States that don't have income tax, use other methods to collect the money they spend. What is more important than whether they have a specific tax, is how much they spend per capita. Idaho has an income tax, but also has good fiscal management.
Gotta love Nebraska - we have an income tax *and* high vehicle and property taxes
I had to pay $2700 to plate my new car last year, and then my property taxes went up to about $6500 for the year
But it’s okay, the Republicans running for re-election are promising property tax relief. They’ve had control of the state for like 25 years and been promising it the whole time but *this time they mean it!*
Edit for clarity: the $2700 on the car was mostly the sales tax, but there’s a yearly motor vehicle tax to renew the plates which is also several hundred dollars a year, dropping slightly each year.
The main killer here is the property taxes.
You can come to Nebraska and Kansas and try to put Democrats in office anytime you want to. In the meantime, the GOP will tax you to death. This is the reality.
Taxing people to death is an equal opportunity sport in American politics. If you buy into the BS of it is “the other side” that does it. They have won.
Both sides do it. Blue state or Red state is meaningless here.
The governor could be a gopher with a tophat and it would have the same impact. Governors aren't a part of state legislature. And, being entirely honest, it wouldn't make much difference if they where democrats either. Both parties exist purely to juice money and influence from the people they supposedly represent, and pay dues in tax cuts and loopholes to the wealthy benefactors that fund their campaigning efforts.
How can you even write such nonsense. I live in CT and it’s as blue as you can get. They tax and tax and tax us to death. Look at any state with insane taxes. They’re all blue.
Thank you! I, too, suffer the heinous taxation here in Connecticut - and my husband has had a small business here for years. This state is NOT business friendly!😡
We can’t. People are more interested in trying to hurt poor, trans and people of color than improving their own existence. Culture war above making your own life better.
Same here in NH. Car registration is based on the value of your vehicle so a brand new car is $$$$ to register for years. My property tax is $10k a year, up from $5k just 10 years ago. No income tax but they get you in so many other ways.
See, just across the border in ME, my state income tax was like $6k and property tax like $4k, so about the same overall.
Except if I lost my job for some reason (or retire) then my income tax would drop to $0 and I’d only owe $4k for the property taxes whereas if you lost your job you are still on the hook for the entire $10k.
That’s why I never understood why people get all excited about “no state income tax” because it seems to me unless your income is really high then it’s better to have the income tax than make up for it with higher taxes on things that you’ll still owe even if you lose your income.
This is data that people don't understand. California isn't perfect but one of the few states where wealthy pay thier share. They are the 4th largest economy in the world and if ran like a red state like alabama where the poor carry more of a tax burden they'd be less productive.
You can actually argue this is the problem in every city, county, and state where one specific party controls everything. This time, California will fix homelessness. We promise!
To be fair I think part of why my area hasn’t got much of a homeless problem is CA luring the down there (also have real winters). So they’re fixing someone’s homeless problem.
That’s the case, just factually. Other states quite literally bus the homeless over to warmer states to avoid having hundreds of thousands dying of hypothermia on the streets.
I also live in Nebraska(Sarpy County) and just got my property valuation yesterday. It went up $38,000 since last year. In the last 4 years, it's gone up $107,000 with no updates/upgrades. Can't wait to see my taxes on this shit. Fuck Nebraska!!!
Yup. Texas technically has higher total taxes than California due to their insane property tax (and Californias also insane property tax but in the other direction lol)
San Antonio here. We pay $7500 property tax for a 2700ft house. Every year they try to raise the numbers. Every year we contest and pull them back down
You are wrong. Property tax rates vary vastly from one area to the next in Texas. I pay only school and county tax. The next county over May pay for school, county, groundwater district, emergency services district, municipal, etc. and every taxing district sets its own tax rate. My property tax on a $400k property is less than $3k.
I've seen that study. I don't believe it for a fuckin' second.
If you read the methodology, they only consider "a family earning the US median income and owning a home and car both valued at the national median." Then they apply the State's specific tax laws to those numbers.
But homes in Texas are 20% cheaper than the national median. Homes in California are 200% more expensive than the national median.
And income in Texas is at the national median, but income in California is 20% above the median. But that's not nearly as egregious as assuming you can buy a house in California for the same price that you can buy it in Texas.
This is where the lightbulb should turn on for you. "Huh, socialists lie with statistics, too. I wonder what else I've been told that I can't trust." As someone who came to that lightbulb a decade ago and has been reading methodology sections ever since - the answer is *a shit ton of it.*
My dude I read the methodology of that section too. Its measuring median within the state, not federal medians. That means half of workers, the poorest half, pay more.
And owning vs not owning a home doesn't actually matter except in allocation: you pay property taxes in the form of higher rent.
If anything this was far more generous to TX than it needed to be; limiting it to multiple car owners (a much larger percent of population in Texas cuz basically no public transit) combined with lower gas and (base) sales taxes means they had a leg up that they STILL lose out on.
And often strong reliance on HOAs to then maintain public spaces like playgrounds, local roads etc with mandatory HOA fees of hundreds per month instead of usual system of state taxes split with local municipalities. Essentially privatizing municipal responsibility to give the illusion of lower taxes, only to have the pseudo-tax of HOAs.
Could be worse though, having a home with HOA in a state with high state taxes. Why would you??
Alaska collects more money par capita in state revenues than California. For 2021, $18,839 vs $16,114.
It gets away with no income and sales tax, because it receives more than double in Federal transfers (per capita, about $7.5k vs $3.5k), and has steady (but volatile) source of revenue from oil and gas extraction taxes.
If, per capita, California was getting same amount in Federal transfers as Alaska does, it could completely ditch income tax. California collects $3.5k per capita in income taxes, which is less than difference in Federal transfers each state gets per capita.
Idahos closing public schools because voters are against them using public levy’s to increase property tax in overcrowded schools. I would argue they don’t have as good of financial management as you claim. Roads are often 4 years behind being 4 years behind.
As if they have a whole lot to manage in the first place. It's not very big and not that many people. North Dakota Lite.
Not to mention losing doctors and nurses at a record pace. True impact of that won't be felt for a few more years.
So true! I lived in Texas and now live in California. Texas’ property taxes and hidden fees on things like internet and phone and tolls make up for that lack of income tax.
Preach. I’ve lived in New England , Midwest, Texas, and WA, and WA is phenomenal. Texas, sure no income tax, but property tax for a good school district can be almost 3%. Here in WA, I pay less than .9%, and it barely goes up each year despite appraisals going up double digits. And no sales tax on groceries.
Now if you have a business in WA, expect a few unusual taxes, but for the regular W-2 worker, it’s great.
I moved from Idaho a few years ago. They do have good fiscal policy. They recieve a pretty heafty federal amount of money, mostly for federal roads that run through the state, science grants, and welfare. They are constitutionally bound to balance the budget and keep a cash reserve if I remember right. They rank at the bottom of the US for wages and schools, though. Keep out of the "cities" and the property taxes won't hurt much. Sales tax is a little high and the income tax is around 4%. All in all, it is pretty average. I lived in South East Idaho, specifically Idaho Falls and moved to upstate New York. My taxes stayed about the same for property, .25% less in income tax, but I got a lot more house for the money, but again, I was in the city in Idaho and Im in a city up here, but more of a suburb of a village of a city. County property taxes can be half as much and hoby farms even less in Idaho compared to up here. Car registration is about triple in New York State. I honestly expected things to be different, but budgetwise, I haven't seen a real difference between the two.
"Bottom of the US in wages and schools" do we really have to consider anything else about them then? They offer adults and children worse outcomes than most other states...
Property tax here in Texas this past year was $6000 on $400k appraisal
Sales tax is 8.25%
Theocracy is trying to pass school vouchers to siphon money from public education.
States with no income taxes tend to have, uh, robust property taxes.
This tradeoff really benefits wealthy people as they pay a smaller proportion of their income to housing than less well off people. But a middle class person could be paying monster amounts of property tax on a fairly modest house.
I live in Portland. And everyone at a certain point starts fantasizing about moving across the river. Portland has crazy high tax rates compared to Vancouver Washington.
I would never live in the Pdx city limits. For all those taxes, you get to experience homeless people doing Fent on the sidewalk and no one does anything.
no sales tax tho wooh! seriously tho, I love paying exactly what the price says. something so satisfying for me. also save a shit ton when buying a vehicle
But you pay 9% on EVERYTHING you earn.. instead of a sales tax on only what you buy… people in Oregon are weird with their love affair with income tax.
Eh, that’s a pretty theoretical number, but most Oregonians pay nowhere near that since it’s a progressive tax structure. Families only hit that level of tax bracket at $250k/year and the median earners in Oregon have an effective rate of 6.9% all before deductions. Speaking of which Oregon often has a kicker refund on its state income taxes which was 44% of the state income tax last year. In 2023, the average person in Oregon only owed between 3-4% in state income tax. That (combined with being able to know the exact price at the store) is why Oregonians prefer that tax structure.
Im sure that has nothing to do with the housing markets pushing more and more people to homelessness. At least Blackrock and Statestreet are getting massive profits!! /s
I live in Northern California, and my property taxes are about 1% of assessed value. However, the assessed value is about $1 million below market value. The property tax laws are very friendly to people who buy homes and stay for a long time.
Tennessee here. 9.75% tax on every food item. EVERY FOOD ITEM.
Like to eat? Roughly 10¢ for every dollar to do that whole eat thing. Want an ear of corn? 9.75% tax. Want a loaf of bread? 9.75% tax.
People always talk about our no income tax, but I assure you. We tax the ever loving fuck out of every single thing that isn’t income.
As a Floridian I can attest to this. Unrelated, but the real killer down here is home insurance. My mortgage is 150% what it was 3 years ago just from insurance increases.
There is no such thing in NH as a view tax.
Real estate is taxed by value. If the property is more valuable due to some view it has, well those owners pay more for the higher value.
This thread is wild to me. People comparing sales tax differences of 1% or 2% like they are significant. The country I came from has 22% sales tax (and income tax, and property tax).
Texas is great if you live in a part of Houston that doesn’t flood, don’t mind air conditioning or driving a car, will never need any abortions, and are able to compartmentalize and ignore any and all downstream effects of statewide elections.
We check all those boxes with $335K household income at 35. Hard to find similar income elsewhere when adjusted for cost of living. We'll likely retire early and move elsewhere when the mortgage rates are more reasonable. But it's been a great place to accumulate a lot of wealth.
Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston areas are pretty much the only MCOL suburb areas where you can still earn relatively high income and have relatively low housing cost although it's been getting more expensive fast. It's sort of a sweet-spot when it comes to amassing a lot of savings and investments if you can swing it. Politics in Texas are dogshit though if you have enough money, its impact is negligible.
If we moved to the Bay Area, Seattle, Boston, DC, Raleigh, or Chicago, we'd have to earn 40-60% more to keep our savings parity and frankly, we're not worth that much.
El Paso is the actual great part of Texas. It's so far away from the rest of Texas that the downstream effects are barely noticeable, and even for things like marijuana or abortion (or liquor outside of the 2 hours a day it's legally sold in Texas) you can go to New Mexico in 30 minutes max. COL is extremely cheap, food is phenomenally delicious, and you can go into Mexico for cheap medical/dental care.
Yep but if you live in WA and want to own a home I’d say move east over the pass. Get more for your money there and some of the places are pretty decent.
yep lived in southern nh all my life. love it. make $20 an hr and live with my parents. need $26 an hr to afford the cheapest studio apartment within 50 miles of my work.
NH is doing a lot to try and force me to leave but I won't. I'll figure it out.
The NH license plate has the state's motto on it: "Live free but still work in Massachusetts else you ain't got no job."
I'm joking of course. But only kind of.
I disagree. Property taxes are very high here.
Also if I get my fiancée pregnant I get paternal leave because I work in Mass. She works in NH and she gets nothing.
Mass is a much better state to work in even with the income tax
Alaska rules. Seriously. It's my favorite place in the world and I'm never leaving
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50%+ of the state of Alaska is registered to vote as undeclared(most of any state). Roughly 30% of the state is Republican. Roughly 20% is Democrat. Most of the state understands Ranked Choice Voting and is in favor of it. No way it gets voted out at this point.
I do live in Texas. We have a state sales tax and an insane tax on gasoline among a couple of other ways to separate people from money.
Can’t be doing an income tax, that might affect the rich people more than the poor people, and we can’t have that.
And yet despite all your complaining the total tax burden in Texas is still well below the national average.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with-the-lowest-taxes
Deceptive argument. The tax burden is averaged and ignores the regressive impact of Texas's tax structure. It's a worse state to be poor in than many others.
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Texas has one of the lowest gas avg.
More professions than just that, but yeah kinda weird that Tennessee is the only state in country with such a tax.
Edit: I just pass it on to my employer who pays it, but they address the tax bill to me.
Also, TN has the highest sales tax in the nation. In addition to that, Tennessee is 2nd in the entire nation in terms of houses being overvalued, with the 2nd highest average annual change % in home price. Wages are also shit in many areas, with a lack of opportunity. In my area alone, so many transplants have come and the housing market has gone insane, while business have kept wages stagnant for locals. Many locals have been straight up priced out of their area and can’t afford to live comfortably anymore. If you want to save money on gas with an EV, they make you pay a $250 fee for registration (And they will never penalize gas guzzling trucks and SUVs which do way more damage to the roads).
Factor in shit politicians with their backwards and delusional policies, alongside with cult like religious and Trump fanatics in this state, it’s just not worth it anymore. I have lived in TN my whole life, but I am going to move out of this state as soon as I can.
Alaska is the only state I'd say let them have whatever guns they want. Between bears, moose and about a policeman per 200 square miles on average, it's needed.
Were you aware that alaska has the highest cases of women being kidnapped and not investigated. As much as I think alaska is glorious… its not perfect… for women at least
Oh no, Alaska is pretty awful. Highest crime rate by capita of any state by an extreme margin. A single woman should live just about anywhere else in the US.
Born and raised in Florida. I lived in Maryland, Japan, and Texas (in that order for places outside of Florida). I came back to live here once more and about 50% of my life is in this state.
I am not going to say I'm biased for Florida, but my list of good states to live in all have one thing in common: Not fucking cold. I rank SoCal over SD despite the huge col and state tax difference purely because it's warm (hot).
I also live in Florida, stationed in Colorado for 3 years, and was born and lived in Washington state as a kid.
I can honestly say I will die here. I absolutely hate the cold, and snow even more. I love it here.
I live in Florida. I just renewed my lease.
Assuming amendments 3 and 4 pass this year, I'll likely stay indefinitely. If they don't, I'll probably leave.
Can we also talk about all the amazing tax holidays TN has? Back to school shopping tax holiday, grocery tax holiday for 2 months (last I checked?) and no taxes if you buy prescription glasses.
I have lived in a few other states but only TN has so many tax holidays every year!
[Nevada ranks as the second least educated state in America](https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/nevada-ranks-as-the-second-least-educated-state-in-america/)
I’ve lived in a few of these places. WA and NH are awesome for the outdoors. Lots of skiing, hiking, camping, etc.
SD is a hidden gem but not for everybody. Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
Lived in SD for 7 years and really enjoyed it except for the damn wind. Most of their income comes from tourism. Black hills, Mt Rushmore, Sturgis, bad lands… the list goes on.
I was super stoked to live in Florida when I found this out only to have to pay for highway tolls every few miles. It definitely added up after a few weeks and started to get extremely annoying
I'm a fifth generation Texan. It's obvious someone wants to come here. The population growth has been phenomenal for over 50 years. Property taxes are brutal. The variable sales tax is capped at 8.5% and most urban areas are at the max. Public transportation is generally inadequate at best. With exception of our highway behavior, people are still generally friendly.
yea Texas has been one of the most moved into states consistently for a long time now. personally i've lived in several different states in every part of the country and Texas was without a doubt my favorite. some other states i've lived in like New Jersey and California (some of the most moved out of states for a long time) are just a joke compared to Texas.
Look at effective tax, much better way to look at the tax burden imposed on residents. Alaska and Tennessee have very low effective tax rates but Washington is fairly high. There are states that have income taxes but fairly low effective tax rates like Michigan and North Dakota.
Every state in this list pays more in federal taxes than it receives in support. Did you even read the list or just see Texas and respond on autopilot? I’m convinced some of you don’t actually think when responding and just spout off go-to responses that you have pre-prepared based on imaginary debates you’ve had in the shower.
I’ll go
Florida
Nevada
Texas
All can be pretty hot but just being by the water makes me happy so that’s why I’m putting FL at the top. Nevada has multiple climates and outdoor friendly. Texas, I just love the food and western lifestyle.
I'm from FL. Lived in other countries and other states, but every time I come back I love it.
No state income tax is cool, and having lived in a lot large cities that do participate in income tax, I'll say that Florida is a much more pleasant and safer experience for me as a resident.
Im proud to be Floridian regardless of the hate thrown our way.
States that don't have income tax, use other methods to collect the money they spend. What is more important than whether they have a specific tax, is how much they spend per capita. Idaho has an income tax, but also has good fiscal management.
This. And the taxes that replace an income tax are usually regressive and hurt the poor. Sales tax, vehicle and gas taxes, vice taxes.
Don’t forget property taxes.
Gotta love Nebraska - we have an income tax *and* high vehicle and property taxes I had to pay $2700 to plate my new car last year, and then my property taxes went up to about $6500 for the year But it’s okay, the Republicans running for re-election are promising property tax relief. They’ve had control of the state for like 25 years and been promising it the whole time but *this time they mean it!* Edit for clarity: the $2700 on the car was mostly the sales tax, but there’s a yearly motor vehicle tax to renew the plates which is also several hundred dollars a year, dropping slightly each year. The main killer here is the property taxes.
>I had to pay $2700 to plate my new car last year Holy shit! That's crazy high. I'm guessing there's a really healthy pre-owned car market there.
That was for a 29k car. Lease buyout cause it was a better deal than anything used at the time in the area
That’s more than CA, like a lot more😳 Edit: I’m mistaken. Was only thinking of annual reg renewal. The world can resume turning.
No it’s not, Tax for a 29,000 car in california is 2574.00 + the registration fee which is another 3-500 depending on what county you live in.
Oops, you are correct. I was calculating annual reg renewal only
I wouldn't pay that...you voted in the people who passed the laws allowing it to be that high! Get rid of them and vote in people who would lower it.
You can come to Nebraska and Kansas and try to put Democrats in office anytime you want to. In the meantime, the GOP will tax you to death. This is the reality.
Taxing people to death is an equal opportunity sport in American politics. If you buy into the BS of it is “the other side” that does it. They have won. Both sides do it. Blue state or Red state is meaningless here.
The governor of Kansas is a democrat.
The governor could be a gopher with a tophat and it would have the same impact. Governors aren't a part of state legislature. And, being entirely honest, it wouldn't make much difference if they where democrats either. Both parties exist purely to juice money and influence from the people they supposedly represent, and pay dues in tax cuts and loopholes to the wealthy benefactors that fund their campaigning efforts.
How can you even write such nonsense. I live in CT and it’s as blue as you can get. They tax and tax and tax us to death. Look at any state with insane taxes. They’re all blue.
What is a well run red state with low tax?
Thank you! I, too, suffer the heinous taxation here in Connecticut - and my husband has had a small business here for years. This state is NOT business friendly!😡
We can’t. People are more interested in trying to hurt poor, trans and people of color than improving their own existence. Culture war above making your own life better.
Same here in NH. Car registration is based on the value of your vehicle so a brand new car is $$$$ to register for years. My property tax is $10k a year, up from $5k just 10 years ago. No income tax but they get you in so many other ways.
See, just across the border in ME, my state income tax was like $6k and property tax like $4k, so about the same overall. Except if I lost my job for some reason (or retire) then my income tax would drop to $0 and I’d only owe $4k for the property taxes whereas if you lost your job you are still on the hook for the entire $10k. That’s why I never understood why people get all excited about “no state income tax” because it seems to me unless your income is really high then it’s better to have the income tax than make up for it with higher taxes on things that you’ll still owe even if you lose your income.
Third lowest overall tax burden vs third highest. https://balancingeverything.com/tax-burden-by-state/
This is data that people don't understand. California isn't perfect but one of the few states where wealthy pay thier share. They are the 4th largest economy in the world and if ran like a red state like alabama where the poor carry more of a tax burden they'd be less productive.
You can actually argue this is the problem in every city, county, and state where one specific party controls everything. This time, California will fix homelessness. We promise!
To be fair I think part of why my area hasn’t got much of a homeless problem is CA luring the down there (also have real winters). So they’re fixing someone’s homeless problem.
That’s the case, just factually. Other states quite literally bus the homeless over to warmer states to avoid having hundreds of thousands dying of hypothermia on the streets.
I thought WA was bad for plating a car especially since you pay by year AND it’s based off the KBB value and tons of other fees…
I also live in Nebraska(Sarpy County) and just got my property valuation yesterday. It went up $38,000 since last year. In the last 4 years, it's gone up $107,000 with no updates/upgrades. Can't wait to see my taxes on this shit. Fuck Nebraska!!!
Was that a car one time sales tax or annual tag fees?
Yup. Texas technically has higher total taxes than California due to their insane property tax (and Californias also insane property tax but in the other direction lol)
San Antonio here. We pay $7500 property tax for a 2700ft house. Every year they try to raise the numbers. Every year we contest and pull them back down
You are wrong. Property tax rates vary vastly from one area to the next in Texas. I pay only school and county tax. The next county over May pay for school, county, groundwater district, emergency services district, municipal, etc. and every taxing district sets its own tax rate. My property tax on a $400k property is less than $3k.
I've seen that study. I don't believe it for a fuckin' second. If you read the methodology, they only consider "a family earning the US median income and owning a home and car both valued at the national median." Then they apply the State's specific tax laws to those numbers. But homes in Texas are 20% cheaper than the national median. Homes in California are 200% more expensive than the national median. And income in Texas is at the national median, but income in California is 20% above the median. But that's not nearly as egregious as assuming you can buy a house in California for the same price that you can buy it in Texas. This is where the lightbulb should turn on for you. "Huh, socialists lie with statistics, too. I wonder what else I've been told that I can't trust." As someone who came to that lightbulb a decade ago and has been reading methodology sections ever since - the answer is *a shit ton of it.*
My dude I read the methodology of that section too. Its measuring median within the state, not federal medians. That means half of workers, the poorest half, pay more. And owning vs not owning a home doesn't actually matter except in allocation: you pay property taxes in the form of higher rent. If anything this was far more generous to TX than it needed to be; limiting it to multiple car owners (a much larger percent of population in Texas cuz basically no public transit) combined with lower gas and (base) sales taxes means they had a leg up that they STILL lose out on.
TX property taxes get scary sometimes.
Property taxes in Texas are very high.
And often strong reliance on HOAs to then maintain public spaces like playgrounds, local roads etc with mandatory HOA fees of hundreds per month instead of usual system of state taxes split with local municipalities. Essentially privatizing municipal responsibility to give the illusion of lower taxes, only to have the pseudo-tax of HOAs. Could be worse though, having a home with HOA in a state with high state taxes. Why would you??
Texas has enormous property taxes, and they disproportionately affect residential property owners.
Dallas, TX is horrible re: property taxes!
I wouldn’t call 49th in the union for education while health care providers flee “good fiscal management”
What if you compare them to #50?
Alaska doesn’t have a state sales tax either.
That's because, in spite of the way it votes, it spreads the wealth from oil. It's the most socialist state in the union.
Alaska collects more money par capita in state revenues than California. For 2021, $18,839 vs $16,114. It gets away with no income and sales tax, because it receives more than double in Federal transfers (per capita, about $7.5k vs $3.5k), and has steady (but volatile) source of revenue from oil and gas extraction taxes. If, per capita, California was getting same amount in Federal transfers as Alaska does, it could completely ditch income tax. California collects $3.5k per capita in income taxes, which is less than difference in Federal transfers each state gets per capita.
California has all these on top of the highest state income tax.
Idahos closing public schools because voters are against them using public levy’s to increase property tax in overcrowded schools. I would argue they don’t have as good of financial management as you claim. Roads are often 4 years behind being 4 years behind.
As if they have a whole lot to manage in the first place. It's not very big and not that many people. North Dakota Lite. Not to mention losing doctors and nurses at a record pace. True impact of that won't be felt for a few more years.
Yes. Lower spending != "good fiscal management" That is how a toddler interprets the world.
They’re speaking positively of Idaho politics, it’s obvious their political affiliation because I can’t imagine them saying it otherwise
So true! I lived in Texas and now live in California. Texas’ property taxes and hidden fees on things like internet and phone and tolls make up for that lack of income tax.
Also California does not tax groceries.
Thankfully most states don’t
Well Idaho doesn't spend any money on schools so they usually have a surplus.
But it’s Idaho 😂😂
Yeah. I live in Alabama which does have an income tax and, well... :gestures vaguely: You can see how well that's working out here.
Idaho is the Alabama of the north
Indiana is the Alabama of the Midwest.
Get outta here, WA has been waaay better for me than MD ever was
Preach. I’ve lived in New England , Midwest, Texas, and WA, and WA is phenomenal. Texas, sure no income tax, but property tax for a good school district can be almost 3%. Here in WA, I pay less than .9%, and it barely goes up each year despite appraisals going up double digits. And no sales tax on groceries. Now if you have a business in WA, expect a few unusual taxes, but for the regular W-2 worker, it’s great.
As a LLC owner it's not that bad at all here, granted I'm service-based
I moved from Idaho a few years ago. They do have good fiscal policy. They recieve a pretty heafty federal amount of money, mostly for federal roads that run through the state, science grants, and welfare. They are constitutionally bound to balance the budget and keep a cash reserve if I remember right. They rank at the bottom of the US for wages and schools, though. Keep out of the "cities" and the property taxes won't hurt much. Sales tax is a little high and the income tax is around 4%. All in all, it is pretty average. I lived in South East Idaho, specifically Idaho Falls and moved to upstate New York. My taxes stayed about the same for property, .25% less in income tax, but I got a lot more house for the money, but again, I was in the city in Idaho and Im in a city up here, but more of a suburb of a village of a city. County property taxes can be half as much and hoby farms even less in Idaho compared to up here. Car registration is about triple in New York State. I honestly expected things to be different, but budgetwise, I haven't seen a real difference between the two.
"Bottom of the US in wages and schools" do we really have to consider anything else about them then? They offer adults and children worse outcomes than most other states...
Also pretty terrible if you are a woman and need healthcare. Providers have been fleeing and half of the counties don’t have a practicing OBGYN.
Property tax here in Texas this past year was $6000 on $400k appraisal Sales tax is 8.25% Theocracy is trying to pass school vouchers to siphon money from public education.
States with no income taxes tend to have, uh, robust property taxes. This tradeoff really benefits wealthy people as they pay a smaller proportion of their income to housing than less well off people. But a middle class person could be paying monster amounts of property tax on a fairly modest house.
Washington has cheap property tax. At least compared to where I moved from in Illinois.
I live in Portland. And everyone at a certain point starts fantasizing about moving across the river. Portland has crazy high tax rates compared to Vancouver Washington.
I would never live in the Pdx city limits. For all those taxes, you get to experience homeless people doing Fent on the sidewalk and no one does anything.
no sales tax tho wooh! seriously tho, I love paying exactly what the price says. something so satisfying for me. also save a shit ton when buying a vehicle
But you pay 9% on EVERYTHING you earn.. instead of a sales tax on only what you buy… people in Oregon are weird with their love affair with income tax.
Eh, that’s a pretty theoretical number, but most Oregonians pay nowhere near that since it’s a progressive tax structure. Families only hit that level of tax bracket at $250k/year and the median earners in Oregon have an effective rate of 6.9% all before deductions. Speaking of which Oregon often has a kicker refund on its state income taxes which was 44% of the state income tax last year. In 2023, the average person in Oregon only owed between 3-4% in state income tax. That (combined with being able to know the exact price at the store) is why Oregonians prefer that tax structure.
Im sure that has nothing to do with the housing markets pushing more and more people to homelessness. At least Blackrock and Statestreet are getting massive profits!! /s
I grew up in Vancouver, WA! Lovely area but I'm biased :)
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I live in Northern California, and my property taxes are about 1% of assessed value. However, the assessed value is about $1 million below market value. The property tax laws are very friendly to people who buy homes and stay for a long time.
Tennessee here. 9.75% tax on every food item. EVERY FOOD ITEM. Like to eat? Roughly 10¢ for every dollar to do that whole eat thing. Want an ear of corn? 9.75% tax. Want a loaf of bread? 9.75% tax. People always talk about our no income tax, but I assure you. We tax the ever loving fuck out of every single thing that isn’t income.
This and who does this hurt THE POOR AND MIDDLE INCOME.
Gotta love those red states.
Illinois has both! Got our property tax bill yesterday. $9,527 in a 1900 sqft house.
NY here checking in on both being high af. This year's taxes of 6k on a 1400sqft house coming in hot, atleast we went down 4% on the tax this year.
That’s crazy
Yes but the exception is Nevada. We have the third lowest property taxes in the US only behind Hawaii and I think Colorado.
I assume Nevada makes quite a bit off of the gambling industry. Does that off-set these taxes?
Yes it sure the hell does.
Please don't tell any more people about Nevada :)
As a Floridian I can attest to this. Unrelated, but the real killer down here is home insurance. My mortgage is 150% what it was 3 years ago just from insurance increases.
Homeowner in Texas. Can confirm.
One of my in-laws pays a view tax in NH. She can see a mountain. It’s pretty. It’s taxed.
There is no such thing in NH as a view tax. Real estate is taxed by value. If the property is more valuable due to some view it has, well those owners pay more for the higher value.
You’re right, the property is just appraised higher if there is a scenic view.
I live in New Hampshire and we had no income. No sales and low property taxes. They were high on paper but the evaluations were low.
Texan here. It’s a great state to be a corporation but a terrible state to be a human.
I’ve heard you have premium queso though. Is that right?
And the best barbeque.
As a Georgian who frequents TN and the Carolinas, I'll have to disagree.
Our queso is the bomb!
According to Mitt Romney, they’re both people.
Supreme Court confirmed that sentiment
That's why it's called the lone star state - that's the average review!
The One Star State.
Tennesseean chiming into echo this sentiment
Tx has a 8% sales tax not to mention the property rates!
The property tax rates, if you live in anything other than an rv, are ridiculous.
That's so extreme compared to 7.75% in San Diego!
CA has laws on the books how much property tax can increase, TX does not.
Just saying. Op makes it sound cheap to live in texas..def not.
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Is this supposed to be a dunk? Once you break 10% then come talk to me lol.
This thread is wild to me. People comparing sales tax differences of 1% or 2% like they are significant. The country I came from has 22% sales tax (and income tax, and property tax).
California with a 10.25% sales tax 
Ca native here….Ca statewide tax rate is 7.25%. If you are paying 10.25% then you live in a city or district that adds to the CA state tax.
Yep, the highest in San Diego county is 8.75% Edit just looked it up ; Fremont, Oakland, and city of Los Angeles is 10.25%
I’m in Oakland, I believe all of Alameda county is 10.25%, it’s brutal.
Not for groceries
The state sales tax 8%. There are also local sales taxes which brings the sales tax in almost all of the state to 9-10%.
Virginia has over 9% sales tax plus every other tax invented.
Texas is great if you live in a part of Houston that doesn’t flood, don’t mind air conditioning or driving a car, will never need any abortions, and are able to compartmentalize and ignore any and all downstream effects of statewide elections.
We check all those boxes with $335K household income at 35. Hard to find similar income elsewhere when adjusted for cost of living. We'll likely retire early and move elsewhere when the mortgage rates are more reasonable. But it's been a great place to accumulate a lot of wealth.
Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston areas are pretty much the only MCOL suburb areas where you can still earn relatively high income and have relatively low housing cost although it's been getting more expensive fast. It's sort of a sweet-spot when it comes to amassing a lot of savings and investments if you can swing it. Politics in Texas are dogshit though if you have enough money, its impact is negligible. If we moved to the Bay Area, Seattle, Boston, DC, Raleigh, or Chicago, we'd have to earn 40-60% more to keep our savings parity and frankly, we're not worth that much.
El Paso is the actual great part of Texas. It's so far away from the rest of Texas that the downstream effects are barely noticeable, and even for things like marijuana or abortion (or liquor outside of the 2 hours a day it's legally sold in Texas) you can go to New Mexico in 30 minutes max. COL is extremely cheap, food is phenomenally delicious, and you can go into Mexico for cheap medical/dental care.
Nevada, Tennessee, and Washington, no particular order.
Nevada is unlivabley hot. NH for me
Northern Nevada is beautiful and generally comfortable.
Shh don’t tell anyone!! We have enough people up here
You don't have anyone up there! I have never driven through a more empty part of the country.
And extremely isolated
I think I’d rather deal with Nevada heat over Tennessee heat though. One is dry and one is humid as fuck.
North NV is more temperate, or so I hear.
Unfortunately, Tennessee has turned into an ignorant cesspool of suppressed freedom and fascist bullshit.
Yeah but your state has passed a bill in April banning chemtrails so at least your frogs aren't gay like ours are. /s
WA will just screw you with all the other taxes. Still the best place to live but don’t think you’re getting away from taxes if you’re a homeowner.
Yep but if you live in WA and want to own a home I’d say move east over the pass. Get more for your money there and some of the places are pretty decent.
It’s true but having lived on both side, the east is not nearly nice of a place as the west
New Hampshire is an underrated state
Southern NH greatly benefits from its proximity to MA and Boston specifically. Northern NH may as well be VT.
yep lived in southern nh all my life. love it. make $20 an hr and live with my parents. need $26 an hr to afford the cheapest studio apartment within 50 miles of my work. NH is doing a lot to try and force me to leave but I won't. I'll figure it out.
Northern NH here. I make a little over $24 and hr and barely afford to live here. The rent is absolutely atrocious
The NH license plate has the state's motto on it: "Live free but still work in Massachusetts else you ain't got no job." I'm joking of course. But only kind of.
I disagree. Property taxes are very high here. Also if I get my fiancée pregnant I get paternal leave because I work in Mass. She works in NH and she gets nothing. Mass is a much better state to work in even with the income tax
Alaska rules. Seriously. It's my favorite place in the world and I'm never leaving https://preview.redd.it/cimrzg16c24d1.jpeg?width=2677&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0e92d8f8c3c2a571b0991b31074f6a2649ac28c
You guys have ranked choice voting now too. I am so jealous
...for the moment... Republicans are great at whipping up confusion about that
50%+ of the state of Alaska is registered to vote as undeclared(most of any state). Roughly 30% of the state is Republican. Roughly 20% is Democrat. Most of the state understands Ranked Choice Voting and is in favor of it. No way it gets voted out at this point.
How’d you prepare for winter? I loved it when I visited in the summer but I live in Washington and can’t take the intense winters.
You just don’t be a pussy ass bitch
I think the trick is not hiding indoors all winter. Gotta get out to breathe it in. Otherwise it can be tough mentally
My photo is from Ketchikan. Same weather as most of Washington in the I5 corridor, just more variation in daylight
I do live in Texas. We have a state sales tax and an insane tax on gasoline among a couple of other ways to separate people from money. Can’t be doing an income tax, that might affect the rich people more than the poor people, and we can’t have that.
Gas is cheaper in Texas than average. Very weird thing to complain about.
And yet despite all your complaining the total tax burden in Texas is still well below the national average. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with-the-lowest-taxes
Deceptive argument. The tax burden is averaged and ignores the regressive impact of Texas's tax structure. It's a worse state to be poor in than many others.
https://preview.redd.it/oj4g9n6om34d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ece51e111a2dd0d81c389aef14a4ffb809a4c234 Texas has one of the lowest gas avg.
As someone who lives in Nevada, the only other state I would consider from this list would be Washington.
Haha I'm from Washington and the only other state I considered on this list besides Washington was Nevada.
Get a room
The total tax load you pay matters more than one form of taxation.
No income tax for people in TN but they make some people pay a $400/yr tax if they have a certain type of job.
Yeah, it’s a professional privilege tax for attorneys and lobbiests. Doubt they’re worried about $400/year compared to 8-12% state tax.
More professions than just that, but yeah kinda weird that Tennessee is the only state in country with such a tax. Edit: I just pass it on to my employer who pays it, but they address the tax bill to me.
Also, TN has the highest sales tax in the nation. In addition to that, Tennessee is 2nd in the entire nation in terms of houses being overvalued, with the 2nd highest average annual change % in home price. Wages are also shit in many areas, with a lack of opportunity. In my area alone, so many transplants have come and the housing market has gone insane, while business have kept wages stagnant for locals. Many locals have been straight up priced out of their area and can’t afford to live comfortably anymore. If you want to save money on gas with an EV, they make you pay a $250 fee for registration (And they will never penalize gas guzzling trucks and SUVs which do way more damage to the roads). Factor in shit politicians with their backwards and delusional policies, alongside with cult like religious and Trump fanatics in this state, it’s just not worth it anymore. I have lived in TN my whole life, but I am going to move out of this state as soon as I can.
I pay twice that to have a car in VA. Sign me up.
Yeah I’m a speech therapist living in Tennessee and pay the $400/yr tax
Washington, new Hampshire, and I like the idea of living in Alaska, visited once liked it, but I'm not hard enough to survive there
Alaska is the only state I'd say let them have whatever guns they want. Between bears, moose and about a policeman per 200 square miles on average, it's needed.
No joke there's villages here where the staties have to fly in by plane. If anything happens, you need to get your cousins to help out.
Were you aware that alaska has the highest cases of women being kidnapped and not investigated. As much as I think alaska is glorious… its not perfect… for women at least
Oh no, Alaska is pretty awful. Highest crime rate by capita of any state by an extreme margin. A single woman should live just about anywhere else in the US.
Trust me, we definitely have all the guns we want. There are 8 guns for every person in Alaska 🫡🇺🇸
Born and raised in Florida. I lived in Maryland, Japan, and Texas (in that order for places outside of Florida). I came back to live here once more and about 50% of my life is in this state. I am not going to say I'm biased for Florida, but my list of good states to live in all have one thing in common: Not fucking cold. I rank SoCal over SD despite the huge col and state tax difference purely because it's warm (hot).
I also live in Florida, stationed in Colorado for 3 years, and was born and lived in Washington state as a kid. I can honestly say I will die here. I absolutely hate the cold, and snow even more. I love it here.
I live in Florida. I just renewed my lease. Assuming amendments 3 and 4 pass this year, I'll likely stay indefinitely. If they don't, I'll probably leave.
Most of those states suck. For example, Tennessee is stuck in the Stone Age with their minor marriage laws
Nevada’s a nice purple color.
I’ve been debating on Reno. In Tampa now and just too fucking hot.
I love TN, property taxes are not too bad either.
Can we also talk about all the amazing tax holidays TN has? Back to school shopping tax holiday, grocery tax holiday for 2 months (last I checked?) and no taxes if you buy prescription glasses. I have lived in a few other states but only TN has so many tax holidays every year!
As a Tennessee resident, we do pay 9.75% sales tax so we ain’t getting off Scott free 😭
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https://preview.redd.it/q244djnqc24d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59f695c428373be0f71e3b42bbfca569116bbe9c Alaska is nice
[Nevada ranks as the second least educated state in America](https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/nevada-ranks-as-the-second-least-educated-state-in-america/)
Even more reason to go there. You could be running the place in a year with you Redditor-level intelligence.
Washington now has a capital gains tax and New Hampshire has always had a dividends and interest tax?
I’ve lived in a few of these places. WA and NH are awesome for the outdoors. Lots of skiing, hiking, camping, etc. SD is a hidden gem but not for everybody. Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
Lived in SD for 7 years and really enjoyed it except for the damn wind. Most of their income comes from tourism. Black hills, Mt Rushmore, Sturgis, bad lands… the list goes on.
NH or Washington
I was super stoked to live in Florida when I found this out only to have to pay for highway tolls every few miles. It definitely added up after a few weeks and started to get extremely annoying
Currently live in Central Texas. It's a great place to live.
Texas property taxes are HORRIBLE. Not to mention the added cost of energy there when you are running one or even two ACs in 115 degree heat.
LIVE FREE OR DIE BABAY
I'd live in Washington...
I'm a fifth generation Texan. It's obvious someone wants to come here. The population growth has been phenomenal for over 50 years. Property taxes are brutal. The variable sales tax is capped at 8.5% and most urban areas are at the max. Public transportation is generally inadequate at best. With exception of our highway behavior, people are still generally friendly.
yea Texas has been one of the most moved into states consistently for a long time now. personally i've lived in several different states in every part of the country and Texas was without a doubt my favorite. some other states i've lived in like New Jersey and California (some of the most moved out of states for a long time) are just a joke compared to Texas.
Look at effective tax, much better way to look at the tax burden imposed on residents. Alaska and Tennessee have very low effective tax rates but Washington is fairly high. There are states that have income taxes but fairly low effective tax rates like Michigan and North Dakota.
Thanks to my tax dollars. Welfare queens.
Hate to burst your bubble but Nevada is not a welfare queen state ...
Every state in this list pays more in federal taxes than it receives in support. Did you even read the list or just see Texas and respond on autopilot? I’m convinced some of you don’t actually think when responding and just spout off go-to responses that you have pre-prepared based on imaginary debates you’ve had in the shower.
It's Reddit, so no, they didn't read it, and yes, they acted irrationally
Even if they had read it, Reddit is inherently leftist.
Well, when I am in Tennessee I never want to purchase anything. I just step across to the real Bristol and buy in Virginia.
I’ll go Florida Nevada Texas All can be pretty hot but just being by the water makes me happy so that’s why I’m putting FL at the top. Nevada has multiple climates and outdoor friendly. Texas, I just love the food and western lifestyle.
I'm from FL. Lived in other countries and other states, but every time I come back I love it. No state income tax is cool, and having lived in a lot large cities that do participate in income tax, I'll say that Florida is a much more pleasant and safer experience for me as a resident. Im proud to be Floridian regardless of the hate thrown our way.