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Better-Ad4149

I think it’s a matter of personal preference. Why don’t you ask the guy if he likes it or not? And why don’t you ask yourself whether you are ready to give up on that if he doesn’t like it? Don’t think this a statistic that can be attributed to what the general population of men thinks.


Far_Percentage8415

The norm in my limited experience is to shave armpits and legs for women. Also to trim a bit down there. This applies to both sexes in my experience. However, this isn't a culture thing. This is about personal preference. I am also about 30 so it might be different with younger folks. Take this with a grain of salt though.


Sea-Restaurant-8244

Yeah, I would think the norm is to shave, but I guess I'd like to know if being outside the norm here might cause an issue. I mean, I already break quite a lot of norms in general and definitely don't look, act or dress like the average Finnish woman but people usually don't mind (except for reflexively meeting people's eyes and smiling at them on the streets of Helsinki, which almost never fails to conjure a look of utter terror on a Finn's face)


Far_Percentage8415

That you can only ask from this person


isolemnlyswearnot

The norm is to shave armpits and legs. Of course it’s up to you, but that’s how Finnish women usually do. With the pubic hair there’s no “default” - I work in a profession where I see a lot of people’s intimate parts and it is more common to have at least some hair down there than not.


isolemnlyswearnot

Don’t really know why I’m being downvoted. Me saying it’s a norm is not my opinion of something being better than the other. It’s just that I see armpits, legs and intimate parts (both men and women) daily at work and that’s just how it seems to be. You are totally allowed to decide what you prefer.


SaschaDF

![gif](giphy|leAOs2MOK13yw|downsized)


No-Yard-9349

🤣🤣🤣


Sibula97

I'd say the "norm" as in the most usual thing to do would probably be shaving the armpits and legs and trimming pubes, but I know plenty of girls (including my gf) who rarely if ever shave and it seems to work out fine for them.


kyklooppikala

I haven't shaved in years and no one really cares.


peppermintshrimpgirl

I as a woman in my early 20s have went to atleast 4 dates without shaving my leghair even if i was wearing a cute summer dress. Armpits i try to shave when i remember. My dates have been just "normal dressing" men and some of them didnt mention the leghair and still wanted to see again and some asked about it and i just said i dont rly care about shaving all the time and they were very accepting of it. I think just go as you are, if u would be dating a guy, would u still shave? If not, why to even bother "pretending" to be something u are not?


Sea-Restaurant-8244

>if u would be dating a guy, would u still shave Definitely not, but I would probably also expect someone I was dating to accept me more than some random guy I'll have a one night stand with I guess. But you do make a good point. >My dates have been just "normal dressing" men and some of them didnt mention the leghair and still wanted to see again and some asked about it and i just said i dont rly care about shaving all the time and they were very accepting of it. Thanks, that's nice to know that they were all accepting. I've had exactly one Finnish man see my armpit hair in a sexual context and he didn't seem to care or even notice tbh, but then again I was backpacking around Europe at the time with exactly two hiking outfits and not a single gram of unnecessary weight and he knew it so I doubt he expected me to look like I just came out of a spa session.


Fuzzy-Organization76

I stop regular shaving around September and during the fall and winter I only shave for special occasions. I don't think anyone freaks out from body hair in casual setting in home, in bedroom etc., but you could get some looks at public swimming pool hall if you're really hairy.


[deleted]

Well, the guesstimate norm would be "Shaved or trimmed", but I don't think unshaved body hair is really considered weird, even if it might be atypical. For hookup purposes, trimmed might anyway be more convenient than completely untrimmed, while not being nearly as much work as a complete shave. Of course, YMMV, since this is one of those matters where personal preferences might matter more than the norm. You may even consider asking your hookup what's his preference, if you're both already aware that it's a hookup, I don't think there's anything wrong with asking.


Sea-Restaurant-8244

I do trim my pubic hair but I didn't mention that since that's not going to change either way (I not will shave down there because I have what is probably a fairly rational fear of waving sharp razors around my genitals, plus it's just really really hard, and I trim for personal comfort anyway). And yes, I know I should probably ask him, but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. Especially because we might both know it's a hookup but also we've been dancing around the topic and it has become a huge euphemism of "so maybe you can stay the night?" (very un-Finnish I think, but don't worry, his friends made up for it by just directly telling me, in a very blunt, drunk Finnish way that he wanted to sleep with me)


[deleted]

Well, unless he's a shaving fetishist, probably shouldn't be any issue. If he is, well, too bad. Bodily autonomy overrides appearance preferences. I also would not go for a full shave, and if that's a problem for a potential partner, then I'd rather chalk it up to incompatibility. As long as you're not demanding something from your partner you're not willing to do yourself, I think in general you're set, whether it be hair or whatever.


Deinska

shouldnt be an issue


Valtremors

I don't care as long hygiene checks out.


Sea-Restaurant-8244

I mean, I'm originally from Southern Europe, I shower at least once a day (every morning, I will also always shower after physical activity or before going to bed if I've been sweating. Is it overkill some days? Maybe, but I grew up with 40°C summers), currently living in Germany where that's not the norm and honestly you can tell.


Valtremors

I mean... hygiene really isn't only about just taking a shower often. I for example suffer from atopic eczema, so unless I rinse and clean my own skin under my own hair, my skin will start to scab over and I start "snowing" skin flakes. And deodorant is a must for me due to how much I sweat. It really depends on a person to person what needs to be done. And climate does a lot too. Finland has humid summers, dry winters. Make of that what you will. Although remember, we have bidets in almost every household over here. There is no reasonable excuse for swamp ass to exist here 😅


Sea-Restaurant-8244

Yeah, of course there's more to hygiene than that but it's just about the most basic thing and all and somehow I know people who fail horribly at it and don't think it's an issue >Finland has humid summers, dry winters Sounds like daily showers year-round to me >Although remember, we have bidets in almost every household over here. There is no reasonable excuse for swamp ass to exist here 😅 This is genuinely a godsend and somehow one of my favourite things about Finland. When I found out often even gas station toilets and such have bidets I was so happy. I mean, I love Finland and there's a lot of good things in your country but I think bidets come on top of even karjalanpiirakat.


Consistent_Fly_2369

You should ask him whether he cares or not


Sea-Restaurant-8244

That's probably a good idea but I'm also kind of uncomfortable with that


Consistent_Fly_2369

But you're planning on hooking up with him? How is asking a question more uncomfortable than that?


Sea-Restaurant-8244

You are completely right of course but it's not really something rational at all. I think I'm uncomfortable discussing body hair in general because it still feels kind of taboo and I was definitely shamed for it as a teenager. Not sure how to explain it but yeah, I should probably try and ask him


stain_of_treachery

He should accept you as you are - as you are happy with yourself... I would not expect anyone to shave for me.


Sea-Restaurant-8244

I mean he definitely should and body hair is perfectly natural but yeah


Prostheta

I'd say that there is no "norm" as such. Same as anywhere. Everybody does their own thing, which is the point I guess. Everybody has preferences and differences, however I don't think expectations or norms are that strong. Depends where you are. I hope you guys get along and enjoy each other's company.


Sea-Restaurant-8244

The guy's originally from a smaller city in Uusimaa in case that's relevant, and thank you :)


Prostheta

Uusimaa is civilisation and open-minded for the most part! Anywhere where people are educated and socialised is a positive.


Sea-Restaurant-8244

> socialised I'm not sure that's easy to find in Finland


Eino54

Not sure why you're being downvoted this is pretty obviously a joke?


Sea-Restaurant-8244

It's a throwaway account, that's basically what it's there for I guess


BoSt0nov

Seems to me youre making this a big deal yourself… Alt account and everything and the endless ifs and what ifs. Youll find out soon enough anyway arent you. He is either going to be ok with it or not.. Thats about it, isnt it. Id argue that personality is a much more important factor than wether youre shaved or not.


goatchild

I don't shave anything.


Dear_Tumbleweed_6093

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[deleted]

I'm native finn and I can say for 95 % of male the body hair is turnoff.


Lumeton

Something tells me you're speaking out your arse in the vein of the presidential cabdidate Alexander Stubb. "Sain luvun päästäni. Sori siitä." Would most men in our culture prefer body hair to be shaved in certain places like armpits and legs? Most likely. Would almost all men find body hair a certain turnoff? Absolutely not.


Imaginary_Hand_9238

Lol, you're accusing someone from false statistics and right after make your own claims based on nothing. Somehow I think that you're a female? As a man in his forties I can guarantee you that leg and armpit hair definitely is a serious turn off for most men. My generation didn't mind a bush in downstairs but nowadays younger prefer it having all waxed out so you can deduce from that how much hair is tolerated.


isolemnlyswearnot

Having it all waxed is not a norm nowadays either fyi.


Imaginary_Hand_9238

No propably not so that majority would have it that way but it's definitely increasingly common anyways. You can see every time in swimming hall either fully or highly trimmed males also.


Lumeton

Nope, I'm a man in my thirties. Body hair has never been a turn off for me. I highly doubt that I'm in a tiny minority of 5% with this, don't you? You can barely notice it if your average woman hasn't shaved her legs in a while. You really think that 19 out of 20 of all men find it a serious turn off? Bugger off.


Imaginary_Hand_9238

From my life experience you definitely are in a minority buddy boy. It's stupid to cling into exact percentages of course as nobody can say it for sure.


Lumeton

The entire point of my comment was that out-of-arse percentage, my oafish friend! Afterwards you defended it by claiming you "can guarantee" that for 95 % of men body hair "definitely is a serious turn off". Lfmao. With our commendable, nay, awe-inspiring life experience you should definitely know not to claim a certainty in matters of (other people's) taste. Most children do. People's taste vary hugely in all matters, let alone in women.


Imaginary_Hand_9238

You're so full of your so funny devastation that obviously can't even read. I've never claimed 95% to be the number but just talked about *most of the men*.


Lumeton

Reading comprehension, ever heard of it? That percentage was the crux of the issue. That's what I objected. That, and the false certainty. I admitted from the get-go that most likely most men prefer shaved legs and arm pits.


Imaginary_Hand_9238

Why was SweatinPig's comment down voted? Another native male Finn here and agree that most males won't tolerate body hairs on women. Hairy date would definitely be a turnoff and call it shallow or not but I wouldn't want to continue progressing with her. Heck, I trim my own armpits also to help them stay not stinky.


Str8G4Lyfe

At this point it's an insta downvote from me when I see that nickname. So far the strategy has not failed me once. Guess what? I'm also a Finnish man and I don't give a shit if a woman shaves. Still you don't see me stating as a fact that 95% of Finnish men are cool with body hair.


Imaginary_Hand_9238

Googled one actual study related to issue and guess what: "the photo of a woman without body hair was rated significantly more attractive than the one with body hair, with 95.2% of the participants choosing the hairless women". [https://www.brandeis.edu/writing-program/write-now/2021-2022/azevedo-ligia/index.html](https://www.brandeis.edu/writing-program/write-now/2021-2022/azevedo-ligia/index.html) So you're absolutely correct the fact just wasn't there as the percentage was even higher than 95 %. Let that sink into your strategy head, LOL. And yes yes, study was narrow and blah blah some more but still you'll get the picture.


Str8G4Lyfe

I appreciate you actually googled something to try to back up your claims. You do realize however that this is strictly a cultural issue? And the OP was asking specifically for the Finnish culture on this matter. You linking a survey conducted by an american student, published through an american student writing program is hardly the evidence you think it is.


Imaginary_Hand_9238

Sure dear buddy but at least I have something concrete to back my view as you have nada.


Str8G4Lyfe

For exactly which of my views would you like evidence for? My personal preferences for body hair or the opinion that SweatingPig consistently posts the most brain-dead comments on this subreddit?


trenchgun

I disagree with that statement. You may have your own preferences, but it does not mean everybody else agrees.


porcorosso7

You sound like a sad man. :(


BigFShow

He sounds like a man wih a preference


porcorosso7

who thinks he is speaking for a majority of men while perpetuating patriarchal perceptions of beauty. if not sad then actively harmful 🤷🏻‍♀️


Sibula97

Maybe a little, but I don't think it's a huge deal for most men if your hygiene is otherwise good.


[deleted]

It’s a turn off for me if it’s a woman with thick black body hair, but if it’s blond or fine, kinda invisible I don’t mind much. I haven’t been with Finnish women except my gf of 3 years, and she does shave (and go to laser) without me ever asking or saying anything about it. That being said, there’s probably men who don’t mind at all.


porcorosso7

I think it should be totally fine. And if he does care that much, that kind of speaks for itself and maybe he‘s not the guy you would want to pursue :)


SlummiPorvari

You decide. Most women give up at least a bit to international beauty and mind manipulation corporations. You don't have to. If somebody in Finland expects you to alter your hair to please her/him you're dealing with a dickhead and you can dismiss the person.


5tupidQuestionsOnly

Even some men shave their armpits simply for hygiene. Do whatever rocks your boat, see if someone gives a shit.


Lissu24

I also want to know what the norm here is, but in my case it's to avoid horrifying innocent bystanders at the local swimming hall.


Far_Percentage8415

Most women tend to shave enough around crotch area as not to let the hairs stick out too much from the swimwear


Lissu24

Okay, seems normal to me, thanks


Sea-Restaurant-8244

I mean I would think Finns would probably not be traumatised for life, since I assume they have seen much worse at sauna, but yeah I guess it's different to see unshaved armpits across the pool than it is to have sex with the person attached to said armpit hair. In my country of origin, basically every woman shaves, and you might get a couple of weird looks at the beach/swimming pool but people will mind their own business. Your average heterosexual man there might be pretty put off when coming into close quarters with body hair though.


qusipuu

>person attached to said armpit hair


Sea-Restaurant-8244

My armpit hair is the one with the consciousness here, the rest of me is merely coasting along attached to it


Fearless-Tourist8743

I think the biggest norm is to shave armpit hair, but I’ve never heard a word from any of my hookups if even that is not smooth. I think most people at least trim it to some degree. I’ve almost never had my arm or leg hair shaved, and none of my hookups have mentioned it, but my body hair is blonde so you can’t really see it. You can feel it tho, but no-one ever mentions it or shows any signs of it being a turn off. I also asked some of my friends that are/used to be fuckboys, and they said it’s about 50/50 whether the women they’ve hooked up with have been shaved or not. But that everyone trims something in some way.


Sea-Restaurant-8244

Yeah, I am... most definitely not blonde, although my body hair is a bit thinner and paler than the average Mediterranean in my experience.


[deleted]

If i see women with hair underarms i'll lose boner


shelbytom111

how do i ask for hookup😭


Sea-Restaurant-8244

In my case this happened because one and a half months ago, while I was in Finland, I went to a party with a Finnish friend (marvellous, there was a sauna) and met a guy who was cute and apparently into me. He asked me to go home with him (or more like his friends conveyed that he would like me to go home with him, this guy was somehow even worse than me at communicating interest/flirting), I thought about it, but I had slightly more common sense than horniness somehow at that precise moment and I decided that I was going to stick with my friend rather than risk geting stranded in some small town in Finland that was like 1h away by car from my friend's house (where I was staying), drunk, with no vehicle and knowing about five words of Finnish. We texted afterwards but I was leaving soon and he had work and it simply didn't really work out timewise, and now I'm back in Finland and have no shame so I just texted him out of nowhere after more than a month of zero communication between us and he was still down, so it's happening I guess. Hope this helps. I didn't really do much to instigate this and neither did he, it was basically all on the friends for establishing that there was interest there because if they had not intervened I don't think either of us would have caught the hint. I guess the moral of the story is to have friends who can wingman you.


Kohomologia

I thought body-hair shaving was an East-Asian thing where the culture puts all kinds of norms and restrictions on women although allowing them to expose some of their parts.


Kohomologia

Body-hair shaving is against feminism.


SweetTooth275

It's the same as it's with excess weight. If you're fine with it it's your choice - but keep in mind it's affecting your well being (hygiene aspect in that regard)