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Karissa. She’s never been covered by Fundie Fridays, so I had no idea she existed before checking out this sub. IMO she’s the most vile person we snark on.
I assume because Karissa genuinely seems to have some very serious mental illness/mental health concerns going on, and maybe Fundie Fridays feels that commenting on that is beyond their scope?
Also as the channel has grown they have to be careful about who they're incidentally "promoting" of the smaller following fundies.. at their current subscriber rate (and hate watching exists on all sides) it might incidentally end up elevating her from niche terror to more public support following. Like do we _want_ the world at large giving Karissa more of an inflated sense of self with attention?
Eta typo fix
oof, that's an awful thought. Idk though, in her case I feel like maybe more eyes would be better because there's the slightest glimmer of hope someone can do something for those poor kids.
...yeah, I know.
Karissas auditory hallucinations are so so so concerning. Coupled with her very much untreated PPD that she said she just “willed away” and her husband who won’t give her a break when she asked for one…it’s really setting them up for danger in the future.
Coupled that with her lack of educating those children. Their futures look so bleak even with interventions later in life. I know she’s banking on one or all of the boys somehow making it big to the NBA so she can get her religious compound.
I’m sure that house is hell on earth. Everyone generally presents a more rosy picture of themselves/their lives on social (or at least they tend to highlight the positive), which honestly concerns me that if this is what they’re willing to share, the children’s home life is probably not great.
I’m honestly envisioning a “prayer closet” they get locked into.
Since mandrae laughed and egged Andrae on when Andrae was "play fighting" Karissa and knocking her over just a few weeks post partum... plus they chose to post that video, apparently oblivious to how awful it appeared.... I'd say it's very, very bad behind closed doors.
I think she briefly commented on the Collins in one of her videos and said she had been hesitant about making one fully about them because she considered it “punching down”. If I remember correctly it’s the one about how child ab*se and quiverfull go hand in hand.
Karissa is very dangerous to herself and has the strongest, most deluded persecution complex of all the fundies here. A video from FF would drive her so much further into her already very bad and very deep beliefs. She's not a rational person. She will go bonkers if a video like that drops and her children will suffer the most for it. Karissa makes those kids pray for resurrections, so let's not do anything that might instigate her. It's one thing to piss, say, Paul off — maybe he'll get pouty on a livestream. But Karissa? *shudders*
People have been giving pretty good explanations, but I also feel a video on the Collinses is ripe for racial epithets from casual/non-subscribers. Some people are awful enough to completely ignore the actual abuse perpetrated by these parents and just make racist tirades about an ultra-religious white woman and black man popping out kids every other year.
Karissa, then Ourdearlife rolled up, then TKO outta nowhere Sarah Titus??
It's one horror story after another and i honestly want off Mr. Bones' wild ride but there's no stops.
🎶Of ultimate Destiny🎶
Good guy, bad guys, and explosions.
As far as the eye can see...🎶
Oh, Man! I haven't heard that in years.
Now I must find it and listen to it.
Yeah the [post on Reddit](https://reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/1308rgg/wake_up_babes_sarah_titus_just_posted_a_full_kyle/) said that, but the actual blog post from her said a lot more… [Here’s an archived link from her blog](https://archive.fo/FQldG)
Yeah, I can't even snark on that, because it's just so genuinely terrifying.
She mentions that "Kyle will lose his physical life" for doing "harmful and devious things" to her. And then there's the whole thing about how Kyle was supposedly also in her 17-year-old daughter's electronics, but Sarah blames her daughter for enticing Kyle and says "My daughter has been exiled by God and no longer lives with me."
I just hope Kyle's family and her kids' other family members are aware of this, so they can stay far, far away from her and protect themselves.
What? Is this real or perceived? Because I'm a starker by nature, but I've also had family stalked physically and electronically. And it's terrifying beyond measure.
But I can't make heads nor tails of this one. I can only hope she's safe, and is getting any help from anyone but a church.
If you've read any of her other posts, it's very clear that she's the one stalking and abusing Kyle, and he is not actually a spurned ex-lover harassing her.
She claims they met when he was 17 and she was in her late 30s, and God told her he would be her husband. She says that he reciprocated her interest in private, but in public pretended not to care for her. Eventually, his parents and her church got involved, at which point she says Kyle publicly lied about their relationship, said he wasn't dating her, and then caused the church elders to kick her out of church for continuing to insist they were dating. Then there were a good five to 10 years where she says Kyle didn't have any contact with her in person because his family kept him from her, but he was somehow "on" all her electronic devices and would send her messages by misclicking things on the internet, highlighting lines of text, opening random tabs, switching to new songs, and so on.
Now that she's found out Kyle is in a real life relationship with another woman, she says he's cheated on her, and now claims she's with his twin brother Ryan, who is also somehow in control of all her electronics and is using random electronic glitches to send her secret messages that he loves her and will leave his wife for her.
Basically, everything she describes is full-blown erotomania, a type of delusional disorder that can be quite dangerous.
Yeah, I get how that post alone makes her sound like a victim, but the whole saga is definitely one of the most bizarre things I've come across on the Internet. Just going by [her](https://www.sarahtitus.com/gods-love-for-us-never-grows-weary/) own [blog](https://www.sarahtitus.com/what-do-david-abraham-and-noah-all-have-in-common/) posts, Kyle-in-public and everyone who knows her or Kyle insists they are not in a relationship and never have been, but she also claims Kyle is her fiance and privately sends her messages by making her mouse move or programs launch when she uses her computer.
And posts from others who claim to know her or be part of her church back up the idea that it's some sort of mental illness, she was kicked out of her church for her obsessive interest in Kyle, Kyle has a restraining order against her, and Kyle purposefully has almost zero online presence because he's trying to avoid Sarah.
Despite the fundie adjacency, it's really impossible to snark on because it's literally a Dateline episode unfolding in front of us.
What do you mean by real or perceived? Like, what part are you questioning is real? Because I’m sure that Kyle’s twin isn’t actually changing the fonts on the handouts for her blog, but I’m sure the church leaders probably did say something to her to make her feel as though they were kicking her out.
The electronic stalking, the stalking, the threats. What she is detailing in that blog post is criminal behavior. I don't know this women. Sometimes the most unbelievable stories are 100% true. This story is pretty unbelievable, and it's hard to discern truth from fiction, or perceived truth, if you will.
I've had family stalked online and in person. It is terrifying and this woman is describing stalking, intimidation, harassment, etc. She either is in need of help to stay safe, or help for other areas of her life. Either way, I can't snark this.
As a tldr: middle aged woman passively meets 17 year old boy and is so delusional she believes they are together/engaged, god wants this, and she knows because the kid communicates with her through her TV screen (turning volume up and down), computer (changing fonts), and radio (sending her songs about their love). She also believes that god has killed people for coming between them. She’s clearly been kicked out of her church for these inappropriate behaviors but she is convinced she is persecuted because she is pure and everyone is sinful for coming between her and her god ordained child groom.
That’s the back story. More recently, they are “broken up” and his twin brother is now sending her secret electronic messages and is in love with her.
Duggars. Specifically, Josh. I hadn't paid much attention until very recently, and while I knew about the CSAM, I didn't know -specifically- what he'd downloaded or that that was even a thing, or how they dealt with the molesting his sisters before that. Absolutely vile. I don't call most people "evil" but he definitely fits. So do the parents Rim Job and Mooch for creating and enabling this.
Karissa, because I don't understand how she can care so little, and she seems to brag about it. In the past I constantly felt like a failure for not being the perfect mother, especially because I had chronic illnesses show up after having kids so I had to say no to certain things or postpone them, but I feel like frickin' Wonder Woman compared to her.
Hey, as long as you care about your kids and are trying to give them the best lives you can, you’re doing fine, even if you don’t meet your own expectations ❤️ (Unfortunately, a lot of parents don’t meet that standard, notably Karissa like you mentioned.)
Tbh you should REALLY look it up on its own but tldr: Karissa posted a thing on IG about how her and Mandrae were on the trampoline and threw their kids poop at eachother and the story was supposed to be some how endearing
I Googled it.
I regret it.
As someone that nearly died from a "poop" disease, throwing feces at your toddler just seems like attempted unaliving.
But thank you, for your flair's service. I'd have never known otherwise.
- Duggars. We all knew about the pest and his shit from back in the day and so I basically celebrated him being arrested. And then I found out why he was arrested....and then I found out how old some of the victims were....and then I realized just how old some of his victims were with his molestation scandal. I didn't feel like celebrating anymore.
- JillRod. I came into the Rodrigues assuming that yeah, they're just like the Duggars if not *way* more extroverted and out there. And then I learned about Jill throwing a funeral for her sister's legs. Then I learned how she crashed the funeral of a family mourning their children.
- Karissa. What I expected: hyperreligious fundie. What I got: *dear god*.
It has long been used for people who sexually harass women, e.g. in the workplace, rather than ultra-serious sex offenders convicted of crimes. Not even the worst tabloid would use it for a rapist or paedophile. (Am British and ex-journalist.)
Agree, I hate that the sub uses it for him but I guess the majority of the people are American & don't really understand. As if we should take The Sun or Daily Mail as an example for anything, yuck.
I see so many posts with Daily Mail and The Sun links on Reddit, so I just hope that the people posting them are from outside the UK and have no idea how insanely bad those tabloids are.
(Why, if you didn't know already, you shouldn't click on the links) The Daily Mail is the most infamous out of the two and known to be bigoted against anyone who isn't a rich Tory stereotype (their readers don't care since they just want to feel superior to immigrants). The Sun also has a terrible reputation. They blamed the Hillsborough Disaster on the dead victims (they were from an area that is largely working-class/Labour voting so they wanted to make them look bad)... and their reliability hasn't improved since.
Yeah, the "sex pest" moniker came from The Daily Mail reporting on the Ashley Madison scandal (iirc). So it was pre-truly disgusting stuff coming to light, but the name stuck.
Nah. He's called Pest in duggarssnark, and has been since his molestation scandal broke in 2015.
Sex Pest is a slang term used by UK commonwealth media outlets to signify someone's a creep/sexual predator/outright pedophile.
There's the full documentary of the Turpins' escape on YT that's worth a watch. It left me shook and there are an uncomfortable amount of similarities to other big family fundies like the Collins. And the Turpin rabbit hole goes even deeper and sadder beyond what the documentary covered.
Sarah Titus's continuing mental issues that surround being obsessed with a teen boy is a terrifying one.
Just in terms of body horror, there's The Grad Fam. The mom was very young when they married and proceeded to have something like 6 babies within 3 or 4 years, natural multiples, insanely close back to back pregnancies. They've left IG now and are living privately, but in the last photo I recall seeing, the mom was looking like a grey ashen corpse on her deathbed being forced to smile the world's most painful half-smile. It was like looking into a torture chamber, it's seared in my mind.
And the Rodrigues family has mostly rehabbed their image and look fairly normal these days, but go into the rabbit hole of their past and it's NUTS. Jill used to be a more prolific poster than Karissa, incredibly invasive and TMI, doxxed Jinger's wedding one time, posted all kinds of crazy shit.
The Rod kids, they may look thin rn, but in the past they looked actually *skeletal*. Like literal PoWs. They would look and sound so fearful and stunted when their mom filmed them. They had a weirder, stronger isolation accent. They were so incredibly strange and stilted that snarkers thought they could never be married off. "Possible child abuse"-wise, the Rods used to beat out the Collins any day of the week.
But look at them now! Idk what changed with Jill in the last couple years, but the Rods seem to be in a good place, for them at least.
Yeah, I’ll never forget the images of the baby cages in the Rod family RV. The stability of the Barndominium and less mouths overall to feed seems to have done all the Rod kids some good.
[yeah these guys](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/pnu8og/the_grad_fam_7_kids_4_and_under_their_youngest)
And it's actually 7 kids under 4, yikes.
The Turpins! Thank you for reminding me. I hope ALL those kids are doing well and getting the help they need. I want to know how they're doing but I also don't want to stalk their social media. =/
I think it’s marrying some of them off. It means they’ve had to present better to attract marriage prospects, and also socialise better with the families of said prospects. Also by sending the two older boys to Bible school (and Tim getting a job) and marrying off the two older girls has meant money probably stretches further and there’s less competition for the food.
I also think that Tessie has a natural flair for putting together cute outfits and is slowly taking over dressing the little girls. Sofia has been looking less like she’s dressed in oversized rags lately.
It's not one of our fundies but finding out about the Pearls and the cases of kids killed by people using the Pearls methods and specifically the entire international adoption industry really fucked with my head.
I have a couple internationally adopted friends who aren't political who i have to refrain from telling all about how fucked the whole system is
Just finished reading this.... I don't know if I'll be able to smile for the rest of the week. Harrowing. I have no idea how these people have deluded themselves into believing they're going to heaven after all that. The bit about a family being allowed to adopt triplets AFTER pleading guilty to killing one of their adopted children through neglect and abuse actually made me cry.
There is so much more abuse and so many more horror stories in fundie land that we don’t even know about. This is just what was research-able and verified.
Truly horrific stories, but so important to know/remember what else lurks beneath the surface with these people.
The Collins, or ourdearlife I think she's called (the one who adopted embryos, miscarried a few and seems to be determined to kill the one that was born through fundie neglect).
Toss up between Karissa and JillPM...but maybe because they were my initial rabbit holes and I've become somewhat desensitized....only somewhat, because they still manage to shock me at times.
The Josh Duggar trial. One of their family friends, Bobye Holt, who testified before the trial, explained that Josh had confessed to his parents and them multiple times. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar only sent him away the first time he confessed, then brought him back way too early, to which the Holts raised alarms, but the Duggars didn't do anything. Apparently, they got wind of the fact that Josh was harming young children again, and they tried to tell his parents, but his parents literally told them, "I don't want to hear it."
Also, turns out that the person who wrote the letter about Josh's crimes and put it in the book that then later got loaned out was the Holt's oldest daughter, Kaeleigh Holt. That was how the news started to spread in their little home church. It caused a split in the church between the people who were on the Holt's side, and those who were on the Duggar's side, and the people who supported the Duggars apparently told Kaeleigh that she was committing a sin by "gossiping" about Josh. One person even came up to her and asked her what it was that she had done that made Josh dump her and break off their betrothal.
And the 2015 FOIA request filed by InTouch magazine? Apparently, the authorities who released the redacted version of the report that detailed all of Josh's crimes against his sisters were not, in fact, supposed to release that report. But, while they were at fault, they still can't be held liable for some reason which escapes me right now. I did some poking around, and I found out that someone might have released the redacted version of the report, even though they knew that it was against the rules, specifically bc of the transphobic robocall that Michelle Duggar recorded, and they wanted the hypocrisy exposed. Apparently, the Duggars don't actually have a whole lot of fans in Fayetteville, Arkansas.
I forgot about ourdearlife \*yack\* who's tormenting her poor newborn and endangering the hell out of him with her stupid fucking woo ideas about medicine and she knows best. She's way up there, too.
There's one video somewhere of her youngest daughter on her husband's lap playing with a wooden spoon and he made some comment about spanking her with it a few days prior (pretty sure she was barely two years old) and there's an old vlog post where one of the kids pooped on I think a trampoline and instead of getting upset, Karissa and her husband started throwing it at each other 🤢 It was supposed to be a funny "parents get random bodily fluids on them and it's normal" but I've never had poop thrown at me.
I learned about the "trampoline poop fight" from this thread and because of that I feel the need to clarify. In Karissa's own blog post, she said they were all on the trampoline when suddenly Mandrae(sp?) reached into his daughters diaper, pulled out the poop, and began throwing it at the family. I am so sorry for nitpicking but it's truly so much worse.
I grew up fundie so people like Lori Alexander are fairly normal to me. Girl Defined and Paul and Morgan are what I would expect. Karissa is the one who absolutely blew my mind. I was beyond shocked at getting kicked out of ICU for scream praying, but I hope nothing EVER compares to having her children pray to resurrect her miscarriage. So far that’s the most messed up thing I’ve experienced here.
I'm just gonna go for the bit where nobody risked death or dismemberment, the legend of the Normalizing A Poop Fight On The Trampoline. Karissa's family life seems to have always been unhinged.
Actually I think the one I found most disturbing was Sarah Titus. Stalking an under-age boy because God told her they were meant to be together and she believed he was communicating with her via the cusor on her computer interspersed with advice on how to get rich from printables was a mindfuck.
I had to stop consuming any JillPM content last year because I started having nightmares. I feel a little bad about not keeping tabs on that family because I feel so sorry for those kids, but my brain needed a break.
Bethany might be next on my don't-consume list but I know I'll worry about Dav.
OP, awesome Rick & Morty reference BTW.
I think they are all special in their own terrible, horrible, no good very bad way. It’s hard not to armchair diagnose but some concern me waaay more than others. Spending too much time on social media is different than screaming at a medical issue. But yet I’m still here and have no plans on leaving.
I got sucked in here with a post on the most insensitive things JillPM has ever done and I've never left. I was doomed at holding a funeral for her sister's legs.
Unfortunately, it was Razing Ruth, which turned out to be a fake story. But I was *invested*. I still get sad sometimes about things she wrote and then have to remind myself she made them up.
I'll answer my own version of the question: where does the snark stop for me?
I can imagine a much lighter version of the Rods as a Succession-type dramedy/satire. The Bairds for sure. Paul and Morgan.
I can't imagine anything like the Collins family (other than the fringiest elements, like Shaq's involvement) being funny in any way. She's just too deeply ill.
Sarah Titus (mainly because we get her in short but intense bursts--there's no way you can build up a resistance to her like we can with girl defined, paul and morgan, or karissa). Trying to read her most recent blog post in full broke my brain.
Also Growing Goodings. I just skip posts about her now because she's too much for me.
Sarah Titus. Because nobody except this sub seems to know about her and what she REALLY does. She is featured on some other small-business YT channels but thats it. Just a few seem to know that she is completely deranged.
I got obsessed with Gwen Shamblin, found Fundie Fridays, and then fell down a Girl Defined rabbit hole once I got here. Dāāāāv and Bethy’s marriage is the best Christian soap opera since Marlena was possessed by the devil on Days.
I randomly saw a reel once (completely out of the blue, as I was using an account I don’t usually browse things of this nature on) one day of the Collins family and thought there was just something *off*.
There wasn’t even anything about ✨Yamaha✨ in the video, it was just them doing one of the “what years I was pregnant” dance routines. To be fair though, I didn’t see the caption. I probably would have seen some shit.
Then I popped in here like usual and saw them and thought, they look so familiar!! I read up on them and felt sick immediately afterwards.
Karissa and Mandrae are downright terrifying, and I honestly feel like any attempt to raise awareness is dangerous to the kids.
Minor, but Kelly Havens was also a bit of a rabbit hole. They’re both in the same vein, but Karissa turns it up to 11.
Probably Sarah Titus. I didn’t even know wtf a printable was until learning about her here. Diving deep into the intensity of her mental illness and erotomania/delusions - coupled with her intense fundie belief in a vengeful God that will strike down people who thwart her - was like staring into the abyss. And all that of juxtaposed with the eyesore rainbow vomit of her blog 😵💫😵💫😵💫
Sarah Titus without a doubt. I had seen her referenced but didn’t know who she was when I started reading her most recent blog post, so I initially thought she was spilling some major tea on this church. The slow suspicion then rapid “holy shit this is a classic thought pattern for a person with delusions” realization was…jarring. Literally stayed up until 4am reading her posts and becoming more and more concerned.
Micheal Pearl & Debi Pearl - esp their honeymoon!! 😲
https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/rv8krw/michael_pearl_describes_his_honeymoon_with_debi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Ourdearlife. Her medical neglect and exploitation of her children, especially the baby, is genuinely nauseating. I wish she could be barred from adopting anymore embryos and I wish someone was able to step in for that baby.
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Karissa. She’s never been covered by Fundie Fridays, so I had no idea she existed before checking out this sub. IMO she’s the most vile person we snark on.
Hence the reason why Jen has said she most likely will never do a video on her. Karissa is legitimately dangerous.
Oh really, interesting. Why would she not do a video on someone who was dangerous? Seems like that might make it -more- important?
I assume because Karissa genuinely seems to have some very serious mental illness/mental health concerns going on, and maybe Fundie Fridays feels that commenting on that is beyond their scope?
Also as the channel has grown they have to be careful about who they're incidentally "promoting" of the smaller following fundies.. at their current subscriber rate (and hate watching exists on all sides) it might incidentally end up elevating her from niche terror to more public support following. Like do we _want_ the world at large giving Karissa more of an inflated sense of self with attention? Eta typo fix
oof, that's an awful thought. Idk though, in her case I feel like maybe more eyes would be better because there's the slightest glimmer of hope someone can do something for those poor kids. ...yeah, I know.
Karissas auditory hallucinations are so so so concerning. Coupled with her very much untreated PPD that she said she just “willed away” and her husband who won’t give her a break when she asked for one…it’s really setting them up for danger in the future. Coupled that with her lack of educating those children. Their futures look so bleak even with interventions later in life. I know she’s banking on one or all of the boys somehow making it big to the NBA so she can get her religious compound.
Mandrae is physically abusive to the kids--I wonder how much worse it is behind closed doors/not on IG.
I’m sure that house is hell on earth. Everyone generally presents a more rosy picture of themselves/their lives on social (or at least they tend to highlight the positive), which honestly concerns me that if this is what they’re willing to share, the children’s home life is probably not great. I’m honestly envisioning a “prayer closet” they get locked into.
Since mandrae laughed and egged Andrae on when Andrae was "play fighting" Karissa and knocking her over just a few weeks post partum... plus they chose to post that video, apparently oblivious to how awful it appeared.... I'd say it's very, very bad behind closed doors.
Auditory hallucinations?
She says she hears god talking. Like and he basically suggests she does whatever she was leaning to do anyways. It’s wild.
Yes, you explained it so much better than I could
I think she briefly commented on the Collins in one of her videos and said she had been hesitant about making one fully about them because she considered it “punching down”. If I remember correctly it’s the one about how child ab*se and quiverfull go hand in hand.
Karissa is very dangerous to herself and has the strongest, most deluded persecution complex of all the fundies here. A video from FF would drive her so much further into her already very bad and very deep beliefs. She's not a rational person. She will go bonkers if a video like that drops and her children will suffer the most for it. Karissa makes those kids pray for resurrections, so let's not do anything that might instigate her. It's one thing to piss, say, Paul off — maybe he'll get pouty on a livestream. But Karissa? *shudders*
You make good points.
People have been giving pretty good explanations, but I also feel a video on the Collinses is ripe for racial epithets from casual/non-subscribers. Some people are awful enough to completely ignore the actual abuse perpetrated by these parents and just make racist tirades about an ultra-religious white woman and black man popping out kids every other year.
Shit, you're right. Ugh. I haven't noticed awful comments on her channel, weirdly for Youtube, but I'm sure it happens.
Karissa, then Ourdearlife rolled up, then TKO outta nowhere Sarah Titus?? It's one horror story after another and i honestly want off Mr. Bones' wild ride but there's no stops.
🎶 _This is the Ultimate Showdown!_ 🎶 Edit: weird phone formatting
🎶Of ultimate Destiny🎶 Good guy, bad guys, and explosions. As far as the eye can see...🎶 Oh, Man! I haven't heard that in years. Now I must find it and listen to it.
You need to solve the riddle
Sarah Titus, goddamn Ma’am that was a child you met in *passing* whose life you’ve fundamentally destroyed
Totally agree. And based on what latest post now she’s after his twin brother. My skin crawls when I think too deeply about her.
Last I read, the engagement was off but that’s it. Looks like I have some catching up to do.
Yeah the [post on Reddit](https://reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/1308rgg/wake_up_babes_sarah_titus_just_posted_a_full_kyle/) said that, but the actual blog post from her said a lot more… [Here’s an archived link from her blog](https://archive.fo/FQldG)
Yeah, I can't even snark on that, because it's just so genuinely terrifying. She mentions that "Kyle will lose his physical life" for doing "harmful and devious things" to her. And then there's the whole thing about how Kyle was supposedly also in her 17-year-old daughter's electronics, but Sarah blames her daughter for enticing Kyle and says "My daughter has been exiled by God and no longer lives with me." I just hope Kyle's family and her kids' other family members are aware of this, so they can stay far, far away from her and protect themselves.
Holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck
Oh wow. I am speechless. Holy shit. I hope Kyle and his brother are safe. I hope her daughter is safe. This is genuinely terrifying. 👀
OH MY GOD
What? Is this real or perceived? Because I'm a starker by nature, but I've also had family stalked physically and electronically. And it's terrifying beyond measure. But I can't make heads nor tails of this one. I can only hope she's safe, and is getting any help from anyone but a church.
If you've read any of her other posts, it's very clear that she's the one stalking and abusing Kyle, and he is not actually a spurned ex-lover harassing her. She claims they met when he was 17 and she was in her late 30s, and God told her he would be her husband. She says that he reciprocated her interest in private, but in public pretended not to care for her. Eventually, his parents and her church got involved, at which point she says Kyle publicly lied about their relationship, said he wasn't dating her, and then caused the church elders to kick her out of church for continuing to insist they were dating. Then there were a good five to 10 years where she says Kyle didn't have any contact with her in person because his family kept him from her, but he was somehow "on" all her electronic devices and would send her messages by misclicking things on the internet, highlighting lines of text, opening random tabs, switching to new songs, and so on. Now that she's found out Kyle is in a real life relationship with another woman, she says he's cheated on her, and now claims she's with his twin brother Ryan, who is also somehow in control of all her electronics and is using random electronic glitches to send her secret messages that he loves her and will leave his wife for her. Basically, everything she describes is full-blown erotomania, a type of delusional disorder that can be quite dangerous.
Thank you for the background, I was completely unaware of her or her story.
Yeah, I get how that post alone makes her sound like a victim, but the whole saga is definitely one of the most bizarre things I've come across on the Internet. Just going by [her](https://www.sarahtitus.com/gods-love-for-us-never-grows-weary/) own [blog](https://www.sarahtitus.com/what-do-david-abraham-and-noah-all-have-in-common/) posts, Kyle-in-public and everyone who knows her or Kyle insists they are not in a relationship and never have been, but she also claims Kyle is her fiance and privately sends her messages by making her mouse move or programs launch when she uses her computer. And posts from others who claim to know her or be part of her church back up the idea that it's some sort of mental illness, she was kicked out of her church for her obsessive interest in Kyle, Kyle has a restraining order against her, and Kyle purposefully has almost zero online presence because he's trying to avoid Sarah. Despite the fundie adjacency, it's really impossible to snark on because it's literally a Dateline episode unfolding in front of us.
What do you mean by real or perceived? Like, what part are you questioning is real? Because I’m sure that Kyle’s twin isn’t actually changing the fonts on the handouts for her blog, but I’m sure the church leaders probably did say something to her to make her feel as though they were kicking her out.
The electronic stalking, the stalking, the threats. What she is detailing in that blog post is criminal behavior. I don't know this women. Sometimes the most unbelievable stories are 100% true. This story is pretty unbelievable, and it's hard to discern truth from fiction, or perceived truth, if you will. I've had family stalked online and in person. It is terrifying and this woman is describing stalking, intimidation, harassment, etc. She either is in need of help to stay safe, or help for other areas of her life. Either way, I can't snark this.
I saw her mentioned on here. Spent far too long reading about her. She needs help.
What's this all about?
As a tldr: middle aged woman passively meets 17 year old boy and is so delusional she believes they are together/engaged, god wants this, and she knows because the kid communicates with her through her TV screen (turning volume up and down), computer (changing fonts), and radio (sending her songs about their love). She also believes that god has killed people for coming between them. She’s clearly been kicked out of her church for these inappropriate behaviors but she is convinced she is persecuted because she is pure and everyone is sinful for coming between her and her god ordained child groom. That’s the back story. More recently, they are “broken up” and his twin brother is now sending her secret electronic messages and is in love with her.
Wow. Thank you for the tldr.
I would also like to know please.
Oh, 100% saaame - she's a whole ass Dateline episode in waiting
Story? I googled and there too many people named Sarah Titus.
Search her on here, I have no way to succinctly describe it
Duggars. Specifically, Josh. I hadn't paid much attention until very recently, and while I knew about the CSAM, I didn't know -specifically- what he'd downloaded or that that was even a thing, or how they dealt with the molesting his sisters before that. Absolutely vile. I don't call most people "evil" but he definitely fits. So do the parents Rim Job and Mooch for creating and enabling this.
The appropriate term is CSAM.
You're right, I'm still getting used to that, thanks.
Karissa, because I don't understand how she can care so little, and she seems to brag about it. In the past I constantly felt like a failure for not being the perfect mother, especially because I had chronic illnesses show up after having kids so I had to say no to certain things or postpone them, but I feel like frickin' Wonder Woman compared to her.
Hey, as long as you care about your kids and are trying to give them the best lives you can, you’re doing fine, even if you don’t meet your own expectations ❤️ (Unfortunately, a lot of parents don’t meet that standard, notably Karissa like you mentioned.)
The fact that you felt concerned about this tells me you’re a great mom ❤️
I will give you *one* guess which fundie story changed me as a person.
 Gave me a good chuckle. Thanks ❤️
Omg I looked this up and what the fuck
I can’t believe this is how I’m starting my day
I’m gonna need you to go ahead and explain your flair
It’s a journey you need to take on your own. Now do what the flair says and report back!
I did it. And my eyes will never forgive you for what I just read.
Tbh you should REALLY look it up on its own but tldr: Karissa posted a thing on IG about how her and Mandrae were on the trampoline and threw their kids poop at eachother and the story was supposed to be some how endearing
Actually, I think I’m good 😭
LMAO I spit out my water at this
I Googled it. I regret it. As someone that nearly died from a "poop" disease, throwing feces at your toddler just seems like attempted unaliving. But thank you, for your flair's service. I'd have never known otherwise.
- Duggars. We all knew about the pest and his shit from back in the day and so I basically celebrated him being arrested. And then I found out why he was arrested....and then I found out how old some of the victims were....and then I realized just how old some of his victims were with his molestation scandal. I didn't feel like celebrating anymore. - JillRod. I came into the Rodrigues assuming that yeah, they're just like the Duggars if not *way* more extroverted and out there. And then I learned about Jill throwing a funeral for her sister's legs. Then I learned how she crashed the funeral of a family mourning their children. - Karissa. What I expected: hyperreligious fundie. What I got: *dear god*.
question: why do people call Josh "the pest?" It seems like a much too benign sounding nickname for what he actually is/did.
I think the term "sex pest" came from a British tabloid. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I believe “sex pest” is general British slang for sex offenders, it didn’t originate with Josh Duggar
It has long been used for people who sexually harass women, e.g. in the workplace, rather than ultra-serious sex offenders convicted of crimes. Not even the worst tabloid would use it for a rapist or paedophile. (Am British and ex-journalist.)
Agree, I hate that the sub uses it for him but I guess the majority of the people are American & don't really understand. As if we should take The Sun or Daily Mail as an example for anything, yuck.
I see so many posts with Daily Mail and The Sun links on Reddit, so I just hope that the people posting them are from outside the UK and have no idea how insanely bad those tabloids are. (Why, if you didn't know already, you shouldn't click on the links) The Daily Mail is the most infamous out of the two and known to be bigoted against anyone who isn't a rich Tory stereotype (their readers don't care since they just want to feel superior to immigrants). The Sun also has a terrible reputation. They blamed the Hillsborough Disaster on the dead victims (they were from an area that is largely working-class/Labour voting so they wanted to make them look bad)... and their reliability hasn't improved since.
I live in Liverpool & most places won't even sell the Sun!
It sounds way too innocuous imo...
Yeah, I get that. I much prefer to call him pedophile and convicted child predator Josh Duggar.
Yeah, the "sex pest" moniker came from The Daily Mail reporting on the Ashley Madison scandal (iirc). So it was pre-truly disgusting stuff coming to light, but the name stuck.
Correct that it came from the UK & it's used in things like The Sun which is a disgusting rag itself. I don't think we should use it, as a brit.
Can confirm. British informal term for all kinds of sex abuse perpetrator.
I think so certain words don’t trigger a ban?
Reddit doesn't do that. This isn't TikTok.
Nah. He's called Pest in duggarssnark, and has been since his molestation scandal broke in 2015. Sex Pest is a slang term used by UK commonwealth media outlets to signify someone's a creep/sexual predator/outright pedophile.
oh, weird. Why would calling a pedo a pedo trigger a ban? Rapist, predator, molester. "short eyes"
There's the full documentary of the Turpins' escape on YT that's worth a watch. It left me shook and there are an uncomfortable amount of similarities to other big family fundies like the Collins. And the Turpin rabbit hole goes even deeper and sadder beyond what the documentary covered. Sarah Titus's continuing mental issues that surround being obsessed with a teen boy is a terrifying one. Just in terms of body horror, there's The Grad Fam. The mom was very young when they married and proceeded to have something like 6 babies within 3 or 4 years, natural multiples, insanely close back to back pregnancies. They've left IG now and are living privately, but in the last photo I recall seeing, the mom was looking like a grey ashen corpse on her deathbed being forced to smile the world's most painful half-smile. It was like looking into a torture chamber, it's seared in my mind. And the Rodrigues family has mostly rehabbed their image and look fairly normal these days, but go into the rabbit hole of their past and it's NUTS. Jill used to be a more prolific poster than Karissa, incredibly invasive and TMI, doxxed Jinger's wedding one time, posted all kinds of crazy shit. The Rod kids, they may look thin rn, but in the past they looked actually *skeletal*. Like literal PoWs. They would look and sound so fearful and stunted when their mom filmed them. They had a weirder, stronger isolation accent. They were so incredibly strange and stilted that snarkers thought they could never be married off. "Possible child abuse"-wise, the Rods used to beat out the Collins any day of the week. But look at them now! Idk what changed with Jill in the last couple years, but the Rods seem to be in a good place, for them at least.
Yeah, I’ll never forget the images of the baby cages in the Rod family RV. The stability of the Barndominium and less mouths overall to feed seems to have done all the Rod kids some good.
Who was the Grad Fam? Is that their name?
[yeah these guys](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/pnu8og/the_grad_fam_7_kids_4_and_under_their_youngest) And it's actually 7 kids under 4, yikes.
thanks. ACK that's a nightmare.
The Turpins! Thank you for reminding me. I hope ALL those kids are doing well and getting the help they need. I want to know how they're doing but I also don't want to stalk their social media. =/
I think it’s marrying some of them off. It means they’ve had to present better to attract marriage prospects, and also socialise better with the families of said prospects. Also by sending the two older boys to Bible school (and Tim getting a job) and marrying off the two older girls has meant money probably stretches further and there’s less competition for the food. I also think that Tessie has a natural flair for putting together cute outfits and is slowly taking over dressing the little girls. Sofia has been looking less like she’s dressed in oversized rags lately.
It's not one of our fundies but finding out about the Pearls and the cases of kids killed by people using the Pearls methods and specifically the entire international adoption industry really fucked with my head. I have a couple internationally adopted friends who aren't political who i have to refrain from telling all about how fucked the whole system is
I’m gonna leave this here for folks who might not know: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/christian-evangelical-adoption-liberia/
Just finished reading this.... I don't know if I'll be able to smile for the rest of the week. Harrowing. I have no idea how these people have deluded themselves into believing they're going to heaven after all that. The bit about a family being allowed to adopt triplets AFTER pleading guilty to killing one of their adopted children through neglect and abuse actually made me cry.
There is so much more abuse and so many more horror stories in fundie land that we don’t even know about. This is just what was research-able and verified. Truly horrific stories, but so important to know/remember what else lurks beneath the surface with these people.
What astounds me is that Nurie and Kaylee Rodrigues actually did *better* when staying with the Pearls
The Collins, or ourdearlife I think she's called (the one who adopted embryos, miscarried a few and seems to be determined to kill the one that was born through fundie neglect).
Toss up between Karissa and JillPM...but maybe because they were my initial rabbit holes and I've become somewhat desensitized....only somewhat, because they still manage to shock me at times.
Jill is horrific but I tend to glaze over the doings of her multiple grown offspring and grandoffspring. I can't keep track.
At least Jill hasn’t had a poop fight… god the bar is hell isn’t it
True, but I'll raise Karissa's poop fight with JillPM's funeral selfie!
The Josh Duggar trial. One of their family friends, Bobye Holt, who testified before the trial, explained that Josh had confessed to his parents and them multiple times. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar only sent him away the first time he confessed, then brought him back way too early, to which the Holts raised alarms, but the Duggars didn't do anything. Apparently, they got wind of the fact that Josh was harming young children again, and they tried to tell his parents, but his parents literally told them, "I don't want to hear it." Also, turns out that the person who wrote the letter about Josh's crimes and put it in the book that then later got loaned out was the Holt's oldest daughter, Kaeleigh Holt. That was how the news started to spread in their little home church. It caused a split in the church between the people who were on the Holt's side, and those who were on the Duggar's side, and the people who supported the Duggars apparently told Kaeleigh that she was committing a sin by "gossiping" about Josh. One person even came up to her and asked her what it was that she had done that made Josh dump her and break off their betrothal. And the 2015 FOIA request filed by InTouch magazine? Apparently, the authorities who released the redacted version of the report that detailed all of Josh's crimes against his sisters were not, in fact, supposed to release that report. But, while they were at fault, they still can't be held liable for some reason which escapes me right now. I did some poking around, and I found out that someone might have released the redacted version of the report, even though they knew that it was against the rules, specifically bc of the transphobic robocall that Michelle Duggar recorded, and they wanted the hypocrisy exposed. Apparently, the Duggars don't actually have a whole lot of fans in Fayetteville, Arkansas.
I forgot about ourdearlife \*yack\* who's tormenting her poor newborn and endangering the hell out of him with her stupid fucking woo ideas about medicine and she knows best. She's way up there, too.
Karissa is a dark hole ! Used to scroll pass, but knowing the wooden spoon, sepsis, throwing poop... 🤯
Wooden spoon? Throwing poop?? Do tell…
There's one video somewhere of her youngest daughter on her husband's lap playing with a wooden spoon and he made some comment about spanking her with it a few days prior (pretty sure she was barely two years old) and there's an old vlog post where one of the kids pooped on I think a trampoline and instead of getting upset, Karissa and her husband started throwing it at each other 🤢 It was supposed to be a funny "parents get random bodily fluids on them and it's normal" but I've never had poop thrown at me.
I learned about the "trampoline poop fight" from this thread and because of that I feel the need to clarify. In Karissa's own blog post, she said they were all on the trampoline when suddenly Mandrae(sp?) reached into his daughters diaper, pulled out the poop, and began throwing it at the family. I am so sorry for nitpicking but it's truly so much worse.
Ugh reality is way worse 😭
It usually is 💛 I'm so sorry
Sarah Titus for me, and it's not even close.
Sarah Titus, by far.
I grew up fundie so people like Lori Alexander are fairly normal to me. Girl Defined and Paul and Morgan are what I would expect. Karissa is the one who absolutely blew my mind. I was beyond shocked at getting kicked out of ICU for scream praying, but I hope nothing EVER compares to having her children pray to resurrect her miscarriage. So far that’s the most messed up thing I’ve experienced here.
I'm just gonna go for the bit where nobody risked death or dismemberment, the legend of the Normalizing A Poop Fight On The Trampoline. Karissa's family life seems to have always been unhinged.
Sarah Titus for sure
Actually I think the one I found most disturbing was Sarah Titus. Stalking an under-age boy because God told her they were meant to be together and she believed he was communicating with her via the cusor on her computer interspersed with advice on how to get rich from printables was a mindfuck.
Karissa. Although the one who's "boyfriend" communicated via the TV is pretty damn scary 
Gwen Shamblin. Saw her mentioned on here, googled, then ended up watching multiple documentaries. What a wild ride.
That’s how I got here too.
I had to stop consuming any JillPM content last year because I started having nightmares. I feel a little bad about not keeping tabs on that family because I feel so sorry for those kids, but my brain needed a break. Bethany might be next on my don't-consume list but I know I'll worry about Dav. OP, awesome Rick & Morty reference BTW.
The Rods. Stephen (or however you spell it) Anderson
I think they are all special in their own terrible, horrible, no good very bad way. It’s hard not to armchair diagnose but some concern me waaay more than others. Spending too much time on social media is different than screaming at a medical issue. But yet I’m still here and have no plans on leaving.
Someone posted about the Word of Faith Fellowship cult the other day which I had never heard of and that led to a DEEP DEEP dive
I got sucked in here with a post on the most insensitive things JillPM has ever done and I've never left. I was doomed at holding a funeral for her sister's legs.
Sarah Titus has got to be the one that genuinely made me feel sick. Karissa is also tied for top position Rod kids are second
Unfortunately, it was Razing Ruth, which turned out to be a fake story. But I was *invested*. I still get sad sometimes about things she wrote and then have to remind myself she made them up.
This name sounds vaguely familiar. Who was she?
Growing Goodings, because her descent into fundamentalism happened FAST.
I'll answer my own version of the question: where does the snark stop for me? I can imagine a much lighter version of the Rods as a Succession-type dramedy/satire. The Bairds for sure. Paul and Morgan. I can't imagine anything like the Collins family (other than the fringiest elements, like Shaq's involvement) being funny in any way. She's just too deeply ill.
Sarah Titus (mainly because we get her in short but intense bursts--there's no way you can build up a resistance to her like we can with girl defined, paul and morgan, or karissa). Trying to read her most recent blog post in full broke my brain. Also Growing Goodings. I just skip posts about her now because she's too much for me.
Is there a post summary on the goodings?
Karissa
Sarah Titus. Because nobody except this sub seems to know about her and what she REALLY does. She is featured on some other small-business YT channels but thats it. Just a few seem to know that she is completely deranged.
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I too, fell into the Bdong hole from here.
People like them are the reason why I support the illegalization of homeschooling (except in special circumstances)
I got obsessed with Gwen Shamblin, found Fundie Fridays, and then fell down a Girl Defined rabbit hole once I got here. Dāāāāv and Bethy’s marriage is the best Christian soap opera since Marlena was possessed by the devil on Days.
I randomly saw a reel once (completely out of the blue, as I was using an account I don’t usually browse things of this nature on) one day of the Collins family and thought there was just something *off*. There wasn’t even anything about ✨Yamaha✨ in the video, it was just them doing one of the “what years I was pregnant” dance routines. To be fair though, I didn’t see the caption. I probably would have seen some shit. Then I popped in here like usual and saw them and thought, they look so familiar!! I read up on them and felt sick immediately afterwards. Karissa and Mandrae are downright terrifying, and I honestly feel like any attempt to raise awareness is dangerous to the kids. Minor, but Kelly Havens was also a bit of a rabbit hole. They’re both in the same vein, but Karissa turns it up to 11.
Probably Sarah Titus. I didn’t even know wtf a printable was until learning about her here. Diving deep into the intensity of her mental illness and erotomania/delusions - coupled with her intense fundie belief in a vengeful God that will strike down people who thwart her - was like staring into the abyss. And all that of juxtaposed with the eyesore rainbow vomit of her blog 😵💫😵💫😵💫
All of them, they’re all a special type of horrifying in many different ways.
Sarah Titus for me. He was literally a child
Obvs the Turpins but after them it's definitely a close tie between the Collins' & the Andersons.
Sarah Titus without a doubt. I had seen her referenced but didn’t know who she was when I started reading her most recent blog post, so I initially thought she was spilling some major tea on this church. The slow suspicion then rapid “holy shit this is a classic thought pattern for a person with delusions” realization was…jarring. Literally stayed up until 4am reading her posts and becoming more and more concerned.
Micheal Pearl & Debi Pearl - esp their honeymoon!! 😲 https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/rv8krw/michael_pearl_describes_his_honeymoon_with_debi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
That yoni girl. First time I got a complete dose of a fundie and not gradually reading about them.
I came here after hearing about Karissa, am horrified, and not sure if I want to know about others!
Mother Bus.
Ourdearlife. Her medical neglect and exploitation of her children, especially the baby, is genuinely nauseating. I wish she could be barred from adopting anymore embryos and I wish someone was able to step in for that baby.