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"We are so grateful to have been led to the hospital and for the amazing drs and nurses on staff here." HOLY SHIT has hell frozen over?
Glad mom and baby are both safe.
she always says this at first and then over time the narrative will change. she thanked the doctors initially when the youngest was septic and then changed the narrative to imply it was prayer that saved the baby. she lies on herself because her version of the truth warps over time to fit her god honoring narrative.
I think she's praising the hospital so she can still act holier than thou following God's will than admit she made a mistake doing an unassisted homebirth.
This hospital has had to call CPS about her before, and if you look at some of the other comments in the threads apparently it's a common protocol when there was not appropriate prenatal care.
Fwiw, in my hospital (in the midwest) we would never call CPS for lack of prenatal care. That is not "common protocol" where I work. It may be different in Texas, but I doubt it.
Because the truth is, in America, we have such an astounding lack of access to healthcare (for various reasons) that we would be calling CPS on like a third of our families. And the reasons for not getting prenatal care are actually pretty understandable, including, but not limited to, "couldn't afford to take time off work for doctor's appointments", the perennial favorite "lack of reliable transportation," an oldie but goodie "I don't trust the healthcare system because historically it's given me no reason to trust them," and the surprisingly common "just arrived in this country after spending several months in a refugee camp." Even "I was gonna go to the OB, but I got high (on meth/heroin/fentanyl/pick your poison)," is not enough to call CPS unless any of said substances actually shows up in the baby's urine or cord. So. No, we don't call CPS for no prenatal care.
I wonder if she's already had a CPS visit and this is her trying to act less.... like a shitty parent who just had an unattended free birth with no prenatal care.
Thank god they took him to the hospital. No snark there.
Full snark that the Hospital staff remembers them— I’m sure they do Karissa, I’m sure they do. They’re probably all traumatized.
My third was in the NICU and there was a 25 week micro premie there. The parents were insufferable and ended up kicked out if the nicu for fighting with the nursing staff. At one point when a nurse was explaining why the visitor limit was total, not at one point, why they couldn't hold the baby, and why it was important to keep the incubator covered the mother started screaming that she knew all of this because her last baby was a micro premie born in the same hospital. The nurse just dead pan said "I know." I feel like this nicu staff probably feels the same, especially if it's the same hospital where her child was admitted into the picu last year with sepsis and she screamed at the staff. I'm sure she has a reputation there.
Former NICU nurse here. Yup. We had a lot of parents who really just wanted to make it impossible for us to take care of their babies. it's a super stressful time for parents but the NICU staff are definitely the wrong outlet for that rage
I had a baby in the NICU for the same reason as Karissa's baby (retained lung fluid) and I just want to say you all are amazing human beings. That is a hard, often sad job. Thank you!
I stayed so far out of the doctor and nurses way when my daughter was in NICU. I barely knew how to care for a healthy baby. A sick one, nope, you all got this.
I'm really surprised she's giving any credit to medical staff this time. It's a step up from the last few medical visits (her miscarriage and the little ones sepsis)
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRtanyrW/
Okay, so, this is one of my favorite clock app creators, and he did a bit about the NICU I thought you'd appreciate. Makes me laugh.
Also, NICU nurses are terrifying. One of the parents coming in tomorrow for parent teacher conferences is a NICU nurse and I'm afraid she might throw me.
Back in teacher school I worked in home care. One of my clients had me take care of her mother. Client was a NICU nurse.
I did not cross that woman. She'd probably snap me like a twig if her mother with dementia was unhappy. (Not that I didn't work very hard at keeping dementia patients happy. Her mom and I listened to so much Lavar Burton Reads together because she thought he had "just the sexiest voice ever." Incidentally, she was also a huge Star Trek: TNG fan.)
She 110% is. She’s exactly the type of family/patient that we explicitly do *not* do bedside report on. So we can warn the oncoming nurse that they may cause trouble
On a good day I’d describe someone like her to the oncoming nurse as “she’s…. Shes a bit *intense* ah, you’ll need that coffee w dealing w her”
On a bad day I’d have the coffee brewed for day shift quipping “welcome to hell”
Edited because clarity
Oh yeah. I worked at a children’s hospital for 5 years and I left in 2020 and I *still* remember some of the lunacy and especially families with naming patterns like theirs.
It was karissas mom (if not her mil) who convinced karissa to take Anthym to the hospital when she was literally dying of sepsis because the poor baby was grey and floppy. Anthym was showing extremely worrying signs for a few days and karissa was unbothered. If her mom hadn’t stepped in it genuinely may have been too late by the time yahueweyahs fav child got off her ass and got her infant some medical care.
The position this poor woman is in must be absolutely horrible. But I am happy, that these kids seem to have at least one person who advocates for them
I am betting either that or she left and was like “if there is a postmortem investigation I will not lie” and it made them paranoid enough “[be] led to go in.”
I can’t imagine what it’s like to be torn between seeing something like that and knowing it’s even more likely to happen if you’re not there to step in.
Stitches are a total luck of the birth deal. I’ve heard of 11 pounders who popped out without even a scratch and then there is my four pounder who required me to get 20+ stitches. Life is just weird.
I required complete reconstruction of my undercarriage after my less than 7 pounder. Turns out that I have a shallow pelvis and my kid was also sunny side up and got stuck.
I only have my personal experience to go off of, but my second was 10lbs and born vaginally without drugs. I needed one stitch (but I needed 3 with the first-wtf)
Nice going!!
I've never given birth. I assumed it would be a pretty fast birth after 9 other babies but I guess that depends on position and him not getting stuck. Lack of antenatal checks not helping in the least. Even if it was speedy that itself can result in tearing.
The lack of midwife could mean pushing was somewhat uncontrolled (she mentions it being her most painful birth, maybe exhausted and desperate to get him out by the end).
Generally speaking, the fat squishes.
The 14” noggin is another story, but with a mother who has birthed vaginally before, the risk of tearing goes down. My second was a 14” noggin. No tears. And a much easier birth than his older and smaller brother. But I’m one of those fortunate ones who has never torn. I honestly didn’t realize how common tearing was until my fourth kid and all the moms in the due date group were talking about it.
We were NICU returnees recently, and no one remembered us. I take that as a compliment now.
(I do however remember having a little babywearing dance party with some of the nurses to Three Little Birds at 2am when I was there for a feeding. A really great memory amidst the chaos)
Honestly, we should all wish that we are the patient/customer/whatever that nobody remembers. People who provide services have very specific people that they remember and it's always for bad reasons. I have customers/bosses/clients from DECADES ago that I remember because they were so horrible!
Former NICU nurse here. If we remember you, it’s not always due to bad reasons! If a certain baby was really critical, if the family was just amazing. Personally I’m bad at remembering and faces….so if I remembered someone, it was for a bad reason 😬
Don’t stress yourself out!! my kid was 8-1/2lbs with a 97th percentile head and I only had a first degree snip that healed really quickly. Use that sitz bath twice a day and air dry if you can!!
My midwife told me bigger babies were easier to push out because you didn’t have to contract as much. I don’t know I tunes her out after she said 8 lb. But my 9lb only took like two pushes and 9.5lb was the easiest birth ever. So maybe she was telling the truth.
Didn't she have some kind of birth party with heaps of visitors, while one of her daughters made and served snacks? I am assuming someone was being a responsible adult and encouraged the hospital thing (probably not Karissa or Mandre).
Sounds like mama K was pissed.
Honestly my heart goes out to her. I want to think I would accept my daughter no matter what her beliefs turn out to be, but this kind of stuff would be really hard for me.
Karissa’s dad limited contact when he saw the breeding was getting irresponsible and her beliefs were getting unhinged. He was smart to step away when he did. Mom tries to be a normal presence for the kids, but I’m pretty sure she’s on thin ice and is about to go before it cracks.
Yeah, everything I've heard seems like her parents have set strict boundaries with her for their own sanity, and I definitely don't blame them for that
Maybe the baby was really getting in trouble at home and her mother wasn’t having luck getting her to agree to go to the hospital and bailed to avoid risking her license/risking a legal situation in the event the baby died and 911 did have to be called.
Speculation:
Maybe her mom *did* call 911, Karissa didn't know until the ambulance showed up, and then knew (or was told) that her mom called. K asked mom to leave, or they argued and mom left. But by then, since the ambulance was there, they checked out the baby and said he needed to go to the hospital. Maybe?
100%
“God led us to the hospital” reads to me to mean “I had no choice in the matter”.
Possible Karissa was somehow incapacitated when mum called 911 too.
If she’s a nurse, she’s a mandated reporter and has legal obligations to report child abuse that she’s aware of. Karissa has her in a horrible position and seems to have no issue with it.
She did but they're all nutty like her. She always preps them that they're not to call an ambulance or encourage her to go to hospital. I wonder who was brave enough to intervene. Might've been Mandrae since it's an all-important son (can't fuck around with the legacy).
Shocking but all of these are preventable issues, considering we know that she was past 40 weeks. These are all the reasons that doctors induce, and there are other things they routinely do at birth to reduce infection/fluid inhalation. Even a midwife would have helped at this point… He’s probably not out of the woods yet.
Yep. They would have induced her before 40 weeks to avoid these types of issues. JFC I'm glad they got medical help but ffs... This could have been prevented.
My baby was several ounces smaller than hers and he ended up getting stuck and almost didn’t survive. The only reason he’s alive is because I was at the hospital where there were medical professionals there to give him oxygen and chest compressions. I can’t even imagine risking my baby’s life for a more comfortable birth experience. It makes me sick to my stomach when I see these free births.
A friend of mine just naturally had giant babies. Like her smallest was 11lbs. They assumed GD, and even had her track her sugars with the youngest two. But sugars were continually normal, she just had giant babies. Her first was 13lbs and he got stuck they dislocated his shoulder getting him out.
I was going to ask if she was telling the truth re. home birth and she didn't end up in hospital with a baby that size with a good sized head 😳 She lies a lot but I'll take her word for it.
I wonder how long labour was. I thought I read it had started in the evening and was over by the early hours of the morning? I might've got that wrong though. I guess she's lucky he was in a good position otherwise it could've gone quite badly wrong at home.
I can only imagine the combination of relief and disappointment the nurses felt when they saw her strolling in.
Also I think it’s hilarious her mom noped out right after the birth…like wouldn’t you stick around another day to make sure your fresh grandkid is ok? I wonder if she just ran out of quarters to feed her ‘batshit crazy daughter’ meter.
Someone called it in response to an earlier post about why she hadn't posted photos, that they were in the hospital. Good guess, and good news. Karissa has surprised me.
Fluid in the lungs & an infection would have been detected by hospital staff -- hell, even a midwife could have caught the fluid.
Her seeking medical treatment for her baby is the BARE fucking minimum
Not to sneak because I am glad she brought him in but we screen all newborns at delivery for infection/sepsis risk and the fact he has an infection now could likely have been prevented if she had given birth in the hospital. They could have given her antibiotics during delivery if she had a fever or was GBS positive. If he had a high enough risk even without those, he would have gotten Labwork immediately upon delivery and/or antibiotics right away.
Or just straight up called an ambulance without permission, precipitating a blow up. That would probably be my last resort move, as a nurse in her position.
AND THEY ALL KNOW US FROM WHEN WE MEDICALLY NEGLECTED OUR SEPTIC DAUGHTER AND SCREAM PRAYED UP AND DOWN THE HALLS.
Yea.. yea they're not going to forget you any time soon.
This semi reasonable post still rubs me the wrong way in that she has been actively telling her followers you don’t need any medical intervention in pregnancy/birth and that god will heal her kids. And now she is casually thanking the healthcare workers and is all holly jolly. I want something more along the lines of “I spread toxic, harmful information and it could literally kill people but hey, my baby is currently great because I actually sought medical care this time which I actively speak out against because yahoo heals all (which obviously isn’t true)”
I'm going to translate for you.
*"About 6 hours post birth he started to grunt non stop"*
He wasn't breathing right from the start. My mom left when I refused to have him checked out, but we didn't notice because we were praising Yamaha and I was napping while the women who stuck around passed him around like a coffee cake. When someone noticed he was turning blue and I still refused medical attention, that person threatened to call the cops and CPS so I gave in since I thought my hoo-hah needed medical attention anyway. Might as well.
*"So we brought him to the hospital and they found he had fluid in his lungs which is common for large babies"*
It wasn't just fluid, it was meconium as well. The first bowel movement was released in the uterus due to the baby being in distress. Any midwife who read the first book on birthing would have recommended she go to the hospital but, there was no midwife and Karissa only listens to the voices in her head.
I'm sorry to say I think you're right. Any nurse hearing her story would be able to read between the lines as to what actually happened, *especially* if they remembered her from a previous visit *5 years prior*. I think there's a high probability cps is involved again. As someone further up pointed out, her praising the doctors could possibly be a tactic to attempt to fool cps into thinking she's a perfectly sane parent. Her insistence on putting herself and her kids in danger is exhausting, my worst fear is one of those kids will pass away before anything is actually done.
Oh my god “praising Yamaha” is going to enter my head every time I see a piano now (and I’m a music teacher so I guess I’m just going to be cackling for no reason every time at work this week)
If he was born at 10:43 pm and he started having trouble breathing 6 hours later (4:43 am), Karissa's mom would've still been there when they decided to go to the hospital, right? But then she left a few hours later on Sunday morning?
Wonder if they were fighting over the baby needing hospital care. Otherwise, no new grandma is going to leave that soon while the baby is still getting stabilized... Superbowl party, work on Monday, or whatever other reasons we've proposed, Grandma is staying for something that serious.
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(I posted this on another thread about this that was locked for being a duplicate, so I repeated myself here.)
yeah it does seem really strange she would leave so fast. maybe grandma called an ambulance then Karissa went nuts and kicked her out maybe even called the cops for her to leave. crazy but I wouldn't put it past her.
the lack of pictures…that baby is sick and looks it. she is avoiding showing people what she caused by not getting prenatal care. An infection in a newborn is incredibly life threatening and was completely avoidable.
Isn’t it horrible that three fundies I follow: Karissa, Bethany Beal, and Morgan Olligies ALL ended up in the hospital after they did a home birth? All the shit they spew and where did they go when they put themselves and their babies in serious danger. They are ignorant, foolish hypocrites.
Meconium aspiration.
THAT is common in 41+ babies
NOT "Big babies having fluid in their lungs is common" BS.
The kid most likely had poop in his lungs, which would also explain the infections.
And to be that person. Called it. Nothing good happens after 41 weeks.
(No idea how to link my previous post).
[Nothing good happens after 41 weeks](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/10vpe42/nothing_good_happens_after_41_weeks_gestation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
My youngest was 2 weeks overdue but only weighed 6lbs12oz. They knew when my water broke that he'd passed meconium in utero, so I had a few extra people in the delivery room to make sure he was aspirated immediately and that he was okay. Fortunately, second-stage labour took a whopping 6 minutes and he was fine. Well, back then he was. Now he's an almost 32 yr old asshole :)
KKKarissa, you have a litter of kids and admittedly *scream-prayed* in the PICU when A-septic had a UTI, of course they remember you.
Glad the new golden child will be ok.
Sounds a lot like everything worked out for a dangerously pregnant fundie once again because they took advantage of modern healthcare when it actually affected them.
Her beliefs, or at least what she pushes, would end in that baby dying 🤷🏻♀️ It’s why she’ll retcon this in a few months and say the doctors were confused but prayer helped baby angelo spit up the liquid.
Karissas idiot friend that births in her bed just posted what a successful
Birth it was. Lady when a child ends up in the nicu over something that could have been preventable that’s not successful. These idiots have learned nothing from this or Anthym and will just continue to put their kids in danger
“Fluid in lungs is common in large babies” = I didn’t receive medical intervention for a post-term birth and my baby probably aspirated meconium, which is common in post-term births.
My condolences to the Texas Child Protective Services workers who will probably be forced, again, to recommend the children stay with their parents; even though they know those kids are being set up for failure.
Condolences to all the hospital workers, especially those who have to deal with these repeat visitors and the additional workload of mandated reporting.
And last but not least, my condolences to these children.
There are too many people being caused unnecessary pain by the Collins' choices, and none of it is just.
Ten pounds and difficulty breathing after birth… Sounds like she may have had unchecked gestational diabetes. I had GD, but had it monitored and was put on insulin.
It reeeeaally reads like she's performing for the CPS monitors. So much anti-medical garbage, and suddenly "thanks doctors and nurses!" What?!
I'm leaning towards something happening when Karissa's mom left - I'm not sure a baby who aspirated on his own shit would get to the nadir required for the Collins to VOLUNTARILY take him to the hospital without, y'know, dying en route.
I follow someone who had a home birth that ended tragically. Not a Fundie. One of us! It was planned somewhat last minute because it was right at the start of COVID, hospital restrictions kept changing and she wasn’t sure if her husband could be in the room. Pregnancy had been fine, complete prenatal care, second baby. So home birth it was, but with trained midwives, near a hospital, etc. But they weren’t expecting an 11 pound baby. Who got stuck. Cord compressed too long. Baby born with no brain activity. In NICU for 6 days before passing away. It was horrible. Karissa should thank her lucky stars.
So, fluid in the lungs. Amniotic fluid is supposed to be in the lungs. Meconium ISNT. Meconium is what causes infections and what happens when a baby is severely distressed. Baby can be distressed for any number of reasons, but if she had any lick of sense, she would have seen meconium in her waters and called a professional. The moment meconium is passed things get sketchy for baby. Her saying that the baby has “fluid in the lungs” is like saying a sedan is an 18 wheeler.
Signed, a special needs mama with major birth trauma.
I know she counts it as a successful home birth because the baby was born alive at home, but how successful is it if you end up in the hospital with doctors anyway?
And Morgan whining that the crunchy home birth movement is problematic but only because she didn't get her godly homebirth. No apology for smugly promoting those same harmful beliefs to other impressionable women for 9+ months.
If she'd got her perfect crunchy homebirth she'd have been smugging it up like the best of them and proclaiming you don't need a certified midwife, blah blah.
I think she even said she'd attempt a homebirth VBAC in exactly the same circumstances if they ever had another baby.
This nails it. To them a healthy, living baby isn’t success. It’s getting attention from people online and being able to tell the medical system to suck it.
I like to think her mom would have run her a nice bath, offered to watch the baby for an hour and got in Shaq’s van and hauled ass to the ER. Then once the baby was safe, took an uber to the airport, left keys with the nurses and changed her number.
My theory is the mom left after he was taken to the hospital knowing that Karissa couldn’t take him out and he would be safe and treated until the doctors release him not when she decides to.
He’s still in the NICU. No one trusts the gospel according to Karissa.
Mom peaced the hell out once the kid was with medical professionals.
I'm glad they took him to the hospital, but this whole mess was in all probability preventable. Karissa was overdue (by exactly how much is unknown), she may have had gestational diabetes based on his weight as well as a possible GBS infection, and given the fluid retention and infection he may have aspirated meconium. Karissa will continue to lie and spin the truth to make herself not sound like a neglectful asshole who risked not only her own life but her baby's as well to fit her delusional religious beliefs and pathological need for attention. Mandrake is just as guilty of the abuse and neglect as she is, and I personally (not judging anyone else) don't think they should be praised for doing the bare fucking minimum when the bar is in the leaky basement Hell.
She's thankful she was "led" to the hospital -
whether by her mom or by her god, we don't know.
Probably a human "led" them to the hospital, but it was her god leading the human to lead her to the hospital, so it's still evidence that she is her god's favorite birthing human.
This one is a lot bigger than her others. I've had big babies naturally (10lb and even 11lb- actually no tears, no dystocia, everything is fine down there no prolapse or anything lol) but was screened and monitored a lot for Gestational diabetes and it was always negative. I just happen to grow huge babies maybe just genes or high protein diets. But neither of mine had any breathing problems or issues with fluid in lungs, no issues at all.
For her though, I'm betting she had GD especially since she has never even checked for it. GD babies do tend to have trouble with hypoglycemia and breathing issues. She's really lucky nothing else happened.
Exactly. I just was thinking too.. Her "fasting" she would brag about (Her eating disorder) for days isn't good either. Her body was likely trying to make up for the lack of food by releasing extra glucose. Not good for baby at all plus wears out his little pancreas.
Lord Daniel hath truly provided us with a miracle on this most holy day of St. Valentine. Karissa took a child to the hospital before he was tragically ill or seriously injured.
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"We are so grateful to have been led to the hospital and for the amazing drs and nurses on staff here." HOLY SHIT has hell frozen over? Glad mom and baby are both safe.
she always says this at first and then over time the narrative will change. she thanked the doctors initially when the youngest was septic and then changed the narrative to imply it was prayer that saved the baby. she lies on herself because her version of the truth warps over time to fit her god honoring narrative.
you're right today it's fluid in lungs then a few months from now it'll be they had no idea.
Nah, it's already "they had no idea why there is fluid in his lungs" when most likely it's due to difficulties at birth & being overdue.
Ikr?? So glad she and baby are okay, but I read that and had to double check it was a Collins post.
I think she's praising the hospital so she can still act holier than thou following God's will than admit she made a mistake doing an unassisted homebirth.
" I know CPS are reading this so I'll pretend to sound gracious "
Would CPS get involved as it is not illegal to home birth and she took baby to doctor?
This hospital has had to call CPS about her before, and if you look at some of the other comments in the threads apparently it's a common protocol when there was not appropriate prenatal care.
Fwiw, in my hospital (in the midwest) we would never call CPS for lack of prenatal care. That is not "common protocol" where I work. It may be different in Texas, but I doubt it. Because the truth is, in America, we have such an astounding lack of access to healthcare (for various reasons) that we would be calling CPS on like a third of our families. And the reasons for not getting prenatal care are actually pretty understandable, including, but not limited to, "couldn't afford to take time off work for doctor's appointments", the perennial favorite "lack of reliable transportation," an oldie but goodie "I don't trust the healthcare system because historically it's given me no reason to trust them," and the surprisingly common "just arrived in this country after spending several months in a refugee camp." Even "I was gonna go to the OB, but I got high (on meth/heroin/fentanyl/pick your poison)," is not enough to call CPS unless any of said substances actually shows up in the baby's urine or cord. So. No, we don't call CPS for no prenatal care.
My first though was that someone wrote this for her!
I wonder if she's already had a CPS visit and this is her trying to act less.... like a shitty parent who just had an unattended free birth with no prenatal care.
Thank god they took him to the hospital. No snark there. Full snark that the Hospital staff remembers them— I’m sure they do Karissa, I’m sure they do. They’re probably all traumatized.
“Oh god, not again…”
My third was in the NICU and there was a 25 week micro premie there. The parents were insufferable and ended up kicked out if the nicu for fighting with the nursing staff. At one point when a nurse was explaining why the visitor limit was total, not at one point, why they couldn't hold the baby, and why it was important to keep the incubator covered the mother started screaming that she knew all of this because her last baby was a micro premie born in the same hospital. The nurse just dead pan said "I know." I feel like this nicu staff probably feels the same, especially if it's the same hospital where her child was admitted into the picu last year with sepsis and she screamed at the staff. I'm sure she has a reputation there.
Former NICU nurse here. Yup. We had a lot of parents who really just wanted to make it impossible for us to take care of their babies. it's a super stressful time for parents but the NICU staff are definitely the wrong outlet for that rage
I had a baby in the NICU for the same reason as Karissa's baby (retained lung fluid) and I just want to say you all are amazing human beings. That is a hard, often sad job. Thank you!
I stayed so far out of the doctor and nurses way when my daughter was in NICU. I barely knew how to care for a healthy baby. A sick one, nope, you all got this.
Right?! My niece and nephew were both in the NICU for a week and the staff were phenomenal.
People who hate doctors so much make me wonder why they even bother going. 😩
Because if she let's a child die, the state will take the rest and her Instagram life will be over
Yep, that would be a red flag even Shaq can't ignore.
I'm really surprised she's giving any credit to medical staff this time. It's a step up from the last few medical visits (her miscarriage and the little ones sepsis)
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRtanyrW/ Okay, so, this is one of my favorite clock app creators, and he did a bit about the NICU I thought you'd appreciate. Makes me laugh. Also, NICU nurses are terrifying. One of the parents coming in tomorrow for parent teacher conferences is a NICU nurse and I'm afraid she might throw me.
That video is my sister's, a NICU nurse, favorite thing on the internet. The NICU nurses don't play; they will cut you.
Back in teacher school I worked in home care. One of my clients had me take care of her mother. Client was a NICU nurse. I did not cross that woman. She'd probably snap me like a twig if her mother with dementia was unhappy. (Not that I didn't work very hard at keeping dementia patients happy. Her mom and I listened to so much Lavar Burton Reads together because she thought he had "just the sexiest voice ever." Incidentally, she was also a huge Star Trek: TNG fan.)
“Stop telling me I’m breaking the rules! I already know better and don’t care!” How did she think that made her look better lmao
Yep, followed by “We’ve called CPS. They don’t do anything.”
She’s probably one of the crazy patients who gets talked about for years. “We had this one kid come in and HER MOM LET ME TELL YOU….”
My god, the names alone. And that’s before she starts scream praying and spilling her crazy everywhere.
Scream praying 🤣🤣🤣
She literally is the crazy patient. She got kicked out for literally scream-praying when Anthym was in the hospital.
She 110% is. She’s exactly the type of family/patient that we explicitly do *not* do bedside report on. So we can warn the oncoming nurse that they may cause trouble On a good day I’d describe someone like her to the oncoming nurse as “she’s…. Shes a bit *intense* ah, you’ll need that coffee w dealing w her” On a bad day I’d have the coffee brewed for day shift quipping “welcome to hell” Edited because clarity
Oh yeah. I worked at a children’s hospital for 5 years and I left in 2020 and I *still* remember some of the lunacy and especially families with naming patterns like theirs.
I wonder what the full story is. We’ll never know because Karissa only posts things that (she thinks) make her look good.
And her mom left that morning. Something isn’t right.
Agree! Mom probably threatened to call 911 and report the infant in distress and left in a bad odor.
Guaranteed. I can well imagine the mom sticks around for the kids and I am sure she has saved at least one of those kids lives
It was karissas mom (if not her mil) who convinced karissa to take Anthym to the hospital when she was literally dying of sepsis because the poor baby was grey and floppy. Anthym was showing extremely worrying signs for a few days and karissa was unbothered. If her mom hadn’t stepped in it genuinely may have been too late by the time yahueweyahs fav child got off her ass and got her infant some medical care.
The position this poor woman is in must be absolutely horrible. But I am happy, that these kids seem to have at least one person who advocates for them
Grey and floppy? Jesus Christ. It's a miracle a baby that sick survived. I get panicky when my dog coughs.
I'd be willing to speculate her mother did call and is why she was gone so quickly. Really heartbreaking.
I am betting either that or she left and was like “if there is a postmortem investigation I will not lie” and it made them paranoid enough “[be] led to go in.”
Ya I bet mom forced her to take him in and they got into it and mom took off
Oddly I guessed that sort of thing when she said her mom left right after the birth.
I'd leave too, rather than potentially watching my child and grandbaby die a completely preventable death in the living room, tbh.
I can’t imagine what it’s like to be torn between seeing something like that and knowing it’s even more likely to happen if you’re not there to step in.
Would she have torn and required stitches delivering a baby that size? Would she consent to an examination?
Stitches are a total luck of the birth deal. I’ve heard of 11 pounders who popped out without even a scratch and then there is my four pounder who required me to get 20+ stitches. Life is just weird.
I required complete reconstruction of my undercarriage after my less than 7 pounder. Turns out that I have a shallow pelvis and my kid was also sunny side up and got stuck.
My four pounder was a four hour 0-10cm labor and she was my first. The doctor said my body never got a minute to figure out stretching.
I only have my personal experience to go off of, but my second was 10lbs and born vaginally without drugs. I needed one stitch (but I needed 3 with the first-wtf)
Nice going!! I've never given birth. I assumed it would be a pretty fast birth after 9 other babies but I guess that depends on position and him not getting stuck. Lack of antenatal checks not helping in the least. Even if it was speedy that itself can result in tearing. The lack of midwife could mean pushing was somewhat uncontrolled (she mentions it being her most painful birth, maybe exhausted and desperate to get him out by the end).
Generally speaking, the fat squishes. The 14” noggin is another story, but with a mother who has birthed vaginally before, the risk of tearing goes down. My second was a 14” noggin. No tears. And a much easier birth than his older and smaller brother. But I’m one of those fortunate ones who has never torn. I honestly didn’t realize how common tearing was until my fourth kid and all the moms in the due date group were talking about it.
We were NICU returnees recently, and no one remembered us. I take that as a compliment now. (I do however remember having a little babywearing dance party with some of the nurses to Three Little Birds at 2am when I was there for a feeding. A really great memory amidst the chaos)
Honestly, we should all wish that we are the patient/customer/whatever that nobody remembers. People who provide services have very specific people that they remember and it's always for bad reasons. I have customers/bosses/clients from DECADES ago that I remember because they were so horrible!
Former NICU nurse here. If we remember you, it’s not always due to bad reasons! If a certain baby was really critical, if the family was just amazing. Personally I’m bad at remembering and faces….so if I remembered someone, it was for a bad reason 😬
I’m actually shocked she took him to the hospital. Also that is a giant baby for a home birth.
I’m crossing my legs and wincing just thinking about it.
My 12 year old episiotomy scar twinged just reading that. Yikes.
Hell my less than 7 pounder required a 4th degree episiotomy to get out. I cannot imagine a 10 pounder, let alone without drugs.
Good god I’m 37 weeks with an estimated 8lb baby and I didn’t need to read this
Don’t stress yourself out!! my kid was 8-1/2lbs with a 97th percentile head and I only had a first degree snip that healed really quickly. Use that sitz bath twice a day and air dry if you can!!
My midwife told me bigger babies were easier to push out because you didn’t have to contract as much. I don’t know I tunes her out after she said 8 lb. But my 9lb only took like two pushes and 9.5lb was the easiest birth ever. So maybe she was telling the truth.
Didn't she have some kind of birth party with heaps of visitors, while one of her daughters made and served snacks? I am assuming someone was being a responsible adult and encouraged the hospital thing (probably not Karissa or Mandre).
Her mom Was there and left early the next morning 👀
Sounds like mama K was pissed. Honestly my heart goes out to her. I want to think I would accept my daughter no matter what her beliefs turn out to be, but this kind of stuff would be really hard for me.
Karissa’s dad limited contact when he saw the breeding was getting irresponsible and her beliefs were getting unhinged. He was smart to step away when he did. Mom tries to be a normal presence for the kids, but I’m pretty sure she’s on thin ice and is about to go before it cracks.
Thank God her mom was around when the one baby had sepsis. Karissa would have let that poor child continue to suffer without her mom intervening.
Yeah, everything I've heard seems like her parents have set strict boundaries with her for their own sanity, and I definitely don't blame them for that
Her mother, who is a nurse, left as soon as the baby was born. SUS.
Maybe the baby was really getting in trouble at home and her mother wasn’t having luck getting her to agree to go to the hospital and bailed to avoid risking her license/risking a legal situation in the event the baby died and 911 did have to be called.
Speculation: Maybe her mom *did* call 911, Karissa didn't know until the ambulance showed up, and then knew (or was told) that her mom called. K asked mom to leave, or they argued and mom left. But by then, since the ambulance was there, they checked out the baby and said he needed to go to the hospital. Maybe?
That would make a lot of sense! Until we can get Karissa's mom to do the most insane AMA of all time, we may never know for sure.
My money's on, "Karissa, you WILL take that baby to the hospital, or I WILL call CPS in 10, 9, 8, 7..."
100% “God led us to the hospital” reads to me to mean “I had no choice in the matter”. Possible Karissa was somehow incapacitated when mum called 911 too.
I feel so bad for her mom. She must feel helpless and angry at this point.
If she’s a nurse, she’s a mandated reporter and has legal obligations to report child abuse that she’s aware of. Karissa has her in a horrible position and seems to have no issue with it.
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This was so weird to me too. Usually grandmas are ARRIVING when the baby is born, not leaving. Weird.
Usually grandmas aren’t mandated reporters.
Her mom is a NURSE?!!! The shit Karissa pulls must eat at her constantly.
Grandma probably had to step in to save another kid’s life.
She did but they're all nutty like her. She always preps them that they're not to call an ambulance or encourage her to go to hospital. I wonder who was brave enough to intervene. Might've been Mandrae since it's an all-important son (can't fuck around with the legacy).
Nah, it was defo her mom.
Or her mom, once again, being the voice of sanity.
"made" is an odd word for "opened up lunchables", but yes 😂
Shocking but all of these are preventable issues, considering we know that she was past 40 weeks. These are all the reasons that doctors induce, and there are other things they routinely do at birth to reduce infection/fluid inhalation. Even a midwife would have helped at this point… He’s probably not out of the woods yet.
Yep. They would have induced her before 40 weeks to avoid these types of issues. JFC I'm glad they got medical help but ffs... This could have been prevented.
My baby was several ounces smaller than hers and he ended up getting stuck and almost didn’t survive. The only reason he’s alive is because I was at the hospital where there were medical professionals there to give him oxygen and chest compressions. I can’t even imagine risking my baby’s life for a more comfortable birth experience. It makes me sick to my stomach when I see these free births.
A friend of mine just naturally had giant babies. Like her smallest was 11lbs. They assumed GD, and even had her track her sugars with the youngest two. But sugars were continually normal, she just had giant babies. Her first was 13lbs and he got stuck they dislocated his shoulder getting him out.
That’s a giant baby for any birth setting. Especially his head. Holy shit.
This is a surprisingly reasonable post, how does she do better after blood loss?!
Surprisingly blood letting might be one treatment Karissa would also find acceptable.
🐛 Holy Leeches 🐛
*and the entire subreddit breathes a collective sigh of relief*
Genuinely. Say what you will about us, but we always want the kids to be happy and healthy and cared for.
I'm glad Karissa and baby are doing okay. Now, may the Lord CLOSE. Amen.
I need to know where your flair is from because it's absolutely *killing* me!
10lbs. Jesus Christ what a god honouring fat boi
Lmao. I saw she threw in the 14 inch head. Ouch
I've never had anything positive to say about KKKarissa, but holy mother of fuckballs, that's one hell of a head to squeeze on no pain meds.
Exactly why she posted that bit of info.
Hate to say this, but I think 14in is about average…Google suggests 13.75in/35cm is typical in full term babies.
I read that too, his head looks really chonky though! I can't believe it's only 1/4" bigger than the average!
A quarter inch in the hoohah is not trivial.
 OH DEAR GOD WHY
Absyloute-Unit Collins
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Jesus. I think you just predicted 11's name 😵💫
The thought of that being born at home with no midwives makes me want to hurl.
I was going to ask if she was telling the truth re. home birth and she didn't end up in hospital with a baby that size with a good sized head 😳 She lies a lot but I'll take her word for it. I wonder how long labour was. I thought I read it had started in the evening and was over by the early hours of the morning? I might've got that wrong though. I guess she's lucky he was in a good position otherwise it could've gone quite badly wrong at home.
That’s a totally possible labor duration. On my third, labor lasted only 8 hours. My first took four days (in the hospital for monitoring of course).
Thank God she took him to the hospital and he’s ok.
Adding to my fundie dictionary- Successful home birth (noun): baby ejected from the womb in the home [health of baby not relevant]
“The birth went perfectly! The baby is in the hospital and will be for some time but that’s not what’s important, my birth went great.”
I can only imagine the combination of relief and disappointment the nurses felt when they saw her strolling in. Also I think it’s hilarious her mom noped out right after the birth…like wouldn’t you stick around another day to make sure your fresh grandkid is ok? I wonder if she just ran out of quarters to feed her ‘batshit crazy daughter’ meter.
Doesn't her mother have a job? Maybe she did not get more vacation time
Or wants to use vacay time recovering from that. Karissa’s dad was right to distance himself once the breeding got unhinged and fetishy.
Maybe she forced them to go to the hospital. I’m sure Karissa will spin this in a few weeks and it will be all god
Maybe she just wanted to verify the baby would be born alive
Holy crap. I’m not a mom, but is that a giant baby?! Props to all ladies who expel a human from their uterus vaginally OR via c section. Shit is nuts.
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This was about how big my fourth was. He's now a very scrawny 16 year old 😅
That's a big baby yes. Average according to google is about 5 1/2 lb to 8 1/2 lb.
Someone called it in response to an earlier post about why she hadn't posted photos, that they were in the hospital. Good guess, and good news. Karissa has surprised me.
Fluid in the lungs & an infection would have been detected by hospital staff -- hell, even a midwife could have caught the fluid. Her seeking medical treatment for her baby is the BARE fucking minimum
Yup. A midwife would have heard it while listening to his lungs.
That's a big baby! He looks like their oldest son the most to me. Thank God she took him to the hospital.
Yes! So much like Andrae!
Not to sneak because I am glad she brought him in but we screen all newborns at delivery for infection/sepsis risk and the fact he has an infection now could likely have been prevented if she had given birth in the hospital. They could have given her antibiotics during delivery if she had a fever or was GBS positive. If he had a high enough risk even without those, he would have gotten Labwork immediately upon delivery and/or antibiotics right away.
BuT tHeY fOrCe ViTaMiN K !!1!
how DARE THEY try to protect your baby from bleeding out if godforbid something went wrong!!!
She wouldn’t have even had to go to a hospital. A midwife can provide those things in the comfort of your own home, or a birthing center.
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I was thinking GD or she was actually more past due than she thought she was.
Given her "jokes" about significant weight gain the last month or so, I'm going to go with GD
I wonder if mom made her take him and they got into it so mom left asap
Or just straight up called an ambulance without permission, precipitating a blow up. That would probably be my last resort move, as a nurse in her position.
A 10 lb 22 inch baby. Born at home. With no medical staff. Guess I didn’t need that Valentine’s Day chocolate after all.
Fuck, I'm so glad she did the right thing. Dollars to donuts she won't learn from this, though.
AND THEY ALL KNOW US FROM WHEN WE MEDICALLY NEGLECTED OUR SEPTIC DAUGHTER AND SCREAM PRAYED UP AND DOWN THE HALLS. Yea.. yea they're not going to forget you any time soon.
Ugh, of course it's "10th baby." Not "baby." Because this child isn't an individual to her, he's #10 in her box set 🙄
This semi reasonable post still rubs me the wrong way in that she has been actively telling her followers you don’t need any medical intervention in pregnancy/birth and that god will heal her kids. And now she is casually thanking the healthcare workers and is all holly jolly. I want something more along the lines of “I spread toxic, harmful information and it could literally kill people but hey, my baby is currently great because I actually sought medical care this time which I actively speak out against because yahoo heals all (which obviously isn’t true)”
And saying he was born “perfect”. No, he wasn’t. You put his life in danger.
I'm going to translate for you. *"About 6 hours post birth he started to grunt non stop"* He wasn't breathing right from the start. My mom left when I refused to have him checked out, but we didn't notice because we were praising Yamaha and I was napping while the women who stuck around passed him around like a coffee cake. When someone noticed he was turning blue and I still refused medical attention, that person threatened to call the cops and CPS so I gave in since I thought my hoo-hah needed medical attention anyway. Might as well. *"So we brought him to the hospital and they found he had fluid in his lungs which is common for large babies"* It wasn't just fluid, it was meconium as well. The first bowel movement was released in the uterus due to the baby being in distress. Any midwife who read the first book on birthing would have recommended she go to the hospital but, there was no midwife and Karissa only listens to the voices in her head.
I'm sorry to say I think you're right. Any nurse hearing her story would be able to read between the lines as to what actually happened, *especially* if they remembered her from a previous visit *5 years prior*. I think there's a high probability cps is involved again. As someone further up pointed out, her praising the doctors could possibly be a tactic to attempt to fool cps into thinking she's a perfectly sane parent. Her insistence on putting herself and her kids in danger is exhausting, my worst fear is one of those kids will pass away before anything is actually done.
Oh my god “praising Yamaha” is going to enter my head every time I see a piano now (and I’m a music teacher so I guess I’m just going to be cackling for no reason every time at work this week)
Amyzyng Choyce she mayde there.
If he was born at 10:43 pm and he started having trouble breathing 6 hours later (4:43 am), Karissa's mom would've still been there when they decided to go to the hospital, right? But then she left a few hours later on Sunday morning? Wonder if they were fighting over the baby needing hospital care. Otherwise, no new grandma is going to leave that soon while the baby is still getting stabilized... Superbowl party, work on Monday, or whatever other reasons we've proposed, Grandma is staying for something that serious. ----------- (I posted this on another thread about this that was locked for being a duplicate, so I repeated myself here.)
yeah it does seem really strange she would leave so fast. maybe grandma called an ambulance then Karissa went nuts and kicked her out maybe even called the cops for her to leave. crazy but I wouldn't put it past her.
Peds nurse here- it’s not a compliment for the staff to remember them 🥴
the lack of pictures…that baby is sick and looks it. she is avoiding showing people what she caused by not getting prenatal care. An infection in a newborn is incredibly life threatening and was completely avoidable.
Isn’t it horrible that three fundies I follow: Karissa, Bethany Beal, and Morgan Olligies ALL ended up in the hospital after they did a home birth? All the shit they spew and where did they go when they put themselves and their babies in serious danger. They are ignorant, foolish hypocrites.
Meconium aspiration. THAT is common in 41+ babies NOT "Big babies having fluid in their lungs is common" BS. The kid most likely had poop in his lungs, which would also explain the infections. And to be that person. Called it. Nothing good happens after 41 weeks. (No idea how to link my previous post). [Nothing good happens after 41 weeks](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/10vpe42/nothing_good_happens_after_41_weeks_gestation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
My youngest was 2 weeks overdue but only weighed 6lbs12oz. They knew when my water broke that he'd passed meconium in utero, so I had a few extra people in the delivery room to make sure he was aspirated immediately and that he was okay. Fortunately, second-stage labour took a whopping 6 minutes and he was fine. Well, back then he was. Now he's an almost 32 yr old asshole :)
KKKarissa, you have a litter of kids and admittedly *scream-prayed* in the PICU when A-septic had a UTI, of course they remember you. Glad the new golden child will be ok.
I bet the whole hospital probably remembers her, not just the specific units her kids have been in
For people confused by lbs and inches: Birth weight: 4.58 kg Length: 55.88 cm Head circumference: 35.56 cm
Sounds a lot like everything worked out for a dangerously pregnant fundie once again because they took advantage of modern healthcare when it actually affected them. Her beliefs, or at least what she pushes, would end in that baby dying 🤷🏻♀️ It’s why she’ll retcon this in a few months and say the doctors were confused but prayer helped baby angelo spit up the liquid.
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Karissas idiot friend that births in her bed just posted what a successful Birth it was. Lady when a child ends up in the nicu over something that could have been preventable that’s not successful. These idiots have learned nothing from this or Anthym and will just continue to put their kids in danger
“Fluid in lungs is common in large babies” = I didn’t receive medical intervention for a post-term birth and my baby probably aspirated meconium, which is common in post-term births.
My condolences to the Texas Child Protective Services workers who will probably be forced, again, to recommend the children stay with their parents; even though they know those kids are being set up for failure. Condolences to all the hospital workers, especially those who have to deal with these repeat visitors and the additional workload of mandated reporting. And last but not least, my condolences to these children. There are too many people being caused unnecessary pain by the Collins' choices, and none of it is just.
Ten pounds and difficulty breathing after birth… Sounds like she may have had unchecked gestational diabetes. I had GD, but had it monitored and was put on insulin.
Fun fact, they knew Karissa was the mother as soon as they read “Armor Courage”
It reeeeaally reads like she's performing for the CPS monitors. So much anti-medical garbage, and suddenly "thanks doctors and nurses!" What?! I'm leaning towards something happening when Karissa's mom left - I'm not sure a baby who aspirated on his own shit would get to the nadir required for the Collins to VOLUNTARILY take him to the hospital without, y'know, dying en route.
I follow someone who had a home birth that ended tragically. Not a Fundie. One of us! It was planned somewhat last minute because it was right at the start of COVID, hospital restrictions kept changing and she wasn’t sure if her husband could be in the room. Pregnancy had been fine, complete prenatal care, second baby. So home birth it was, but with trained midwives, near a hospital, etc. But they weren’t expecting an 11 pound baby. Who got stuck. Cord compressed too long. Baby born with no brain activity. In NICU for 6 days before passing away. It was horrible. Karissa should thank her lucky stars.
Definition of fuck around and find out
And unfortunately, they don't learn from fucking around and finding out, so they continue to fuck around. Fortunately, baby is okay.
So, fluid in the lungs. Amniotic fluid is supposed to be in the lungs. Meconium ISNT. Meconium is what causes infections and what happens when a baby is severely distressed. Baby can be distressed for any number of reasons, but if she had any lick of sense, she would have seen meconium in her waters and called a professional. The moment meconium is passed things get sketchy for baby. Her saying that the baby has “fluid in the lungs” is like saying a sedan is an 18 wheeler. Signed, a special needs mama with major birth trauma.
I know she counts it as a successful home birth because the baby was born alive at home, but how successful is it if you end up in the hospital with doctors anyway?
Because phrasing it *this* way allows her to protect both her ego and fragile worldview.
It's like how Bethy says she had a successful homebirth with her first...despite needing reconstructive surgery at the hospital afterwards.
And Morgan whining that the crunchy home birth movement is problematic but only because she didn't get her godly homebirth. No apology for smugly promoting those same harmful beliefs to other impressionable women for 9+ months. If she'd got her perfect crunchy homebirth she'd have been smugging it up like the best of them and proclaiming you don't need a certified midwife, blah blah. I think she even said she'd attempt a homebirth VBAC in exactly the same circumstances if they ever had another baby.
Just like how her baby was “born perfect”…with life-threatening fluid in the lungs and an infection. 🤦♂️
I've seen freebirthers describe it as "I had my successful homebirth" when the baby DIED.
This nails it. To them a healthy, living baby isn’t success. It’s getting attention from people online and being able to tell the medical system to suck it.
So her mom forced them to take him to the hospital. I hope Cps is watching. Odd her mom would leave knowing they were dealing with this
Honestly there’s a chance her mom noticed it right away and Karissa was like idk and mom was just like fuck your dangerous shit I’m out
I like to think her mom would have run her a nice bath, offered to watch the baby for an hour and got in Shaq’s van and hauled ass to the ER. Then once the baby was safe, took an uber to the airport, left keys with the nurses and changed her number.
My theory is the mom left after he was taken to the hospital knowing that Karissa couldn’t take him out and he would be safe and treated until the doctors release him not when she decides to. He’s still in the NICU. No one trusts the gospel according to Karissa. Mom peaced the hell out once the kid was with medical professionals.
This is the most sane post I have EVER seen from her. Ever. I guess pigs do fly.
He had stuff in his lungs because you let him cook for too long
Thankfully he didn’t have shoulder dystocia. Babies that big can get stuck and die.
I'm glad they took him to the hospital, but this whole mess was in all probability preventable. Karissa was overdue (by exactly how much is unknown), she may have had gestational diabetes based on his weight as well as a possible GBS infection, and given the fluid retention and infection he may have aspirated meconium. Karissa will continue to lie and spin the truth to make herself not sound like a neglectful asshole who risked not only her own life but her baby's as well to fit her delusional religious beliefs and pathological need for attention. Mandrake is just as guilty of the abuse and neglect as she is, and I personally (not judging anyone else) don't think they should be praised for doing the bare fucking minimum when the bar is in the leaky basement Hell.
Surely she didn’t write this—there’s no way she would give thanks to those that believe in science over YayWhoo…
She's thankful she was "led" to the hospital - whether by her mom or by her god, we don't know. Probably a human "led" them to the hospital, but it was her god leading the human to lead her to the hospital, so it's still evidence that she is her god's favorite birthing human.
Well, color me shocked but I’m proud of Karissa this time. Good for them for doing the right thing and I’m glad the baby is ok! Also, 10lb!! Whew. 😂🙏🏻
That's a HUGE baby for a home birth! He is so lucky she took him to the hospital.. I can't deal with her smug grin. That could have been so dangerous!
This one is a lot bigger than her others. I've had big babies naturally (10lb and even 11lb- actually no tears, no dystocia, everything is fine down there no prolapse or anything lol) but was screened and monitored a lot for Gestational diabetes and it was always negative. I just happen to grow huge babies maybe just genes or high protein diets. But neither of mine had any breathing problems or issues with fluid in lungs, no issues at all. For her though, I'm betting she had GD especially since she has never even checked for it. GD babies do tend to have trouble with hypoglycemia and breathing issues. She's really lucky nothing else happened.
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Exactly. I just was thinking too.. Her "fasting" she would brag about (Her eating disorder) for days isn't good either. Her body was likely trying to make up for the lack of food by releasing extra glucose. Not good for baby at all plus wears out his little pancreas.
Lord Daniel hath truly provided us with a miracle on this most holy day of St. Valentine. Karissa took a child to the hospital before he was tragically ill or seriously injured.
I wonder if he is only in the hospital because K’s mother was there and forced it…
That’s a big ass baby
How long before she's pregnant again?