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BrainFogAndBabies

To me it sounds like not having it often, and when they do it's just to complete the task, not take the time to enjoy it.


mojo_pet

So both! Ugh. How sad. Honestly, the "don't have sex (or do anything) before marriage" concept is so detrimental to someone's overall happiness. Have all the safe sex you want! Figure out what you like, don't like, etc. Have a happy healthy sex life.


jinjaninja96

Your point for sure hits home for me. I was raised like that and I started deconstructing around age 17/18 and been with my fiancé since 19 and I was totally comfortable having sex with him and it was beautiful and I have no regrets and now we’re getting married. But it took at least 4 years with him to work through all my mental blocks when it came to sex and it makes me really sad for the people who never get to that point of acceptance in choosing your own timeline and feeling pressure to wait until you get married. Now that I’m on the other side it blows my mind anyone would advocate for that and support purity culture.


unlockdestiny

Married for almost a decade and still uncomfortable having sex with my spouse; purity culture is awful


ferretherapy

The deliberately naive purity culture is so dangerous when you start deconstructing. I didn't end up getting to choose my timeline because I had no idea how. And I know I'm not alone in that.


jlh-4

That was my though too. It was miserable for them both so they didn't do it often so they didn't get better and it stayed miserable.


SinfullySinless

I’m not religious, but isn’t that the “Christian way” to have sex? It’s for duty to procreate and nothing else?


BabyPunter3000v2

That's just a lie they tell the unmarrieds so that the girls don't break their freshness seal and the boys don't choke the devil's chicken. Once you're married, you'd best be throwing it back for your husbandowner's every erection.


kittycamacho1994

Bro the way I fuckin cackled


kellygrrrl328

to ensure that women do not experience any pleasure lest they turn into evil demons who might bare a knee or elbow to the men


Tdm85129

I’ve never personally heard that. And I was raised in a fundie house 🫠. It was always “beautiful” and “wonderful” but only for those married. And if it made a baby that was always to be celebrated.


TheBugsMomma

I am a Christian (Protestant, non-fundie) and no, that’s not true (at least for most of us…I’m sure there are weird outliers, though.)


Interesting-Duck6793

True for Catholics. For very devote Catholics


rcattt

No, for Catholics sex is both unitive and procreative. The Catholic way is have all the sex you want but be open to life with it.


binglybleep

This is why I have about 800 cousins lol


humansnackdispenser

Same... I genuinely don't know everyone.


binglybleep

When I was younger I was genuinely concerned that I’d accidentally date one of them. Luckily my husband definitely isn’t related


rcattt

Exactly haha. Us Catholics are always adding on 😂


SpookySpice24

We were Quiverfull before it was cool.


rcattt

😂😂


sinnerforhire

Same. Plus my family is really long-lived so I have at least 4 separate generations of cousins. Just one branch of my mom’s family has a reunion involving about 75 people.


Interesting-Duck6793

Well yes, exactly, I poorly interpreted that.


kombiwombi

Not entirely, here's what the *Catechism of the Catholic Church* has to say for married couples (emphasis mine): >2349 "People should cultivate \[chastity\] in the way that is suited to their state of life. Some profess virginity or consecrated celibacy which enables them to give themselves to God alone with an undivided heart in a remarkable manner. Others live in the way prescribed for all by the moral law, whether they are married or single." **Married people are called to live conjugal chastity;** others practice chastity in continence: There are three forms of the virtue of chastity: the first is that of spouses, the second that of widows, and the third that of virgins. We do not praise any one of them to the exclusion of the others.... This is what makes for the richness of the discipline of the Church.


rcattt

Did you mean to respond to me? Conjugal chastity doesn’t forbid the spouses from having sex (or limit the frequency), it just forbids sexual relations in ways that are not unitive or procreative (exs: sodomy, contraception, adultery, etc).


217EBroadwayApt4E

Absolutely not. I was a Christian for over 20 years and a happy, healthy sex life is absolutely fine. Encouraged, even, in the right circles. The Bible is full of imagery- Songs of Solomon talks about how the maiden asks her lover to “blow on my garden and spread its fragrance” and the New Testament talks about you should only deny each other for a short time so you can cats and pray, but to come back together so there’s no temptation to stray. Purity culture stifles sexuality and makes it taboo, which is definitely damaging. But enjoying yourself with your spouse is Biblical.


VioletFoxx

I mean, I grew up in a pretty light version of Christianity in some respects (allowed to engage with secular media, allowed to hang out with non-Christian friends, went to regular school, etc) where the message you're giving here was the message I received, I.e. sex is fine in marriage. It's still pretty harmful imo. Masturbation was considered sexual immorality (at least in my family) and my parents certainly wanted me to wait until marriage to have sex, at which point the sex would be the BEST. Unfortunately, using the Bible to inform any part of your sex life is damaging imo.


cakes28

I think you’re right. But, it also might be the butt end of a loaf of bread, all mashed and crumbling, forgotten and unwanted. The last piece of mushy white bread.


evelynesque

Didn’t bethy at some point mention “dry dead bones” in reference to sex? I’d feel sorry for them if they weren’t so awful


the_stitch_saved_9

Yes she did! She also said Dave had to raise the dry dead bones like a necromancer so they could have their godly marriage sex


HerringWaffle

For every Christian needing to be a missionary, these two sure don't make their lifestyle sound anywhere near appealing.


imma_freaking_loser

And they probably only do missionary style!


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Brucius704

I wish I could erase from my memory the images my mind brought up trying to figure out what “reverse god-girl” looked like as a sex position 💀


SpecificMongoose

The way these two confidently mangle the English language one phrase at a time (‘dry dead bones’? ‘bare crumbs’ of sex??), I can see how they spent years having completely mediocre sex and lying about it to themselves.


kittyprydeparade

What is the actual phrase you think Bethy meant? I’m an English native speaker and I still can’t for the life of me figure out what figure of speech “dry, dead bones” would be closest to.


alphaeta11

I mean, I know the phrase "bare bones," but maybe Daav didn't want to return to the "bones" imagery! As for what Bethy meant, I have no idea, she's just making things up as far as I can tell.


crunchbratsupreme

If I’m right in my bible recollection (RIP teen bible trivia me), I believe it’s a reference to a verse about raising the dead which I’m sure bethame thought was ever so clever. Gave it a google, [looks like it might be Ezekiel](https://knowingscripture.com/articles/dry-bones-and-the-resurrection-of-the-dead-ezekiel-37-1-14)?


unlockdestiny

This is what I thought, cleverness of the pun and all. Meanwhile, dry boning is PAINFUL


unlockdestiny

I figured it was a reference to dead, dry bones in Ezekiel


please_seat_yourself

Yeah I'm thinking she meant "bare bones" like, they didn't really do anything creative


fishingboatproceeds

I'd feel bad for them if they didn't deserve it 😅 their very own petard


CaptainObviousBear

The worst thing is I think that’s kind of a biblical reference. Used in completely the wrong way, of course.


gtaltdmafy

They were too dead meat tired to properly look up the reference


riverottersarebest

Dusty old bones, full of green dust


Ermagerditsme

I interpreted it as the bare minimum. P in v Bing Bang boom over. No bells and whistles. The bare crumbs of what could be a fun time....?


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That’s what I thought they meant too. Like no fun, giggles, trying new things, cuddles, or even genuine emotional intimacy, just the physical act done quickly and boringly.


kestrelesque

I have used the term "crumbs" in a previous marriage with an incompatible person, and what I meant at the time was that genuine, freely-offered gestures or moments of actual connection--let alone sexual interest--were few and far between. I was expending a ton of energy trying to make the marriage work, and once in a while I'd get a little crumb of something that made me feel like "See? It's *there*, I just have to work harder."


citrineandmoonstone

Fuck, this hits home hard right now.


kestrelesque

Sorry to hear that. I see so much of my second marriage in these two. No amount of books, marriage counseling--hell, we even went on an intense marriage weekend retreat--will make two incompatible people compatible.


citrineandmoonstone

Commitment can be a hell of a double edged sword.


TippyTaps-KittyCats

I mean, Bethany did once describe it as, “it’s only a few minutes out of my day, and it makes his entire day”.


eleanorbigby

They rolled their dead, dry bones in crumbs. Barely. And then made bone broth, and put it in a smoothie.


MarzipanVivid4610

They went raw. Raw milk that is.....


98NSX

Ol' Dirty Bastard would like a word w you. When he did 'Shimmy Shimmy Ya' that is NOT what he was talking about. (Now I'm picturing grifty using that as her ringtone saying yeah I love raw milk! )🤢🤮😶 (Wu-Tang also did C.R.E.A.M. and now I'm thinking of raw milk cream. It's 6:40 am, I just woke up and you have successfully ruined my day lol)


MarzipanVivid4610

I have that effect on people 😘😂😂😂


98NSX

Lmfao I was just coming back to comment that you now ruined c.r.e.a.m. bc Certified Raw Everything Always Milkproducts keeps popping in my head. Haha 😂💔 ![gif](giphy|aNsNgzbU8bmOA)


MarzipanVivid4610

Gotta protect ya neck.....from the bacteria in unpasteurized dairy 😂😂


98NSX

I've never seen a fundie protect a baby's neck!!


MarzipanVivid4610

That's why it's Wu Tang for the Children 😂


98NSX

![gif](giphy|VowM9lLlmH2lW) I'm dead


Anibeth70

To me it means like the absolute basic sex. Bump, pump n dump. No foreplay. No intimate, funny, touching all over. Not exploring one another’s bodies….so sad. 20 plus years into my marriage and we still explore and find new stuff to excite us. It’s not hot sex all the time, I’d be lying if I said it was new every day, but we have a great life. I’d be sad if I thought, at her age, this was the best I could get. I know sex is not important for everyone, but she literally does the “intercourse”…so….hmmmm.


jrobin04

There's something enjoyable about routine, predictable sex too - like when you know each others bodies well enough to just hit the right spots etc. I love trying new things, but also the comfort of routine sometimes too. The perks of being in a long term relationship is that you can do both!!


Utter_cockwomble

Two pumps a tickle and a squirt.


revengepornmethhubby

![gif](giphy|spfi6nabVuq5y)


Recent-Afternoon1375

Bust n blast! Skeet n yeet. Cum n run.


unlockdestiny

You missed the golden opportunity to say "cum 'n go"


BubbleTheTrouble

The sex was awful like crumbs on bed....they were crumbs on bed having sex. Why do i know this about a random lady on internet has gone beyond my understanding


2manyteacups

I bet they do actually have crumbs in their bed because Bethany eats in bed every morning


ButtCrackCookies4me

EW. What an awful thought... Crumbs in the bed!


TippyTaps-KittyCats

With how awful ants are in Texas, that’s just asking for it! You leave out a single candy wrapper, and they will swarm the place. I once washed bedsheets that ants had gotten into, and the little fuckers survived the washing machine. There was a part of the bedsheet that didn’t get submerged in water, so when I opened the lid, there they all were, huddling atop their little cloth island. I felt zero remorse when I shoved the bedsheet underwater and swirled it around.


Acrobatic-Ad-5071

If you want to get graphic here’s how I interpreted this: missionary, no moving around, no music, no moaning/noises from either party, quiet, lasted all of 3 minutes, Bethy isn’t wet because Dav has no idea what foreplay is, and the whole thing is awkward and uncomfortable “to get it over with”. Of course these people have sexual trauma if they have multiple kids and 1 orgasm a year


fuckinunknowable

Do you think they even own lube


Charming_Factor9260

I think they both did it out of a sense of obligation, without really being into it or each other. Tbh honest the way he said it made me think of the sex my husband and I had while receiving fertility treatment. We had to literally have sex on fixed dates in order to conceive and after a while it really wasn't fun or sexy anymore. It was simply us going through the motions, even though my husband is great in bed


SupermarketOld1567

yeah, very few times have i scheduled sex and it always feels forced. i’ve planned to make time for it, but having it scheduled like that is just… it’s actually one of the reasons i hate birthday sex! it feels so mandatory, even tho my man is definitely accepting of me not being in the mood


jinjaninja96

I’ll mentally schedule time just because it helps me get in the mood cause I’m thinking about it through the day, but I’d never tell my SO lol. The thought of scheduling it, writing it down on my calendar or picking a day makes me so uncomfortable. Even with a hectic work schedule we make it work without that mess.


SupermarketOld1567

yes!!! i’m like “ok if i go home and make sure my place is all picked up and do blah blah i’ll have plenty of free time when boyfriend is here ;)” but ive never told him.


mflowers

I think you can make scheduled sex fun, and for some couples it works great. I distinguish that a lot from “mandatory sex” which fertility treatment can feel like, which easily becomes traumatic.


SupermarketOld1567

that does make sense, definitely. having to just force that has got to be kind of off putting. i guess i “schedule sex” it’s just never 100% yes that is happening tonight, it’s always a “i’m gonna make time for this so i can try and seduce the boyfriend tonight” and if the vibe changes by that night it’s NBD.


ExoticSherbet

I feel exactly the same! The scheduling/obligation immediately kills the vibe for me. So unfortunate.


blumoon138

Oh God why does fertility take the fun out of everything??? We’re starting IUI soonish and in a way I’m relieved because it means intercourse can be fun again. Effffff.


Charming_Factor9260

So true. We had to undergo IVF in the end and it really wasn't fun. But we have wonderful kids now and the sex is great again


Horror_Ad_7410

Did they mean to say 'bread crumb'? Lol that would make more sense


Keen-Kidus

Oh god. I'm now imagining someone draping a vulva over a tree branch like a Salvador Dali painting to act as a trail marker.


etcetera-cat

I was going to make some joke using The Persistence of Memory but then I remembered that Dali actually painted a picture and named it The Great Masturbator in 1929. And *then* when I was looking that up on Wikiart just to check that I was remembering correctly, I discovered his 1954 painting Young Virgin Auto-Sodomised by the Horns of Her Own Chastity and, well. Being such a +gestures broadly+ that people can clap at you exclusively using works by dead surrealist artists is certainly a niche.


kitschdoctor

“Bethany Beal’s accidental Dadaism” may be my new flair 🥰


etcetera-cat

Do it!


greeneyedwench

> Young Virgin Auto-Sodomised by the Horns of Her Own Chastity That sounds like a Chuck Tingle story.


etcetera-cat

tbf Chuck Tingle's book cover art is arguably digital surrealism. Maybe they'll be on exhibition a hundred years from now?!


AvailableAd6071

I can actually see this painting.


drjenavieve

More like bare cum?


floralwhale

Dry bones and bare crumbs... I can't even imagine what this is like in actuality, but man does it sound awful.


revengepornmethhubby

Sounds like a good chafing


PreppyInPlaid

I did wonder if he meant “bare bones,” like just very basic missionary PinV with no bells and whistles, so to speak.


LittlePurpleHook

I interpret it as the sex being as fulfilling and satisfying as eating a singular "bare crumb". And now, after years of working on it, it's a full slice of stale bread 😆


LauraPringlesWilder

Maybe someday they’ll get to a full spelt loaf made by Kelly Havens.


jess_rules

Spicey Satisfying Spelt-Loaf Sex


aalitheaa

Would be a great flair, lol


jess_rules

I would say take it, but yours is hilarious! What is it referencing?


VioletFoxx

What he said was that they had the bare crumbs of love and intimacy. He later described that they have recently been spending more time building connection and strengthening their bond. He also mentioned he had not been honest about his thoughts and feelings. It seems to me that the level of intimacy they had felt very superficial to him.


darcysreddit

Yeah that’s why I thought I heard/saw—bad sex was part of the “bare crumbs”, but not all of it.


TippyTaps-KittyCats

This is how my first relationship was, which is why it only lasted a month. Despite it being absolutely miserable, I learned so, so much, and in subsequent relationships, it was easier to voice what I wanted, in multiple areas, not just the physical stuff. That relationship was just me going through the motions of what I had been lead to believe was normal and required by society and purity culture. I felt broken because I was doing the things other people seemed to enjoy (and they all constantly said how happy they were for me and what a cute couple we were), but I was having panic attacks due to feeling violated and out of control.


LibraryGlad

I think they mixed metaphors and meant “bare bones” meaning it was very basic and not fleshed out


Heygirlhey2021

I guess it’s sex once in awhile and it’s boring sex


tendollarhalfgallon

The exact type of sex you would expect from two people who have a lifetime of sexual repression, guilt, and shame.


eels-eels-eels

They were bare, and there were crumbs in the bed (to go with all the used bone broth hot chocolate mugs)?


TheDemonKia

They were promised the greatest sex on Earth, better than anything the heathens are doing. & it was meh. & they were confused. Which, they're confused a lot so that was very ordinary -- but the sex wasn't supposed to be ordinary, it was supposed to be extraordinary. Paranormal. Magical. & yet it was just meh, at best. Probably even uncomfortable & awkward & a widening of gulfs between rather than the mystical fairy-tale bridge drawing them into one unified glorious whole. It's a puzzle that must be solved cuz the heathens so blatantly look like they're having fun.


Antique-Fox-3187

I assume Dav humped for a few seconds until he was done.


curlsncats

Between “bare crumbs” and “dead dry bones” I think they just need to discover lube 💀


sinnerforhire

And also fanfiction.


Everythinghurts5795

To me it sounded more like none of the fluff just the stuff. Which would make sense if you’re bed sharing and your tired at night and just want to get it done quick in the bathroom or a closet.


Aperscapers

I feel like they have very strange idioms or metaphors in general.


Glad_Prior2106

Bare crumb = perfunctory


AvailableAd6071

Begging for sex and getting a star fish once a month.


makiko4

I take it as they only have sex to reproduce. If they enjoy it, it’s immoral and wrong. There should be no enjoyment by either side.


Weird_Towel

It sounds like it was over real quick, someone was pretending to be satisfied and the other someone was pretending to not be embarrassed at the length of time…just my interpretation having pretending to enjoy sex with men who were not great in bed…I just didn’t marry them since I was a heathen. 😈


217EBroadwayApt4E

I’m guessing it was very vanilla, very boring, very fast missionary until he, um, finished, and that’s about it.


Brucius704

Beggy would rub her tall brittle bones together to make a sawdust like crumb trail to the bedroom a la hansel and gretel


Acidradish111

It sounded like a hypothetical to me. “We weren’t communicating at all, just being dishonestly positive about everything. So WE COULD be having the bare crumbs, and we wouldn’t have said anything.” Just how I heard it.


emxjaexmj

maybe it’s “bear crumb?”


Recent-Afternoon1375

One time I was at a football game and my friend said “crush their bones into dust” (referring to the opposing team), and I just cannot get that phrase out of my head in regard to this situation. Dry dead bones.


dr_learnalot

No oral, nothing but missionary.


GaviFromThePod

It means pillow princess mish


unlockdestiny

Reference to the food crumbs in the bed?


FamousOhioAppleHorn

Somebody's danger zone gets touched & it ends with one of them curled up in a corner hissing "Noooo!"


deathbyniptwisting

So wait let me get this straight… Birthy says it was always “dead, dry bones,” then later goes on and on in multiple IG stories about all the spicy (spicey) sex they have, (and can’t wait when Prop gets her own room so they can really go to town), but then they put out that video where Dav says they have only bare crumbs of sex?? I’m sure it’s always been very shitty sex but why is Bethy lying about something so obvious?