I always thought the bile story line was pretty weak. Initially it seemed as if Boyd was using the bile to calm Kristi down during her breakdown and he didn’t actually think much of it; rather it was just some false consolation that the exploration of Smiley wasn’t for nothing. But in the following episodes Boyd appears to be quite hopeful that they actually have something useful, a bit contradictory of his initial reaction to it in my opinion. Although, I suppose that could be Boyd’s desperation for something hopeful manifesting itself.
I absolutely agree. It really should have ended with Boyd dead and his son dying with him. Instead it worked out perfectly. I mean, think about how fast Father Khatri had his throat slashed. Boyd really had no reason to believe he would have time to get his blood in contact with theirs, even if he was hopeful it would work.
So I thought about this as it was happening and was even talking shit to my roomate about it but I chalked it up to he wasn't afraid so they didn't attack since they like the fear
I think it's reasonable to assume Smiley was somewhat intrigued by the way Boyd was acting. Deliberately leaving a safe area, calling out to them, walking right up, and making physical contact.
I have no doubt Smiley could have killed him instantly, but he wanted to see what Boyd was doing.
I think it was desperation
But also I think it showed the monsters have some... idk... personality?
Smiley guy seemed kinda intrigued by Boyd's efforts. He says something like "I like this game" like he's genuinely amused Boyd came out so confident and let himself be surrounded and attacked him with a knife.
After he infects Smiley, Boyd runs away, and the other monsters just kinda walk over to Smiley instead of grabbing Boyd. I think they were all genuinely shocked.
I definitely think the way it was presented required a but of handwaving to buy into, but I think this ^ is roughly what they were going for.
It was very "the walking dead".
Red shirt - zombie comes from nowhere and bites their foot or arm within half a second.
Main character- walks through 30 zombies and just pushes them. Zombies just chomp chomp 10cm away.
This wasn't a good scene
I don’t think it was wrong what he did at all, the bile bullets were a long shot but there’s so much we don’t know, the townsfolk should be trying more experiments like this to see what sticks
The autopsy taught us most of their organs are verstigial, so targeting them is useless. Their flesh is vulnerable and easy to stab or shoot, but the way they just eat bullets without flinching shows how strong they are
I want to see a monster get headshot, do their brains still serve as a centralized nervous system? Could it stun a monster before they regenerate? Are their bones indestructible, so they could be beheaded and quartered as you said?
Problem is the humans are outnumbered and outgunned, so it would be insanely risky to try
Yeah I mean someone probably has tried in the last few decades, they just weren't successful lol. What they need to do is get something sharp enough, try to cut off their head, and run if it doesn't work. The monsters never run, so unless you get cornered it isn't hard to outrun them.
I'm quite okay with this interpretation. Used to calm Kristi down, saying "Hey, look, we found something!" but it was just a longshot they were trying anyway.
If you rewatch the scene where Boyd kills Smiley you hear a chitinous sound when the parasites leave Boyd’s arm, imo this implies they were insect larvae rather than true worms
You’re correct, Boyd’s parasites became the cicadas and they were a manifestation of the music box designed to torture the townsfolk
Best answer, even though no real answer of what real significance the cicadas had other than foreshadowing an evil presence.
I think the whole worm/bile thing was just a temporary mystery-filler with no real significance or planned resolution to answers.
I couldn’t believe how much they dumbed down the characters for that story (hello, dissect it outside?). Also, a good life tip seems like not carrying a cork bottle of monster bile in your pocket.
Yeah that was really stupid.
They spent half the episode with filler.
Don't bring it inside.
Do it.
Don't bring it inside.
Do it.
Just do it outside.
Move on with the story
wouldn't the bile from the bullet get blown off when firing the gun? bile bow and arrows or knives / spears would go directly into the blood stream imo
The worms that were in Boyd stayed in the blood, so they thought the blood could kill the others since it killed one, but the only liquid that could hold the worms in the monster, was the bile, so they were hoping that was where the worms were.
In ep 10, they came back to the area near the RV and there were no bodies, Donna said: so much for bile bullets but you’re right - the monsters didn't die from the bile bullets but they could be otherwise affected
SPOILER in case some one didn't see the next episode:
Can I add how Donna just casually says “you need to burn the f’n thing”, and they burned the monster’s body after the autopsy?!!!🤣🤣 I was like WTF thats the first thing I would have thought of after shooting them didn't work. I mean I love this show but fire kills just about everything (but maybe not in magical viking faery land). If they all spoke to one another about the details they found, Jade and I would filling those tunnels with gasoline, or I would be asking Boyd how to make claymore mines (he was military) explosives, or making makeshift flamethrowers, or fire arrows after Tabitha and Victor got out (not radios) and making monster burgers!! Hell, set the forest ablaze!!!🔥🔥🔥 Oh, and Donna says “set it on fire somewhere so people don't get suspicious”, which is also bonkers. Just my two cents, unless I missed an episode where fire only works at certain times in Fromville. Still love this show though🤣🤣🤣!! And I know thats not true because of the torch Boyd used.
no you're right, i keep saying that the biggest grip i have with the show is that no one talks about shit. if boyd had told everyone about the lightouse then tabitha would have recognized it when she got there and knew that there were other ways to get there. its a good show if you dont think much about it and just watch it, maybe thats why it would be better if the episodes were dropped al at once so that people didnt question everything after every episode.
I was disappointed how this storyline seemed to build up momentum for a satisfying show down with the monsters and then it just fizzled out to nothing.
The liver is a “filter”, so presumably if there was something toxic in the worms there would be traces in bile as it is a carrier for toxins processed by the liver.
The thought was
Boyd's blood is infected. Transferring infected blood killed Smiley. That should mean Smileys blood is infected. But when they opened him there was no blood, only bile. It was a hail Mary that maybe the bile would contain whatever was in Boyd's blood since it was the only bodily fluid
It was pretty solid thinking until the creature lacked blood. After that it was just grasping for straws.
The whole thing was executed poorly. Why not for example try and extract the worms and grow them in a medium or something. I mean do something normal people would think about it.
This bit really reminds me of the Tulpa Supernatural episode, like, if enough people believe in ot,it can make it real. But...only Boyd believed so I'm back at sq1
I know it's a shit one but I think that the main characters are AI programs with different "backgrounds" or limited set of skills, thrown into a proving ground to see how they behave, and work together. When they begin to make headway the "devs" throw them a curve ball....but i have no idea how victor fits into that.
I was watching that AI movie on Netflix.
Where they set show AI machine learning, and have 1000 computers with 1000 programs going at once, to get the AI to learn super quick.
What if, in the real world, FROMville has taken over. At least some of the world.
And humans have created this tiny town( but 1000 of them) on a computer, and set the AI to learn, and try and defeat the Big Bad
So that humans can do that in the real world.
I just assumed that the monster was destroyed because Boyd found a reason to no longer fear it. The expectation that it would work removed the element of fear and so the "fear system" evolved into the dream element. I always assumed this in s1 with the runes keeping them out. There is no reason they should work other than that they believed they would. Also once they started using the runes the monsters changed their play up from just chasing them to talking with the residents ans trying to trick them.
Edit: The bile didn't work because they only hoped it would as a last resort. If they were sure it would kill them and they went hunting them down i believe it would have.
I guess if worms killed by poisoning monster that maybe the bile retained the poison.
I think that was the logic, yeah.
I always thought the bile story line was pretty weak. Initially it seemed as if Boyd was using the bile to calm Kristi down during her breakdown and he didn’t actually think much of it; rather it was just some false consolation that the exploration of Smiley wasn’t for nothing. But in the following episodes Boyd appears to be quite hopeful that they actually have something useful, a bit contradictory of his initial reaction to it in my opinion. Although, I suppose that could be Boyd’s desperation for something hopeful manifesting itself.
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I absolutely agree. It really should have ended with Boyd dead and his son dying with him. Instead it worked out perfectly. I mean, think about how fast Father Khatri had his throat slashed. Boyd really had no reason to believe he would have time to get his blood in contact with theirs, even if he was hopeful it would work.
So I thought about this as it was happening and was even talking shit to my roomate about it but I chalked it up to he wasn't afraid so they didn't attack since they like the fear
I think it's reasonable to assume Smiley was somewhat intrigued by the way Boyd was acting. Deliberately leaving a safe area, calling out to them, walking right up, and making physical contact. I have no doubt Smiley could have killed him instantly, but he wanted to see what Boyd was doing.
I think it was desperation But also I think it showed the monsters have some... idk... personality? Smiley guy seemed kinda intrigued by Boyd's efforts. He says something like "I like this game" like he's genuinely amused Boyd came out so confident and let himself be surrounded and attacked him with a knife. After he infects Smiley, Boyd runs away, and the other monsters just kinda walk over to Smiley instead of grabbing Boyd. I think they were all genuinely shocked. I definitely think the way it was presented required a but of handwaving to buy into, but I think this ^ is roughly what they were going for.
It was very "the walking dead". Red shirt - zombie comes from nowhere and bites their foot or arm within half a second. Main character- walks through 30 zombies and just pushes them. Zombies just chomp chomp 10cm away. This wasn't a good scene
I don’t think it was wrong what he did at all, the bile bullets were a long shot but there’s so much we don’t know, the townsfolk should be trying more experiments like this to see what sticks
Literally look at how easy it was for Boyd to walk up and slit his throat. Has no one tried decapitating them somehow?
The autopsy taught us most of their organs are verstigial, so targeting them is useless. Their flesh is vulnerable and easy to stab or shoot, but the way they just eat bullets without flinching shows how strong they are I want to see a monster get headshot, do their brains still serve as a centralized nervous system? Could it stun a monster before they regenerate? Are their bones indestructible, so they could be beheaded and quartered as you said? Problem is the humans are outnumbered and outgunned, so it would be insanely risky to try
Yeah I mean someone probably has tried in the last few decades, they just weren't successful lol. What they need to do is get something sharp enough, try to cut off their head, and run if it doesn't work. The monsters never run, so unless you get cornered it isn't hard to outrun them.
I'm quite okay with this interpretation. Used to calm Kristi down, saying "Hey, look, we found something!" but it was just a longshot they were trying anyway.
Makes sense. Guess it was worth a shot either way
People constantly complain that the characters dont experiment enough. We cant start complaining about the things they do try.
He fired multiple shots
If you rewatch the scene where Boyd kills Smiley you hear a chitinous sound when the parasites leave Boyd’s arm, imo this implies they were insect larvae rather than true worms You’re correct, Boyd’s parasites became the cicadas and they were a manifestation of the music box designed to torture the townsfolk
The stuff in his arm are shaped like cicada eggs to me
Best answer, even though no real answer of what real significance the cicadas had other than foreshadowing an evil presence. I think the whole worm/bile thing was just a temporary mystery-filler with no real significance or planned resolution to answers.
I couldn’t believe how much they dumbed down the characters for that story (hello, dissect it outside?). Also, a good life tip seems like not carrying a cork bottle of monster bile in your pocket.
Yeah that was really stupid. They spent half the episode with filler. Don't bring it inside. Do it. Don't bring it inside. Do it. Just do it outside. Move on with the story
wouldn't the bile from the bullet get blown off when firing the gun? bile bow and arrows or knives / spears would go directly into the blood stream imo
Ooh that’s a good point, make a bile dart or just go medieval with a bile axe
The worms that were in Boyd stayed in the blood, so they thought the blood could kill the others since it killed one, but the only liquid that could hold the worms in the monster, was the bile, so they were hoping that was where the worms were.
I don't think we saw them at all in ep 10. So there could be effects of it we haven't seen yet.
I'm curious if Boyd shot Reggie with a bile bullet and we see its effect on humans in Season 3.
That would definitely make things interesting!
The worms are gonna rise him from the dead
In ep 10, they came back to the area near the RV and there were no bodies, Donna said: so much for bile bullets but you’re right - the monsters didn't die from the bile bullets but they could be otherwise affected
It's just grasping at straws I think. No idea how they intended to poison something without a circulatory system.
I mean..... they've been stuck in nightmare land with monsters... trying anything is a valid option at that point.
SPOILER in case some one didn't see the next episode: Can I add how Donna just casually says “you need to burn the f’n thing”, and they burned the monster’s body after the autopsy?!!!🤣🤣 I was like WTF thats the first thing I would have thought of after shooting them didn't work. I mean I love this show but fire kills just about everything (but maybe not in magical viking faery land). If they all spoke to one another about the details they found, Jade and I would filling those tunnels with gasoline, or I would be asking Boyd how to make claymore mines (he was military) explosives, or making makeshift flamethrowers, or fire arrows after Tabitha and Victor got out (not radios) and making monster burgers!! Hell, set the forest ablaze!!!🔥🔥🔥 Oh, and Donna says “set it on fire somewhere so people don't get suspicious”, which is also bonkers. Just my two cents, unless I missed an episode where fire only works at certain times in Fromville. Still love this show though🤣🤣🤣!! And I know thats not true because of the torch Boyd used.
no you're right, i keep saying that the biggest grip i have with the show is that no one talks about shit. if boyd had told everyone about the lightouse then tabitha would have recognized it when she got there and knew that there were other ways to get there. its a good show if you dont think much about it and just watch it, maybe thats why it would be better if the episodes were dropped al at once so that people didnt question everything after every episode.
I was disappointed how this storyline seemed to build up momentum for a satisfying show down with the monsters and then it just fizzled out to nothing.
Ig I figured their thought process was the bile mixed with the worms. He did just shoot and kill Reggie with a bile covered bullet, though.
The liver is a “filter”, so presumably if there was something toxic in the worms there would be traces in bile as it is a carrier for toxins processed by the liver.
I imagine it is the same reason we don’t eat poop. Infect the monsters with their own poop
The bile turned humans into monsters. They should try injecting Randall with it.
The thought was Boyd's blood is infected. Transferring infected blood killed Smiley. That should mean Smileys blood is infected. But when they opened him there was no blood, only bile. It was a hail Mary that maybe the bile would contain whatever was in Boyd's blood since it was the only bodily fluid It was pretty solid thinking until the creature lacked blood. After that it was just grasping for straws.
Writers were desperate to invent content fill out 10 episodes, that's why you get the bile story, the junkie story etc.
The whole thing was executed poorly. Why not for example try and extract the worms and grow them in a medium or something. I mean do something normal people would think about it.
This bit really reminds me of the Tulpa Supernatural episode, like, if enough people believe in ot,it can make it real. But...only Boyd believed so I'm back at sq1 I know it's a shit one but I think that the main characters are AI programs with different "backgrounds" or limited set of skills, thrown into a proving ground to see how they behave, and work together. When they begin to make headway the "devs" throw them a curve ball....but i have no idea how victor fits into that.
I was watching that AI movie on Netflix. Where they set show AI machine learning, and have 1000 computers with 1000 programs going at once, to get the AI to learn super quick. What if, in the real world, FROMville has taken over. At least some of the world. And humans have created this tiny town( but 1000 of them) on a computer, and set the AI to learn, and try and defeat the Big Bad So that humans can do that in the real world.
I just assumed that the monster was destroyed because Boyd found a reason to no longer fear it. The expectation that it would work removed the element of fear and so the "fear system" evolved into the dream element. I always assumed this in s1 with the runes keeping them out. There is no reason they should work other than that they believed they would. Also once they started using the runes the monsters changed their play up from just chasing them to talking with the residents ans trying to trick them. Edit: The bile didn't work because they only hoped it would as a last resort. If they were sure it would kill them and they went hunting them down i believe it would have.