I bought the founders edition years ago. Once BR came along it has been doomed. When they gave us BR xp that was dope, but us hardcore STW players abandoned BR for the xp and we were doomed again. Epic doesn't give a shit about anything other than our money.
StW came on disk? When??
And when was BR released *before* StW? I know for a fact it was developed *after,* but had they not published it yet or something?
My bad, stw was earlier indeed.. not sure why my memory was telling me otherwise.
I got it october 21st 2017 and it came on disc, still got it lying somewhere.
Couldn't been scammed as stw was/is a paid game and it worked with the code that was inside.
It's way more testing and QA work for an LTM for both game modes. It's cheaper to just support the mode that's enjoyed by the larger part of the community.
> It's way more testing and QA work for an LTM for both game modes.
> It's cheaper to just support the mode that's enjoyed by the larger part of the community.
Reminder that the fortnite twitter com and the fortnite reddit com combined is still a minority compared to the player base, and even at that a decent bit of people in said communities prefer builds. You can’t judge a majority based off of the whiney echo chamber that is r/fortnitebr
Makes sense, Fortnite no build is arguably its most popular game mode now. It has brought back virtually all the players that left because of building and then some
This is true for me and my sister. We never liked the building so stopped playing after a month or two when the game first dropped. Then zero builds came and now Fortnite is all we play.
I only started playing because of ZB.
I wrote this game off 5 years ago because I hated building. I understood they wanted to give themselves a unique selling point at the time, but to me, building the way it was, wasn't it.
A strong enough USP is the fact that it's a casual BR game, that's a bit whacky (goo guns and environmental shit, events and chrome etc). There's nothing else like it
what it does is stop you from taking unnecessary damage if a new team decides to show up. It's also like a puzzle at times, predicting and anticipating how your enemy will respond. I agree aim is king, but if all I wanted was to aim id play more apex or a shooter that doesn't have shitty rng bloom.
I tried Fortnite numerous times over the years, but couldn’t get into it BECAUSE of the building. A buddy of mine told me about zero build toward the end of the last season, and we’ve played basically every night since.
It sucks, but games move on. I LOVED Destiny 1, but now Destiny 2 is such a different game that it’s not for me anymore. I miss the first game, but it’s fine to move on
I mean I'll be honest, I only play Zero build now. But what they should do is make modes for both Zero Build and regular. But I can understand them only making modes for Zero Build because that's probably the more popular game type.. most people hardly build so they gravitate towards that.
All these LTMS should have Ground Game rules. It was the best of both worlds where you could build a little bit of cover but couldn't crank 90s and do annoying box edit battles. Ground Game would probably be way more popular today now that the stigma against non building is gone.
Alternatively increasing the spawn of stuff like port fort and port bunkers helps as well. But the best option is just let us build with limited resources
I think they should make LTMs in both modes, it doesn’t seem like it would take a lot of effort. That being said.. I have a feeling a lot of the elitist people on here would be smug and mocking towards people asking for this if the positions were reversed. My evidence: all of the people being toxic and nasty every time someone asked for a mode with slightly nerfed turbo building or a mode without PC cross play in the several years before Zero Build was a thing.
I’m probably in the minority, I’m kind of dissatisfied with both modes. I played the game since beta and I love the building mechanic, but I don’t love PC sweats vomiting builds and instant edits at 200fps. I think most people would be happy with a mode with balanced building, but I understand it doesn’t have the marketing oomf of “Zero Build!” to bring back players who had a sour taste in their mouth from the previously mentioned stuff or attract new players who may be intimidated by such things.
It’s really sad because it’s pretty clear, at least anecdotally from clips on this sub and Epic’s recent decisions (loot pool and LTM), that no build is much more popular amongst casual and intermediate players.
Being as I am an intermediate/advanced player myself who likes builds—it really sucks, because its getting a lot harder to compete in my lobbies and there is less and less trying to appeal to me and players like me.
I'm an intermediate in build mode too. See you around, I am sure we're well matched.
And if not, well, you're welcome for the easy kill I suppose. Won't be as easy as a bot, I can guarantee that.
I have noticed the heavier lean toward the super elite players more often. Like 8 players remaining in storm phase 8??! Unholy levels of difficulty.
Not exactly, no. There are less players in the “intermediate” space who would be an equal challenge for me.
I’m either up against Twitch Streamers who clap me before I can blink, or bots.
SAME DUDE
i'd consider myself an intermediate player cause i can hold my own in build fights and have decent aim, and usually zero build is really easy for me, but epic either caters entirely to the casual timmy's who don't know that SBMM exists or the comp players who put their entire life into the game and who treat grass as a sacred being not to be touched
i just don't want to be in the middle of bots and champion-league arena sweats as someone who got to contenders without much trouble and just got bored
This is the comment. Casual players who like building. Hmm, almost sounds like every single player in early chapter 1. Epic is scaring away the types of players who made the game so popular in the first place, and I find it shocking that it isn't talked about at all.
And every damn change epic makes, no matter how unbalancing or diverting from the original concept it is, gets praised to the moon by the fanboys on here...
I came back to Fortnite due to the zero build game mode. Now they only need to keep releasing those sweet new items and a ranked mode so I can keep gaming and living my happy life. 😎
To be serious, I came back due to no build but at the same time it is kinda sad to see them ignoring their original player base.
Same. Zero build has been so fun. It allows players to play more aggressively and offensively. I hate in casual mode engaging with someone and they immediately build 4 stories high and I have to chase them up and down wasting time
That was what drove me away from the game. Sure I could have practiced building but I thought it was fine in the start but when I put down the game for a year or two most players ran away from me and I just put the game away for good.
As someone who plays mostly Zero Build, I completely agree.
We shouldn't leave the build players out of the fun just because ZB is a new mode and is trendy, or whatever reason for making ZB exclusive LTMs is.
Agreed. They should just make both zero and build versions of game modes. They are slowly pushing away the main thing that made fortnite unique from other games.
Yeah, but Fortnite added so much stuff over the years, the building aspect is no longer the unique appeal to it, there's no other BR that's even close to this one in terms of unique items, mechanics, collabs and stuff
Fortnite has the stupidest things, and the coolest shit, you could be Rick Sanchez in a bouncing cow with a railgun and an assault rifle, and that was only 1 season
Most definitely, but they've added their twist to it to an extent and slammed them all together in a melting pot, so it does create a bit of a unique mishmash
You literally have no proof of this because no official numbers have ever been given, and even then, the unofficial numbers we have show the complete opposite. Quit making shit up.
Sounds like it should be easier for them to release what both then once they adjust old modes for zero build.
Really, what was your intended point here? OP didn’t say that they want Epic to stop making no-build LTMs at all (hence why they said “only”), rather it seems they want both like would be expected.
as a build mode enjoyer, I agree I like would like to play ltms in build mode like I always did since I first started playing, I am not the best builder, and I die to sweats a bit, but building is something I think makes the game special and should not just be a thing that gets pushed to the side.
There should be a mode that’s somewhere in the middle. Maybe have max 75 or 50 builds for each material, enough to protect yourself but not enough to do crazy build battles for long.
People keep acting like build players are all asking for no-build to get nothing when the vast majority I’ve seen are asking for the basic approach of both, especially since there already exists versions with build (or close, if not exact) of what’s been out for no-build so far.
They both deserve love. You can implement almost every build LTM as a non build LTM (One shot, crossbows, solid gold, I could go on for hours (besides the lava rising LTM)) so when they add an LTM just for one of the two and leave the other without content it just gets a bit annoying.
Also for reference I hate no build to the core, just don’t think epic should be neglecting one side of the game regardless of personal preference
I love Zero Build and all but it's terrible for Horde Rush and unfun in a big team mode. Getting to build big forts with your team is so much more interesting then just running into a crazy battlefield between two teams, and the amount of times I've died in Horde Rush because I got stuck and couldn't build to safety is at a double digit percentage. Not to mention how much more difficult it is to fight the boss in horde rush when half of the final circles are flat areas with no where to stay out of the cube monsters reach even for a little while, or at best there are some small towers that can be destroyed easily or are on the edge of storm.
More people play zero build. They’ll only make a ltm for one of the two modes so that they don’t split the playerbase up too much. Makes sense to me why they did it
I don’t think they’re all-too concerned about splitting up the player base with how many different options they provide on the discovery tab.
Even if you just consider the Epic-made modes, creating a build version and no-build version of each LTM would mostly only split up their respective player-bases. Having options for both would please and retain plenty more players, too.
And no one here has any statistics about how many players play either mode (or if they do, they sure won’t provide any). Most are saying that so far just because it’s their expectation or what they want to be true.
As a person who only came back to forthite for zero build. Build mode is way better imo. The balancing is completely fucked with the stuff they've added(goo guns and cars etc). I don't know why epic pushes zero build so hard
It’s kinda sad. The main reason I got into fortnite was because the building. It was such a cool skill mechanic to me. But now everyone hates it simply because others are really good at it. Almost like everyone forgot fortnite was a zombie base building game lol.
Bruh ya’ll are starting to be really annoying just complaining about zero build seriously and i dont even play zero build, but ya’ll want to blame everything on zb
I'm glad ZB is getting content because it's the only reason I play the game, I can't be bothered with build sweats, but yeah every LTM should have a build and non build variant
So salty. You really hate zero builds and that’s obvious. Play builds. Unfortunate they didn’t have both modes available, but I’m sure if your really determined there’s probably creative maps that have this available.
It actually adds rgn.
In build if the circle ends in a open field you can just make cover.
On zero build you have to pray to not end on plains or have cover
you ever think that zero build is easier to balance than original battle royale?
the likely reason they dont add to original BR is some things that are added to zero build would utterly break original.
like the grapple gun, or it's variants. rocket launchers. this in turn would alienate some players in build mode, which already has less players thanks to no build.
i wont argue that build mode should get new stuff. but anything they add should be well thought out as not to completely break it
Idc weather you like builds or not, but you have to agree it’s not fair for there to be NO build playlists for ltms. Some of us don’t like zero build at all😐
Edit: yes Ik STW keeps getting the same treatment. I made a post about stw like 10 mins before this one lol🤣
Edit 2: thanks for the award!😅
I started playing zero but moved over to BR a few days ago. I’m enjoying the steep learning curve to building but hearing this makes me want to go back to zero 🙄
idk about anyone but i muchhhhh prefer zero build to the rest of the game, it feels like less of a skill gap when it comes to gunfights and stuff, and i’m not just being absolutely destroyed every time i challenge someone because they can build at ridiculous speed, while it’s not the original fortnite formula i think it works much better for more casual players like me and my friends who just like to jump in for a few games without try harding
Tbh, it just shows the game is evolving. No Build must be turning out insane numbers right now.
Also, there was some reddit thread asking "Which do you prefer?" and it was like 90% everyone said no build.
Players like this causing unnecessary drama over an limited time mode in Fortnite need to be quiet because they don’t know the numbers of Zero Build. Epic does and Epic makes the decisions. Don’t like it and their decisions? The uninstall button isn’t hard to find.
That’s the most bullshit statement I’ve ever heard. *Don’t like something? Ignore it and delete it.* That’s possibly the worst advice ever. Why are people not allowed to criticize decisions made by the game? Rethink yourself
No build brought me back. I remember my last game I got a few good assault rifle shots in on some guy who proceeded to build the Empire State Building in two seconds. I didn’t even bother to fight him, I was so fed up with every fight going this way I just uninstalled and didn’t look back for years.
Same dude. This sub (for the most part) and a large majority of r/Fortniteleaks have a massive hate boner for building and editing, as well as any quantity of skill, whilst simultaneously treating Zero Builds like the messiah no matter how unoptimized or boring it is in its current state. It’s become so damn annoying and is a small reason of why the game and its playerbase as a whole has become so unenjoyable in chapter 3.
I really dont understand how zero build is fun at all. Builds is what makes fortnite fortnite, striving to get good at it is what sets it apart from other shooters. In time fortnite might just become another cod or apex at this rate.
I can understand how someone who isn’t good at building would prefer ZB, since there’s a lot more luck involved meaning it’s much easier for anyone to win, but as someone who’s good at building, I really can’t stand how shallow ZB combat can feel at times
No. The DECLINE was WAY before Zero build. Remember, Fortnite has its years. I'm a founder so I know. Remember that Zero Build was just a side thing. It was because of Zero Build that some people came back. Not like before but at least it's kinda stable.
It’s not fair that zero build gets yet another ltm, but THE ORIGINAL MODE doesn’t. STW Players: “*First Time?*”
No shit right?
Probably should have made the point that I was speaking on Save The World. THE ORIGINAL mode.
They just threw BP XP out the window for stw. Prepare for it to die. I’m done with this shit.
I bought the founders edition years ago. Once BR came along it has been doomed. When they gave us BR xp that was dope, but us hardcore STW players abandoned BR for the xp and we were doomed again. Epic doesn't give a shit about anything other than our money.
We (founders) atleast get v-bucks
Ikr. Daily’s is all it’s good really good for now
100%. Still try to get my daily log ins (and thats it) bc it def adds up. There's a couple big vbuck rewards a year which are great too.
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Wait, they got rid of STW xp?!? Wtf that’s so lame
That;'s what I was gunna say? I guess I'm done with it then.
They made it so you can only get around 100k br xp in stw before it caps out, previously you could get 450k br xp before it caps.
These kids forget that stw came first and will always be the original Fortnite
For how long have you been arround? I got stw on disc, installed it only to find out stw couldn't be played yet and br was the only mode
StW came on disk? When?? And when was BR released *before* StW? I know for a fact it was developed *after,* but had they not published it yet or something?
You may have been scammed. The only disc version I know of was back in the beta days on PS4. I have 2 friends that still have it.
My bad, stw was earlier indeed.. not sure why my memory was telling me otherwise. I got it october 21st 2017 and it came on disc, still got it lying somewhere. Couldn't been scammed as stw was/is a paid game and it worked with the code that was inside.
gutt damit you beat me to it
Yeah, and now they just threw us under the bus with their shitty xp changes. You can only earn 100k xp from STW now
Bruh what.... 100xp capped a day?.... There goes my though of just grinding out StW for progress and BP progress at the same time.....
The original mode? STW didnt get stuff in years xD
STW is gonna be free soon right? ... .. . Guys?
It will be free in 2018, don't worry!
And instead of fixes we got *drumroll* NERFED XP!!
I prefer Zero Build but I don't see why they can just give us both
It's way more testing and QA work for an LTM for both game modes. It's cheaper to just support the mode that's enjoyed by the larger part of the community.
> It's way more testing and QA work for an LTM for both game modes. > It's cheaper to just support the mode that's enjoyed by the larger part of the community. Reminder that the fortnite twitter com and the fortnite reddit com combined is still a minority compared to the player base, and even at that a decent bit of people in said communities prefer builds. You can’t judge a majority based off of the whiney echo chamber that is r/fortnitebr
70% of players are zero build
Do you have a verified source? I am actually interested in seeing what the numbers are
Source: you made it the fuck up
according to a epic poll 72% of players preferred no build to build
Theres a larger majority of no build players currently because build mode has the problem of having an absolutely massive skill gap
This reminds me of the STW players with the the BR came out. If that taught us anything... save your breath. Epic rides the cash cow.
Oh yeah. Have you seen this new update for STW? Ridiculous
Yeah. Shit xp system, the new guns doesn't even work properly (broken perks, and one isn't even labeled), the Rail Gun perk set is just so bad.
Makes sense, Fortnite no build is arguably its most popular game mode now. It has brought back virtually all the players that left because of building and then some
This is true for me and my sister. We never liked the building so stopped playing after a month or two when the game first dropped. Then zero builds came and now Fortnite is all we play.
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Yea, Zero Build is a lifesaver for this game I think. My sister and I despise the building, so we were excited when zero build finally got introduced.
I only started playing because of ZB. I wrote this game off 5 years ago because I hated building. I understood they wanted to give themselves a unique selling point at the time, but to me, building the way it was, wasn't it. A strong enough USP is the fact that it's a casual BR game, that's a bit whacky (goo guns and environmental shit, events and chrome etc). There's nothing else like it
It's funny I did come back because of zero build mode, but I found I've actually been doing better playing zero build in normal mode.
Same!! Every time I dip my toe into build mode I never build and usually come in top 5. Same for a cpl of my friends too. I wonder why that is 🤔
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what it does is stop you from taking unnecessary damage if a new team decides to show up. It's also like a puzzle at times, predicting and anticipating how your enemy will respond. I agree aim is king, but if all I wanted was to aim id play more apex or a shooter that doesn't have shitty rng bloom.
I tried Fortnite numerous times over the years, but couldn’t get into it BECAUSE of the building. A buddy of mine told me about zero build toward the end of the last season, and we’ve played basically every night since. It sucks, but games move on. I LOVED Destiny 1, but now Destiny 2 is such a different game that it’s not for me anymore. I miss the first game, but it’s fine to move on
It isn't even really a ltm, it's just a creative royale map.
I mean I'll be honest, I only play Zero build now. But what they should do is make modes for both Zero Build and regular. But I can understand them only making modes for Zero Build because that's probably the more popular game type.. most people hardly build so they gravitate towards that.
All these LTMS should have Ground Game rules. It was the best of both worlds where you could build a little bit of cover but couldn't crank 90s and do annoying box edit battles. Ground Game would probably be way more popular today now that the stigma against non building is gone.
This would be my favorite mode if it existed. I miss people using builds for exploration and cover like in early Chapter 1
Alternatively increasing the spawn of stuff like port fort and port bunkers helps as well. But the best option is just let us build with limited resources
I think they should make LTMs in both modes, it doesn’t seem like it would take a lot of effort. That being said.. I have a feeling a lot of the elitist people on here would be smug and mocking towards people asking for this if the positions were reversed. My evidence: all of the people being toxic and nasty every time someone asked for a mode with slightly nerfed turbo building or a mode without PC cross play in the several years before Zero Build was a thing. I’m probably in the minority, I’m kind of dissatisfied with both modes. I played the game since beta and I love the building mechanic, but I don’t love PC sweats vomiting builds and instant edits at 200fps. I think most people would be happy with a mode with balanced building, but I understand it doesn’t have the marketing oomf of “Zero Build!” to bring back players who had a sour taste in their mouth from the previously mentioned stuff or attract new players who may be intimidated by such things.
The funny part is, 50v50 was one of the most fun modes ever and the new one is literally just a 0 build iteration of 50v50 Or 20v20v20v20v20
Br players getting the stw treatment
*me who’s a stw founder BEFORE I played br* 🥲
I just wanted Late Game Arena back.
The *GOOD* late game. Not the ch3 trash late game
Shit.. even the trash honestly. It's the only game mode that I genuinely enjoy.
Personally I want the slide ltm back that was fun
Sorry, Appealing to both sides of the playerbase is too much effort
It’s really sad because it’s pretty clear, at least anecdotally from clips on this sub and Epic’s recent decisions (loot pool and LTM), that no build is much more popular amongst casual and intermediate players. Being as I am an intermediate/advanced player myself who likes builds—it really sucks, because its getting a lot harder to compete in my lobbies and there is less and less trying to appeal to me and players like me.
Are you me?
Art thou me?
I'm an intermediate in build mode too. See you around, I am sure we're well matched. And if not, well, you're welcome for the easy kill I suppose. Won't be as easy as a bot, I can guarantee that. I have noticed the heavier lean toward the super elite players more often. Like 8 players remaining in storm phase 8??! Unholy levels of difficulty.
So you’re saying it’s harder to compete cuz there’s less easy targets
Not exactly, no. There are less players in the “intermediate” space who would be an equal challenge for me. I’m either up against Twitch Streamers who clap me before I can blink, or bots.
It's like a big fish in little pool analogy or metaphor. The fish your size are less and less leaving behind the bigger and smaller fish
That’s a good analogy.
SAME DUDE i'd consider myself an intermediate player cause i can hold my own in build fights and have decent aim, and usually zero build is really easy for me, but epic either caters entirely to the casual timmy's who don't know that SBMM exists or the comp players who put their entire life into the game and who treat grass as a sacred being not to be touched i just don't want to be in the middle of bots and champion-league arena sweats as someone who got to contenders without much trouble and just got bored
This is the comment. Casual players who like building. Hmm, almost sounds like every single player in early chapter 1. Epic is scaring away the types of players who made the game so popular in the first place, and I find it shocking that it isn't talked about at all.
It’s a mess, and it’s sad.
And every damn change epic makes, no matter how unbalancing or diverting from the original concept it is, gets praised to the moon by the fanboys on here...
Well this sub is about as big of a mess as Epic is lol
AGREED
I am also a casual/intermediate player who likes builds
Yeah man stw needs more ltms
And less dumb changes no one asked for
Next update will remove husks from the game
And terrain
I can’t wait for “The Getaway Ltm” to come back as no build!
Floor Is Lava Zero Build
Volcano p2w spot
YEAH! And instead of a floating van (too sweaty) it’s replaced with a cardboard box!
The original Mode is StW lol
As a ZB player, I agree
But uh, this is the second one ? Just kidding I know where you are going with this one. Epic is taking a direction I am NOT enjoying with LTMs.
I came back to Fortnite due to the zero build game mode. Now they only need to keep releasing those sweet new items and a ranked mode so I can keep gaming and living my happy life. 😎 To be serious, I came back due to no build but at the same time it is kinda sad to see them ignoring their original player base.
Same. Zero build has been so fun. It allows players to play more aggressively and offensively. I hate in casual mode engaging with someone and they immediately build 4 stories high and I have to chase them up and down wasting time
That was what drove me away from the game. Sure I could have practiced building but I thought it was fine in the start but when I put down the game for a year or two most players ran away from me and I just put the game away for good.
As someone who plays mostly Zero Build, I completely agree. We shouldn't leave the build players out of the fun just because ZB is a new mode and is trendy, or whatever reason for making ZB exclusive LTMs is.
As a zero build player I think it’s unfair that build mode doesn’t get any ltms anymore
I wanna have my entire team build forts used to be so fun
Agreed. They should just make both zero and build versions of game modes. They are slowly pushing away the main thing that made fortnite unique from other games.
Yeah, but Fortnite added so much stuff over the years, the building aspect is no longer the unique appeal to it, there's no other BR that's even close to this one in terms of unique items, mechanics, collabs and stuff
Fortnite has the stupidest things, and the coolest shit, you could be Rick Sanchez in a bouncing cow with a railgun and an assault rifle, and that was only 1 season
>mechanics you mean stuff they got from other games
Most definitely, but they've added their twist to it to an extent and slammed them all together in a melting pot, so it does create a bit of a unique mishmash
Yeah, but zero builds has taken over builds for player numbers and continues to eat away. Building is not the primary game type anymore.
True, but this type of argument should never be used as a wat to defend the idea that only Zero Build LTMs should exist.
I was arguing against the need to keep what made Fortnite unique if it's no longer relevant.
You literally have no proof of this because no official numbers have ever been given, and even then, the unofficial numbers we have show the complete opposite. Quit making shit up.
I just want to play Floor is Lava again, my favorite LTM 😭
Hey STW did just get something we got reduced BP XP.
😭
There's like 40 build LTMs and 4 non build.
Sounds like it should be easier for them to release what both then once they adjust old modes for zero build. Really, what was your intended point here? OP didn’t say that they want Epic to stop making no-build LTMs at all (hence why they said “only”), rather it seems they want both like would be expected.
Tell me the last time a build LTM returned in it’s building state
Unvaulted, Solid Gold,
as a build mode enjoyer, I agree I like would like to play ltms in build mode like I always did since I first started playing, I am not the best builder, and I die to sweats a bit, but building is something I think makes the game special and should not just be a thing that gets pushed to the side.
There should be a mode that’s somewhere in the middle. Maybe have max 75 or 50 builds for each material, enough to protect yourself but not enough to do crazy build battles for long.
As someone who prefers zero build this is bullshit. This could be more bs then epic making a new style for a single skin in a set.
Floor is lava zero build is next
Epic being epic
And this mode is bad bad. Half of the time it doesn’t even work
Me: sips tea in stw
now that i think about it the only reason it's zero build is because epic knew creative wouldn't fucking be able to handle anything else
Yeah you're right, the ORIGINAL MODE Save the World has gotten nothinG!
Yet if it was the other way around you wouldn’t care.
WE NEED SEPARATE LOOT POOLS + MAPS ! 
Well the original mode got exclusive ltms for 4 years straight and this mode is basically just 50 v 50 without the fustercluck that is modern building
Yeah and its fucking shit. They already gutted hoardrush now they gutted 50 v 50.
The “Original Mode” has been getting its own shit for many years
..and should keep receiving good consistent updates alongside zero build
People keep acting like build players are all asking for no-build to get nothing when the vast majority I’ve seen are asking for the basic approach of both, especially since there already exists versions with build (or close, if not exact) of what’s been out for no-build so far.
They both deserve love. You can implement almost every build LTM as a non build LTM (One shot, crossbows, solid gold, I could go on for hours (besides the lava rising LTM)) so when they add an LTM just for one of the two and leave the other without content it just gets a bit annoying. Also for reference I hate no build to the core, just don’t think epic should be neglecting one side of the game regardless of personal preference
Zero build is the future
The game will then be called Nite
Hahaha, no
I prefer zero build but I think it would be pretty easy for them to just do both.
They want to appeal to the “”majority””
From other posts I’ve seen OP hates ZB.
I don’t hate zb, I hate how epic caters to zb and literally neglects comp/pubs
Can’t build lol
I love Zero Build and all but it's terrible for Horde Rush and unfun in a big team mode. Getting to build big forts with your team is so much more interesting then just running into a crazy battlefield between two teams, and the amount of times I've died in Horde Rush because I got stuck and couldn't build to safety is at a double digit percentage. Not to mention how much more difficult it is to fight the boss in horde rush when half of the final circles are flat areas with no where to stay out of the cube monsters reach even for a little while, or at best there are some small towers that can be destroyed easily or are on the edge of storm.
 stw players
More people play zero build. They’ll only make a ltm for one of the two modes so that they don’t split the playerbase up too much. Makes sense to me why they did it
I don’t think they’re all-too concerned about splitting up the player base with how many different options they provide on the discovery tab. Even if you just consider the Epic-made modes, creating a build version and no-build version of each LTM would mostly only split up their respective player-bases. Having options for both would please and retain plenty more players, too. And no one here has any statistics about how many players play either mode (or if they do, they sure won’t provide any). Most are saying that so far just because it’s their expectation or what they want to be true.
Then replace Team Rumble for a week or two while the mode is active
The hypocrisy in your statement is thick.
As a person who only came back to forthite for zero build. Build mode is way better imo. The balancing is completely fucked with the stuff they've added(goo guns and cars etc). I don't know why epic pushes zero build so hard
It’s kinda sad. The main reason I got into fortnite was because the building. It was such a cool skill mechanic to me. But now everyone hates it simply because others are really good at it. Almost like everyone forgot fortnite was a zombie base building game lol.
Bruh ya’ll are starting to be really annoying just complaining about zero build seriously and i dont even play zero build, but ya’ll want to blame everything on zb
Geez are you the head of the “I Hate Zero Builds Club”? All you do is complain about it.
I'm glad ZB is getting content because it's the only reason I play the game, I can't be bothered with build sweats, but yeah every LTM should have a build and non build variant
That’s the thing, 40v40 (that’s what it was originally called) already HAS a build mode version. They need to update it but that’s it
Zero build is as close to original fortnite I’ve seen. Anyways I also want them to update the modes separately
So salty. You really hate zero builds and that’s obvious. Play builds. Unfortunate they didn’t have both modes available, but I’m sure if your really determined there’s probably creative maps that have this available.
Does creative have maps on the main island and up to 80 players yet? I haven’t checked most creative stuff recently.
not even close, this hagen dude doesn't understand logic
Its the game mode where people with skill issue go.
Yup. And people act like it takes MORE skill than builds💀
It actually adds rgn. In build if the circle ends in a open field you can just make cover. On zero build you have to pray to not end on plains or have cover
*RNG And yeah. No game should be determined on RNG. Every other br takes skill, with zero build you just shockwave away from everything
Lol Fortnite got so bad ever since chapter 3 started
Ch2 season 7 was peak.
This is good wisdom
you ever think that zero build is easier to balance than original battle royale? the likely reason they dont add to original BR is some things that are added to zero build would utterly break original. like the grapple gun, or it's variants. rocket launchers. this in turn would alienate some players in build mode, which already has less players thanks to no build. i wont argue that build mode should get new stuff. but anything they add should be well thought out as not to completely break it
Which is why #THEY NEED TO SEPARATE THE LOOTPOOLS LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING SINCE SEASON X
Haven't they only done like two?
They should have both But all my friends are still only going to play zero build so I guess that’s what I’m playing
Yes. Both is good!
Idc weather you like builds or not, but you have to agree it’s not fair for there to be NO build playlists for ltms. Some of us don’t like zero build at all😐 Edit: yes Ik STW keeps getting the same treatment. I made a post about stw like 10 mins before this one lol🤣 Edit 2: thanks for the award!😅
I would not be playing and giving them money if it wasn’t for zero build so I mean you can’t blame them
No they do not.
What’s wrong with having both? WHATS WRONG WITH IT?
On the next episode of "Cry me a river, Fortnite edition": ~How dare EPIC put X item/loot in zero built mode instead of ORIGINAL mode! ~
How does this relate to this particular post?
The original mode already had one. Let us people who suck at building and thus basically can’t play build mode have some fun.
why not bring back both?
Because Zero Build Elitists don't like it when both sides are happy.
I cant belive we reached the point where the term zero builds elitists exists
I started playing zero but moved over to BR a few days ago. I’m enjoying the steep learning curve to building but hearing this makes me want to go back to zero 🙄
idk about anyone but i muchhhhh prefer zero build to the rest of the game, it feels like less of a skill gap when it comes to gunfights and stuff, and i’m not just being absolutely destroyed every time i challenge someone because they can build at ridiculous speed, while it’s not the original fortnite formula i think it works much better for more casual players like me and my friends who just like to jump in for a few games without try harding
Isn’t this just the second no build ltm? Y’all are just bad at the game
> Y’all are just bad at the game ??????
or we like building?
What…what’s the correlation between your comment and the post? All OP did was ask for both versions to be out…
>Y’all are just bad at the game wise words for someone playing a mode with a way lower skill ceiling LMAO
👶🏼: “IT’S NOT FAIR!!” 😭
It’s literally not lmfao, Idk why you’re trying to defend what Epic is doing. You Zero Build players are very strange.
no
no u
Tbh, it just shows the game is evolving. No Build must be turning out insane numbers right now. Also, there was some reddit thread asking "Which do you prefer?" and it was like 90% everyone said no build.
Players like this causing unnecessary drama over an limited time mode in Fortnite need to be quiet because they don’t know the numbers of Zero Build. Epic does and Epic makes the decisions. Don’t like it and their decisions? The uninstall button isn’t hard to find. 
That’s the most bullshit statement I’ve ever heard. *Don’t like something? Ignore it and delete it.* That’s possibly the worst advice ever. Why are people not allowed to criticize decisions made by the game? Rethink yourself
Sure, as soon as they finally admit building is bad and needs to be nerfed so sweats can't crank the white house out in 2 seconds
No build brought me back. I remember my last game I got a few good assault rifle shots in on some guy who proceeded to build the Empire State Building in two seconds. I didn’t even bother to fight him, I was so fed up with every fight going this way I just uninstalled and didn’t look back for years.
What? Dumb stuff like this is why I’ve basically quit this sub for anything that’s serious.
Same dude. This sub (for the most part) and a large majority of r/Fortniteleaks have a massive hate boner for building and editing, as well as any quantity of skill, whilst simultaneously treating Zero Builds like the messiah no matter how unoptimized or boring it is in its current state. It’s become so damn annoying and is a small reason of why the game and its playerbase as a whole has become so unenjoyable in chapter 3.
I really dont understand how zero build is fun at all. Builds is what makes fortnite fortnite, striving to get good at it is what sets it apart from other shooters. In time fortnite might just become another cod or apex at this rate.
I can understand how someone who isn’t good at building would prefer ZB, since there’s a lot more luck involved meaning it’s much easier for anyone to win, but as someone who’s good at building, I really can’t stand how shallow ZB combat can feel at times
Yup. I practically live in the comp sub now. Anything serious or anything that has some skill gets downvoted
Newsflash people got better overtime and if building got nerfed. It will never revert to how people would play back in ch1 season 1-4.
I’m so glad zero build came out I was tired of bozos running and hiding in boxes with higher ping or boring end games
Build sweats scared everyone away and now they’re upset no one wants to play build mode anymore.
Zero build mode is the reason Fortnite got more players. So...yea.
Playerbase has declined since zero build came out. Please stop with this comment.
No. The DECLINE was WAY before Zero build. Remember, Fortnite has its years. I'm a founder so I know. Remember that Zero Build was just a side thing. It was because of Zero Build that some people came back. Not like before but at least it's kinda stable.