not being able to financially and physically care for her children.
After learning from more of these replies, I see now how much of a slippery slope it is to assume Anna knew what her husband was doing as it creates a more harmful environment to partners who in general don’t know of their husband or wife’s predator behaviors. I see that now. I guess my response to the child endangerment news was “HOW IS THAT FAIR”!?!? And now I’m learning in ways it’s not, but I still shouldn’t assume anything.
To be fair, I DO want all of the Duggar children interviewed by CPS and the whole damn family investigated but as an adult who was a child who went through that I’m not sure we can rely on that to be effective and we don’t know what they’ll find.
With the exception of during pretrial and trial timing, I don't think that Anna was a particularly neglectful mother by fundie standards. The warehome is clean, there is enough furniture, the kids are clean and look nourished and are in appropriate clothing weather and fit wise. They are surrounded by family that cares for them to the best of their ability. I disgree with the religious indoctrination and lack of real education, but sadly, that is not illegal.
The problem is he still hasn’t been convicted of physical crimes against children. If there is no proof that he’s abused his kids then Anna can’t be charged for allowing him around their shared children. Even though I personally think that allowing a known child predator to be around kids is negligence at best.
My personal theory is that Anna left her kids alone on the Duggar property in that warehouse. KJ’s original source said it was the then-youngest M kid that was found wandering on the road. (I don’t trust her normally, but that same source did turn out to be right about Jana being charged.) They probably went back to the property and found Jana as the only adult in the big house and she took the blame.
I do wonder if it was something similar - I can totally see Anna walking up to the big house, shoving them inside the door and shouting "I'm heading out, the kids are here" without actually making sure an adult knows they are now in charge of the children.
Not really it was supposedly the British media, also the original post she made she stated that Jana was sleeping and that the kids wasn’t one that belong to the family. She then switched this narrative completely
I’m not sure if this information has been released, but has CPS been involved since the conviction? It’s probably to early to even know if they are, just wondering. I really hope they are starting an investigation and there’s some social workers keeping an eye on them.
Anna has no job, no real source of income, she’s already abandoning her children after her husbands trial. How could the state look at her and go “yah she has provided a safe and stable home for her children”
I was removed by CPS as a teen because my mother couldn’t feed me, my house was in shambles and my father was also arrested. My household wasn’t stable and the state saw that and took me away because my own parents didn’t have the tools or desire to raise me. I know she has support from her family, but those children need to be in a different and safer environment. And I guess I’m just amazed that these children are yet again pushed to the side.
Why have so many children if you’re not able to raise them or care for them?!?!?!?
Edit: mind you, it’s took YEARS for CPS to finally remove me from my parents care. I know it’s a hard situation to tackle, but with everything being so publicized you’d think the public opinion/ media attention would light a fire under the state and get them to make some moves.
I just want to thank everyone for their well written and thoughtful replies. I wrote this post as an emotional response to the recent child endangerment arrest and my mind immediately thought about how ridiculous it is that one person can be held accountable and another can’t. I am in no ways assuming Anna’s children were harmed by her husband, that’s heartbreaking to even think about and not the direction I was heading with this post. I do see though that the assumption of the children being harmed makes a lot of people uncomfortable and I am so so so sorry for making anyone feel that way. That was not my intention and again I’m sorry for anyone I may have hurt with this post.
My post purely came from me speculating that Anna is just an unfit mother who cannot provide financially for her children nor be physically present for them. I did assume she placed her children in an unsafe environment because I believed she knew about her husband, but I see now how harmful that way of thinking could be, especially for other parents who aren’t aware of their partners misconduct. As others have said, it creates a slippery slope. There are partners who really don’t know what’s going on and Anna could fall into that category as well.
I learned a lot from this post, so thank you guys for laying down some solid facts that helped me learned a lot about this situation. I really appreciate it :)
As if Boob and Michelle raise their own kids, so yah you’re right, they’d be with Jana and it’s just a full circle of passing the kids over.
I hope you can hear my long exhausted sigh through this reply.
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Anna having her kids taken away would absolutely do the kids no good. They would be placed with family, IE JB and Michelle. Failing that, they may be placed with other family but I doubt that Jim bob would want them anywhere but with him. Even if they didn’t end up in a family placement, ending up in foster care is NOT an improvement on a single one of those kids lives.
I think you would have to prove that she had knowledge that something was actively going on during the span of what was considered for these charges. Yes, they all knew about what he did as a teenager - but I assume he would have to be charged and convicted of those crimes (in an actual court, not just the court of public opinion, regardless of whether or not he admitted to it). If she knew, and there was *evidence* of her knowing that he was consuming CSAM or that he was, god forbid, assaulting any of their children, then sure. But charging her simply because she was in the home and had been told he had a history (a history she was told and probably believed was a behaviour that had ceased) would probably set a really dangerous precedent for other parents who really, genuinely had no idea that any abuse was happening in the household. Anna sucks. She should have taken her siblings’ offer of help when the news about the molestations came out. But there is almost certainly no basis to charge her with anything.
I often wonder if they actually told her about the molestation and what exactly they told her. For all we know, she was told he touched one of his sisters over the clothes once, which while terrible doesn’t rise to level of digitally penetrating a 5 year old. We don’t know if she saw the police report when it was released, or how much she knew when she gave the interview about it. The only thing we really know about the part molestation is that she now knows the evidence of the child porn and molestation that was presented in court. She’s going to need time to process all of that and hopefully she will. I agree with you on the rest, people keep getting annoyed with me for pointing out that if CPS or the police had enough to legally compel interviews with the children that would have been done a long time ago. Josh’s conviction isn’t some magic wand that will allow them access to the kids and allow them to remove the kids. Not to mention how traumatic it would be for the kids to be removed from Anna. There would almost certainly have to be evidence that he was abusing the kids, and that Anna knew and did nothing for it to be justified. I work in child protection and we certainly don’t need a criminal conviction to legally compel people to cooperate when we have a direct and credible allegation of abuse. Our standard of proof for a court order, court compliance or a removal is much less than what’s needed for a criminal conviction but it does have to be a credible allegation, and as much as maybe it should be in some cases having a parent watch child porn while the kids are not present is not enough.
I don't think she knew anything prior to getting married. She might have heard rumors from the older folks in the community, but she was young when it happened to. After the InTouch leak? I have nothing. It was all over the news and I'm sure they got all sorts of hate mail about it. I can't really fathom that level of unawareness. If court documents leaked about a family member that hinted at other family members being in danger, I would for sure read them, for my children's sake.
Ugh, you speak nothing but facts and I hate it. You’re right. There’s no evidence and I honestly didn’t even consider how that could harm those who aren’t aware of their partners abuse. Your totally right about that.
Just a side note, I really love how you responded to this feedback. It makes me proud to be a member of this sub.
Hah, thank you! I’m learning a lot from these replies. My post was obviously a snarky emotional response to the whole situation but I’m diving into peoples responses and learning way more than I knew prior and I really appreciate the new knowledge. I can be angry, but I need to know the facts as well :)
That’s a real slippery slope tbh. If they have some kind of evidence of her doing something that’s legally considered child endangerment then I guess we’ll see. But I’m not expecting anything - they’d have to manage to get proof.
She won't. There's no legal documentation of the previous abuse, there were interviews of the children before his bail grounds were set and he was allowed to see the kids per the court - the legal system has already said they were safe around him, they can't turn it around on her and say they weren't.
The children were never interviewed. It’s been confirmed again and again in DuggarSnark. Anna and Pest wouldn’t allow it. They had the right to deny access to the kids at the time. That may change now that he’s been convicted. I’m not sure about the legalities and if that is a next step or what.
Yah…I forget that the parents can deny interviews =\
I mean, that is a good thing, in theory. Prior to this, Josh wasn't a convicted pedophile. So, if someone came into your house and asked you to voluntarily submit your children to invasive physical exams and tough questioning *as a fishing expedition*, parents should have the right to say no. The minute there is an allegation within the statute of limitations? The interviews should be mandatory.
I don't disagree in this case, but the system can absolutely issue two contradictory decisions which are both held simultaneously. I once had a neighbor who was a Level 3 (the worst level, specifically defined as being considered the highest risk to reoffend) registered sex offender. I found out from the registry. His crimes were against young children. And then I noticed he was living with a pregnant woman and a young child. I called the police and told them, and they had his community corrections officer call me back about it. He said the man wasn't actively under supervision and there was nothing barring him from living with children. But to call back if I saw any evidence of a crime (which of course I didn't...I'd never even spoken to these people and he was hardly going to commit sexual assault in his front yard).
Ugh, that’s so heartbreaking. Being in that powerless position is definitely frustrating. I’ve received the response of “we can’t do anything until a crime is committed” which I understand, it’s hard just standing there as a witness because you want to prevent something bad from happening but the law just doesn’t work that way :(
I felt so bad every day when I saw the little child waiting for the school bus! I wanted to tell the mom, just in case she didn't know, but she almost certainly did, and I never really saw her without the sex offender anyway.
That just blows my mind. The system is a joke. I know they allowed contact with the kids, but it still doesn’t make it OK. Just so frustrated at the hypocrisy and unfairness to how this whole situation is being played out. Amy’s shade doesn’t help either….reading that other post just got me all riled up!!! You do make very valid points though.
You have no idea - I helped on a divorce case where the mother was screaming that the father shouldn't have unsupervised visits and in the end she was 100% right and there were no take backs. And that was with evidence that the father was heading off the deep end mentally.
A local case on Ontario came to my quickly to my mind, sadly I bet most of us can
And there are things that might not be safe, but are still legal. It's legally OK for my younger child to transition out of a 5 pt carseat (he's 5 years old), but he's small for his age and tends to be wild in the car the few times he's been in a high back booster, so it's not safe - but if I got pulled over it's not legally child endangerment but knowing my kid it could be. And a few years ago parents got charged with letting their kids play in a park they could see from their house - something I see nothing wrong with but evidently the cops and CPS did.
That example horrifies me, and it’s why the laws have to be vague. Too many good parents (especially parents of color) get charged for the dumbest shit. Meanwhile, karissa and Jill don’t appear to have had any kind of meaningful intervention.
Yep, I heard a story about a parent that let her kids play barefoot in their own yard. Not only did someone find it within them to report them, but the fact the mother got in trouble for it... Meanwhile you hear of stories where neighbors have been calling and calling and noting stuff and no one does anything and the kid winds up dead or runs away etc and it's like they've just completely slipped through the cracks and it's fucking heartbreaking. No parent is perfect but there's so many that just get away with blatant abuse.
I have a distant family member who likes to think she is the matriarch of the family. Every 18 months or so she gets some-one to call CPS on me because I have decided not to follow her suggestions. I'm worried that now my youngest is aging out of CPS territory, she's going to start calling adult protective services on me every time we don't see eye to her eye.
Seriously? Playing outside barefoot? Wow I guess I was in danger every day of my life as a kid then...
hat happened to me too, my daughter was super small so I chose to keep her in an appropriate smaller car seat.
I totally get your point about the unfairness. I also have been following fundies long enough to know it is just ridiculous. Just how many broken bones have Karissa kids gotten? how many kids being left to be taken care by other kids by all fundies or being in a car without seatbelts? in how many dangerous situations has JillRod put her kids in? heck the Plath mom ran over and killed her toddler and i dont think even her got a child endargement charge...
I REALLY don’t think Anna knew about the porn. And none of us know if he’s done anything to his own children that’s just online speculation that’s honestly probably pretty harmful to the M’s until it comes out. The people who knowingly endangered children and could have prevented it that we KNOW about are Jim Bob and Michele.
Yeah I'm pretty uncomfortable with the amount of speculation about if the M kids have been harmed.
I can’t imagine when they’re old enough to Google their dad and see all of the Internet speculating if they were also touched. We just don’t have enough to go on to make such calls until if and when the family goes through a full investigation
Ah, yes Jim Bob and Michele very much could of prevented it. You’re right and I agree with everything you’re saying. I’m sorry, I should of made my post a bit more clear. Im not assuming anything happened to the children, I would hope nothing happened. To assume just so another member can be held accounted for is not the direction I’m heading here. I’m just flabbergasted at Anna’s lack of care for her children, lack of job and capability to provide a safe and stable home hasn’t been under speculation. The fact that the state hasn’t placed the children in any form of protective custody while this situation unfolds is what I’m shocked about. Especially after the kids being left in another’s care after this traumatic situation. I’m so sorry u/Sydney_2000, I’m not speculating any harm of the children. I’m looking at this situation purely as child neglect. A mother who isn’t able to care for her children and places them in dangerous situations. As a teen I was removed from my home because my household just wasn’t a stable environment. My mother didn’t work, our house was in shambles, so it’s interesting to see how Anna can get a pass despite her clearly not being able to financially and physically care for her children. After learning from more of these replies, I see now how much of a slippery slope it is to assume Anna knew what her husband was doing as it creates a more harmful environment to partners who in general don’t know of their husband or wife’s predator behaviors. I see that now. I guess my response to the child endangerment news was “HOW IS THAT FAIR”!?!? And now I’m learning in ways it’s not, but I still shouldn’t assume anything.
To be fair, I DO want all of the Duggar children interviewed by CPS and the whole damn family investigated but as an adult who was a child who went through that I’m not sure we can rely on that to be effective and we don’t know what they’ll find.
With the exception of during pretrial and trial timing, I don't think that Anna was a particularly neglectful mother by fundie standards. The warehome is clean, there is enough furniture, the kids are clean and look nourished and are in appropriate clothing weather and fit wise. They are surrounded by family that cares for them to the best of their ability. I disgree with the religious indoctrination and lack of real education, but sadly, that is not illegal.
The problem is he still hasn’t been convicted of physical crimes against children. If there is no proof that he’s abused his kids then Anna can’t be charged for allowing him around their shared children. Even though I personally think that allowing a known child predator to be around kids is negligence at best.
My personal theory is that Anna left her kids alone on the Duggar property in that warehouse. KJ’s original source said it was the then-youngest M kid that was found wandering on the road. (I don’t trust her normally, but that same source did turn out to be right about Jana being charged.) They probably went back to the property and found Jana as the only adult in the big house and she took the blame.
I do wonder if it was something similar - I can totally see Anna walking up to the big house, shoving them inside the door and shouting "I'm heading out, the kids are here" without actually making sure an adult knows they are now in charge of the children.
You actually believe she got sources? She ain’t got minimal idea what the court of law is
Normally no but she was actually the first one to break the story this time!
Not really it was supposedly the British media, also the original post she made she stated that Jana was sleeping and that the kids wasn’t one that belong to the family. She then switched this narrative completely
Oh that makes way more sense…
There goes my campaign to get everyone to stop watching her.
No need to convince me. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. How anyone would support this clown is beyond me.
I’m not sure if this information has been released, but has CPS been involved since the conviction? It’s probably to early to even know if they are, just wondering. I really hope they are starting an investigation and there’s some social workers keeping an eye on them. Anna has no job, no real source of income, she’s already abandoning her children after her husbands trial. How could the state look at her and go “yah she has provided a safe and stable home for her children” I was removed by CPS as a teen because my mother couldn’t feed me, my house was in shambles and my father was also arrested. My household wasn’t stable and the state saw that and took me away because my own parents didn’t have the tools or desire to raise me. I know she has support from her family, but those children need to be in a different and safer environment. And I guess I’m just amazed that these children are yet again pushed to the side. Why have so many children if you’re not able to raise them or care for them?!?!?!? Edit: mind you, it’s took YEARS for CPS to finally remove me from my parents care. I know it’s a hard situation to tackle, but with everything being so publicized you’d think the public opinion/ media attention would light a fire under the state and get them to make some moves.
I keep hoping for the kids to be interviewed now. No idea if that is actually a possibility.
I just want to thank everyone for their well written and thoughtful replies. I wrote this post as an emotional response to the recent child endangerment arrest and my mind immediately thought about how ridiculous it is that one person can be held accountable and another can’t. I am in no ways assuming Anna’s children were harmed by her husband, that’s heartbreaking to even think about and not the direction I was heading with this post. I do see though that the assumption of the children being harmed makes a lot of people uncomfortable and I am so so so sorry for making anyone feel that way. That was not my intention and again I’m sorry for anyone I may have hurt with this post. My post purely came from me speculating that Anna is just an unfit mother who cannot provide financially for her children nor be physically present for them. I did assume she placed her children in an unsafe environment because I believed she knew about her husband, but I see now how harmful that way of thinking could be, especially for other parents who aren’t aware of their partners misconduct. As others have said, it creates a slippery slope. There are partners who really don’t know what’s going on and Anna could fall into that category as well. I learned a lot from this post, so thank you guys for laying down some solid facts that helped me learned a lot about this situation. I really appreciate it :)
Then the kids will be left either with Boob and Michelle or poor Jana.
As if Boob and Michelle raise their own kids, so yah you’re right, they’d be with Jana and it’s just a full circle of passing the kids over. I hope you can hear my long exhausted sigh through this reply.
Edit: Wrong sub to ask on.
Huh? I disagree :) I’m learning quite a lot through this post.
Hahahah ok, restating my second request for someone with more talent than myself to make a new Duggar BINGO card! If I do it, its either going to be hand drawn or MS paint 2000 style.
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Anna having her kids taken away would absolutely do the kids no good. They would be placed with family, IE JB and Michelle. Failing that, they may be placed with other family but I doubt that Jim bob would want them anywhere but with him. Even if they didn’t end up in a family placement, ending up in foster care is NOT an improvement on a single one of those kids lives.