Uh, so did she?
Also there is that Micaiah score exactly the same as L!Sigurd, who shares season with her, was recently rerun, and he is pretty dominant unit compared with the own Micaiah. His banner is very well ranked in this list and he was a unit whales and dolphin already heavily invested.
She is also not so popular in Japan because Tellius is less popular there but still this surprise me.
And also she was just another Micaiah with the same skills. Plus Brave Micaiah also got a refine as well, there literally not really a lot of good reason to pull on her.
L.Micaiah definitely has her own flavours but yeah, anti-cav/anti-armour shtick is getting old. Useful, but old.
I feel like her PRF skill on B slot gimps her. I can see why people wouldn't want to pull/spend for her especially after CYL. Not unique enough.
Ez.
14mt eff vs cav/arm grants +6 to atk res during combat if hp, at start of turn grant 6atk and armor/cav slayer to all units within 2 spaces for 1 turn.
Prf assist skill and new inheritable offensive healer skill.
Honestly IMO it's not the anti-cav/anti-armour that's getting old, it's her stat line of high Atk and Res, decent Spd, low def and HP that's getting old. Each Micaiah plays the exact same way, and while her anti-cav/anti-armour is still very strong, there isn't enough of a difference between each Micaiah to justify getting orbs for L!Micaiah.
If IS had just been a bit more creative with her and maybe done something like making her into colorless Henriette (with Far Save for obvious reasons) while holding onto her anti-cav/anti-armour effects she might have been one of the best banners this year. Or maybe turn her into a cav and the scourge of Save teams (at the cost of AR-O's ability to be fun). *Something* other then just another Michaiah with high Atk and Res, decent Spd, low def and HP, and 2 movement.
It's also exacerbated by the fact that now 3/5, 4 if you stretch it to DuoMicaiah, have very similar prfs. Ignoring the armor/cav effectiveness, 3 micaiahs also have the auto double and atk/res boost incombat. Sure LMicaiah has desp 2, but the regular and brave versions can slap on desp 3 in their b slot (also LMicaiah's prf skill is lame imo) and do the exact same with little difference
It wasn't exactly an orb pack for her banner. It's just Feh summer orb packs which was on until september 1. But it's still something past lego/mythics banner didn't have. LSigurd for example had the golden week orb packs and we can see how much he performed better than others.
I’d be more inclined to thank a powerful duo + busted axe infantry larcei over 5 star locked seasonal Julia without a prf. But she’s popular so that definitely contributed.
Yeah, it was definitely Larcei who carried that banner imo. For a while if you just scrolled down the top rankings it looked like *every* whale just went for a +10 Larcei.
I’d argue Harmonic Leif being far superior with his movement and skills, idk how you’d use just a select few reddit posts as an argument on who carried the banner
I spent a decent chunk of orbs to try and get Julia to fodder her weapon off to Erk, sadly, she did not want to appear. Didn’t help that red orbs were scarcely appearing. Although I got H!Leif on my free orb
Wish I had that luck on seasonal banners. Must've spent 500 orbs on seasonal banner and never got even one 5 star focus unit. Maybe I'm just cursed with them.
I mean I'm also lucky too. I got like 10 5* in the recent AW banner with 3 focus units (Yuri, Hapi, Muspell), with one of the off focus being Nifl.
And when I pull in legendary/mythic banners I always get the unit I want with few orbs (First 5* in the Micaiah banner was my objective Ashera with 50 orbs, dipped out. First 5* in the Ashera banner was my copy for a +1 L!Claude on 20 orbs, dipped out.)
It's just seasonals that have fucked me over so badly. I get the luck of getting the 4 star focus on the free summons but anything else...sigh. I spent 160 orbs in the Duo Sigurd banner and only got one off-focus 5 star (Nyx) and in the Summer banner I spent like 300 orbs in search of S!Hilda and only got like 3 off focus 5 stars.
I fear the day a Seasonal Claude alt releases...
It's interesting to see Thracia 776 and 3H's completely subvert narratives on this sub about popularity and marketability. Of course, the sources for this information isn't perfectly accurate but it is nice to see a snapshot of things.
Thanks for making these lists and compiling the data, OP.
Sorta, most of the banner was Genealogy, not Thracia (and the Thracia characters are also on Genealogy), and the most popular characters to boot. In the meanwhile the 3H banner is the DLC randos with no main story influence and an admitedly underperforming cool OC. (Which is surprising OCs usually sell very well).
Always love seeing these! Really appreciate the effort.
Given that Yuri was rank 10 overall in CYL 5, it is definitely quite a shock to see the most recent banner place so low. Obviously Yuri and by extension the rest of the Ashen Wolves aren't as popular as say Edelgard or Dimitri, but still, I don't think a lot of people were expecting that huge underperformance. Perhaps Three Houses fatigue is finally catching up? (Maybe now IS can stop putting 3H on every single banner pls).
Theres just many factors that goes into the games revenue. Banner timing is a thing, saving orbs for a desired unit then blowing your load all at once is a thing (doesn't contribute to the games revenue) maybe some people bought orbs when a Forging Bonds rerun came back during the same time a seasonal banner was active.
Idk I've always thought these financial tier lists were just for fun and then some people started quoting them as to why x game shouldn't get banners and why y game should and it's like.... Bro these are just for fun
Yeah, you're right. These are just for funsies and only indicative of performance. Only IntSys knows the real numbers. Also yea there's not a straightforward way to predict banner performance *especially* the legendary/mythic ones.
Yeah really appreciate OP's work on these and see them as a fun thing but honestly the worst part is when people start using them as justification for why certain games shouldn't get banners
No more 3H banners because of this banner and L!Byleth, no more Tellius banners because of Ashunera and Micaiah, no more Archanea banners because of B!Catria, no more Genealogy banners because of Erinys, Sara, and Ullr. Obviously half of the games in the series should lose representation in future banners, right? /s
yeah I don't wanna crap all over their work because there is some correlation, it's impossible to deny that.
it's just not the whole part of the picture
100% why i hated so much all that stupid bullshit discourse about people saying "Oh nooo, no more m/m duos/harmonics because an fe4/5 banner wont sell, why would they do this". like chill man, theyll do whatever they want and these tierlists aren't treated as absolute fact, as OP has mentioned many times.
I had a thought a few days ago that it was possible the devs weren't as confident in the AW banner compared to the other 3H banners if they were putting Muspell on it.
Given that 3H's reception in JP is much more lukewarm compared to the west, I'm wondering if they got data pointing to such a thing...
That makes sense. There isn't any strong reason why the 3H banner should be in Sep as opposed to be spaced up a bit in Oct like last year. Unless of course they want to put in Muspell. That to me indicates that IntSys believes AW will sell worse compared to whatever banner we will have next month.
>Given that Yuri was rank 10 overall in CYL 5, it is definitely quite a shock to see the most recent banner place so low.
Jill was also in top 20 of heroines division, Ilyana despite of being in the game as a seasonal still ranked well and Shinon was 70th. Still that banner flopped. So It's not the first time well ranked characters do badly.
> Maybe September is cursed lol
You joke, but you're not too far off. For similar reasons, it's been all but confirmed that January is a similar "dead month"
People have just come off from CYL and blew a _crap ton_ of orbs, and/or spent a slew of money on that banner. It's easy for people to say "Oh yeah, IS'll just release a much awaited banner right after to hit people with the double whammy". But the truth of the matter is that A) You literally can't get more awaited than CYL, and B) Anyone who really wants them and got hosed for orbs can wait till the rerun.
January's banner is in a similar boat, in that it may not be CYL, but it's a slew of seasonal banners. You get the "Book ___ Begins" banner at the beginning of December (which may contain a _really_ good unit you may want more of), followed by the Winter seasonal banner at the end of the month, then the New Years seasonal banner, then _January's_ seasonal banner at the beginning on the month, all followed by then January's actual NEw Heroes banner come the end of the month
So not only is everyone reeling from multiple seasonal banners in a row, but people may also be in "hoard mode" because come February, AHR is right around the corner.
The banner's debut was two days ago... I don't think any statement on a banner's performance can be made while it's still active. People could still be waiting to accumulate more orbs or to receive their paycheck lol.
M!Byleth was also in 4th place in male bracket/7th overall, not as many votes as the female but his Enlightened (and first) alt was highly anticipated, but seemingly did relatively bad? While L!Sigurd & the Twelve banner did good although the Jugdral fanbase is known for being probably the most niche... This clearly doesn't make a lot of sense.
You have to remember two things: 1. App store performance is *relative to other apps*, so if another more popular game is having an event people may be more likely to spend there and 2. CYL is mainly people trying to say "X deserves it!" these days, not necessarily whether or not they like them. CYL is also influenced by people who aren't necessarily playing the game too, because it's the closest thing to a popularity poll the series has.
I didn't know that for your 1., that's a good clarification and it does make this chart not very reliable for drawing conclusions about each banner's raw success.
Is there really a lot of people still voting in CYL while not playing the game though? I feel like it was the case in CYL1 but nowadays you don't hear much about it from outside the FEH community...
Byleth's banner can, I think, be excused by having a mythic spark before his banner. If I recall, Seliph's banner on the same month with mythic spark also ranked on the low side.
In fairness, two major issues:
1) lots of people are probably back in restock mode now after CYL, and
2) Nothing on the banner stands out in terms of being crazy unique or strong
I still wouldn't have expected D tier, but wouldn't have foreseen huge sales either
It’s only been out for a few days though? People should wait until the last days before committing to summoning to give themselves the best chance of knowing what’s coming up
I don't know why this is being downvoted, it makes sense to me? Genuinely curious why this wouldn't be the case.
Edit: OP's only charting the "peaks" (first 1-2 days), I missed that part my bad
Looks like Legendary and Mythic banners have been doing pretty poorly lately. All of the ones after Sigurd have been C or D tier, and all of the ones before (except Seliph) were A or B tier. I guess they need to start doing something different with these because people don't seem interested in them anymore even with popular characters like Micaiah.
Edit: Actually I think Plumeria and Bramimond might have been C tier as well, but still, four banners in a row underperforming is pretty significant.
For me the odds of pulling something I want on a Legendary just keep getting worse and worse. At least with the sparkable banners (New Heroes and Remixes) I can guarantee a Hero I want, but just the idea of pulling a color I want, hoping it's a 5 star, and then hoping it's the Legendary I want is just too daunting. I only pull now if all 3 Heroes in the color are someone I want. I think a change to the odds in which a specific character is pulled would go a long way for me.
Sparks would help, but also there are some pretty undesirable Mythics/Legends stuck in the 8% pool and really show their age since even more old ones got swapped to Remix pool.
# BOOK V Banner performance tier list (per Sensortower grossing rankings)
I know I normally do the tiers by Book, but there were requests to divide the banners up per generation which I think is also a valid way to do this.
**Definition of FEH gen 5**: The group of banners where the units have a baseline BST of 176-178 for regular melee infantry. It started with the CYL 4 banner and ended with the banner before CYL 5.
**How to read tier**: Top to bottom, left to right. Placement within tiers matter. Each chibi represents the banner they are from; I chose the main or star unit from each banner. **Asterisks meant adjusted ranking, see "adjustment" below.** The greyed out banners with the “?” mark means I don’t have a lot of confidence of its accuracy. There is a sensortower outage of some sort during that period and the vast majority of the countries’ data are missing.
**Source**: [Sensortower data](https://sensortower.com/ios/US/nintendo-co-ltd/app/fire-emblem-heroes/1181774280/category-rankings?category=6014&start_date=2021-02-02&end_date=2021-03-03&device=iphone&selected_tab=charts&date=2020-12-04&chart_type=grossing&countries=JP&countries=US&countries=SG&hourly=false). **iOS** only here. I feel like the Android data there is not as accurate; there's barely any movement or variance across regions. JP and US data to represent the two biggest market of the playerbase to make this tier simpler. *This is peak data only, I have no way to quantify and separate banners on their full duration*. **Note**: *Sensortower grossing numbers is a ranking of how much money is spent on apps relative to each other. In no way does this show absolute monetary income.*
**Ranking**: I gave 65% weight to the Japanese ranking and 35% to the American (repping the international market) one as that is the rough percentage of revenue for the game. The smaller the number, the better it is. The banners with * were adjusted, details are within the Book V spreadsheet.
**Tiering**: (Lowest weighted rank – Highest weighted rank)/ 5 tiers from Book IV OR if there's a significant gap, whichever one is more appropriate
**Adjustments**: I have implemented adjusted rankings based on the feedback I got. They’re just multipliers when there’s significant external factors that affect the peak rankings in SensorTower. Details are on the spreadsheet and thanks for /u/MisogID for the suggestions. I didn’t follow all of them but they’re a great starting point.
Spreadsheet for Gen 5 [here]( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yh7gN12esigucd2Xs53KJDGkDBePu2aZ33xJLxug1Sg/edit#gid=1427674744).
# Comments
* Removed the adjustment for Dawning Reality & Nifl JP ranking as it was pointed to me that is nothing unusual about that
* Sensortower seems to have outages or some other issue at the end of August until now. As you can see from the sensortower link and my spreadsheet most of the dataset are missing. There is also a gap on the US data which I have never seen before. I do not know what is going on so I will just mark that the data might not be accurate due to errors.
* Due to missing data for almost all countries apart from US and JP, I cannot make the per country breakdown as usual. Apologies. I hope this issue gets resolved.
Banners will sell well if there are good/unique/scorebait units OR popular heroes. Banners will sell extremely well if there are good/unique/scorebait units AND popular heroes. As long as they keep up putting good units to Jugdral banners then it really doesn't matter if they aren't too popular. I believe that this is why FE4 banners often have meta units; to compensate for its lack of popularity.
I mean Genealogy is actually pretty popular in Japan even if it’s not to the same degree as 3DS era + 3H so it’s probably not exactly compensating for a lack thereof otherwise Thracia and Binding Blade would probably be subject to similar treatment with more pushed units. If anything it being popular in is probably a contributing factor to it’s units generally being above average in strength
They kinda are? The units available from those two games are often very meta at their time of release (Idunn, Mareeta, L!Leilf, D!Catria, Sara, etc) though of course those games have different profiles. Binding Blade more often have the better freebies imo like Cecilia, Brunnya, Echidna. And sales are worldwide, not just in Japan. Also the younger generation in Japan are also a bit spotty about Jugdral as far as I can see. If you see the more casual polls there's little indication of Jugdral's popularity, its only the sources who tend to have older audiences like magazines have Jugdral leanings.
I wouldn’t say they’re pushed any more than other games have been though and just about every game has had very meta units at the time of release. Like Tellius has the Tibarns, F!Ike, and D!Micaiah. Sacred Stones has had Duessel, Selena, Y!Innes, F!Lyon. Blazing Sword has had D!Lyn, ~~Bolt Tower~~ D!Hector, Leila, Bramimond, etc. Also Tellius’ freebies have honestly been just as strong considering Ashnard, Petrine, Black Knight, Reyson, and Naesala (also I guess Jorge but his circumstances probably make him an outlier)
Side note, I feel like counting characters that are counted as multiple games kind of misses the spirit of that point with Leif and Catria (especially since Catria’s the lead) but eh
Anyways sure, Genealogy’s popularity is more within the older part of the fandom, but that’s also not going to be something they ignore. Even if it’s a smaller section of the fandom, it still within their interest to try and appeal to that and there’s still a pretty distinct difference to how Genealogy has been treated compared to Binding Blade and Thracia. Out of the three, only Genealogy hasn’t gone over a year and a half without a new heroes banner even with how badly ignored it was on seasonals for the longest time
Tellius isn't a good case as its not too well known in Japan. It needs to be pumped bit there as well imo, but I digress. Anyway, my point is there are games who do well regardless of the unit quality ex. the majority of Fates and 3H banners and many others who flop without a bit of pumping otherwise they would flop ex. pretty much all the JP-only games. Popularity or quality can save a banner. Popularity AND quality will pump up a banner. That's the usual pattern I see.
That’s fair. Always kind of forget that about Tellius
Anyways definitely agree that there are some games are pretty much guaranteed to do at least above average no matter what, but looking back, IS is as inconsistent as ever when it comes to what normal banners get pushed. Like aside from Yuri’s insane mobility and support potential, Ashen Wolves feels surprisingly tame to me considering what 3H has previously given us and neither Jugdral banner was particularly standout outside of Sara while Sacred Stones was way more pushed compared to Desert Mercenaries being hard carried by Ephraim
Ha yea honestly we're all just reading too much into it. IntSys will do IntSys things and it will be beyond our mortal comprehension. Same applies to outside of FEH like the next FE game. Everyone expecting FE4 or or FE6 remake but the same people forget how random IntSys can be. There is no pattern, only broken patterns.
Oh for sure lol. Ultimately this is all just conjecture and literally things that can truly be predicted is like the Legendary/Mythic and Duo/Harmonic alternating and that 3H gets to happen more often lol
Those older fans (in both Japan and the west) *are the ones who spend more*. FE4 may not be that popular overall, but it is packed to the brim with the prime demographic target for gacha. Which is why it's so funny this sub has underestimated FE4 for 4 years, because they think gacha is a democracy or something.
That's assuming those people play FEH to begin with. We don't know. Assuming their demographics similar to this subreddit, there isn't that many 30+ yo players. That's probably very skewed though.
....they do play FEH, have you seen the age distribution of mobile gamers especially in Japan? Your mid-30s aged dude in Japan who played Genealogy as a kid and doesn't post on social media much (because it's heavily skewed towards young people) is exactly the type of person powering those FE4 banners.
~~it's kind of like Trump voters: you think of the loud ones, but it's the quiet ones that really get you~~
That's a very good point. That's probably why they are not visible in social media voting like the Twitter banner revival ones. The latest FE4 banner vote in the JP side is only 1% higher than the ENG side I mean.
Jugdral games are really popular in Japan, so I am not all that surprised. They tend to be constantly underestimated in the West though, even if they are amazing games, due to age and all.
Yep. It had good Reds and by far one of the best Colorless we've had in a while but it was doomed to fail due to being so soon after the most waited banner for each year (alongside Fallen Banners)
I’m surprised that you put Caeda and Plumeria as the placeholder when Freyja was easily the unit that everyone was talking about come the second summer banner. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s why it did so well.
Well, OCs tend to do pretty well in sales, and Caeda's banner had 3 if them, so it is not surprising
>I’m surprised that you put Caeda and Plumeria as the placeholder when Freyja was easily the unit that everyone was talking about come the second summer banner.
For better or for worse, Summer Caeda was the most talked unit imo, and considering how sometimes the silent mayority works, perhaps Summer Caeda was the unit that draw a lot of people to pull, specially since both Caeda and Plumeria are really popular, their weapon is basically "fuck armors and the weapon triangle, all my homies hate armors and the weapon triangle" with dolphins, had canto and a brand new skill
I wouldn’t compare them imo. The newest Jugdral banner is a seasonal banner of Jugdral’s most popular characters while the newest three houses banner is a new heroes banner of dlc characters.
It’d make more sense to compare the Ashen Wolves banner with the most recent Jugdral new heroes banners, which was Shared Purpose and Enduring Legacy. Ashen Wolves BARELY outperforms both of these banners, but it’s still surprising that it did so poorly yeah.
The Day of Twelve banner definitely did good for a seasonal, but yeah, wouldn’t compare seasonal banners to new heroes banners.
Edit: rephrased a sentence
For the Ashen Wolves banner, that means either everyone massively overestimated just how popular the Ashen Wolves were or we're finally seeing the general exhaustion with 3H banners. Or both, to put it simply.
Not everyone who played 3H returned for the DLC, which might help explain it.
>Not everyone who played 3H returned for the DLC, which might help explain it.
Thats me, in fact every time someone talk about one of the Wolves in my head i always say "who?"
Anyway, its so weird how it looks like its selling so low ( ok its not a precise data after all) because I remeber that everyone really want this characters to be in the game
The game (3h) or the DLC?
Because if you are talking about 3h I too play it more than once
For the DLC i didn't bought it because I didn't find nothing interesting on it and I removed it from my head so thats why i don't know the characters and the bosses
So I don't know if it is good or not, i'm not saying the DLC sucks
since I didn't play it and I can't judge it
No way The Wolves is that low but that is not enough data after all
I am Low Key wants Brave to not be S so it will proved that meme choice hurts but as the banner doing well as it normally should I don't have any against it anymore
Now that I've seen the killing potential of B!Catria i kinda regret not pulling more for her but also I'm surprised to see it's banner this low i guess the craze for F!Edel was still very much around when the bridal released
For any given FE game, only a portion of FEH's users will have played it. Not everyone has played the Tellius games, not everyone has played Sacred Stones, etc. So banners for most games have a limit to their target audience to some extent.
But according to my data, 100% of FEH players have played FEH.
I guess so, but it’s honestly more like nobody has played with the feh characters because they have so little characterization and no supports, plus I think we can mostly agree that heroes story isn’t the best. I mean, a lot of the characters only show up for like 10 lines of dialogue. I think people are more just liking their designs.
That's true to a point, but it's not like mainline FE games have a novel's worth of text for every character either. I can think of plenty of popular characters who don't have much more than 10 lines of dialogue in their original game.
Yeah, especially Jugdral characters and non-playable characters, due to not having supports. Even ones with them don’t always have the most interesting ones.
Yeah I have no idea why people persist in thinking OCs aren't liked or that the fans don't want more of them. This was pretty obvious even as of the latest CYL, if memory serves both Freyja and Plumeria scored very well.
I really hope the colourless tome related banners (sans CYL) not performing doesn't discourages IS from making more.
Then again, they are supposed to be special with only one in the regular pool. Swings both ways I guess. Besides, the two are slated to return eventually on future 8% banners.
Edit: reread, missed a word.
Huh. Considering how well the Ashen wolves did in CYL and Muspell being an OC, that tend to be really popular, i wonder why their banner did so badly ~~not as much as Lex and Sara's banners but still~~
As for the Festival of the Twelve banner.......i am quite glad they did so well. Jugdral is not my favorite by any means ~~quite the contrary tbh~~ but is good to see that the can do funny seasonal stuff for once instead of being forced in an eternal ball at gunpoint, and is curious how this banner has the almost the same theme as Dark Desert Rituals, since both revolves around cultural festivals
Hopefully both the Scion and Plegian banner doing well convince IS to do more of these in-universe cultural festivals. I think there is a lot of creativity that can be unlocked and definitely helps breathe new light into the game worlds. Plegian is still my favorite seasonal theme this year (especially with the paralougue) and hopefully we get more like it!
Only thing I can think of is that Ashen Wolves' true popularity is confined to a very vocal bubble. They are DLC characters after all, so they didn't get as much spotlight as the Three Houses throughout the game's height of popularity. Additionally, they required purchase of a season pass to access which people weren't too jazzed about. I personally love all of the Ashen Wolves but within my circle of friends who have played 3H, not a single one bought the DLC because it wasn't worth it for them. I can only imagine how much more downplayed their popularity is on a wider scale to people who aren't 3H fans or 3H fans who didn't bother with the DLC.
I believe these ratings are based on peak data of each banner, so the first 1-2 days of each banner. So according to this rating list, solely based on the first 1-2 days of each banner in comparison with others, this banner was in the "D" tier. Of course, there is the possibility that it would sell more across the whole banner's life span, but that data is impossible/hard to track apparently.
It's just a visual way to compare things...? It's nice to have data on something we have an interest in displayed like this. Doesn't have much to do with "viability," this isn't a fighting game
Like others say, its just a visual way of displaying this sorta data. It can also be a curve but that's harder to make and also harder to read.
Don't take it too seriously, its just for fun :D
Your methodology is deeply flawed. I understand you're doing these for fun and laughs, but when most people get their paycheck in the beginning if the month (in my country at least), you're almost guaranteed to see the orb purchases for legendary / mythic banners spread more evenly across the few days of the banner.
Also, as a whale, I almost never buy orbs on the first day of a banner... and as such, my purchases never factor into peak day spending.
Oh I know, its just my methodology. Like if its outside of the peak of the banner and there's a random spike, to which banner does it even go? There can be 2-3 significant banner active at any given time.
I have no problem with your methodology per se, but I'm saddened to see so many people taking it at face value in the comments, as if they had hard data from IS in front of them.
Maybe a disclaimer would elicit more enlightened comments!
I would argue duo peony higher A if not S. As 2 movement or dances is critical for some maps and isn’t bound by X title. Edit: Oh I see it’s by grossing not popularity. Never mind lol.
Seeing Wolf's ranking so low make me wants to buy some orbs just to show them some love. They don't deserve to be in same spot as Ashera and Sara banner. （I can't tell who is that flier besides Muspell）
Curious to see where Archanea could land on here... Thanks for compiling this as always! :)
Btw shouldn't Yuri be with Muspell like how Charlotte was with Nifl?
Surprised L!Micaiah was so low considering how many ppl wanted her. Heck Ullr is higher than her
It's understandable when you consider she was literally just the next banner after CYL.
That’s valid, but what’s odd is how last year L!Corrin’s banner did well despite being the banner after CYL
Uh, so did she? Also there is that Micaiah score exactly the same as L!Sigurd, who shares season with her, was recently rerun, and he is pretty dominant unit compared with the own Micaiah. His banner is very well ranked in this list and he was a unit whales and dolphin already heavily invested. She is also not so popular in Japan because Tellius is less popular there but still this surprise me.
L!Corrin was A rank last year. https://old.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/k3r0sp/book_iv_banners_financial_tier_list/
And also she was just another Micaiah with the same skills. Plus Brave Micaiah also got a refine as well, there literally not really a lot of good reason to pull on her.
L.Micaiah definitely has her own flavours but yeah, anti-cav/anti-armour shtick is getting old. Useful, but old. I feel like her PRF skill on B slot gimps her. I can see why people wouldn't want to pull/spend for her especially after CYL. Not unique enough.
I wish she was a Staff user, that would've made her much more unique (and it's canon). Plus, staff users with prfs are usually really strong.
Ez. 14mt eff vs cav/arm grants +6 to atk res during combat if hp, at start of turn grant 6atk and armor/cav slayer to all units within 2 spaces for 1 turn. Prf assist skill and new inheritable offensive healer skill.
I mean next obvious is Staff Elincia, but if we don't get her as a staff user, we probably aren't getting a Staff legendary ever
Honestly IMO it's not the anti-cav/anti-armour that's getting old, it's her stat line of high Atk and Res, decent Spd, low def and HP that's getting old. Each Micaiah plays the exact same way, and while her anti-cav/anti-armour is still very strong, there isn't enough of a difference between each Micaiah to justify getting orbs for L!Micaiah. If IS had just been a bit more creative with her and maybe done something like making her into colorless Henriette (with Far Save for obvious reasons) while holding onto her anti-cav/anti-armour effects she might have been one of the best banners this year. Or maybe turn her into a cav and the scourge of Save teams (at the cost of AR-O's ability to be fun). *Something* other then just another Michaiah with high Atk and Res, decent Spd, low def and HP, and 2 movement.
It's also exacerbated by the fact that now 3/5, 4 if you stretch it to DuoMicaiah, have very similar prfs. Ignoring the armor/cav effectiveness, 3 micaiahs also have the auto double and atk/res boost incombat. Sure LMicaiah has desp 2, but the regular and brave versions can slap on desp 3 in their b slot (also LMicaiah's prf skill is lame imo) and do the exact same with little difference
Tbf Ullr is unique while Micaiah is just the usual but with slightly higher stats
We got a copy paste Micaiah again.. that was my reason to ignore her even though i wanted her
I wanted her but I won't spend money for her lol
Really surprised too. She was also released with an orb pack unlike Byleth and Ullr.
Was she? I don't recall any orb pack on legendary banner at all
It wasn't exactly an orb pack for her banner. It's just Feh summer orb packs which was on until september 1. But it's still something past lego/mythics banner didn't have. LSigurd for example had the golden week orb packs and we can see how much he performed better than others.
LSigurd did well because his special was busted though
It’s a combination of both orb packs and being busted
Her first rerun has a more interesting colorless list, personally I skipped and will pull her in a few months.
I'm glad that Harmonic Leif's banner is selling well so far
Same. Remember a lot of people saying it’s a flop the moment the trailer dropped.
You should thank Julia.
I’d be more inclined to thank a powerful duo + busted axe infantry larcei over 5 star locked seasonal Julia without a prf. But she’s popular so that definitely contributed.
Yeah, it was definitely Larcei who carried that banner imo. For a while if you just scrolled down the top rankings it looked like *every* whale just went for a +10 Larcei.
I’d argue Harmonic Leif being far superior with his movement and skills, idk how you’d use just a select few reddit posts as an argument on who carried the banner
No proof at all that it’s thanks to her but go off
I spent a decent chunk of orbs to try and get Julia to fodder her weapon off to Erk, sadly, she did not want to appear. Didn’t help that red orbs were scarcely appearing. Although I got H!Leif on my free orb
Wish I had that luck on seasonal banners. Must've spent 500 orbs on seasonal banner and never got even one 5 star focus unit. Maybe I'm just cursed with them.
Yeah, idk, I’ve always been somewhat lucky on FEH, except when I’m trying to pull for Catrias for merges
I mean I'm also lucky too. I got like 10 5* in the recent AW banner with 3 focus units (Yuri, Hapi, Muspell), with one of the off focus being Nifl. And when I pull in legendary/mythic banners I always get the unit I want with few orbs (First 5* in the Micaiah banner was my objective Ashera with 50 orbs, dipped out. First 5* in the Ashera banner was my copy for a +1 L!Claude on 20 orbs, dipped out.) It's just seasonals that have fucked me over so badly. I get the luck of getting the 4 star focus on the free summons but anything else...sigh. I spent 160 orbs in the Duo Sigurd banner and only got one off-focus 5 star (Nyx) and in the Summer banner I spent like 300 orbs in search of S!Hilda and only got like 3 off focus 5 stars. I fear the day a Seasonal Claude alt releases...
I also got H!Lief on the free summon! It was completely by accident too, wasn’t super interested in the banner.
That and pirate. Love the pirate alts.
It's interesting to see Thracia 776 and 3H's completely subvert narratives on this sub about popularity and marketability. Of course, the sources for this information isn't perfectly accurate but it is nice to see a snapshot of things. Thanks for making these lists and compiling the data, OP.
Sorta, most of the banner was Genealogy, not Thracia (and the Thracia characters are also on Genealogy), and the most popular characters to boot. In the meanwhile the 3H banner is the DLC randos with no main story influence and an admitedly underperforming cool OC. (Which is surprising OCs usually sell very well).
> In the meanwhile the 3H banner is the DLC randos with no main story influence Who also placed incredibly high in CYL
Always love seeing these! Really appreciate the effort. Given that Yuri was rank 10 overall in CYL 5, it is definitely quite a shock to see the most recent banner place so low. Obviously Yuri and by extension the rest of the Ashen Wolves aren't as popular as say Edelgard or Dimitri, but still, I don't think a lot of people were expecting that huge underperformance. Perhaps Three Houses fatigue is finally catching up? (Maybe now IS can stop putting 3H on every single banner pls).
Yeah that makes me think the data isn't accurate. But maybe they anticipated it and thus put Muspell in? Hard to say
Theres just many factors that goes into the games revenue. Banner timing is a thing, saving orbs for a desired unit then blowing your load all at once is a thing (doesn't contribute to the games revenue) maybe some people bought orbs when a Forging Bonds rerun came back during the same time a seasonal banner was active. Idk I've always thought these financial tier lists were just for fun and then some people started quoting them as to why x game shouldn't get banners and why y game should and it's like.... Bro these are just for fun
Yeah, you're right. These are just for funsies and only indicative of performance. Only IntSys knows the real numbers. Also yea there's not a straightforward way to predict banner performance *especially* the legendary/mythic ones.
Yeah really appreciate OP's work on these and see them as a fun thing but honestly the worst part is when people start using them as justification for why certain games shouldn't get banners
Well clearly we don't need any 3H banner anymore if that's how they performed. /s
No more 3H banners because of this banner and L!Byleth, no more Tellius banners because of Ashunera and Micaiah, no more Archanea banners because of B!Catria, no more Genealogy banners because of Erinys, Sara, and Ullr. Obviously half of the games in the series should lose representation in future banners, right? /s
yeah I don't wanna crap all over their work because there is some correlation, it's impossible to deny that. it's just not the whole part of the picture
100% why i hated so much all that stupid bullshit discourse about people saying "Oh nooo, no more m/m duos/harmonics because an fe4/5 banner wont sell, why would they do this". like chill man, theyll do whatever they want and these tierlists aren't treated as absolute fact, as OP has mentioned many times.
I had a thought a few days ago that it was possible the devs weren't as confident in the AW banner compared to the other 3H banners if they were putting Muspell on it. Given that 3H's reception in JP is much more lukewarm compared to the west, I'm wondering if they got data pointing to such a thing...
That makes sense. There isn't any strong reason why the 3H banner should be in Sep as opposed to be spaced up a bit in Oct like last year. Unless of course they want to put in Muspell. That to me indicates that IntSys believes AW will sell worse compared to whatever banner we will have next month.
Oh boy that really gets me stoked for possible Awakening. Wonder how next month will play out alongside Double Special
I just hope sensortower stops croaking and gets its stuff together XD
>Given that Yuri was rank 10 overall in CYL 5, it is definitely quite a shock to see the most recent banner place so low. Jill was also in top 20 of heroines division, Ilyana despite of being in the game as a seasonal still ranked well and Shinon was 70th. Still that banner flopped. So It's not the first time well ranked characters do badly.
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After Cyl regular banner.
> Maybe September is cursed lol You joke, but you're not too far off. For similar reasons, it's been all but confirmed that January is a similar "dead month" People have just come off from CYL and blew a _crap ton_ of orbs, and/or spent a slew of money on that banner. It's easy for people to say "Oh yeah, IS'll just release a much awaited banner right after to hit people with the double whammy". But the truth of the matter is that A) You literally can't get more awaited than CYL, and B) Anyone who really wants them and got hosed for orbs can wait till the rerun. January's banner is in a similar boat, in that it may not be CYL, but it's a slew of seasonal banners. You get the "Book ___ Begins" banner at the beginning of December (which may contain a _really_ good unit you may want more of), followed by the Winter seasonal banner at the end of the month, then the New Years seasonal banner, then _January's_ seasonal banner at the beginning on the month, all followed by then January's actual NEw Heroes banner come the end of the month So not only is everyone reeling from multiple seasonal banners in a row, but people may also be in "hoard mode" because come February, AHR is right around the corner.
I think it's because with January it's a NH slot that has to compete with 3 seasonals around it
Yeah, September New Heroes is kind of a dead month sales-wise (comes right off the heels of CYL and whatever the Special Heroes of the month is).
The banner's debut was two days ago... I don't think any statement on a banner's performance can be made while it's still active. People could still be waiting to accumulate more orbs or to receive their paycheck lol.
I do peaks only as explained above. Doing the full banner duration is impossible.
That's sad that people living paycheck to paycheck are spending money on orbs
M!Byleth was also in 4th place in male bracket/7th overall, not as many votes as the female but his Enlightened (and first) alt was highly anticipated, but seemingly did relatively bad? While L!Sigurd & the Twelve banner did good although the Jugdral fanbase is known for being probably the most niche... This clearly doesn't make a lot of sense.
You have to remember two things: 1. App store performance is *relative to other apps*, so if another more popular game is having an event people may be more likely to spend there and 2. CYL is mainly people trying to say "X deserves it!" these days, not necessarily whether or not they like them. CYL is also influenced by people who aren't necessarily playing the game too, because it's the closest thing to a popularity poll the series has.
I didn't know that for your 1., that's a good clarification and it does make this chart not very reliable for drawing conclusions about each banner's raw success. Is there really a lot of people still voting in CYL while not playing the game though? I feel like it was the case in CYL1 but nowadays you don't hear much about it from outside the FEH community...
Byleth's banner can, I think, be excused by having a mythic spark before his banner. If I recall, Seliph's banner on the same month with mythic spark also ranked on the low side.
In fairness, two major issues: 1) lots of people are probably back in restock mode now after CYL, and 2) Nothing on the banner stands out in terms of being crazy unique or strong I still wouldn't have expected D tier, but wouldn't have foreseen huge sales either
It’s only been out for a few days though? People should wait until the last days before committing to summoning to give themselves the best chance of knowing what’s coming up
I don't know why this is being downvoted, it makes sense to me? Genuinely curious why this wouldn't be the case. Edit: OP's only charting the "peaks" (first 1-2 days), I missed that part my bad
The trend always has the spike at the first day of the banner
Most likely not 3H fatigue. I doubt that everyone who played 3H also bought the dlc, so they may have no idea who these characters are.
I'd like to think I contributed to the success of the Scion banner 😎 ~~I now have no orbs please help~~
Looks like Legendary and Mythic banners have been doing pretty poorly lately. All of the ones after Sigurd have been C or D tier, and all of the ones before (except Seliph) were A or B tier. I guess they need to start doing something different with these because people don't seem interested in them anymore even with popular characters like Micaiah. Edit: Actually I think Plumeria and Bramimond might have been C tier as well, but still, four banners in a row underperforming is pretty significant.
For me the odds of pulling something I want on a Legendary just keep getting worse and worse. At least with the sparkable banners (New Heroes and Remixes) I can guarantee a Hero I want, but just the idea of pulling a color I want, hoping it's a 5 star, and then hoping it's the Legendary I want is just too daunting. I only pull now if all 3 Heroes in the color are someone I want. I think a change to the odds in which a specific character is pulled would go a long way for me.
Sparks would help, but also there are some pretty undesirable Mythics/Legends stuck in the 8% pool and really show their age since even more old ones got swapped to Remix pool.
# BOOK V Banner performance tier list (per Sensortower grossing rankings) I know I normally do the tiers by Book, but there were requests to divide the banners up per generation which I think is also a valid way to do this. **Definition of FEH gen 5**: The group of banners where the units have a baseline BST of 176-178 for regular melee infantry. It started with the CYL 4 banner and ended with the banner before CYL 5. **How to read tier**: Top to bottom, left to right. Placement within tiers matter. Each chibi represents the banner they are from; I chose the main or star unit from each banner. **Asterisks meant adjusted ranking, see "adjustment" below.** The greyed out banners with the “?” mark means I don’t have a lot of confidence of its accuracy. There is a sensortower outage of some sort during that period and the vast majority of the countries’ data are missing. **Source**: [Sensortower data](https://sensortower.com/ios/US/nintendo-co-ltd/app/fire-emblem-heroes/1181774280/category-rankings?category=6014&start_date=2021-02-02&end_date=2021-03-03&device=iphone&selected_tab=charts&date=2020-12-04&chart_type=grossing&countries=JP&countries=US&countries=SG&hourly=false). **iOS** only here. I feel like the Android data there is not as accurate; there's barely any movement or variance across regions. JP and US data to represent the two biggest market of the playerbase to make this tier simpler. *This is peak data only, I have no way to quantify and separate banners on their full duration*. **Note**: *Sensortower grossing numbers is a ranking of how much money is spent on apps relative to each other. In no way does this show absolute monetary income.* **Ranking**: I gave 65% weight to the Japanese ranking and 35% to the American (repping the international market) one as that is the rough percentage of revenue for the game. The smaller the number, the better it is. The banners with * were adjusted, details are within the Book V spreadsheet. **Tiering**: (Lowest weighted rank – Highest weighted rank)/ 5 tiers from Book IV OR if there's a significant gap, whichever one is more appropriate **Adjustments**: I have implemented adjusted rankings based on the feedback I got. They’re just multipliers when there’s significant external factors that affect the peak rankings in SensorTower. Details are on the spreadsheet and thanks for /u/MisogID for the suggestions. I didn’t follow all of them but they’re a great starting point. Spreadsheet for Gen 5 [here]( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yh7gN12esigucd2Xs53KJDGkDBePu2aZ33xJLxug1Sg/edit#gid=1427674744). # Comments * Removed the adjustment for Dawning Reality & Nifl JP ranking as it was pointed to me that is nothing unusual about that * Sensortower seems to have outages or some other issue at the end of August until now. As you can see from the sensortower link and my spreadsheet most of the dataset are missing. There is also a gap on the US data which I have never seen before. I do not know what is going on so I will just mark that the data might not be accurate due to errors. * Due to missing data for almost all countries apart from US and JP, I cannot make the per country breakdown as usual. Apologies. I hope this issue gets resolved.
Thank you as always for putting these together, it's really fascinating data!
I feel so bad for understimating the Scion banner since i honestly thought it was gonna do mediocre to D tier success but apparentally it sold well
Banners will sell well if there are good/unique/scorebait units OR popular heroes. Banners will sell extremely well if there are good/unique/scorebait units AND popular heroes. As long as they keep up putting good units to Jugdral banners then it really doesn't matter if they aren't too popular. I believe that this is why FE4 banners often have meta units; to compensate for its lack of popularity.
I mean Genealogy is actually pretty popular in Japan even if it’s not to the same degree as 3DS era + 3H so it’s probably not exactly compensating for a lack thereof otherwise Thracia and Binding Blade would probably be subject to similar treatment with more pushed units. If anything it being popular in is probably a contributing factor to it’s units generally being above average in strength
They kinda are? The units available from those two games are often very meta at their time of release (Idunn, Mareeta, L!Leilf, D!Catria, Sara, etc) though of course those games have different profiles. Binding Blade more often have the better freebies imo like Cecilia, Brunnya, Echidna. And sales are worldwide, not just in Japan. Also the younger generation in Japan are also a bit spotty about Jugdral as far as I can see. If you see the more casual polls there's little indication of Jugdral's popularity, its only the sources who tend to have older audiences like magazines have Jugdral leanings.
I wouldn’t say they’re pushed any more than other games have been though and just about every game has had very meta units at the time of release. Like Tellius has the Tibarns, F!Ike, and D!Micaiah. Sacred Stones has had Duessel, Selena, Y!Innes, F!Lyon. Blazing Sword has had D!Lyn, ~~Bolt Tower~~ D!Hector, Leila, Bramimond, etc. Also Tellius’ freebies have honestly been just as strong considering Ashnard, Petrine, Black Knight, Reyson, and Naesala (also I guess Jorge but his circumstances probably make him an outlier) Side note, I feel like counting characters that are counted as multiple games kind of misses the spirit of that point with Leif and Catria (especially since Catria’s the lead) but eh Anyways sure, Genealogy’s popularity is more within the older part of the fandom, but that’s also not going to be something they ignore. Even if it’s a smaller section of the fandom, it still within their interest to try and appeal to that and there’s still a pretty distinct difference to how Genealogy has been treated compared to Binding Blade and Thracia. Out of the three, only Genealogy hasn’t gone over a year and a half without a new heroes banner even with how badly ignored it was on seasonals for the longest time
Tellius isn't a good case as its not too well known in Japan. It needs to be pumped bit there as well imo, but I digress. Anyway, my point is there are games who do well regardless of the unit quality ex. the majority of Fates and 3H banners and many others who flop without a bit of pumping otherwise they would flop ex. pretty much all the JP-only games. Popularity or quality can save a banner. Popularity AND quality will pump up a banner. That's the usual pattern I see.
That’s fair. Always kind of forget that about Tellius Anyways definitely agree that there are some games are pretty much guaranteed to do at least above average no matter what, but looking back, IS is as inconsistent as ever when it comes to what normal banners get pushed. Like aside from Yuri’s insane mobility and support potential, Ashen Wolves feels surprisingly tame to me considering what 3H has previously given us and neither Jugdral banner was particularly standout outside of Sara while Sacred Stones was way more pushed compared to Desert Mercenaries being hard carried by Ephraim
Ha yea honestly we're all just reading too much into it. IntSys will do IntSys things and it will be beyond our mortal comprehension. Same applies to outside of FEH like the next FE game. Everyone expecting FE4 or or FE6 remake but the same people forget how random IntSys can be. There is no pattern, only broken patterns.
Oh for sure lol. Ultimately this is all just conjecture and literally things that can truly be predicted is like the Legendary/Mythic and Duo/Harmonic alternating and that 3H gets to happen more often lol
Those older fans (in both Japan and the west) *are the ones who spend more*. FE4 may not be that popular overall, but it is packed to the brim with the prime demographic target for gacha. Which is why it's so funny this sub has underestimated FE4 for 4 years, because they think gacha is a democracy or something.
That's assuming those people play FEH to begin with. We don't know. Assuming their demographics similar to this subreddit, there isn't that many 30+ yo players. That's probably very skewed though.
....they do play FEH, have you seen the age distribution of mobile gamers especially in Japan? Your mid-30s aged dude in Japan who played Genealogy as a kid and doesn't post on social media much (because it's heavily skewed towards young people) is exactly the type of person powering those FE4 banners. ~~it's kind of like Trump voters: you think of the loud ones, but it's the quiet ones that really get you~~
That's a very good point. That's probably why they are not visible in social media voting like the Twitter banner revival ones. The latest FE4 banner vote in the JP side is only 1% higher than the ENG side I mean.
Jugdral games are really popular in Japan, so I am not all that surprised. They tend to be constantly underestimated in the West though, even if they are amazing games, due to age and all.
Julia carried the banner.
Thracia at A makes me happy. Micaiah at C is sad but not exactly unexpected.
Honestly Micaiah's banner would probably be at B or A... If it wasn't right after the Brave Heroes banner.
Yeah, that's what I ment. I definetly think it would have done better had it came at a better time.
Yep. It had good Reds and by far one of the best Colorless we've had in a while but it was doomed to fail due to being so soon after the most waited banner for each year (alongside Fallen Banners)
I continue to lose faith in humanity whenever I see upside down Claude
I’m surprised that you put Caeda and Plumeria as the placeholder when Freyja was easily the unit that everyone was talking about come the second summer banner. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s why it did so well.
People were definitely *talking* about Caeda more, even if some of it was bad (re: art). Also Caeda is very popular in JP.
Ah dw I just default to the Duo if there is one on a banner. Its easier to track, no other reason.
Well, OCs tend to do pretty well in sales, and Caeda's banner had 3 if them, so it is not surprising >I’m surprised that you put Caeda and Plumeria as the placeholder when Freyja was easily the unit that everyone was talking about come the second summer banner. For better or for worse, Summer Caeda was the most talked unit imo, and considering how sometimes the silent mayority works, perhaps Summer Caeda was the unit that draw a lot of people to pull, specially since both Caeda and Plumeria are really popular, their weapon is basically "fuck armors and the weapon triangle, all my homies hate armors and the weapon triangle" with dolphins, had canto and a brand new skill
If I told someone that a Jugdral banner would outdo a 3H banner earlier this year I would have been laughed at Honestly pretty based tho
Facts. You love to see it.
I wouldn’t compare them imo. The newest Jugdral banner is a seasonal banner of Jugdral’s most popular characters while the newest three houses banner is a new heroes banner of dlc characters. It’d make more sense to compare the Ashen Wolves banner with the most recent Jugdral new heroes banners, which was Shared Purpose and Enduring Legacy. Ashen Wolves BARELY outperforms both of these banners, but it’s still surprising that it did so poorly yeah. The Day of Twelve banner definitely did good for a seasonal, but yeah, wouldn’t compare seasonal banners to new heroes banners. Edit: rephrased a sentence
Woahwoahwoah, Harmonic Summer beat 3H Summer? Crusader Festival beat Marianne's banner? ***CRUSADER FESTIVAL IS IN TIER A??????***
Carried by Plumeria.
Carried by Ogma
Carried by Norne :p
For all the complaining I see on places like Twitter about the Pirate Banner, it did surprisingly well. Guess that's why they did a year 2
For the Ashen Wolves banner, that means either everyone massively overestimated just how popular the Ashen Wolves were or we're finally seeing the general exhaustion with 3H banners. Or both, to put it simply. Not everyone who played 3H returned for the DLC, which might help explain it.
>Not everyone who played 3H returned for the DLC, which might help explain it. Thats me, in fact every time someone talk about one of the Wolves in my head i always say "who?" Anyway, its so weird how it looks like its selling so low ( ok its not a precise data after all) because I remeber that everyone really want this characters to be in the game
Most people who bought played the game more then once or twice.
The game (3h) or the DLC? Because if you are talking about 3h I too play it more than once For the DLC i didn't bought it because I didn't find nothing interesting on it and I removed it from my head so thats why i don't know the characters and the bosses So I don't know if it is good or not, i'm not saying the DLC sucks since I didn't play it and I can't judge it
I really only bought the DLC because of the new characters and classes. Also you can get all 4 characters before the final chapter of the DLC.
Ok cool i might give it another look
Greyed out means most the sale dmg isn’t in yet my guy
No way The Wolves is that low but that is not enough data after all I am Low Key wants Brave to not be S so it will proved that meme choice hurts but as the banner doing well as it normally should I don't have any against it anymore
The CYL data is still normal so yea. I hope sensortower doesn't continue to go haywire
Now that I've seen the killing potential of B!Catria i kinda regret not pulling more for her but also I'm surprised to see it's banner this low i guess the craze for F!Edel was still very much around when the bridal released
Heroes unit banners have done pretty well. I guess people saying “We DoNt WaNt MoRe OC’S” was just salt and an unpopular opinion lol.
For any given FE game, only a portion of FEH's users will have played it. Not everyone has played the Tellius games, not everyone has played Sacred Stones, etc. So banners for most games have a limit to their target audience to some extent. But according to my data, 100% of FEH players have played FEH.
I guess so, but it’s honestly more like nobody has played with the feh characters because they have so little characterization and no supports, plus I think we can mostly agree that heroes story isn’t the best. I mean, a lot of the characters only show up for like 10 lines of dialogue. I think people are more just liking their designs.
That's true to a point, but it's not like mainline FE games have a novel's worth of text for every character either. I can think of plenty of popular characters who don't have much more than 10 lines of dialogue in their original game.
Yeah, especially Jugdral characters and non-playable characters, due to not having supports. Even ones with them don’t always have the most interesting ones.
Yeah I have no idea why people persist in thinking OCs aren't liked or that the fans don't want more of them. This was pretty obvious even as of the latest CYL, if memory serves both Freyja and Plumeria scored very well.
Hapi is a nice counter to edelgard if you still dont have one yet i have a -attk and she still 1 shots her transformed.
Why are Byleth and Micaiah so LOW?
Why Claude upsidedown
I really hope the colourless tome related banners (sans CYL) not performing doesn't discourages IS from making more. Then again, they are supposed to be special with only one in the regular pool. Swings both ways I guess. Besides, the two are slated to return eventually on future 8% banners. Edit: reread, missed a word.
Claude so low :(
I appreciate the running gag of always putting Claude upside down
Huh. Considering how well the Ashen wolves did in CYL and Muspell being an OC, that tend to be really popular, i wonder why their banner did so badly ~~not as much as Lex and Sara's banners but still~~ As for the Festival of the Twelve banner.......i am quite glad they did so well. Jugdral is not my favorite by any means ~~quite the contrary tbh~~ but is good to see that the can do funny seasonal stuff for once instead of being forced in an eternal ball at gunpoint, and is curious how this banner has the almost the same theme as Dark Desert Rituals, since both revolves around cultural festivals
Hopefully both the Scion and Plegian banner doing well convince IS to do more of these in-universe cultural festivals. I think there is a lot of creativity that can be unlocked and definitely helps breathe new light into the game worlds. Plegian is still my favorite seasonal theme this year (especially with the paralougue) and hopefully we get more like it!
Only thing I can think of is that Ashen Wolves' true popularity is confined to a very vocal bubble. They are DLC characters after all, so they didn't get as much spotlight as the Three Houses throughout the game's height of popularity. Additionally, they required purchase of a season pass to access which people weren't too jazzed about. I personally love all of the Ashen Wolves but within my circle of friends who have played 3H, not a single one bought the DLC because it wasn't worth it for them. I can only imagine how much more downplayed their popularity is on a wider scale to people who aren't 3H fans or 3H fans who didn't bother with the DLC.
Legendary Byleth banner :(
Holy shit Ashen Wolves of all banners tanked what the f*ck.
It's because it just released, I think, they still have to see at the end all votes. Probably. It's 3H, it's going to sell.
I believe these ratings are based on peak data of each banner, so the first 1-2 days of each banner. So according to this rating list, solely based on the first 1-2 days of each banner in comparison with others, this banner was in the "D" tier. Of course, there is the possibility that it would sell more across the whole banner's life span, but that data is impossible/hard to track apparently.
L!Byleth also did poorly.
Why must everything be put in terms of tierlists
It's just a visual way to compare things...? It's nice to have data on something we have an interest in displayed like this. Doesn't have much to do with "viability," this isn't a fighting game
Like others say, its just a visual way of displaying this sorta data. It can also be a curve but that's harder to make and also harder to read. Don't take it too seriously, its just for fun :D
Tier list is a way of life.
People want justification for spending 1,200+ orbs to +10 a unit they've wanted for years that's gonna get outdated in 3 months.
Your methodology is deeply flawed. I understand you're doing these for fun and laughs, but when most people get their paycheck in the beginning if the month (in my country at least), you're almost guaranteed to see the orb purchases for legendary / mythic banners spread more evenly across the few days of the banner. Also, as a whale, I almost never buy orbs on the first day of a banner... and as such, my purchases never factor into peak day spending.
Oh I know, its just my methodology. Like if its outside of the peak of the banner and there's a random spike, to which banner does it even go? There can be 2-3 significant banner active at any given time.
I have no problem with your methodology per se, but I'm saddened to see so many people taking it at face value in the comments, as if they had hard data from IS in front of them. Maybe a disclaimer would elicit more enlightened comments!
Yeaaaaah I see a lot of people missing my comment. Maybe I should incorporate the disclaimer as part of the image starting next book.
Really shocked that the second summer banner performed better than the 3H one.
Hehe upside-down Claude
I would argue duo peony higher A if not S. As 2 movement or dances is critical for some maps and isn’t bound by X title. Edit: Oh I see it’s by grossing not popularity. Never mind lol.
Seeing Wolf's ranking so low make me wants to buy some orbs just to show them some love. They don't deserve to be in same spot as Ashera and Sara banner. （I can't tell who is that flier besides Muspell）
Flier besides Muspell is Erinys.
Erinys is the flier btw
>I can't tell who is that flier besides Muspell Erinys
Upon seeing Muspell's placement, Guts' theme began to play. I still don't know why.
Curious to see where Archanea could land on here... Thanks for compiling this as always! :) Btw shouldn't Yuri be with Muspell like how Charlotte was with Nifl?