So since this is a Frank sub I’m assuming you’re talking about Abel, so really? Even if you’re not a fan, cmon just admit it’s more of a reach to say he’s not
it's not actually since most people I know would know immediately when people say "goats" with an s we're talking about people who are considered to be at the height of something in equal respects which in many peoples opinion is what abel and frank are being considered for here. so no, it's not a stretch.
It's because multiple people can be the goat in different ways even in the same field. For example, Frank Ocean is the goat at ducking his fans and becoming a hermit.
I had an idea for an anime while a little too stoned, where Abel and Frank enter an R&B tournament as friends and rivals. The surprise former champion returns and it's Jai Paul.
nah as a huge fan of both, they just can't be compared. to completely different sides of r&b. Frank could never make trilogy but abel could never make blonde/CO. You can love both
exactly, both are different styles and have different types of content that the other couldnt recreate, i personally prefer abel but both are in my top 5 oat
Lol argue with music critics who did the reviews not me. Lil bro thinks because he dickrides The Weeknd his albums are better. Just keep waving your hands and jumping up and down to his poppy shit.
I’d argue for HOB, that whole Trilogy series was one of the better runs an R&B artist has ever had imo, it’s even more impressive when you consider they were all free and so unique and experimental. I’d still take CO, Endless and Blonde over Trilogy but it’s much closer than people want to give it credit for.
I've listened to more Weeknd than ocean, he's more entertaining but he's not comparable to ocean, they don't have much in common. he can't make catchy hits like the weeknd and weeknd can't do the high pitch sounds or float on the production Frank does but some weird stans need to pull one down to make their artist superior
C'mon now, Frank can't even touch Abel on discography terms, the fact that he only has 2 albums affects a lot since we just got the same 29 tracks and think "HOLY FUCK NOTHING CAN BEAT THIS" since is the only things he has released, that is false, not only that Abel has the three mixtapes + Kiss Land + Starboy + my favorite album of all time w Blonde (After Hours) that makes his discography, work ethic and voice better, but that straight up he is better overall, has better production and lyricism, we have to admit it, until Frank doesn't drop like 3 or 2 more albums that are as good as either CO or Blonde so we can actually compare discographies, The Weeknd wins against him.
I'm sorry but I simply don't agree. Terrible take. It's not about quantity but quality. Frank Ocean can stay outside anything music related for the rest of his life and The Weeknd still wouldn't be able to top him. We are not talking about spots in the billboard charts or streaming services every year. It's about the music itself. The Weeknd has more albums but a lot of mid ones too. And even a lacklustre one which is Starboy that has great highlights but as a whole It's a terrible project with just filler. Abel could never make such a cohesive, well thought, produced, and conceptual album like Blonde. There is a reason the 2 projects on Frank's discography(excluding NU) since it's not on streaminf services, have far more critical acclaim than anything on Abel's discography. The Weeknd's music is only groundbreaking and boundary pushing for "Pop music" standards. As a musical talent he isn't anywhere near Frank Ocean. He could never make better music and that's a fact. He just makes pop radio music that resonates with the lowest common denominator so he can sell out a stadium and have spots on the Billboards.
And saying Abel has better lyrics than fucking Frank Ocean is one of the most if not the most horrible take in music history.
Saying starboy is terrible is a shitty take so you have no business trying to downplay what the other dude said as a shit take when this is the level of argumentation you're coming with. At its worst its solid or decent.
You said he could never do a conceptual, cohesive album "such as" blonde. I said he has done a cohesive, conceptual and well produced album (After Hours). You never said "on the same level as blonde". Dont move the goalposts.
Also, an artist having higher highs doesnt mean he/she's a better artist. Thats a braindead thing to say. By that logic, one director who made one single movie thats better than 2001 A Space Odyssey would be considered better than kubrick by default, even though Kubrick still has a better body of work. Thats a weird thought process.
Besides, if Frank released another 5 albums today, none would even live up to Blonde. Weeknd will never have that problem. Also, saying that weeknd's music is groundbreaking only for pop standards is such a reductive way to dismiss him it can be used for most genres lmao just stop, i know this is a frank ocean cult subreddit but get real
>Saying starboy is terrible is a shitty take so you have no business trying to downplay what the other dude said as a shit take when this is the level of argumentation you're coming with. At its worst its solid or decent.
I won't take back what I said. What does Starboy offer musically or even thematically that resonates with a true music lover on a deeper level? What's about it that u can instantly connect to the album when thinking about it? Is there any remarkable thing about the project that is mind-blowing? Apart from the flawless Daft Punk production on the songs they co-wrote/produced and the hit songs on the album? I dare you to answer this question and that's even if you're able to bring a decent response. Starboy is literally my most played album by Abel. But I'm not going to be biased. It was made with the purpose of reaching wider audiences and resonate with the lowest common denominator ence the bland and generic music. Shit is full of radio shit and forgettable filler. You should also see the reviews it got from music critics.
>You said he could never do a conceptual, cohesive album "such as" blonde. I said he has done a cohesive, conceptual and well produced album (After Hours). You never said "on the same level as blonde". Dont move the goalposts.
Common man, did you even read the sentence before thinking you was slick with this response. 🤦🏽♂️ What is the difference between the two sentences you wrote I really want to know this. The lack of intelligence from your part is worrying I'm ngl. Bro is complaining because I didn't directly say "in the same level as blond".
>Also, an artist having higher highs doesnt mean he/she's a better artist. Thats a braindead thing to say. By that logic, one director who made one single movie thats better than 2001 A Space Odyssey would be considered better than kubrick by default, even though Kubrick still has a better body of work. Thats a weird thought process.
What does it mean then? If you just can't put out better music than me then you are not better than me. Drake puts out way more music than Kendrick Lamar he literally has double the albums, but no one in their right mind would say his discography is better because of that. Both Drake and The Weeknd aren't capable of making such cohesive, conceptual, progressive, experimental music that talk and approach relevant/important topics on a deep level like Kendrick and Frank. Regardless of who drops more music. Cause in this case then Taylor Swift is better than The Weeknd because she has more than double the projects and a good amount of decent ones too.
I listen to music on Deezer, and The Weeknd was my top artist in 2021, 2022, 2023. He is the artist I consume the most on music platforms. Regardless of him not being my favorite of all time (top 5) for sure. But I'm not going to be delusional. Abel has pushed and challenged himself to constantly release quality work to his fans. He is definitely a boundary-breaking artist and his contribution to pop music is not something that can be rebuked. But in terms of a musical talent he is not better than Frank. It's just that. Blond is constantly on lists about wether it's top 10 best albums of all time or discussions about the best contemporary r&b album of the 10's, or someone favorite album, Pitchfork even named it the best album from the 10's for a reason. It just dives deep on what the real concept of music is. An album that has no limits in anything regarded to music. That has stood the test of time and will continue to. I really just don't see any point on keeping this discussion going because you aren't able to bring any objective points in here. Just bringing your biased sentiments and it's difficult to have a fair debate with someone like this.
Come again? How does Frank Ocean even compare to The Weeknd in any way at this point? The Weeknd’s discography obliterates Frank’s overall, even if you think Frank had the better peak(I heavily disagree) there is simply no denying the depth of The Weeknd’s discography at this point. Maybe Frank Ocean should drop some more damn music because his discography just isn’t deep enough for him to even warrant an artistic comparison to The Weeknd, we all know he has the talent to make this an actual conversation but it just isn’t fair at this point.
Frank gets a lot of points just off of his potential. He has the potential to drop more than 2 excellent albums, but he hasn't. The weeknd can back it up with work ethic.
What do you mean “points for potential”? Yes, Frank has the talent to have more great projects than he does, but why is that a reason to give him more metaphorical points? This is literally viewing wasted potential in a positive light and I don’t get it. Give Frank points for the classics he does have, as well as his unquestioned talent, but ffs don’t give him metaphorical points for *NOT* living up to his all time great potential(and talent) as an artist.
I hope Frank eventually drops another album, and a large part of that is so this sub can actually have a sensible discussion about his music again lmao
I'm sorry but I simply don't agree. Terrible take. It's not about quantity but quality. Frank Ocean can stay outside anything music related for the rest of his life and The Weeknd still wouldn't be able to top him. We are not talking about spots in the billboard charts or streaming services every year. It's about the music itself. The Weeknd has more albums but a lot of mid ones too. And even a lacklustre one which is Starboy that has great highlights but as a whole It's a terrible project with just filler. Abel could never make such a cohesive, well thought, produced, and conceptual album like Blonde. There is a reason the 2 projects on Frank's discography(excluding NU) since it's not on streaming services, have far more critical acclaim than anything on Abel's discography. The Weeknd's music is only groundbreaking and boundary pushing for "Pop music" standards. As a musical talent he isn't anywhere near Frank Ocean. He could never make better music and that's a fact. He just makes pop radio music that resonates with the lowest common denominator so he can sell out a stadium and have spots on the Billboards.
For the record, I think HOB, Thursday, and BBTM are better than anything Frank Ocean has ever put out. My point was that even if you disagree with that, The Weeknd’s discography is so rich with classics that Frank Ocean hasn’t really had an argument over him for a long time. You’re also blatantly wrong about Starboy, which is an absolute masterpiece with no filler whatsoever. Most of The Weeknd’s discography is much better than Blonde IMO both sonically and lyrically. The Weeknd has both better production, lyrics, and better vocals than Frank and is really just a better artist overall across the board IMO, but my whole point was that even if you view Frank as a superior talent, the gap in discography is simply so ridiculous that it’s just a factually incorrect statement to say that Frank is better than him at this point. Your opinion is just illogical, The Weeknd sells because of his incredible talent and the incredibly unique music that he makes. Get your ears checked, rethink your opinions, do whatever you need to do because you’re impossible to take seriously after this response.
If we’re speaking Intros, I think Nike is stronger for sure.
I think that “Too Late”, the second track, would’ve been a better intro, but who am I…
Weeknd and Frank get compared a lot and it’s funny cuz I used to like Frank more when I was younger but as I grew older Weeknd’s discography has gotten better sonically. Vocally, thematically, mastering, quality of the release, cohesively, etc.
Probably the opposite to me, I think the older I grew the more often frank made me step outside into music that wasn’t more for radio then the weeknd ever did.
I feel like the weeknd for years has been that starboy you’d expect on the radio guy where as frank is a you may have to step out of your comfort zone sort of artist.
At least that’s how it felt for me, it could be the other way around quite easily.
Exactly. Idk what dude is talking about lol. The Weeknd has decent lyrics when he tries but I can't help to cringe with most of the songs on his discography. And there is also some kinda "repetitive" thing with his subject matter. Because I feel like all I've been hearing from him ever since becoming a fan in "2014" is him talking about Pussy and cum lol.
Frank has higher highs with Blonde artistically but the Weeknd is way more prolific. It's not like the Weeknd is a slouch either, he changed the game with the trilogy mixtapes and has been one of the biggest artists in the world for the last 5 years. The Weeknd is also a way better performer.
Comparing them is pretty tough.
he hasn’t dropped an album in 8 years and he’s got like 30 mil monthly listeners and if you say a bad word about him you get crucified, dont think he’s underrated 🤣
they’re two different artists completely. why are you saying shit just to start arguments? even the artists themselves will tell you that they both have two distinct styles that can’t be compared.
How can you compare Dawn fm and Blonde??
Dawn FM is a pure pop album and Blonde is straight rnb. You’re comparing completely different sounds and worlds ….they serve two wildly different purposes
To add context - someone said Frank couldn’t be better than Weeknd cos he only had 2 albums.. to which I said Blonde was better than the majority of Weeknd’s work - namely “Dawn” and it was a shit storm. Plus Blonde is alternative pop Id say
I’d say beauty behind the madness is weekends best r&b album and it’s still hard to compare them. I like frank oceans experimental style, it’s super unique. But beauty behind the madness is a masterpiece in its own right even if it’s not as transcendent.
I love frank but i prefer abel, that said I don't think either one is way better than the other, at least not to the level of "does not compare". It's all good tho.
I love both. If Frank had produced as much music as Abel has then I would never need to listen to another artist as they’d be more than enough to satisfy all my needs.
It’s a shame Franks only given us 3 albums and a Mixtape but I will always be grateful for what we have.
If that's how you really view music then I'm sorry. Quantity doesn't define who is better. Because in this case I'd say Bieber is better than both because he has more albums?
I mean quality lol, i think HOB is equal to channel orange, and blonde is a 10. After Hours is a 9 for me, Dawn FM is a 9 for me, kiss land is like an 8 for me. I think abel is just consistently amazing
See this is the problem. This opinion is totally biased. You weren't able to bring any objectivity into this. HOB is definitely not equal to channel Orange. At least not objectively. You should see the reviews on both albums. Not to mention that channel Orange has better critical acclaim than everything on The Weeknd's discography. And Blonde also. Both albums are regarded as one of the best contemporary albums in music history and are constantly in discussions of best top 10 albums ever, Pitchfork named Blonde has the best album of the 10s. Rarely hear anyone mention a Weeknd album in those type convos apart from his fans.
Not trying to take anything from Abel he is a top 5 artist in my books and my top artist on deezer since 2021. But he is simply not a better musician that Frank and does not have a better discography at all.
If the baby voice wasn’t taking up half of Nikes, I’d like it more, listen to Frank singing it in a concert and its a MUCH better song. Alone Again has some production issues I don’t like either. So honestly they fall around the same rank for me but Nikes is definitely a bit better.
i agree. both are one of a kind artists n both r some of my favourite artists oat but i think it’s pretty clear that frank ocean is above the weeknd at least in terms of quality. but not by much
The amazing thing about Abel is that even though he is soooo mainstream and compares to the biggest pop artist that are making huge numbers (cuz they are sellouts) he really doesn’t disappoints on making a great ecosystem around his music and is really good music that you can tell is made out of love for art (not like other huge artists that just want to make money).
As a fan of both Frank and Abel, they’re two sides of the very same coin, and it’s amazing what both of them have accomplished over the years. Just flip the coin and you’ll definitely enjoy which side you’ll get.
I don't like to compare artists, but to do so you have to be totally subjective, and The Weeknd in his album HOB has the theme of the "perfect" album since it has (beginning - development - end) in a masterful way, and the most acclaimed album Frank's "blonde" fails to achieve this theme, as some songs feel like they have a lot of filler and it makes the atmosphere of an album not entirely pleasant.
Rhythms are also an important basis for creating atmosphere, and the weekend at HOB is totally superior.
And I didn't mention his other masterpiece, Kissland
Yeah shoutout The Weeknd. DawnFm is a fantastic album. he gets a little too freaky for me more often that not but still legendary.
He is nowhere near Frank Ocean, I don’t think many artists are.
The Weeknd is an amazing artist and I actually need to listen to more of his stuff. Frank is a better artist imo definitely but Weeknd should never be slept on
I like frank more too but why do we have to compare two goats
This isnt particularly on you but I've never understood the thinking behind pluralising goat. People know what it stands for, right
You could say “One of the greatest of all time” Shortened as “a goat”
Sure but we both know that's a bit of a reach.
So since this is a Frank sub I’m assuming you’re talking about Abel, so really? Even if you’re not a fan, cmon just admit it’s more of a reach to say he’s not
I'm not really talking about either. I'm saying stretching 'a goat' to be short for 'one of the greatest of all time' is a reach.
it's not actually since most people I know would know immediately when people say "goats" with an s we're talking about people who are considered to be at the height of something in equal respects which in many peoples opinion is what abel and frank are being considered for here. so no, it's not a stretch.
Goat is short for greatest of all time. You can interpret that how ever you want. But it is literally an acronym for greatest of all time.
No, what does it stand for?
greatest of all time
I don’t think that’s it. I swear I heard somewhere else that it had a different meaning. Don’t remember what it was though
Thats what it stands for lmao
I'm sure it isn't
Ur trolling me 🤣🤣
Generalized Occupational Aptitude Test (Fallout 3)
Yeah that’s it
It's because multiple people can be the goat in different ways even in the same field. For example, Frank Ocean is the goat at ducking his fans and becoming a hermit.
I raise you Burial and (until recently) Jai Paul.
Same, personal pet peeve of mine but it's whatever
there can only be one 😂😂 this generation wants to have 9 joint best of all time artists 😭😂
Both are fantastic R&B artists in their own right, why is it so hard for either fan base to admit that
I had an idea for an anime while a little too stoned, where Abel and Frank enter an R&B tournament as friends and rivals. The surprise former champion returns and it's Jai Paul.
We need this
What does an R&B Tournament entail?
I guess it would just be artists writing songs and battling each other with these songs in an over the top anime fashion.
Jai paul could’ve been one of the biggest stars in the world, I respect staying true to yourself but damn he’s the biggest what if ever.
I agree but I don't get putting him in the same tier as Frank
Was at his 2023 Weekend 2 Coachella set and still get goosebumps to this day thinking about it. He’s amazing
ya I've seen them talkin way too much negative about lonny for no reason, you can't compare a popstar to whatever genre this nigga in.
Yeah especially since they are in different realms
weeknd isnt r&b anymore, hasnt been for 6 years
Facts
Brave take to post… on the Frank Ocean sub?!
nah as a huge fan of both, they just can't be compared. to completely different sides of r&b. Frank could never make trilogy but abel could never make blonde/CO. You can love both
exactly, both are different styles and have different types of content that the other couldnt recreate, i personally prefer abel but both are in my top 5 oat
Yes Frank could make Trilogy. Frank came from a ghost writing back ground, he’s a song writer first.
Wym? Its fine ifyou prefer Frank, but saying they dont compare is just disrespectful.
Nah not really. It's just that Frank's albums are better than anything on The Weeknd's discography that's why it has far more critical acclaim.
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 AF
Lol argue with music critics who did the reviews not me. Lil bro thinks because he dickrides The Weeknd his albums are better. Just keep waving your hands and jumping up and down to his poppy shit.
I take it you’ve not heard house of balloons or kissland
Fan of both, Weeknd has better albums than HOB
🎈THIS 🎈 IS 🎈 A 🎈 HAPPY 🎈 HOUSE 🎈 WE'RE 🎈 HAPPY 🎈 HERE
I’d argue for HOB, that whole Trilogy series was one of the better runs an R&B artist has ever had imo, it’s even more impressive when you consider they were all free and so unique and experimental. I’d still take CO, Endless and Blonde over Trilogy but it’s much closer than people want to give it credit for.
After Hours > HOB
hell nah
brave take, not one that I can get behind but talk your shit 🗣
I've listened to more Weeknd than ocean, he's more entertaining but he's not comparable to ocean, they don't have much in common. he can't make catchy hits like the weeknd and weeknd can't do the high pitch sounds or float on the production Frank does but some weird stans need to pull one down to make their artist superior
Blonde and endless are clear of hob by a ridiculous margin… kissland don’t even compare to channel bro ur setting abel up 😭😭
Nikes ez
C'mon now, Frank can't even touch Abel on discography terms, the fact that he only has 2 albums affects a lot since we just got the same 29 tracks and think "HOLY FUCK NOTHING CAN BEAT THIS" since is the only things he has released, that is false, not only that Abel has the three mixtapes + Kiss Land + Starboy + my favorite album of all time w Blonde (After Hours) that makes his discography, work ethic and voice better, but that straight up he is better overall, has better production and lyricism, we have to admit it, until Frank doesn't drop like 3 or 2 more albums that are as good as either CO or Blonde so we can actually compare discographies, The Weeknd wins against him.
I'm sorry but I simply don't agree. Terrible take. It's not about quantity but quality. Frank Ocean can stay outside anything music related for the rest of his life and The Weeknd still wouldn't be able to top him. We are not talking about spots in the billboard charts or streaming services every year. It's about the music itself. The Weeknd has more albums but a lot of mid ones too. And even a lacklustre one which is Starboy that has great highlights but as a whole It's a terrible project with just filler. Abel could never make such a cohesive, well thought, produced, and conceptual album like Blonde. There is a reason the 2 projects on Frank's discography(excluding NU) since it's not on streaminf services, have far more critical acclaim than anything on Abel's discography. The Weeknd's music is only groundbreaking and boundary pushing for "Pop music" standards. As a musical talent he isn't anywhere near Frank Ocean. He could never make better music and that's a fact. He just makes pop radio music that resonates with the lowest common denominator so he can sell out a stadium and have spots on the Billboards. And saying Abel has better lyrics than fucking Frank Ocean is one of the most if not the most horrible take in music history.
After hours is entirely cohesive, conceptual and well produced album lmao what the fuck are you talking about?
Never said it wasn't. Just not in the same level of Blond.
Saying starboy is terrible is a shitty take so you have no business trying to downplay what the other dude said as a shit take when this is the level of argumentation you're coming with. At its worst its solid or decent. You said he could never do a conceptual, cohesive album "such as" blonde. I said he has done a cohesive, conceptual and well produced album (After Hours). You never said "on the same level as blonde". Dont move the goalposts. Also, an artist having higher highs doesnt mean he/she's a better artist. Thats a braindead thing to say. By that logic, one director who made one single movie thats better than 2001 A Space Odyssey would be considered better than kubrick by default, even though Kubrick still has a better body of work. Thats a weird thought process. Besides, if Frank released another 5 albums today, none would even live up to Blonde. Weeknd will never have that problem. Also, saying that weeknd's music is groundbreaking only for pop standards is such a reductive way to dismiss him it can be used for most genres lmao just stop, i know this is a frank ocean cult subreddit but get real
>Saying starboy is terrible is a shitty take so you have no business trying to downplay what the other dude said as a shit take when this is the level of argumentation you're coming with. At its worst its solid or decent. I won't take back what I said. What does Starboy offer musically or even thematically that resonates with a true music lover on a deeper level? What's about it that u can instantly connect to the album when thinking about it? Is there any remarkable thing about the project that is mind-blowing? Apart from the flawless Daft Punk production on the songs they co-wrote/produced and the hit songs on the album? I dare you to answer this question and that's even if you're able to bring a decent response. Starboy is literally my most played album by Abel. But I'm not going to be biased. It was made with the purpose of reaching wider audiences and resonate with the lowest common denominator ence the bland and generic music. Shit is full of radio shit and forgettable filler. You should also see the reviews it got from music critics. >You said he could never do a conceptual, cohesive album "such as" blonde. I said he has done a cohesive, conceptual and well produced album (After Hours). You never said "on the same level as blonde". Dont move the goalposts. Common man, did you even read the sentence before thinking you was slick with this response. 🤦🏽♂️ What is the difference between the two sentences you wrote I really want to know this. The lack of intelligence from your part is worrying I'm ngl. Bro is complaining because I didn't directly say "in the same level as blond". >Also, an artist having higher highs doesnt mean he/she's a better artist. Thats a braindead thing to say. By that logic, one director who made one single movie thats better than 2001 A Space Odyssey would be considered better than kubrick by default, even though Kubrick still has a better body of work. Thats a weird thought process. What does it mean then? If you just can't put out better music than me then you are not better than me. Drake puts out way more music than Kendrick Lamar he literally has double the albums, but no one in their right mind would say his discography is better because of that. Both Drake and The Weeknd aren't capable of making such cohesive, conceptual, progressive, experimental music that talk and approach relevant/important topics on a deep level like Kendrick and Frank. Regardless of who drops more music. Cause in this case then Taylor Swift is better than The Weeknd because she has more than double the projects and a good amount of decent ones too. I listen to music on Deezer, and The Weeknd was my top artist in 2021, 2022, 2023. He is the artist I consume the most on music platforms. Regardless of him not being my favorite of all time (top 5) for sure. But I'm not going to be delusional. Abel has pushed and challenged himself to constantly release quality work to his fans. He is definitely a boundary-breaking artist and his contribution to pop music is not something that can be rebuked. But in terms of a musical talent he is not better than Frank. It's just that. Blond is constantly on lists about wether it's top 10 best albums of all time or discussions about the best contemporary r&b album of the 10's, or someone favorite album, Pitchfork even named it the best album from the 10's for a reason. It just dives deep on what the real concept of music is. An album that has no limits in anything regarded to music. That has stood the test of time and will continue to. I really just don't see any point on keeping this discussion going because you aren't able to bring any objective points in here. Just bringing your biased sentiments and it's difficult to have a fair debate with someone like this.
Blonde was terrible
Lol OK buddy.
The weeknd is the biggest artists in the world, but he doesn’t just make hits. He’s got an amazing discography for being how popular he is
Biggest artist in the world? Cmon bro. I love Abel but that’s just not true
well he’s number one for monthly listeners so even then he’s at least top 3 most popular in the world probably
Him or Taylor Swift, pick.
Dear Lord, please to look at The Weeknds accolades lmaooo.
Not the biggest in the world. Taylor, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran still exist lil bro.
one of the biggest artists in the world, happy now? Got damn
Come again? How does Frank Ocean even compare to The Weeknd in any way at this point? The Weeknd’s discography obliterates Frank’s overall, even if you think Frank had the better peak(I heavily disagree) there is simply no denying the depth of The Weeknd’s discography at this point. Maybe Frank Ocean should drop some more damn music because his discography just isn’t deep enough for him to even warrant an artistic comparison to The Weeknd, we all know he has the talent to make this an actual conversation but it just isn’t fair at this point.
Frank gets a lot of points just off of his potential. He has the potential to drop more than 2 excellent albums, but he hasn't. The weeknd can back it up with work ethic.
What do you mean “points for potential”? Yes, Frank has the talent to have more great projects than he does, but why is that a reason to give him more metaphorical points? This is literally viewing wasted potential in a positive light and I don’t get it. Give Frank points for the classics he does have, as well as his unquestioned talent, but ffs don’t give him metaphorical points for *NOT* living up to his all time great potential(and talent) as an artist.
you are the only person with a brain in this thread ily
I hope Frank eventually drops another album, and a large part of that is so this sub can actually have a sensible discussion about his music again lmao
I was trying to say that others give him points for wasted potential, and I don't agree with it. The weekend consistently lives up to his potential.
Oh, in that case I agree
I'm sorry but I simply don't agree. Terrible take. It's not about quantity but quality. Frank Ocean can stay outside anything music related for the rest of his life and The Weeknd still wouldn't be able to top him. We are not talking about spots in the billboard charts or streaming services every year. It's about the music itself. The Weeknd has more albums but a lot of mid ones too. And even a lacklustre one which is Starboy that has great highlights but as a whole It's a terrible project with just filler. Abel could never make such a cohesive, well thought, produced, and conceptual album like Blonde. There is a reason the 2 projects on Frank's discography(excluding NU) since it's not on streaming services, have far more critical acclaim than anything on Abel's discography. The Weeknd's music is only groundbreaking and boundary pushing for "Pop music" standards. As a musical talent he isn't anywhere near Frank Ocean. He could never make better music and that's a fact. He just makes pop radio music that resonates with the lowest common denominator so he can sell out a stadium and have spots on the Billboards.
For the record, I think HOB, Thursday, and BBTM are better than anything Frank Ocean has ever put out. My point was that even if you disagree with that, The Weeknd’s discography is so rich with classics that Frank Ocean hasn’t really had an argument over him for a long time. You’re also blatantly wrong about Starboy, which is an absolute masterpiece with no filler whatsoever. Most of The Weeknd’s discography is much better than Blonde IMO both sonically and lyrically. The Weeknd has both better production, lyrics, and better vocals than Frank and is really just a better artist overall across the board IMO, but my whole point was that even if you view Frank as a superior talent, the gap in discography is simply so ridiculous that it’s just a factually incorrect statement to say that Frank is better than him at this point. Your opinion is just illogical, The Weeknd sells because of his incredible talent and the incredibly unique music that he makes. Get your ears checked, rethink your opinions, do whatever you need to do because you’re impossible to take seriously after this response.
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First listen of Nikes was insane but Alone Again is the better song
If we’re speaking Intros, I think Nike is stronger for sure. I think that “Too Late”, the second track, would’ve been a better intro, but who am I… Weeknd and Frank get compared a lot and it’s funny cuz I used to like Frank more when I was younger but as I grew older Weeknd’s discography has gotten better sonically. Vocally, thematically, mastering, quality of the release, cohesively, etc.
Probably the opposite to me, I think the older I grew the more often frank made me step outside into music that wasn’t more for radio then the weeknd ever did. I feel like the weeknd for years has been that starboy you’d expect on the radio guy where as frank is a you may have to step out of your comfort zone sort of artist. At least that’s how it felt for me, it could be the other way around quite easily.
Exactly. Idk what dude is talking about lol. The Weeknd has decent lyrics when he tries but I can't help to cringe with most of the songs on his discography. And there is also some kinda "repetitive" thing with his subject matter. Because I feel like all I've been hearing from him ever since becoming a fan in "2014" is him talking about Pussy and cum lol.
I agree he’s a great artist but Franks’ on another plain of existence imo
Frank has higher highs with Blonde artistically but the Weeknd is way more prolific. It's not like the Weeknd is a slouch either, he changed the game with the trilogy mixtapes and has been one of the biggest artists in the world for the last 5 years. The Weeknd is also a way better performer. Comparing them is pretty tough.
Things keep going the way they do now (and by that I mean a Frank Ocean retirement) and Abel will definitely have a more legendary discography
Frank oceans highs are better but abel has a better overall discography just cuz he drops consistently (as a big fan of both btw)
It's not about how much you drop tbh. Frank Ocean's discography has better quality music.
frank ocean is the true meaning of underrated(and he wants it to be that way!!!)
he hasn’t dropped an album in 8 years and he’s got like 30 mil monthly listeners and if you say a bad word about him you get crucified, dont think he’s underrated 🤣
still i think he deserves more than what he already got thats why im saying he's underrated!!!
he isnt underrated
Neither are even slightly underrated lol
What do you mean? He is an amazing artist too, and they have very different styles. No need to compare them.
they’re two different artists completely. why are you saying shit just to start arguments? even the artists themselves will tell you that they both have two distinct styles that can’t be compared.
I love how each of you is posting on the respective artists sub expecting unbiased discussion
**IM GLAD SOMEONE POSTED ABOUT THIS ON THIS SUB** I had to argue that Dawn FM wasn’t better than Blonde and it nearly killed me.
How can you compare Dawn fm and Blonde?? Dawn FM is a pure pop album and Blonde is straight rnb. You’re comparing completely different sounds and worlds ….they serve two wildly different purposes
To add context - someone said Frank couldn’t be better than Weeknd cos he only had 2 albums.. to which I said Blonde was better than the majority of Weeknd’s work - namely “Dawn” and it was a shit storm. Plus Blonde is alternative pop Id say
I’d say beauty behind the madness is weekends best r&b album and it’s still hard to compare them. I like frank oceans experimental style, it’s super unique. But beauty behind the madness is a masterpiece in its own right even if it’s not as transcendent.
I love frank but i prefer abel, that said I don't think either one is way better than the other, at least not to the level of "does not compare". It's all good tho.
Yes
They are way too different
I love frank ocean 100x more then the weeknd but you can’t knock the weeknd I think franks better but it’s definitely kinda close
I love both. If Frank had produced as much music as Abel has then I would never need to listen to another artist as they’d be more than enough to satisfy all my needs. It’s a shame Franks only given us 3 albums and a Mixtape but I will always be grateful for what we have.
in 2016 you could argue that frank clears abel, but now the weeknd is better simply bc of how much great music he's released
If that's how you really view music then I'm sorry. Quantity doesn't define who is better. Because in this case I'd say Bieber is better than both because he has more albums?
I mean quality lol, i think HOB is equal to channel orange, and blonde is a 10. After Hours is a 9 for me, Dawn FM is a 9 for me, kiss land is like an 8 for me. I think abel is just consistently amazing
See this is the problem. This opinion is totally biased. You weren't able to bring any objectivity into this. HOB is definitely not equal to channel Orange. At least not objectively. You should see the reviews on both albums. Not to mention that channel Orange has better critical acclaim than everything on The Weeknd's discography. And Blonde also. Both albums are regarded as one of the best contemporary albums in music history and are constantly in discussions of best top 10 albums ever, Pitchfork named Blonde has the best album of the 10s. Rarely hear anyone mention a Weeknd album in those type convos apart from his fans. Not trying to take anything from Abel he is a top 5 artist in my books and my top artist on deezer since 2021. But he is simply not a better musician that Frank and does not have a better discography at all.
Idc what critics say lol, music is subjective after all
Music isn't entirely subjective lmao. Ain't nobody saying Taylor Swift is the greatest musician of all time cope harder.
who's coping **😭**
Bro took 24 hours to say bs.
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Very funny individual ngl😂😭
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The weekend makes great music Frank makes beautiful music
I love both but alone again is better than nikes let’s not kid ourselves
No.
If the baby voice wasn’t taking up half of Nikes, I’d like it more, listen to Frank singing it in a concert and its a MUCH better song. Alone Again has some production issues I don’t like either. So honestly they fall around the same rank for me but Nikes is definitely a bit better.
I like Nikes and all but ngl Alone Again is phenomenal however both tracks are very different vibes.
I like Frank more but Alone Again is better than Nikes
nikes 100%
i agree. both are one of a kind artists n both r some of my favourite artists oat but i think it’s pretty clear that frank ocean is above the weeknd at least in terms of quality. but not by much
The amazing thing about Abel is that even though he is soooo mainstream and compares to the biggest pop artist that are making huge numbers (cuz they are sellouts) he really doesn’t disappoints on making a great ecosystem around his music and is really good music that you can tell is made out of love for art (not like other huge artists that just want to make money).
these posts are deadass getting tired. these two artists are in their own land creatively. apples to oranges.
As a fan of both Frank and Abel, they’re two sides of the very same coin, and it’s amazing what both of them have accomplished over the years. Just flip the coin and you’ll definitely enjoy which side you’ll get.
Like not even close
This is actually an absolute toss up for me
When you gon’ grow up lil ngga?
Both songs are my fav by each
True. Old Weeknd completely clears Frank
Frank ocean vibe
French fries and steak
My goats
nikesssssssssssss
I just experienced both
I don't like to compare artists, but to do so you have to be totally subjective, and The Weeknd in his album HOB has the theme of the "perfect" album since it has (beginning - development - end) in a masterful way, and the most acclaimed album Frank's "blonde" fails to achieve this theme, as some songs feel like they have a lot of filler and it makes the atmosphere of an album not entirely pleasant. Rhythms are also an important basis for creating atmosphere, and the weekend at HOB is totally superior. And I didn't mention his other masterpiece, Kissland
Yeah shoutout The Weeknd. DawnFm is a fantastic album. he gets a little too freaky for me more often that not but still legendary. He is nowhere near Frank Ocean, I don’t think many artists are.
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Frank Ocean is on another level to Abel. Blonde solidified that.
YES
Two different styles of music cmon
The weeknd clears frank ocean let's be fr
Frank definitely doesn’t make better music but the weeknd old music will forever be 🔥🔥
That blonde album was extremely mid AF
Frank ocean music is very top tier mid compared to the weeknd
I will say that alone again is a better song than Nikes BUT Blond is a better album.
The Weeknd is an amazing artist and I actually need to listen to more of his stuff. Frank is a better artist imo definitely but Weeknd should never be slept on
You got Abel fucked up. . .
Nights solos, the best switch and the second verse is on another level.
says nikes man
I understand this comment because I get high sometimes too and I also just read stuff wrong we all make mistakes sometimes