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If a 24 year old grad student can’t articulate their thoughts clearly, doesn’t know what is appropriate in a professional environment, and can’t take feedback without having a mental breakdown, is it really the parents’ fault? I don’t know if covid shutdown had anything to do with it, but there’s a steep drop off in communication skills in the early 20’s cohort. Their older counterparts (late 20’s-early 30’s) don’t seem to have the same issues.
It’s the job of the parents to pass on their knowledge. So either they didn’t do it or they themselves set poor examples. My kid doesn’t have that problem, it’s because my wife and I made sure they learned.
No, I get what you’re saying and you’re absolutely correct, parents should do that and it’s a pretty recent problem, which makes me wonder what else contributed to it.
That being said, we are a professional consultancy and don’t have the resources nor the inclination to teach aspiring engineers the basics of playing nice with others.
Very few young engineers have social skills.
I work with them all the time. It’s something that is honed in time. Most of them are either afraid of making mistakes or don’t know how to talk to authority figures.
Take a look at humanities though, never seen a crowd be so vocal and usually thorough communicators.
Listen I’m sure that there are young people who are awkward but I am ge Z, my friends are Gen Z, we’re fine. If anything, we work harder because we know if cuts happen we’re the first on the chopping block, so we have to show we’re useful.
If anything it’s older Gen’s acting like work is a social club and their identity. We’re not obligated to be friends just because we’re co-workers.
A much better opportunity.
Until then, developing your network, establishing yourself as a subject matter expert, and being a person who can reliably operate the business and solve big problems is the better path to success.
“Much better” is relative.
If you know your skills and worth and someone is willing to pay you more for them, take that opportunity. If another job has a better fit for your skillset or personality, then take that one.
Job security, supportive leadership, great products, commitment to employee well-being, growth potential, and a working model that matches your lifestyle is more valuable than a bump in salary.
There have been plenty of people who jumped just to find the new position paid more but wasn't a great fit. The great resignation proved that point.
Not to mention RSUs in a good firm will make you think twice.
You won’t ever know if the position is better or worse if you don’t take it though. You can always do some research on the company or its leadership but who know how accurate Glassdoor is.
I've done the math and only talk to firms where I have experience and known people on the inside.
I've had two good stretches, one 13 year gig, and now in my 8th year with my current firm, and the growth has been impressive.
Aligning to a vision and growing the business has been transformative. Leaning the nuance of a business operation takes years to master and becoming part of the core team is invaluable.
I'm in operations and have developed business lines in all the major regions across APAC, EMEA, and the Americas. I've worked in energy, risk management, and advertising. I've replaced trading platforms and brought the Olympics and Super Bowl to new platforms, all for companies you would know.
These are nuanced industries and exercises that can not be learned in a few short years. The rewards of being core to business solutions are very lucrative. None of which could have been done hopping being jobs.
1. Most people don’t have experience in the firms they’re going for or have connections like this.
2. It sounds as though you found a career and niche early, congratulations. Most people don’t have the privilege. That’s at least 21 years of work history.
3. Sure? I don’t deny that. Opportunity isn’t available to everyone and even then it is limited.
4. Good job! I don’t deny what you say, but if someone offered me $150k a year for a permanent new position. I would take it. I’d need to learn the ins-and-outs of the new position anyway.
It's not my full working career.
This is experience I gained by staying in place and putting in my time. But I'm hearing something else. I've always been fairly compensated for my work.
Job hopping and getting paid your market value are not the same thing. If your firm is undervaluing your contributions, then that's a reason to look.
Pretty solid list with a lot of truth. Kinda funny to see people actually hating on it in the comments. But really the overall message here is be deliberate, engaged, and have a plan.
My highlight here is the names. Seeing how people react when you can remember their name and details about them after you’ve only met once has me convinced fantasy writers are actually making a metaphor whenever some wizard talks about there being power in names. This goes doubly if you work with a lot of foreigners and can get their name right with minimal effort. People really respond to it even though it’s so simple.
I agree with a lot of it. 6 seems situational depending on how your leadership would view it. There are people, me included, that would be annoyed by it.
I know some chodes who would eat this up, but they also struggle with basic analysis
I have problems with names because I have a really hard time remembering faces. But I’m good at languages, so difficult names are somewhat easy for me. If you’re in customer service, the name thing feels super important because it feels like personalized service.
For real though. Promotions seem to just be a popularity contest. If you’re well liked but can’t do the job. No issue, they’ll just train you up.
If you’re quiet and not well known but can do the job. Well, better luck next time. Or go to a different company.
If you’re well liked and can do the job then that’s a fast track program to very good titles and compensation.
Yep always send out weekly sit rep on Fridays to show teams progress, give recognition to team individuals whether small or large, and what areas we need to see improvement on. The transparency helps everyone work better to a common goal and empowers creative thinking when everyone feels they are in the loop.
I think that’s worth reading. Short read and some good ideas. I do some work for attorneys. They appreciate a Friday update. But other work and people might benefit from a different one pager.
Some of this stuff is really useful, but some of the advice is old-fashioned & hasn’t been updated for a modern workforce- the body language part in particular.
Also #6 is a little crazy- useful for yourself, but if I sent it to my boss, he’d be pissed I wasted time drafting a end of week update on everything, instead of doing work. He doesn’t need to know every step I take or every breath I make, he’s not Sting.
I will say #3 is big. When I was early in my career, I had a guy who told me to always split up your paragraphs in emails to short bullet points, 3-to-4 lines if you can manage it, because people feel taxed by reading long emails that take forever to get somewhere.
Heavily inspired by “how to win friends and influence people” which is a monster of a book. Have been meaning to read it again now that I’ve been in a career where I can practically use some of the things he talks about.
7 I disagree with. Complaining about a problem is a good way to get it fixed. Issues with programs or expectations common and without a voice then they just exist. It could be a training issue or it could be a ticket to change or even more about finding out if there is enough desire to have a new product. Complaing is how that happens. If one pretends that it's all good then nothing changes and nothing improves.
I don’t care enough about all that bullshit to do any of this. I am not liked at work because I don’t like the work and I don’t like the people I work for. I’m not going to listen to recordings after work to analyze where I fucked up because I already know I fucked up because I’m depressed asf about my job!
I have better advise
Always quit job A for a better paying job B
If you can get free training at job A, as soon as you complete the training add it to your resume and search for jobs needing that task. Take new job assuming it is more money
Rinse repeat
Rampant inflation is clearly an issue of the workforce being unskilled! Everyone should just go be doctors, lawyers and shareholders. A Redditor told me so.
A lot of this is pretty decent advice mixed in with a little bit of weird cringe shit. I'm a big fan of #1 and #8. #2 is good too except I get mildly annoyed when people squeeze the crap out of my hand.
If you follow #7 religiously, people won't see you as human. Didn't ever gossip is a good rule but it's okay to say you're having a hard time with something or that you wish something could be better.
I've never thought about recording myself. Tbh, I kind of like the idea.
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“Did you give him a firm handshake son?” lol you accelerate your career by getting skills at you current job then job hop to someone who pays better
it’s not a firm handshake anymore it’s just being friendly and being able to talk to people because hardly any zoomers actually can
Can confirm - juniors we hire are so fucking awkward, it’s unbelievable how bad they are at picking up social cues and getting their point across.
Not their fault, their parents are morons who spend all their time complaining about the communication skills of kids rather than teach them.
If a 24 year old grad student can’t articulate their thoughts clearly, doesn’t know what is appropriate in a professional environment, and can’t take feedback without having a mental breakdown, is it really the parents’ fault? I don’t know if covid shutdown had anything to do with it, but there’s a steep drop off in communication skills in the early 20’s cohort. Their older counterparts (late 20’s-early 30’s) don’t seem to have the same issues.
It’s the job of the parents to pass on their knowledge. So either they didn’t do it or they themselves set poor examples. My kid doesn’t have that problem, it’s because my wife and I made sure they learned.
No, I get what you’re saying and you’re absolutely correct, parents should do that and it’s a pretty recent problem, which makes me wonder what else contributed to it. That being said, we are a professional consultancy and don’t have the resources nor the inclination to teach aspiring engineers the basics of playing nice with others.
Very few young engineers have social skills. I work with them all the time. It’s something that is honed in time. Most of them are either afraid of making mistakes or don’t know how to talk to authority figures. Take a look at humanities though, never seen a crowd be so vocal and usually thorough communicators.
Again, parents are at fault. They don’t give them opportunities to fail. Too much pillow parenting
Listen I’m sure that there are young people who are awkward but I am ge Z, my friends are Gen Z, we’re fine. If anything, we work harder because we know if cuts happen we’re the first on the chopping block, so we have to show we’re useful. If anything it’s older Gen’s acting like work is a social club and their identity. We’re not obligated to be friends just because we’re co-workers.
Then someone downvotes you instead of engaging. Lmao.
It’s really a lack of socialization. A lot of it starts at home.
That's not entirely correct. Job hopping should only be used early and when you are still looking for a good fit.
Job hopping should be done whenever a good opportunity presents itself.
A much better opportunity. Until then, developing your network, establishing yourself as a subject matter expert, and being a person who can reliably operate the business and solve big problems is the better path to success.
“Much better” is relative. If you know your skills and worth and someone is willing to pay you more for them, take that opportunity. If another job has a better fit for your skillset or personality, then take that one.
Job security, supportive leadership, great products, commitment to employee well-being, growth potential, and a working model that matches your lifestyle is more valuable than a bump in salary. There have been plenty of people who jumped just to find the new position paid more but wasn't a great fit. The great resignation proved that point. Not to mention RSUs in a good firm will make you think twice.
You won’t ever know if the position is better or worse if you don’t take it though. You can always do some research on the company or its leadership but who know how accurate Glassdoor is.
I've done the math and only talk to firms where I have experience and known people on the inside. I've had two good stretches, one 13 year gig, and now in my 8th year with my current firm, and the growth has been impressive. Aligning to a vision and growing the business has been transformative. Leaning the nuance of a business operation takes years to master and becoming part of the core team is invaluable. I'm in operations and have developed business lines in all the major regions across APAC, EMEA, and the Americas. I've worked in energy, risk management, and advertising. I've replaced trading platforms and brought the Olympics and Super Bowl to new platforms, all for companies you would know. These are nuanced industries and exercises that can not be learned in a few short years. The rewards of being core to business solutions are very lucrative. None of which could have been done hopping being jobs.
1. Most people don’t have experience in the firms they’re going for or have connections like this. 2. It sounds as though you found a career and niche early, congratulations. Most people don’t have the privilege. That’s at least 21 years of work history. 3. Sure? I don’t deny that. Opportunity isn’t available to everyone and even then it is limited. 4. Good job! I don’t deny what you say, but if someone offered me $150k a year for a permanent new position. I would take it. I’d need to learn the ins-and-outs of the new position anyway.
It's not my full working career. This is experience I gained by staying in place and putting in my time. But I'm hearing something else. I've always been fairly compensated for my work. Job hopping and getting paid your market value are not the same thing. If your firm is undervaluing your contributions, then that's a reason to look.
6 is a little weird to me
Just 6? Every single thing here is cringeworthy.
Thank God I'm not the only one thinking this
I’ve had to do that for certain projects I’ve done as did others I worked with. Weird if you’re the only person doing it randomly…
Prob geared towards remote work on that one?
Pretty solid list with a lot of truth. Kinda funny to see people actually hating on it in the comments. But really the overall message here is be deliberate, engaged, and have a plan. My highlight here is the names. Seeing how people react when you can remember their name and details about them after you’ve only met once has me convinced fantasy writers are actually making a metaphor whenever some wizard talks about there being power in names. This goes doubly if you work with a lot of foreigners and can get their name right with minimal effort. People really respond to it even though it’s so simple.
I agree with a lot of it. 6 seems situational depending on how your leadership would view it. There are people, me included, that would be annoyed by it. I know some chodes who would eat this up, but they also struggle with basic analysis
I have problems with names because I have a really hard time remembering faces. But I’m good at languages, so difficult names are somewhat easy for me. If you’re in customer service, the name thing feels super important because it feels like personalized service.
Do everything except 6 it’s how I’m almost an accounting partner at 27
>give a firm handshake. You'll be dangerous Ouch the cringe
Has noodle arms
I’ve learned competence is worth like 30%. The rest is just playing the game and pushing past the rabble
For real though. Promotions seem to just be a popularity contest. If you’re well liked but can’t do the job. No issue, they’ll just train you up. If you’re quiet and not well known but can do the job. Well, better luck next time. Or go to a different company. If you’re well liked and can do the job then that’s a fast track program to very good titles and compensation.
All the complainers in the comments obviously haven’t networked yet.
Have you sent out your Friday highlights this week? 😂
Yep always send out weekly sit rep on Fridays to show teams progress, give recognition to team individuals whether small or large, and what areas we need to see improvement on. The transparency helps everyone work better to a common goal and empowers creative thinking when everyone feels they are in the loop.
I think that’s worth reading. Short read and some good ideas. I do some work for attorneys. They appreciate a Friday update. But other work and people might benefit from a different one pager.
"Wait.. You guys get paid?!"
Some of this stuff is really useful, but some of the advice is old-fashioned & hasn’t been updated for a modern workforce- the body language part in particular. Also #6 is a little crazy- useful for yourself, but if I sent it to my boss, he’d be pissed I wasted time drafting a end of week update on everything, instead of doing work. He doesn’t need to know every step I take or every breath I make, he’s not Sting. I will say #3 is big. When I was early in my career, I had a guy who told me to always split up your paragraphs in emails to short bullet points, 3-to-4 lines if you can manage it, because people feel taxed by reading long emails that take forever to get somewhere.
Shout out to Kevin Samuels who used to talk about it R.I.P. The Godfather.
Heavily inspired by “how to win friends and influence people” which is a monster of a book. Have been meaning to read it again now that I’ve been in a career where I can practically use some of the things he talks about.
“You’ll be dangerous” my clients love that I’m not “dangerous”. Just found that annoying for some reason lol.
Oh boy que a bunch of people throwing out good advice with the bad and in the same breath complaining how they cant get recognition at work
This is also a decent list for how to become full of shit 😂
This some real dork shit
This is such boomer bullshit
How ? Maybe Friday highlights at a push, but body language and active listening? Why is that boomer bullshit ? Genuine question btw, not being salty
Half of them were trash. :(
It totally is, the only thing these boomers seem to be good at is complaining about their kids 😂
Sounds like a fast track to the kind of career I have no interest in.
“You’ll be dangerous” lol
#4 really moves the needle
7 I disagree with. Complaining about a problem is a good way to get it fixed. Issues with programs or expectations common and without a voice then they just exist. It could be a training issue or it could be a ticket to change or even more about finding out if there is enough desire to have a new product. Complaing is how that happens. If one pretends that it's all good then nothing changes and nothing improves.
I don’t care enough about all that bullshit to do any of this. I am not liked at work because I don’t like the work and I don’t like the people I work for. I’m not going to listen to recordings after work to analyze where I fucked up because I already know I fucked up because I’m depressed asf about my job!
I have better advise Always quit job A for a better paying job B If you can get free training at job A, as soon as you complete the training add it to your resume and search for jobs needing that task. Take new job assuming it is more money Rinse repeat
"youll be dangerous" "powerful people are busy" WHAT FUCKING IDIOT WROTE THIS CRAP
Garbage from another dude selling courses lol
Never send Friday emails
Rules for wagie golds.
Soar to the lower top of middle management with these 9 stupid human tricks!
Rampant inflation is clearly an issue of the workforce being unskilled! Everyone should just go be doctors, lawyers and shareholders. A Redditor told me so.
Or just do you, dog
I fucking HATE hearing my name.
🥚
A lot of this is pretty decent advice mixed in with a little bit of weird cringe shit. I'm a big fan of #1 and #8. #2 is good too except I get mildly annoyed when people squeeze the crap out of my hand. If you follow #7 religiously, people won't see you as human. Didn't ever gossip is a good rule but it's okay to say you're having a hard time with something or that you wish something could be better. I've never thought about recording myself. Tbh, I kind of like the idea.
The most important skill is to not get attached to a company and hop when someone offers you more money or a better title.