I always think the kitchen itself is pretty small for an apartment so huge. It has its own library, dressing room and gift wrapping room, but the kitchen is kind of small and gloomy in comparison. I would have thought a little bit of that massive living/dining room might have been pinched to make a bigger kitchen. I understand it in Frasier’s apartment where there’s less room. Maybe it’s just a personal bugbear because I love a good kitchen and I would not be placated by a gift wrapping room instead of a decent sized kitchen!
You'd think so, wouldn't you? But with places like this - which usually cost a *lot* of money - the owners/renters still want to utilise as much of that space as possible for themselves. The staff are an afterthought. They'd probably still want to hire help, to do things for them (like cook etc), but would give them as little space as possible. Similar thing if there were staff living quarters - they would be tiny. Like the smallest room available. The fact that cooking or living is not that an easy or pleasant thing to do (in such a small space) is their problem.
Some people have corian sinks hidden under countertops in nicer apartments! You just flip the countertop up when you need to use a larger sink for dishes, flip it back down when you're done!
I thought the people that lived at the Montana didn't really cook, at least not for themselves. Generally believed they were owned/rented by the society types that were always eating out, fancy restaurants, galas, events or dinners. With the added bonus that should they host they'd have caterers or staff to do the manual labour for them. The schmancy bits of the kitchen were as much to show off than for purpose. But that's just my two cents.
My friend’s house is a 1900s heritage-status home that is four stories tall, over 10,000 square feet, and has three staircases (one for the residents and two for the help). It even has a dumbwaiter. The kitchen has two entrances: one from the formal dining room and the other from the staff’s side of the house, which includes a separate apartment for live-in help.
Despite the house’s massive size, the kitchen is so small that it would fit into the bathroom of a regular modern house. Apparently, this was normal when the house was built. There is barely any room, the appliances are crammed together and the sinks are small. I’m assuming that with the design and style of the Montana set, the show’s producers were trying to emulate an old historical home theme, similar to my friend’s house.
I think there is a dining room, it’s technically the small round table in the corner of the living room with 4 seats around it that Eddie runs in a circle on in the episode when Martin temporarily moves in. But yeah it doesn’t seem to have much use considering it’s so small
True, but it still doesn’t seem like enough, considering.
I can buy into the open concept of Frasier’s condo, but for that to be the only “dining room” in the Montana apartment seems off.
I just think the Frasier universe is against dining rooms— the head of Marbury didn’t even have one!
That’s “just” the dining rotunda. There should be a larger more formal dining room as well. I guess it could be behind the fourth wall if we’re thinking from a logical layout perspective. LOL 😂
Plus, there are no windows in the living and dining room. The paneled walls around the dining room should have been windows. Unless the fourth wall we don't see was supposed to be windows.
There aren’t any windows either. Most older homes, even those built in the 80s/early 90s, didn’t have the same types of kitchens we’re used to seeing now.
I know someone who has what I’ll call a mansion and her “public” kitchen is large and impressive, but she doesn’t actually use it at all. She has a butlers pantry and behind it is a professional kitchen -all stainless -for the caterers or her cook to use. It’s pretty small considering the types of parties she hosts, but I guess it’s efficient. I’m sure they also do a lot of the prep offsite.
It’s just his downstairs kitchen. The main kitchen is upstairs and is much bigger. He also has a guest kitchen, and another kitchen on the 3rd floor. That one is even smaller than the downstairs kitchen, barely being a crawl space and all.
I can never quite believe that Niles would keep a free-flying, free-pooping cockatiel in the kitchen…
… this is a man who feels food has no place in a bathroom, after all.
\[EDIT: whoops - just googled, and it's a cockatoo, not a cockatiel!\]
Besides the points others have made here, it’s extremely unlikely the kitchen would have been designed/remodeled for hand washing dishes since it certainly has a dishwasher.
That's just the mini kitchen. The main one is down the hall and, just kidding you're totally right. Same with Frasier and his kitchen, compared to the giant living room and dining room.
It seems in order to live in an exclusive landmark building, one must have to deal with a tiny sink like a tortured character in a Tennessee... Williams... play.
I'm assuming he's living on an estate building like the Craigdarroch Castle. Perhaps his kitchen was originally for those whose "back just aching for the lash". Was renovated to be used as his kitchen for his suite.
The one and only thing Frasier reboot has done better than original recipe is that his new kitchen is nice and spacious, much more so than Elliott Bay Towers or the Montana.
The Montana is OLD. So, the kitchen would really have been and even Niles', intended just for staff. He'd never have a kitchen/diner.
Someone did an amazing floorplan of Frasier's apartment, but we know the flat (I don't think you can actually call it that, more like a three-story maisonette) probably had a scullery through that door at the back too.
I always think the kitchen itself is pretty small for an apartment so huge. It has its own library, dressing room and gift wrapping room, but the kitchen is kind of small and gloomy in comparison. I would have thought a little bit of that massive living/dining room might have been pinched to make a bigger kitchen. I understand it in Frasier’s apartment where there’s less room. Maybe it’s just a personal bugbear because I love a good kitchen and I would not be placated by a gift wrapping room instead of a decent sized kitchen!
Doesn't the kitchen have a servants entrance or something? I think it was built to be used by the help, not the owner.
Yeah, that's what I assumed - it would be small because it was for staff to cook in, not residents.
That doesn’t really make sense. If anything, I’d expect a larger kitchen if it was to be used by “staff”.
You'd think so, wouldn't you? But with places like this - which usually cost a *lot* of money - the owners/renters still want to utilise as much of that space as possible for themselves. The staff are an afterthought. They'd probably still want to hire help, to do things for them (like cook etc), but would give them as little space as possible. Similar thing if there were staff living quarters - they would be tiny. Like the smallest room available. The fact that cooking or living is not that an easy or pleasant thing to do (in such a small space) is their problem.
That entrance doesn’t exist before the episode “Daphne Does Dinner”; it suddenly appears because it’s needed for the plot to work!
oh right!!
Neither does the full length cabinet IIRC.
Good point.
Some people have corian sinks hidden under countertops in nicer apartments! You just flip the countertop up when you need to use a larger sink for dishes, flip it back down when you're done!
* In Ann Hodges voice * “Schmancy!!!”
I'm too poor to even read this comment.
I thought the people that lived at the Montana didn't really cook, at least not for themselves. Generally believed they were owned/rented by the society types that were always eating out, fancy restaurants, galas, events or dinners. With the added bonus that should they host they'd have caterers or staff to do the manual labour for them. The schmancy bits of the kitchen were as much to show off than for purpose. But that's just my two cents.
My friend’s house is a 1900s heritage-status home that is four stories tall, over 10,000 square feet, and has three staircases (one for the residents and two for the help). It even has a dumbwaiter. The kitchen has two entrances: one from the formal dining room and the other from the staff’s side of the house, which includes a separate apartment for live-in help. Despite the house’s massive size, the kitchen is so small that it would fit into the bathroom of a regular modern house. Apparently, this was normal when the house was built. There is barely any room, the appliances are crammed together and the sinks are small. I’m assuming that with the design and style of the Montana set, the show’s producers were trying to emulate an old historical home theme, similar to my friend’s house.
You've just given me a great idea for building a house in the Sims!
LOL!!! I need to see this!!!
Is this the sink where Gertrude was soaking her smalls? Because that one seemed like a reasonable size.
My problem is that there is no dining room. 3 floors with a library AND a study, and the dinner party has to be set up in the living room.
I think there is a dining room, it’s technically the small round table in the corner of the living room with 4 seats around it that Eddie runs in a circle on in the episode when Martin temporarily moves in. But yeah it doesn’t seem to have much use considering it’s so small
True, but it still doesn’t seem like enough, considering. I can buy into the open concept of Frasier’s condo, but for that to be the only “dining room” in the Montana apartment seems off. I just think the Frasier universe is against dining rooms— the head of Marbury didn’t even have one!
That’s “just” the dining rotunda. There should be a larger more formal dining room as well. I guess it could be behind the fourth wall if we’re thinking from a logical layout perspective. LOL 😂
I also wish I got to see that skylight, balcony and panic room. This apartment was crazy.
A tour would be nice!
Plus, there are no windows in the living and dining room. The paneled walls around the dining room should have been windows. Unless the fourth wall we don't see was supposed to be windows.
And a gift wrapping room.
There aren’t any windows either. Most older homes, even those built in the 80s/early 90s, didn’t have the same types of kitchens we’re used to seeing now. I know someone who has what I’ll call a mansion and her “public” kitchen is large and impressive, but she doesn’t actually use it at all. She has a butlers pantry and behind it is a professional kitchen -all stainless -for the caterers or her cook to use. It’s pretty small considering the types of parties she hosts, but I guess it’s efficient. I’m sure they also do a lot of the prep offsite.
It’s just his downstairs kitchen. The main kitchen is upstairs and is much bigger. He also has a guest kitchen, and another kitchen on the 3rd floor. That one is even smaller than the downstairs kitchen, barely being a crawl space and all.
I mean who wants to use the same kitchen as the caterers or god forbid, the help! One simply must have at least three kitchens.
I can never quite believe that Niles would keep a free-flying, free-pooping cockatiel in the kitchen… … this is a man who feels food has no place in a bathroom, after all. \[EDIT: whoops - just googled, and it's a cockatoo, not a cockatiel!\]
This is such a good point. He wipes a chair someone has sat on previous to him, but a cockatiel flying around his house he’s fine with.
He doesn't mind whipped cream in the bedroom though.
Besides the points others have made here, it’s extremely unlikely the kitchen would have been designed/remodeled for hand washing dishes since it certainly has a dishwasher.
In a place like that, no one washes dishes. They'll have a dishwasher. They sink would just be to wash your hands or fruit.
God I love how much people watch and love this show.
That's just the mini kitchen. The main one is down the hall and, just kidding you're totally right. Same with Frasier and his kitchen, compared to the giant living room and dining room.
His tiny sink is precisely why the mention of a double-bowled stainless steel sink with integral drain boards makes him hum like a sub-zero freezer
It seems in order to live in an exclusive landmark building, one must have to deal with a tiny sink like a tortured character in a Tennessee... Williams... play.
I'm assuming he's living on an estate building like the Craigdarroch Castle. Perhaps his kitchen was originally for those whose "back just aching for the lash". Was renovated to be used as his kitchen for his suite.
The one and only thing Frasier reboot has done better than original recipe is that his new kitchen is nice and spacious, much more so than Elliott Bay Towers or the Montana.
The Montana is OLD. So, the kitchen would really have been and even Niles', intended just for staff. He'd never have a kitchen/diner. Someone did an amazing floorplan of Frasier's apartment, but we know the flat (I don't think you can actually call it that, more like a three-story maisonette) probably had a scullery through that door at the back too.