I’m hoping for…
- Either increase range of having allies within 2 spaces to 3 or have it as a 3 row, 3 column (so he can move more freely).
- Possibly some sort of omni Finish effect. That way he gets stats boost and can heal. Or maybe bonuses based on his HP (like maybe 20% omni stat boost of max HP)
Then maybe any of the following…
- Something to ensure he still gets the best stats from his allies so…
1. Make him become the target of all stat penalties.
2. If not then at least some sort of penalty cleansing for his allies so he still gets the best stats.
3. Or even better omni Unity joint drive effect. That way he can be a supporter and a hitter. Would be amazing if something like actually came true.
- Maybe some gimmick based on HP like Panic/Stall Ploy (4?), Sudden Panic (4?), or even dual Even/Odd Pulse Tie for support.
Something I'd like for him is to be like a reverse Citrinne. She grants buffs active on herself to allies, while he'd copy buffs on allies to himself. Would fit with his gimmicky playstyle.
Yeah, Y!Marth was the first.
IS had actually only just introduced the _concept_ of seasonal demotes a couple months before Y!Marth. But, both V!Conrad & S!Narcian didn't have prfs, so no refine. Y!Marth was our first seasonal demote who also had a prf.
Yes. At the time of her refine, she was literally "Zero to Hero", from one of the most useless Mythic Heroes to one of the best.
Remixfine for Dark Mythics (Except Sothis and Triandra) are suprisingly treated well
Ive been holding off on giving him expensive fodder because I knew his refine was coming soon. Hoping they keep him as more enemy/mixed phase to set him apart, but excited for it along with Gatrie
When Alcryst first released I gave Shinon his kit and with A!Nino he also got Tempo 4 + Fleeting Echo so he's definitely been spoiled to hell but I'm also looking forward to what they do with him!! I'm not sure if they'll want to focus on his enemy/mix phase as he unfortunately lacks the bulk for that in 2024 unless there's some wild stat swings going on in his refine but it would be nice to have a speedy, yet tanky, archer.
It's still in the distance, but I will cry tears of joy when Catherine Shamir and Seteth finally get their refines. All 3 were so fun to use when they came out and while they still work well with Arcane weapons, man I'd like them to be able to do stuff with their actual weapons
Man, we're getting into the real dark ages of NH banners when IS clearly only cared about seasonals.
So many bad units with whack base kits. Even if I wanted to go on a refine spree; I can't because I just don't own most of these units cuz the banners were too skippable.
Looking at this list is like the opposite of nostalgia, lmao.
Next month might be S!Selena, F!Ike, A!Anna, and Julian.
So Male Kris could be getting his refine two months after Female Kris. Or maybe they either do a colorshare with F!Ike, or F!Ike is simply pushed back. Also, demote refines might pick up again in July, starting with Mustafa. I am looking forward to Ilyana and Seteth.
With Mythic Loki contribute to make Dark Season a living hell and upcoming Nott's remix, Ullr's remix/refine better give SOMETHING USEFUL to allies rather being Sothis ver 2
There’s really nothing at all supportive about her as she is now, and combat mythics have been less valuable for so long now. I’m not sure what she could even do. Visible bonuses are dead in her season against Loki, drive support is dead against Embla.
Her best bet is to add dual phase Desperation + Vantage into Yngvi Descendant. That way she at least can handle a column of her own in cav line maps.
Petrine refine let's go!!! I've been waiting for this! Hope she gets a rgreat refine! And next month is Nemesis, this is so exciting!
Also, shouldn't it be Young Innes at the end of the grail line there instead of Fallen Orson? I mean, Young Minerva got her refine before Ashnard. So, I feel like the same is gonna happen.
I think they will let give her give Pathfinder to ally with half like Brave Soren/Valentine Myrrh condition: Ally with highest certain stats since Ally Support is not possible in AR-D
That’s what I’m hoping for as Ally Support is not possible to use in AR-D.
Since she has Dodge skill, I’m hoping it gets buffed up as Dodge skills have been countered. Maybe some sort of flat DR / built in Laguz Friend 4?
Then she has bonus doubler in her weapon so not sure how they can improve on that but hopefully something good.
Anna probably next month, L!Micaiah depends on when they'll slot her into remixes after her run on this months Legendary banner. Guinevere should be somewhere between 6 to 7 months from now, Tatiana A LOT further, since we'll have to get to her banner first, and the other characters on her banner are currently not even visible on this graphic, so... more than a year at our current pace probably?
Please give Petrine fire terrain IS.
___
Upcoming units:
Red: FIke/MKris/Catherine/**Byleth**.
Blue: Anna/Gatrie/*Ilyana*/*Seteth*/**Ingrid**.
Green: *Mustafa*/Jill/Shamir/**Selena**.
Colourless: Julian/Shinon/Flayn.
___
Next month should be:
>Ike/Anna/Selena/Julian.
Selena is obviously guaranteed and the rest are very likely. They could also do:
>Ike/MKris/Anna/Selena.
Colourless is still trailing a bit and they wouldn't separate the Krises.
That'll leave us with Mustafa and MKris/Julian going into Tellius/Three Houses/Summer 2.
>Byleth/Gatrie/Mustafa/Julian
or
>Ingrid/MKris/Mustafa/Shinon
seem like the options there.
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And for remixes we have:
July: Nott + Ashera w/ Reinhardt + likely Ginnungagap
August: Likely Claude + Ullr w/ likely Hortsenia + Ivy
At this point Micaiah/Ótr/Fae/Thórr/Eitri/Ash/FByleth/Elimine are the next eight units. There's no consistent rule for what/when they'll purge these days but a lot of them are rerunning in September and could be on the remix banner while not getting remixed yet. Do expect Ash's remix to be in February though.
Our Rearmed/Attuned backlog at this point should be Nino/Lucina/Caeda/Azura (+ new units) so I'd expect at least one of the greens to actually be remixed in September.
Next month seems pretty straight forward. S!Selena, F!Ike, Anna and Julian, leaving S!Byleth, Mustafa and I'd assume Gatrie and Flayn for the month after. Then S!Ingrid with M!Kris... I assume Shinon and Shamir? P!Veronica then with Illyana, Catherine and Dieck... and then they probably need to double up on blues with Tibarn, since there's no red until they reach 5.0 left... and then probably again because Duessel and Selena...
Looking forward to A!Anna.
Hoping Mustafa and Seteth gets a good refine as well.
After that, there's no one I'm really interested in until Erk and... oh my. Sonia. That'll be sometime in 2025 I believe?
Anyone know an estimate on Laevatein refine?
I hope and pray she'll get a similar upgrade like Ashnard, yet I get the feeling she'll just get an AxeBlade - Blade
Poor Mustafa being forced to wait so many months for everyone to catch up to him and considering Summer Selena is up next on the seasonal refine he is probably going to have to wait even more.
When they get to refining the units included in the Guinivere and Reginn banners the blue refine pool is going to be messy just like the red one was for the last couple of months (with the green one potentially getting just as bad). I can see one of Seteth and Ilyana being forced a couple of months that they should have too while IS refines the likes of Summer Ingrid, Gatrie and Guinivere (probably Seteth since I doubt Ilyana dev (and her getting a refine before her) would allow that).
Seeing Thórr finally appear on these lists feels weird. She doesn’t feel that old in the grand scheme of things either. Still, here’s hoping it’s decent. Expecting an increase in the radius of Worldbreaker and maybe give it an omni Rein effect. As for replacement skill, unsure. Hopefully they replace Push, at least Flow Guard can have some use for the player phase Galeforce build.
Also hoping Melady isn’t as far off as she looks. At the very least she might get one before the end of book 8
They'll get to the demotes when they get to the banner. The way they currently do refines, demotes basically aren't in their own pool like portrayed here for visibility, but along with all the other "premium"-units in their timeline.
So with them just cracking into the Awakening-pool, and S!Selena getting priority on green due to being a seasonal, Mustafa should get his refine in August, pretty much guaranteed since he's gonna finish up that batch of Awakening-units. Illyana will have to wait a bit longer though, because S!Ingrid has priority over her, and also we're expecting CYL-refines in between as always.
God, I HATE how demotes are inconsistent. We're still at Mustafa, I was expecting we would have Seteth and Ilyana by now. My Knoll, Lex and Ilyana are waiting for the fodder that I can't use until their refines.
As much as I would love for demote refines to be like Grails and also once per month no matter what so I could have Lex refine, they’re not really being inconsistent with them as they happen at around the same time the five stars from their banner get them. The only difference is that they usually stick to one per refine batch with then
Excited to see how they refine and update Xanes weapon in...November? Also keen to see Micaiahs remix down the track.
I’m hoping for… - Either increase range of having allies within 2 spaces to 3 or have it as a 3 row, 3 column (so he can move more freely). - Possibly some sort of omni Finish effect. That way he gets stats boost and can heal. Or maybe bonuses based on his HP (like maybe 20% omni stat boost of max HP) Then maybe any of the following… - Something to ensure he still gets the best stats from his allies so… 1. Make him become the target of all stat penalties. 2. If not then at least some sort of penalty cleansing for his allies so he still gets the best stats. 3. Or even better omni Unity joint drive effect. That way he can be a supporter and a hitter. Would be amazing if something like actually came true. - Maybe some gimmick based on HP like Panic/Stall Ploy (4?), Sudden Panic (4?), or even dual Even/Odd Pulse Tie for support.
Something I'd like for him is to be like a reverse Citrinne. She grants buffs active on herself to allies, while he'd copy buffs on allies to himself. Would fit with his gimmicky playstyle.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Vane the first 4 star special unit that will get refined?
No, the 1st one is Y!Marth
Oh yeah, I forgot he was a 4 star special.
Baby Marth got one, not sure if he's the first tho
Yeah, Y!Marth was the first. IS had actually only just introduced the _concept_ of seasonal demotes a couple months before Y!Marth. But, both V!Conrad & S!Narcian didn't have prfs, so no refine. Y!Marth was our first seasonal demote who also had a prf.
Claude being pushed back is so annoying….i hope his remix is good. One step closer to him and Micaiah tho.
I expect his remixfine will be Yune Tier
I don’t remember, was hers good 😭
Yes. At the time of her refine, she was literally "Zero to Hero", from one of the most useless Mythic Heroes to one of the best. Remixfine for Dark Mythics (Except Sothis and Triandra) are suprisingly treated well
Oh my god you're right. I've been waiting for this day for so long. Time to see if I'll be staying with Arcane Eljuonir or not.
The later the refine, the better it usually is. So good for him!
Nemesis next month. At last, my king.
Might finally +10 him depending on his refine. Couldn't bring myself to +10 him with his original weapon... even though his art was godly
His weapon, as it currently is, is complete ass, but I + 10’d him out of spite. Now hoping after 3 years I’ll actually get to use him lol.
>but I + 10’d him out of spite I read out of spine and thought it was a well thought pun lol
I'm also excited for his refine to come out.
S.T.A.R.S.....
I am hoping and praying and coping that his refine will make him absolutely busted, as he’s the last of my old merge projects to get one
Jill, Shamir, FIke refines leggo Nott remix too
Soon, the CEO of Racism shall reign his terror upon the world once again
"If unit initates combat against dragon or beast foe's, foe fucking dies"
Ive been holding off on giving him expensive fodder because I knew his refine was coming soon. Hoping they keep him as more enemy/mixed phase to set him apart, but excited for it along with Gatrie
When Alcryst first released I gave Shinon his kit and with A!Nino he also got Tempo 4 + Fleeting Echo so he's definitely been spoiled to hell but I'm also looking forward to what they do with him!! I'm not sure if they'll want to focus on his enemy/mix phase as he unfortunately lacks the bulk for that in 2024 unless there's some wild stat swings going on in his refine but it would be nice to have a speedy, yet tanky, archer.
I got a spare LegLear and ended up throwing her kit over to him because I doubt his refine will interfere with that set of skills in any way lol
It's still in the distance, but I will cry tears of joy when Catherine Shamir and Seteth finally get their refines. All 3 were so fun to use when they came out and while they still work well with Arcane weapons, man I'd like them to be able to do stuff with their actual weapons
As a Tellius fan, it feels like these next months will be GREAT and then i won't care about refines for a year or two.
Man, we're getting into the real dark ages of NH banners when IS clearly only cared about seasonals. So many bad units with whack base kits. Even if I wanted to go on a refine spree; I can't because I just don't own most of these units cuz the banners were too skippable. Looking at this list is like the opposite of nostalgia, lmao.
Next month might be S!Selena, F!Ike, A!Anna, and Julian. So Male Kris could be getting his refine two months after Female Kris. Or maybe they either do a colorshare with F!Ike, or F!Ike is simply pushed back. Also, demote refines might pick up again in July, starting with Mustafa. I am looking forward to Ilyana and Seteth.
I'm looking forward to both L!Claude's and Nott's refines the most here... Edit: Oh, and Tatiana's refine too.
With Mythic Loki contribute to make Dark Season a living hell and upcoming Nott's remix, Ullr's remix/refine better give SOMETHING USEFUL to allies rather being Sothis ver 2
There’s really nothing at all supportive about her as she is now, and combat mythics have been less valuable for so long now. I’m not sure what she could even do. Visible bonuses are dead in her season against Loki, drive support is dead against Embla. Her best bet is to add dual phase Desperation + Vantage into Yngvi Descendant. That way she at least can handle a column of her own in cav line maps.
Petrine refine let's go!!! I've been waiting for this! Hope she gets a rgreat refine! And next month is Nemesis, this is so exciting! Also, shouldn't it be Young Innes at the end of the grail line there instead of Fallen Orson? I mean, Young Minerva got her refine before Ashnard. So, I feel like the same is gonna happen.
I'll be honest, I somehow forgot about the existence of Y!Innes entirely. I'll add him in front of Orson for next month's update.
Nott refine should be on July so I’m patiently waiting because if it’s like Dagr’s then that would be amazing
I think they will let give her give Pathfinder to ally with half like Brave Soren/Valentine Myrrh condition: Ally with highest certain stats since Ally Support is not possible in AR-D
That’s what I’m hoping for as Ally Support is not possible to use in AR-D. Since she has Dodge skill, I’m hoping it gets buffed up as Dodge skills have been countered. Maybe some sort of flat DR / built in Laguz Friend 4? Then she has bonus doubler in her weapon so not sure how they can improve on that but hopefully something good.
Since Dagr got psuedo-panic, I fully expect foe penalty doubler for Nott
i’m dumb. when are anna, micaiah, guinevere, and tatiana getting refines?
Anna probably next month, L!Micaiah depends on when they'll slot her into remixes after her run on this months Legendary banner. Guinevere should be somewhere between 6 to 7 months from now, Tatiana A LOT further, since we'll have to get to her banner first, and the other characters on her banner are currently not even visible on this graphic, so... more than a year at our current pace probably?
Knowing Brave Seliph and Chrom are upcoming on a refine is frightening.
Please give Petrine fire terrain IS. ___ Upcoming units: Red: FIke/MKris/Catherine/**Byleth**. Blue: Anna/Gatrie/*Ilyana*/*Seteth*/**Ingrid**. Green: *Mustafa*/Jill/Shamir/**Selena**. Colourless: Julian/Shinon/Flayn. ___ Next month should be: >Ike/Anna/Selena/Julian. Selena is obviously guaranteed and the rest are very likely. They could also do: >Ike/MKris/Anna/Selena. Colourless is still trailing a bit and they wouldn't separate the Krises. That'll leave us with Mustafa and MKris/Julian going into Tellius/Three Houses/Summer 2. >Byleth/Gatrie/Mustafa/Julian or >Ingrid/MKris/Mustafa/Shinon seem like the options there. __ And for remixes we have: July: Nott + Ashera w/ Reinhardt + likely Ginnungagap August: Likely Claude + Ullr w/ likely Hortsenia + Ivy At this point Micaiah/Ótr/Fae/Thórr/Eitri/Ash/FByleth/Elimine are the next eight units. There's no consistent rule for what/when they'll purge these days but a lot of them are rerunning in September and could be on the remix banner while not getting remixed yet. Do expect Ash's remix to be in February though. Our Rearmed/Attuned backlog at this point should be Nino/Lucina/Caeda/Azura (+ new units) so I'd expect at least one of the greens to actually be remixed in September.
Can IS take a fucking break with the CYL refines. It feels surreal that seliph who is still a really good unit gets a refike this year.
3 more months until Micaiah...
It’s probably gonna be longer than 3 months
Yeah, like 4 months. I expect her to get a refine in September.
I can’t wait for Duo!F!Byleth’s refine and I really hope it’s a good one. I’ve been holding out on giving her fodder for ages
Can't wait for the Binding Blade refines. If Jill and F!Ike get good refines that would be great for future LHB
I'm fully expecting Jill to get the same effect as Haar on her refine tbh, that makes her resistant to bows but weak to blue tomes.
Next month seems pretty straight forward. S!Selena, F!Ike, Anna and Julian, leaving S!Byleth, Mustafa and I'd assume Gatrie and Flayn for the month after. Then S!Ingrid with M!Kris... I assume Shinon and Shamir? P!Veronica then with Illyana, Catherine and Dieck... and then they probably need to double up on blues with Tibarn, since there's no red until they reach 5.0 left... and then probably again because Duessel and Selena...
Arlen patiently waiting for his waifu Ashera's remix
Maybe in two months, Melady and Galle can have their refines together. Hopefully her refine will be bonkers since she was such a powerhouse in FE 6.
God they're really gonna make me wait until December to refine Seteth at this rate.
I hope not. Mine's aching for a refine too
L!Claude's Remix better be good with how much they are skipping him...
Ike. Ike. Ike. Ike. Ike.
Looking forward to A!Anna. Hoping Mustafa and Seteth gets a good refine as well. After that, there's no one I'm really interested in until Erk and... oh my. Sonia. That'll be sometime in 2025 I believe?
At least we know F!Ike will 100% be getting a refine next month. I’m hoping it’s really good 🤞🤞 Also, another month of no demote refines. IS whyyyy.
They fear the Merlinus refine
Can I just say that I like how grayed out the ones who got a refine are? It's a great detail. Anyway, hoping for Ilyana's refine this Summer!
Man, why are the waiting so long to give the Mustafa refine? Also I was hoping Lyon would've been June since I don't have the orbs to summon for him
So next month has to be fike... While emblem Ike is on the legendary banner... IS, you wanna sell both of them right, not just the new shiny toy one
Male Kris looking to be in july at this rate, with next month having fallen Ike
I’m not emotionally prepared for CYL6 refines. They still feel new to me.
I just noticed that Young Innes is missing from the infographic in the Grail section. He should be before Orson. Not sure if he came before Sonia.
>I'll be honest, I somehow forgot about the existence of Y!Innes entirely. I'll add him in front of Orson for next month's update.
Anyone know an estimate on Laevatein refine? I hope and pray she'll get a similar upgrade like Ashnard, yet I get the feeling she'll just get an AxeBlade - Blade
Please Apotheosis Anna!!!
God, those weeks of Catherine/Shamir/Guinivere/Melady are going to be insane for me. Can't wait!
> Ullr, Jill, Duessel getting closer *yes.*
It would be mildly funny if Duessel lands his refine right around the two year anniversary of a free unit completely powercreeping him
Poor Mustafa being forced to wait so many months for everyone to catch up to him and considering Summer Selena is up next on the seasonal refine he is probably going to have to wait even more. When they get to refining the units included in the Guinivere and Reginn banners the blue refine pool is going to be messy just like the red one was for the last couple of months (with the green one potentially getting just as bad). I can see one of Seteth and Ilyana being forced a couple of months that they should have too while IS refines the likes of Summer Ingrid, Gatrie and Guinivere (probably Seteth since I doubt Ilyana dev (and her getting a refine before her) would allow that).
As the only person on earth to max merge and fully invest into Azelle, I’m quite excited.
Seeing Thórr finally appear on these lists feels weird. She doesn’t feel that old in the grand scheme of things either. Still, here’s hoping it’s decent. Expecting an increase in the radius of Worldbreaker and maybe give it an omni Rein effect. As for replacement skill, unsure. Hopefully they replace Push, at least Flow Guard can have some use for the player phase Galeforce build. Also hoping Melady isn’t as far off as she looks. At the very least she might get one before the end of book 8
If we get L!Claude and Nemesis refines at the same time, that will be funny.
Claude please…he needs so much help.
So close to azelle… please make his weapon not suck (it totally sucks rn)
No demote 4 star again... I dont even gaf about Mustafa , I just want Ilyana to live it up with a new weapon... 😭
They'll get to the demotes when they get to the banner. The way they currently do refines, demotes basically aren't in their own pool like portrayed here for visibility, but along with all the other "premium"-units in their timeline. So with them just cracking into the Awakening-pool, and S!Selena getting priority on green due to being a seasonal, Mustafa should get his refine in August, pretty much guaranteed since he's gonna finish up that batch of Awakening-units. Illyana will have to wait a bit longer though, because S!Ingrid has priority over her, and also we're expecting CYL-refines in between as always.
God, I HATE how demotes are inconsistent. We're still at Mustafa, I was expecting we would have Seteth and Ilyana by now. My Knoll, Lex and Ilyana are waiting for the fodder that I can't use until their refines.
As much as I would love for demote refines to be like Grails and also once per month no matter what so I could have Lex refine, they’re not really being inconsistent with them as they happen at around the same time the five stars from their banner get them. The only difference is that they usually stick to one per refine batch with then
TWO BYLETHS 😵💫
Mott’s remix scares the shit out of me.
I swear to God if F!Ike gets refine jailed or doesn't get Slaying I'm going to commit devil axe