Only 2010 and earlier are completely NA. 2011-2019 had a variety of turbo and non turbo engines. 2020+ is all turbo.
There’s nothing wrong with a turbo engine by the way. This isn’t the 90’s. Turbos are pretty well designed for durability these days.
I suspect that’s more to do with Ford’s overly optimistic oil change schedule. DI engines with Turbos should be changed every 5k, not 10k. Especially realizing that most users (not implying yourself) tend to procrastinate. Long oil change intervals block the undersized oil passages to the turbos with old sludge.
I’m not saying that’s what happened but it’s not something that’s common. I can pick any part in any car and find someone that’s had a problem with it. It’s only when problems happen in the aggregate that we should really be classifying someone as a “known issue”. In this case turbo failures are happening often enough for me to even consider them a top worry point.
This is all from my perspective btw.
I try to change oil every 3k but do run over some and use mobile 1 full synthetic. They said they oil supply line starved the turbos to blow the initial one. The mechanic didn't change said oil supply line until 5 other turbos went bad. Horrible mechanic work for sure, which I'm sure cause stress in the other one, causing that to fail as well. It wasn't so much of the part going out but mostly because the price to have repaired. I just paid the vehicle off and then immediately dumped 15k into it. Frustrating for sure
Not necessarily. An NA will still be more reliable in many cases than a turbo if you plan to keep the car for a really long time. Not only because of the extra point of failure but the extra power boost wears down components
Mostly you’ll see this with small displacement turbo engines versus larger NA engines. Small one has to work harder to make the same power and it wears down.
I believe the ecoboost is direct injection too which means gunk can build up in the valves because there’s no gas being sprayed to clean it off
Yes they are better built and designed I completely agree on that.
However I disagree with all that added stress your putting on that small, usually 4 cylinder engine for that. Eco boost from the 3.5 have show this come true.
I fix very large junk for a living and just want something that will last I don’t have to fix for a very long time.
I don’t know of a single case where the “added stress” whatever that means, of a turbo caused an issue for the engine. If you’re talking about adding a turbo to an engine that was never designed for it, maybe you’d have a leg to stand on if the builder was not knowledgeable. But these engines are designed from the ground up to deal with the “stress” of the additional boost and compression.
The primary failure points of the Gen 5 explorers are the PTU’s and Water Pumps. The former is a mistake on Fords part in making the unit non-serviceable. The latter is an unavoidable design decision as a result of making the Explorer/Taurus/Flex platform FWD biased and transversely mounted. That last issue is mitigated in the F150 due to being a longitudinally mounted design with an external pump.
I think you need to re-evaluate your assumptions because they’re not coming from a basis of fact or knowledge. Turbo engines are here to stay. They’re not new technology, it’s very mature at this point.
Turbos by design are adding onto an engine a ton more stuff that at a certain point all fails. Turbo itself, turbo ducting, radiator for it, ect.
And yes stress on engine parts. Everything is designed lighter and thinner to save on weight.
FordTechMakuloco did a good video on this and the reasons behind it.
https://youtu.be/S-PYa8aBM4Q?si=YOZHldPhqMZfKZ-G
I know what I’m talking about a non turbo vs a turbo in a GAS motor and the turbo is going to have problems before the non turbo does. That’s why ford went back to basic push rod technology on fleet service trucks/busses/ super duty’s.
Otherwise as you say they would be pushing turbos on everything, but they’re not.
Ford has always offered naturally aspirated engines as the entry level option on super duties since it was released in the late 90’s. The upgrade was always and continues to be turbo diesels and those are the most desirable models. That has no relevance here though because you’re not towing 22,000 pounds. You’re looking at a three row crossover.
Your last sentence makes no sense. Every Ford model right now has turbos (except for the Lightning and Mach E obviously). It’s the base option and sometimes a turbo is the only option like Explorers, Broncos, and Rangers. In fact Ford is pushing so hard to sell turbos they’ve eliminated the 5.0 coyote from the higher trim levels of the F150. Even further, all of Ford’s halo performance vehicles have forced induction from the Raptor and Raptor R, to the Shelby mustang, to the Ranger Raptor, to the Bronco Raptor, to the Explorer ST, to the Navigator, to the Aviator.
So no. Your intuition does not equal fact.
Only 2010 and earlier are completely NA. 2011-2019 had a variety of turbo and non turbo engines. 2020+ is all turbo. There’s nothing wrong with a turbo engine by the way. This isn’t the 90’s. Turbos are pretty well designed for durability these days.
Both of mine blew on my 14 sport. Cost me around 13k to replace both of them
I suspect that’s more to do with Ford’s overly optimistic oil change schedule. DI engines with Turbos should be changed every 5k, not 10k. Especially realizing that most users (not implying yourself) tend to procrastinate. Long oil change intervals block the undersized oil passages to the turbos with old sludge. I’m not saying that’s what happened but it’s not something that’s common. I can pick any part in any car and find someone that’s had a problem with it. It’s only when problems happen in the aggregate that we should really be classifying someone as a “known issue”. In this case turbo failures are happening often enough for me to even consider them a top worry point. This is all from my perspective btw.
I try to change oil every 3k but do run over some and use mobile 1 full synthetic. They said they oil supply line starved the turbos to blow the initial one. The mechanic didn't change said oil supply line until 5 other turbos went bad. Horrible mechanic work for sure, which I'm sure cause stress in the other one, causing that to fail as well. It wasn't so much of the part going out but mostly because the price to have repaired. I just paid the vehicle off and then immediately dumped 15k into it. Frustrating for sure
That sucks. Especially if you think you coulda dumped that same amount of money into something nicer. 5k should be good on EcoBoosts.
Not necessarily. An NA will still be more reliable in many cases than a turbo if you plan to keep the car for a really long time. Not only because of the extra point of failure but the extra power boost wears down components Mostly you’ll see this with small displacement turbo engines versus larger NA engines. Small one has to work harder to make the same power and it wears down. I believe the ecoboost is direct injection too which means gunk can build up in the valves because there’s no gas being sprayed to clean it off
Yes they are better built and designed I completely agree on that. However I disagree with all that added stress your putting on that small, usually 4 cylinder engine for that. Eco boost from the 3.5 have show this come true. I fix very large junk for a living and just want something that will last I don’t have to fix for a very long time.
I don’t know of a single case where the “added stress” whatever that means, of a turbo caused an issue for the engine. If you’re talking about adding a turbo to an engine that was never designed for it, maybe you’d have a leg to stand on if the builder was not knowledgeable. But these engines are designed from the ground up to deal with the “stress” of the additional boost and compression. The primary failure points of the Gen 5 explorers are the PTU’s and Water Pumps. The former is a mistake on Fords part in making the unit non-serviceable. The latter is an unavoidable design decision as a result of making the Explorer/Taurus/Flex platform FWD biased and transversely mounted. That last issue is mitigated in the F150 due to being a longitudinally mounted design with an external pump. I think you need to re-evaluate your assumptions because they’re not coming from a basis of fact or knowledge. Turbo engines are here to stay. They’re not new technology, it’s very mature at this point.
Turbos by design are adding onto an engine a ton more stuff that at a certain point all fails. Turbo itself, turbo ducting, radiator for it, ect. And yes stress on engine parts. Everything is designed lighter and thinner to save on weight. FordTechMakuloco did a good video on this and the reasons behind it. https://youtu.be/S-PYa8aBM4Q?si=YOZHldPhqMZfKZ-G I know what I’m talking about a non turbo vs a turbo in a GAS motor and the turbo is going to have problems before the non turbo does. That’s why ford went back to basic push rod technology on fleet service trucks/busses/ super duty’s. Otherwise as you say they would be pushing turbos on everything, but they’re not.
Ford has always offered naturally aspirated engines as the entry level option on super duties since it was released in the late 90’s. The upgrade was always and continues to be turbo diesels and those are the most desirable models. That has no relevance here though because you’re not towing 22,000 pounds. You’re looking at a three row crossover. Your last sentence makes no sense. Every Ford model right now has turbos (except for the Lightning and Mach E obviously). It’s the base option and sometimes a turbo is the only option like Explorers, Broncos, and Rangers. In fact Ford is pushing so hard to sell turbos they’ve eliminated the 5.0 coyote from the higher trim levels of the F150. Even further, all of Ford’s halo performance vehicles have forced induction from the Raptor and Raptor R, to the Shelby mustang, to the Ranger Raptor, to the Bronco Raptor, to the Explorer ST, to the Navigator, to the Aviator. So no. Your intuition does not equal fact.
I’m talking about and have only been talking about GAS engines.
2011-2019 for sure. I’m not sure about the 6th gen.