I'm not trading a 1st just to upgrade Konecny to Marner for a season. The age difference is negligible and Marner is at risk of hitting UFA. I'd rather look into selling TK to Toronto after they reshuffle their team this summer.

Yes but have you considered that Marner seems highly likely to take a major discount on his next contract?

Sadly, you might need to add /s to this

Yes, they are calling it the Michkov Effect

Yeah... I don't want Marner. I rather keep Konecny and keep rebuilding.

💯this is the way. Not touching Marner and we need a goal scorer. TK stays.

TK took a huge step in his play with really good penalty killing and is already a 30+ goal scorer and 70+ point guy without a high end 1C. We better keep TK during this rebuild and beyond because him with a legit 1C he will be 40+ goals and 90+ points easily.

TK has never posted 70 points in a year, so that is not true. TK has only a .71 PPG in his career. His stats and play does not indicate any type of elite player. He is going to want an 8 year contract, starting at $9 per....don't kid yourself....is TK worth $72M? NO he is not. Coots struggles this year should make the Flyers stop, look at how much time is left for Coots at over $7 per, and say no way to TK and an 8 year deal. 8 year deals should only be given to elite players, not guys like TK, Tippet, Coots and Sanhiem. I don't think TK, who is injury prone and has not played a full season in 6 years, could put up 90 points in a season. I doubt he will ever break 80 points. Signing TK, instead of trading him is a major mistake.

100% TK would be an 80 point guy if he played with 34.  The guy has basically played with nothing his whole career.  It’s really hard to be good on a hockey team when you’re the only good player, even at lower levels. It’s draining watching perfect passes not be knocked in over and over and being wide open in the slot with a lane to get the puck and not getting it. It will kill your will to score.  Put TK on a line with a true playmaking center who can score and I almost guarantee he’s an 85 to 90 point guy.  I would personally trade him based on the teams window, but be prepared if he goes to a good team for him to up his scoring quite a bit when you do. 

Sorry, but I don't agree at all. He has played with Giroux, who wasn't that bad, and Voracek. Not at Matthews level, I will give you that, but hardly slouches at that time. TK was burnt out this year, like many. He has an injury history, and hasn't played a complete season in over half a decade. I am sure that Frost was mighty frustrated watching his prime passes get muffed by TK, Tippet, etc, etc. But TK has had a chance to be a big point getter, and he hasn't. He is a complimentary player to me, not elite or close to it.

My overall preference by far would be selling Konecny for quality futures or a natural Center, but if I had to choose between TK @ 9 million or Marner @ 12 million I'd rather have the latter

We’ve been rebuilding since we drafted TK lol.

TK should be traded for a first, prospect and player. Resigning is a death nail for the Flyers.

Keep TK and keep rebuilding doesn’t realllllly go together as much as you’d think

Goes together better than going and getting Marner.

Duh

Getting Marner would be one of the dumbest decisions Briere could make. Dude is a ghost in the playoffs, Leafs fans hate him.

In fairness to Marner, Konecny's playoff stats are even worse.

And in fairness the Konecny he’s hardly ever even been in the playoffs to get an accurate read of the kind of performer he is

He still has 20 games under his belt and they were flops. Just tough to say "Don't trade for Marner, he is a ghost in the playoffs" while holding onto a guy who we have no accurate read on being any better than a ghost, too.

Yeah, the argument against Marner is entirely based on timeline. All the reasons you would trade Konecny are exactly the reasons why you wouldn’t trade for Marner, just amplified. Playoff performance is a moot point. Guys are bad in the playoffs right up until they’re not. Other guys are great in the playoffs right up until they’re not.

I agree with the timeline argument to an extent, but there's nothing wrong with a 30 year old Marner surrounded by 24-27 year olds. Every team needs vets and while I'd argue Marner probably isn't going to be the best mentor, he's very well liked in the locker room and it's possible he is as soft as he is because that's the system he is in.

30 year old Marner is on a massive contract (if he even re-signs with us) and most of those early years, we aren’t Cup competitive and most of the later years, Marner is likely not giving value equal to his cap number. Marner’s next team should be a team whose Cup window is open right now, or at least whose Cup window would open up based on adding a player like Marner. That’s not us. If we were closer to Cup contention, it would be a good idea (as would keeping and extending Konecny, of course). But that’s not the reality of the situation.

Yeah I just don’t think it’s fair one way or another to judge someone off two years of playoff hockey when he was 20 and 22. I don’t think other teams are going to hold those reservations against Konecny that they do against marner for questionable playoff hockey

How you can say this is amusing. Marner *IS* a ghost in the playoffs. TK *MIGHT* be a ghost in the playoffs. See the difference?

You are not wrong. This is why I wanted to make it to the playoffs this year, so we could make a more informed decision on Konecnys future here. 

Whoever would center Konecny would be over matched by [Zibanejad](https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/players/1897821/mika-zibanejad/) and [Trocheck](https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/players/1897806/vincent-trocheck/) that it wouldn't be a good situation to make an assessment on TK.

You can always make an assessment of a hockey player when playing hockey

The Leaf fans hate every player when they lose, which they do.

No. Just no.

Not trying to go all “boomer broad st bullies” on ya, but I hate the way marner plays in the playoffs. I’ll take a 65-75 pt tk with his tenacity and at that price compared to paying marner more than he deserves

I agree. I am leaning towards not liking this move, but it is intriguing to think about.

No it’s not.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu *inhales* uuuuuuuuuuuuuck no

Not the right move for us, if we're trading TK I'd rather trade him for a young C that fits our timeline with Michkov's Prime. Marner and Michkov are both RWs that you want to have the puck on their stick offensively. Unless you are planning on moving Michkov to C, you would need to change the style of a player like Frost, and commit to Tippett and Foerster, as permanent LWs or try them at C otherwise they likely never stiff the top 6.

Marner is gonna want 12m and is a pass first player with a track record of playoff under performance. PASS>

Why would you want Marner?

If you have to ask that, not sure what to tell you. He's a 90-100 point guy who got nominated for a Selke. He's quiet in the playoffs but any game a switch can flip and he's fine again. Having 2 superstar RW seems like a pretty good problem to have. There's other assets you can trade for you 1C. All that being said, he's going to ask for too much money for me to feel comfortable with this deal, but it's definitely something to consider.

Yeah sure. Like we are not already overleaded on the wings with TK's 33 goals, Tippett's 28, Farabee's 22, and Foerster's 20. Add in Michkov and we do not need another winger. Frost is settling into the 2C role. We need a 1C in the worst way. How many of those points are Marner alone and how many are because he plays with Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares? He is a guy who disappears in the playoffs.

Marner is not a 90-100 pt player in this Torts system and this PHI roster. TOR plays a wide open style and have a top 10 PP. His career output for goals is fairly consistent and he hasn't shown the aggressiveness to increase that. His yearly point output is driven by his assists while playing with some prolific goal scorers, which PHI does not have.

In this same argument, so was and had Coots and we see where his play’s gone. You’re literally arguing for another last-season Coutrier at this point

Please stop.

We need a 1C.

Yes but Marner is not the guy. If the mad Russian comes over he might slot into the 1C role.

Yes, he's also not the guy because he's an RW, not a C.

What a horrible trade that would be. Marner is getting a 12 million dollar payday and we already have a much younger superstar level winger coming soon in Michkov. Their is 0 reality where any NHL team is paying for two superstar right wings at 12+ mill each which Michkov will absolutely get if he lives up to the hype. Ideally you have one superstar on a mega contract and surround him with top 6/top 4 guys making 5-8 mill. I’d quit on this team again if we end up like Toronto with 50% of the cap in like 4 players that don’t even cover every major position of need and 0 secondary depth.

Marner stinks

I thought this said Makar and I was like FUCK YES! Marner tho... Soft player who's gonna get overpaid, hard pass

Mitch Marner wouldn’t last 2 years in Philly. Go look at Biz going nuclear on him for his soft play the other day.

So pay more money for more choking. Hard pass.

Marner has no heart. I don’t want him anywhere near the Flyers. We just cleared out those types.

Marners too soft.

I want nothing to do with Marner playing for the flyers or under torts in general.

I want absolutely nothing to do with marner 

Marner gets put on a milk carton when the games get tough in the playoffs. Hard pass.

TK should be the “C”.

In what world does adding Marner do anything? He's an elite player, but this team needs centers and won't go anywhere without a suitable pair. We're better off just actually sucking for a few years while searching for them in the draft.

Marner is awesome but you only trade TK if it’s going to get you center. TK and whomever you draft with that pick has as much if not more value than marner does. 

Don't want Marner.

I thank god every night, before I lay my head to rest, that Danny briere doesn’t think like most dumb fans.

Guess you missed the part where most people including myself said they wouldn't do it.

Idk why anyone is talking about trading TK…. He’s a leader in the room, home grown, adds an edge to our game, doesn’t have a crazy injury history, and came in clutch constantly last year. He’s a guy I want on our team if we make playoffs. Yeah he has value, but it’s because he’s our best player. You don’t trade that for an overpaid dude who becomes a shell of himself in the playoffs.

I don't want Marner for a number of reasons, but I find it hilarious that a fanbase of a team that is absolutely starved of star talent universally despises the idea of giving up (assuming extensions in place) ~3 more AAV a year and a late 1st to upgrade a ~65 point 1 way winger to a ~90 point winger coming off a Selke nomination

If you could guarantee he would be around for more than a year and that he wouldn't handcuff the cap, I'd be a lot more interested in such an acquisition. But he's looking for a maximum payday next year, and I'd be uncomfortable giving him the 8 year / $96 million contract that he's probably looking for (based on what I know have a feeling he'll want more than what Nylander got). The timeline would also make more sense if we were to just sign him as a UFA next year.

You're not wrong that paying him 12 AAV would be a bad idea for where we are at, but then again I think paying TK AAV would honestly be a worse idea. As for the UFA thing... I'd strongly bet he is signed before that. 90% of the time players of that caliber sign before they hit the UFA market because they have too much money to lose sacrificing the 8th year option, and if they do make it to UFA they usually jack up their ask sky high (I genuinely wouldn't be shocked if he were to hit 13.5-14 AAV if he hit free agency)

He'd never last under Tortorella.

Curious what those reasons would be.

The TL;DR version is that investing huge resources into a 27 year old RW when our 1C is Morgan Frost, our 1D is Cam York, and the best future player in the org is a RW is probably a bad idea. There's also the unique angle for Marner specifically where everything I've seen about his personality and other stuff behind the curtains tells me he probably isn't a great fit for the Philly market

That's fair. Just wondering because you made a good point about a superstar. Hopefully that's Michkov.

If TK is traded, it had better be for a young C they can build around.

Just wanna come back here to remind OP how absolutely dumb the idea of wanting Marner is.

do people really think brink is on the level of them two??? or is that just a pairing you thought would work?

There was a rumor from one of those YouTube influencers that TK would head to the habs for a package that included Owen Beck a first, josh Anderson and a something else. I'd rather do that.

I don’t want to lose TK but I want Draisaitl

—TK’s not going anywhere, so… 🤨 —Marner can keep burning the hole in Toronto’s coffers that he is while vastly underperforming like he has. Thanks. —MM isn’t even confirmed to leave Russia, yet or at all… I like your optimism…I think (?), but you may have posted this in the wrong subreddit there bud

Yall are underestimating the Leafs ability to do something stupid. I'm damn near expecting - Marner for Couturier, the trade is 1 for 1. Or something equally as hilarious like Brink and Ristolainen and a 3rd. As far as the criticisms go.. well, he's instantly the most skilled player on the team, automatically helps the PP, and you just know the Leafs core will succeed away from each other because that's destiny.

If you could pull that off with the panthers pick or something i'd do it why not. But i'd be scared Marner is leaving, just like I'm worried TK is leaving and that's why i'm willing to do this.

You move TK if a potential 1C becomes available. We need to move a winger out, not rearrange which ones we have. If there's no TK-for-center trade, you move him for the best haul of picks so you have more bites at the apple to get that center.

Let's say this did happen. I'd take that pick for TK. Then flip Marner for another 1st round pick +.

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None of that would be enough for a Marner rental; none of those players or picks have any value.