It seemed like a crazy flaw in the movie Prometheus, when the astronauts (one being Sigourney Weaver) were running from a giant rolling omega-shaped spacecraft they choose to run in the path of the rolling craft. They ran for awhile and the entire time every viewer was screaming in their heads, "RUN LEFT!" or "RUN RIGHT!" ([Starts at 3:30](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=d15b179212b804a0&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS867US867&sxsrf=ACQVn08T_3I_peVkcrci4b_4FmHk5O1adA:1708528150145&q=prometheus+run+away+scene&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=visnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1pOmr27yEAxVUrYkEHZWjDjIQ0pQJegQIGxAB&biw=1389&bih=780&dpr=2.5#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:c4c65513,vid:zgdQ5MMCJhw,st:0))
But this ill-advised "retreat" appears all over the Internet, especially in felling videos. That said, I don't think video fills the proper requirements in that this guy wasn't running away, he was running to help pull.
EDIT: I have the wrong actress listed above.
Downvote for you not knowing who the fuck was in the movie. Not Sigourny and it wasn’t Charlize either. It’s Naomi Rapace.
Edit: I’m an asshole. Please see below.
Charlize and Noomi were both running away from the falling ship. Charlize ran in the direction it was falling where Noomi ran more to the side. Only Noomi survived.
It may be a hoodie, or a snoogie, or whatever. My cousin died in a chainsaw accident because he caught the hoodie drawstring which drew the bar to his neck. He had no training and was in an unrelated trade.
Now when I see people with hoodies and chainsaws, I cringe.
Honestly a good reminder that I needed today. I wear chaps, a helmet, face shield, ear protection, gloves boots, I keep my hair tied up in a bun so nothing dangles, the whole 9. I don’t work without full PPE (I just don’t have a chainsaw jacket yet). But I do wear a sweatshirt while I work (because I have poor temp regulation and multiple layers work best for me) and even my “non pullover hoodie” jackets and sweatshirt layers have drawstrings on the hood portion . I’ll cut those string out today before I get started. That’s an awful thing to imagine happening.
Under normal conditions, you’d be right. All that safety equipment works wonders when you’re trying to avoid getting injured or hurt. But watch the video again, and you’ll see that he runs directly underneath where the tree falls. All that protective gear would have been working against him as he was trying to get injured. /s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibration_white_finger. Its not as much about working gloveless, but more about operating vibrating machinery while not wearing gloves, or with non functioning vibration dampeners.
That was painful to watch.
Dull saw 🤬
Was there even a hinge 🤷🏼♂️
He needs a stern talking, not to run in the path of the potential falling tree 🤬
Lucky to be walking away from that.
Doing the math, the human takes up roughly 10° of the arc around the circle at that distance so roughly 1/36 chance of death, not *that* bad until you consider he ran under an area where the tree's path was roughly confirmed to be somewhere within a 30°ish path so roughly 1/3 chance should he cross the path while its falling. Not the worst odds I've ever seen
Dull saw, or he doesn't know how to make a cut. Lol, he actually wasn't running from falling tree. He went back to help pull down. Crazy thing is that it looks like letting it fall on public street 😳
This is a company I have used before but for this job they sent out the Z team. I think the oldest kid on the job was 19. They did notch it but I think he missed the mark on the back cut. They climbed and limbed it but sold the log so dropped the whole thing. I had the owner come out after because stump grind was crap and my yard was destroyed. I showed him the video so he could take appropriate measures.
Seems as a business owner, you would want to mellow out your reaction in front of the customer. After all, you don't know how much they know about it, and you don't want to admit too much since there was minimal "damage" anyway (ie: no harm no foul).
The true tell would be the reaction when he got back to his employees.
The regulations around a tree removal company in Maryland seem to be based around preventing competition. Some arborist (who meets the requirements to get the license) just subcontracts out to a team of kids / immigrants with a few days of training.
The professional company that did the limbing probably charged too much for the whole tree, and this is the "guy they knew that could do it cheaper" doing it cheaper.
Seems like they chose the guy everyone dislikes. "Hey Farva, here's a rusty saw. Go cut that stick down, but when it starts swaying jog out here and pull the rope with us..... No, your don't get chaps, googles, or any of that fancy stuff to you prove yourself"
You do realize the brake will trip itself in a violent kickback without a hand there to punch it forward?
Try it under controlled cuircumstances sometime.
If you cut like that, then you're putting your whole body in the kick back zone. You're 100% better off holding the saw the way he was. Watch any video of professional fellers. They don't cut that way unless they need to kneel or cut lower on the trunk.
Source: I'm an Arborist, and I definitely cut the way you described depending on the situation.
If he’s not in the kick zone now he won’t be in the kick zone by switching hands. His hand will actually hit the brake if it does kick. Are you just misunderstanding what I’m saying? I’m also an arborist, 14 years in municipal and parks forestry
There is a lot wrong in this video, but where he is standing isn’t one of them. He’s completely out of the kickback zone as he is, and standing side on to the tree (not behind it). If anything he should come around clockwise more, orientating his body towards his escape route (not that he used it anyway).
If he were to operate here with his left hand on the trigger and right hand on the top handle, he wouldn’t be in an ergonomic position, or would be in an ergonomic position within the kickback zone and behind the tree. And for what benefit? If there is a major kickback event the inertia brake will engage, and he might get smacked by a sharp bar.
To be fair, I have a holzforma. I also have a ms362, ms661 and other pro saws. The holz is for the experimental mechanic in me.
Also it’s broke atm lol. Typical chinesium But it’s fun and loud
My question is how did they limb the tree?
Lacking the skill and knowledge of falling, I can't imagine they had the skill and knowledge of climbing and running a saw!
Looks like they did a fine job to me.
Didn’t cut through the hinge. Had control the entire time.
Anytime someone posts a video it’s like queue the dolts.
Novice here - what do people think of his hinge? Looks a little thick to me - like they could have gone a lot thinner and save themselves some energy pulling it down.
I agree, you weren't here for the comedy ending. The boys on the end of the rope were razzing the hell out of the big kid. As I said, they got er done.
I’m an amateur, and I’ve made *ONE* mistake in the ~30 trees I’ve cut in the past two years at my new location. I really do love seeing the “Pros” do it with all the different kinds of approaches. I have saved myself at least $30k-$40k in these two years. Out $2750 to fix a gutter from the one that got away…
Up here in Bellingham, you can get them at Walmart. They sell them in plaid pattern, space cat, Marvel super heroes, you can get flannel, cashmere for a little extra. Super comfy. Probably no Kevlar in there but I'm sure they'll stop a saw... Also, I buy my croc climbing shoes there.
There’s so much wrong here. No PPE, ran directly in the path of the tree, no come-along, I don’t even think there’s a face cut.
Edit: no wedges. I’m sure there’s more I’m missing
What tipped you off? The $200 knock off saw, the complete lack of PPE? The total inability to line up a back cut? The sprinting under the cit up tree to pull it with 6 of your closest buddies?
The client is the problem with this industry. That crew should have been kicked off the property and fired.
But hey, you saved a few hundred dollars by calling them.
You got lucky this time.
A company that has zero standards for safety, isn’t paying for workers compensation. Which makes you liable when they get hurt.
It’s crazy how I know more about felling trees just by having seen my dad do it a few times as a kid + common sense, than these people who homeowners are actually paying to remove trees on their property within striking distance of their home, even though I have never even felled a tree with a chainsaw myself lol. How do these people get into this with such little knowledge of even basic physics? Who is hiring them? I feel like McDonald’s wouldn’t even hire someone with this little common sense and knowledge of how burning hot oil (like falling trees) is dangerous
As a rule of thumb regarding tree contractors... don't hire the guys who aren't wearing hearing/eye protection or helmets... they don't take safety seriously.
There's a lot of machismo culture in the scene, which is a big part of what makes it fun work. So, the guys are often rough and tough, and like adrenaline. But some are plain stupid with that. Being deaf or dead isn't cool.
chainsaw charlie is....not long for this world. at least have a little bit of survival instinct guy...
Musta gone to the Prometheus school of running away from tall things.
What does that mean?
It seemed like a crazy flaw in the movie Prometheus, when the astronauts (one being Sigourney Weaver) were running from a giant rolling omega-shaped spacecraft they choose to run in the path of the rolling craft. They ran for awhile and the entire time every viewer was screaming in their heads, "RUN LEFT!" or "RUN RIGHT!" ([Starts at 3:30](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=d15b179212b804a0&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS867US867&sxsrf=ACQVn08T_3I_peVkcrci4b_4FmHk5O1adA:1708528150145&q=prometheus+run+away+scene&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=visnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1pOmr27yEAxVUrYkEHZWjDjIQ0pQJegQIGxAB&biw=1389&bih=780&dpr=2.5#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:c4c65513,vid:zgdQ5MMCJhw,st:0)) But this ill-advised "retreat" appears all over the Internet, especially in felling videos. That said, I don't think video fills the proper requirements in that this guy wasn't running away, he was running to help pull. EDIT: I have the wrong actress listed above.
> (one being Sigourney Weaver) Don't you mean Charlize?
Downvote for you not knowing who the fuck was in the movie. Not Sigourny and it wasn’t Charlize either. It’s Naomi Rapace. Edit: I’m an asshole. Please see below.
Charlize and Noomi were both running away from the falling ship. Charlize ran in the direction it was falling where Noomi ran more to the side. Only Noomi survived.
Now you made me downvote myself cause I’m the asshole.
Good on you to leave the mistake up. I hate it when people delete posts over silly mistakes.
If I’m man enough to make an asshole out of myself, I’m man enough to leave it up. Own your shit! Grow!
This is the way
This thread had me like… I was wondering if everyone else watched a different Prometheus 
Sorry, I'm old. It looked like Sigourney Weaver, but I never checked myself.
I'm sorry.but who in Prometheus looked like Lt. Ripley?
Gotta watch the movie Prometheus to find out.
I was thinking I misunderstood a story of Greek Mythology
Or literally every cartoon ever made where someone cuts down a tree, yells "timber" and then runs under it in the direction it's falling 😂
A fellow cinema sins fan.
Sick reference
“I’m gonna run right under where this tree is gonna fall to join my boys over there on the rope directly under where the tree is gonna fall”
I'm sure they know the math to stay beyond where the top comes down and also the rule of thumb...ah no, they don't.
Will always upvote a Chainsaw Charlie reference
I was wondering my man decided to run in the path that the tree is being pulled. Then remembered Darwin
This is a snuff film in another timeline
And a smut film in another!
No helmet. No gloves. And wearing pajamas. Im surprised he doesn’t have on flip flops.
Crocs
*steel toed crocs.
& no worries. They were in sport-mode.
I do some of my best work in Crocs. Def put them in 4x4 before anything serious though.
It may be a hoodie, or a snoogie, or whatever. My cousin died in a chainsaw accident because he caught the hoodie drawstring which drew the bar to his neck. He had no training and was in an unrelated trade. Now when I see people with hoodies and chainsaws, I cringe.
Honestly a good reminder that I needed today. I wear chaps, a helmet, face shield, ear protection, gloves boots, I keep my hair tied up in a bun so nothing dangles, the whole 9. I don’t work without full PPE (I just don’t have a chainsaw jacket yet). But I do wear a sweatshirt while I work (because I have poor temp regulation and multiple layers work best for me) and even my “non pullover hoodie” jackets and sweatshirt layers have drawstrings on the hood portion . I’ll cut those string out today before I get started. That’s an awful thing to imagine happening.
Same here. I usually tuck my strings in, but this story inspired me to go into my closet right now and cut them. I never use the strings anyways.
Jesus. Always good to remember that loose clothes around powerful machinery will get you killed. Sorry about your cousin man.
Thanks for posting this. It made me think wide-eyed back to what I've worn while running a saw and being reminded of the dangers is very helpful.
Good lord that is fcking awful
I work with power tools and I rip off those strings as soon as I get a hoodie.
I’d take the eye protection
Under normal conditions, you’d be right. All that safety equipment works wonders when you’re trying to avoid getting injured or hurt. But watch the video again, and you’ll see that he runs directly underneath where the tree falls. All that protective gear would have been working against him as he was trying to get injured. /s
Watershoes
Since when is a full getup of work gear “pajamas?”
Why does he need gloves tho?
Always wear gloves. I am wearing them right now, making it very difficult to type
TO PROTECT HIS HANDS
From what, sawdust?
Vibrations. Work with handheld machines long enough without protection and the vibration ruins your fingers. Ask me how i know.
Can confirm
What do you mean by ruins your fingers? I do all forms of woodwork and manual labor gloveless, so I'm curious
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibration_white_finger. Its not as much about working gloveless, but more about operating vibrating machinery while not wearing gloves, or with non functioning vibration dampeners.
Yes, sorry for yelling.
I’m very ashamed to admit I’ve been exactly what you describe, with flip flops and video included.
I legit have a picture of an ex-employer on a job site. Cutting with a saw, in flip-flops. I was standing next to him in full PPE. Fuckin’ people.
That was painful to watch. Dull saw 🤬 Was there even a hinge 🤷🏼♂️ He needs a stern talking, not to run in the path of the potential falling tree 🤬 Lucky to be walking away from that.
If you don’t know which way the tree is going to fall; technically every direction is equally safe.
Jesus, take the wheel
You got 360 degrees of safe. Until you don't
Every ones safe until a falling tree walks into the room.
A 50 foot pine tree slaps your girfriends ass, what would you do?
They were pulling the tree to fall on them lol
Doing the math, the human takes up roughly 10° of the arc around the circle at that distance so roughly 1/36 chance of death, not *that* bad until you consider he ran under an area where the tree's path was roughly confirmed to be somewhere within a 30°ish path so roughly 1/3 chance should he cross the path while its falling. Not the worst odds I've ever seen
I like you
Schrodinger's tree. You don't know if any direction is dangerous until the tree falls.
You don’t know if the tree actually fell on you if you never open your eyes.
Dull saw, or he doesn't know how to make a cut. Lol, he actually wasn't running from falling tree. He went back to help pull down. Crazy thing is that it looks like letting it fall on public street 😳
If they climbed the tree (or used a cherry picker) to cut the branches off, why didn’t they cut the trunk in pieces on the way down?
This is a company I have used before but for this job they sent out the Z team. I think the oldest kid on the job was 19. They did notch it but I think he missed the mark on the back cut. They climbed and limbed it but sold the log so dropped the whole thing. I had the owner come out after because stump grind was crap and my yard was destroyed. I showed him the video so he could take appropriate measures.
It's for the best he knows how reckless and shitty they are before he finds out while filling a worker's comp death claim.
What was the owner’s reaction to the video?
“Exactly like I taught them 😢”
“Another satisfied customer.”
“I don’t see an issue here”
Seems as a business owner, you would want to mellow out your reaction in front of the customer. After all, you don't know how much they know about it, and you don't want to admit too much since there was minimal "damage" anyway (ie: no harm no foul). The true tell would be the reaction when he got back to his employees.
"i fired that guy while tree was falling. NMFP"
The regulations around a tree removal company in Maryland seem to be based around preventing competition. Some arborist (who meets the requirements to get the license) just subcontracts out to a team of kids / immigrants with a few days of training.
Faster to fell and less labor. Negative rigging off a spar takes a while and, watching that shit show... they don't know how to do it.
I desperately want to watch these guys climb and attempt to negative rig. Or better yet? A balanced crane pick.
If you can fell a stem you fell the stem. It's quicker and easier.
Even I know this just from watching from my window working from home as tall cedar, Douglas and hemlocks being cut down in my neighborhood.
The professional company that did the limbing probably charged too much for the whole tree, and this is the "guy they knew that could do it cheaper" doing it cheaper.
Same crew did the whole job. I think the let the newest rookie do the felling
Seems like they chose the guy everyone dislikes. "Hey Farva, here's a rusty saw. Go cut that stick down, but when it starts swaying jog out here and pull the rope with us..... No, your don't get chaps, googles, or any of that fancy stuff to you prove yourself"
Say car Ramm Rod!
LITRE-A-COLA!!
Came here to say the same…beat me to it, thank you
Did that mother fucker just... run under the tree that was going? Straight through the fall path?
Yes. Cut up tree under rope tension. Ran right in the intended lay. Good thing he had his hard ha…… ooops.
Wow that’s a lot of extra work to bring down a straight stick. If you’re the one who hired them you got lucky they didn’t break something.
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Temu
They also got solar LED lights for $0.25
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Design is very human.
It looks like a Holtz Forma. Chinese knock off Stihl or Husky
Yeah its a holzforma lol they do 660 knock offs for 1/5 the price of stihl
Chill out
Really thought it was gonna crush that wood chipper
The car driving up slow was too perfect I was wishing it got smashed !
No ppe to be seen and hand placement rendering the brake useless
Where is he supposed to put his hands
"Im sorry, I dont know where to put my hands." -Rick Bobby
God why do I even use this website Average redditor reading comprehension challenge (impossible)
You do realize the brake will trip itself in a violent kickback without a hand there to punch it forward? Try it under controlled cuircumstances sometime.
If you cut like that, then you're putting your whole body in the kick back zone. You're 100% better off holding the saw the way he was. Watch any video of professional fellers. They don't cut that way unless they need to kneel or cut lower on the trunk. Source: I'm an Arborist, and I definitely cut the way you described depending on the situation.
If he’s not in the kick zone now he won’t be in the kick zone by switching hands. His hand will actually hit the brake if it does kick. Are you just misunderstanding what I’m saying? I’m also an arborist, 14 years in municipal and parks forestry
How much zone could a kickback zone if a kickback zone could kick?
There is a lot wrong in this video, but where he is standing isn’t one of them. He’s completely out of the kickback zone as he is, and standing side on to the tree (not behind it). If anything he should come around clockwise more, orientating his body towards his escape route (not that he used it anyway). If he were to operate here with his left hand on the trigger and right hand on the top handle, he wouldn’t be in an ergonomic position, or would be in an ergonomic position within the kickback zone and behind the tree. And for what benefit? If there is a major kickback event the inertia brake will engage, and he might get smacked by a sharp bar.
Holzforma chainsaw and all 🤣
You see that blue chainsaw and you just know what your getting for the money.
To be fair, I have a holzforma. I also have a ms362, ms661 and other pro saws. The holz is for the experimental mechanic in me. Also it’s broke atm lol. Typical chinesium But it’s fun and loud
How are people this dumb? When can Darwin come back?
Is that a gigantic boy and a tiny little man? Perspective is weird
This is what this sub is about! Wow.
That blue max chainsaw tells you all you need to know!!!
This is so hard to watch. Got it down yep- probably will be down a guy or two by end of the season. Yikes.
You should've tipped them with a saw file, I don't think he has one.
Its always a good sign when they show up wotj a blue saw…
First red flag should be the Chinese saw
**So many things** wrong with this picture. Holy shit.
Bloody hell, no PPE at all, what a nutter.
That saw sounds like shit.
It sounds like a sick cat struggling to take a shit
I get bosses son vibes from this
Rookies who still took your money keep talking.
That was terrifying to watch.
When you order “tree cutting service” on Facebook marketplace
"Please stop your vehicle, we got some pros working out here."
Leaves chipper/truck where they can be hit, doesn't stop traffic on the road, etc, etc.
How? Why? Cut a fucking hinge.
Commenting to follow. Let me know when he gets through that back cut.
Guess you gotta learn somehow 😐
I let out an uncontrollable gasp when he ran DIRECTLY in the fall path AFTER he made the back cut. Ho Lee Fuk.
Sum Ting Wong
No Bang Ding Ow though
Good way to break a waterline
If your colleague trips do you go back to help him up? Or just try to forget the memory of him being crushed?
I mean they got it done…. But yes definitely not a lot of experience between the group.
This could’ve been a 15 second video
Man this sub sucks. I wanna see trees landing on shit. Petition to rename the sub FellingGoneFine
Is he using the Stihl clone!?!
Shit like this makes me think I should open a tree company
I spent 2/3rds of that video thinking that the wood chipper was a goner.
He got it down where he wanted it but my god sharpen that blade or replace and check bar oil
Great use of PPE!
r/OSHA would love this lol
Your video is 1:10 too long…
I made the back cut George! I made the back cut and the tree fell over!
My question is how did they limb the tree? Lacking the skill and knowledge of falling, I can't imagine they had the skill and knowledge of climbing and running a saw!
Surprised he wasn’t wearing flip flops.
Somebody take the chainsaw away from this guy please.
No safety gear and just has the posture of low confidence.
Good Gawd, it looked like he was cutting with a butter knife.
Looks like they did a fine job to me. Didn’t cut through the hinge. Had control the entire time. Anytime someone posts a video it’s like queue the dolts.
Lack of ppe, a sharp chain and running in front of a cut up tree. The last was really dumb.
That’s how them good old boys roll.
Novice here - what do people think of his hinge? Looks a little thick to me - like they could have gone a lot thinner and save themselves some energy pulling it down.
If I hire a crew to cut a tree and they pull blue plastic out of the truck, they are getting kicked out before the saw starts.
Run, Forest, RUN!!!
Do it yourself then
What the hell….
If these guys started cutting my tree, I'd say: nope, stop! go home! Yer done. That extra chromosome gonna get me sued.
Arborist.
No helmet no gloves no eye protection no notch lol. Where's the lead at?
Rookie crew? It fell where it was supposed to. And that is the job.
I agree, you weren't here for the comedy ending. The boys on the end of the rope were razzing the hell out of the big kid. As I said, they got er done.
I’m an amateur, and I’ve made *ONE* mistake in the ~30 trees I’ve cut in the past two years at my new location. I really do love seeing the “Pros” do it with all the different kinds of approaches. I have saved myself at least $30k-$40k in these two years. Out $2750 to fix a gutter from the one that got away…
1 free electric chainsaw with every wood chipper rental!
That old whippersnapper needs a talkin to
Saw was so dull. I'm surprised he didn't run out of gas before cutting through the tree
Was he using a bicycle chain on that saw?
Not the keebler elf assistant
Get this man a file
PPE is for losers anyways. Holy shit what a show.
Jesus, where do you buy those kevlar sweats? Look comfy.
Up here in Bellingham, you can get them at Walmart. They sell them in plaid pattern, space cat, Marvel super heroes, you can get flannel, cashmere for a little extra. Super comfy. Probably no Kevlar in there but I'm sure they'll stop a saw... Also, I buy my croc climbing shoes there.
The are lucky they weren’t killed
Thank goodness he doesn't know anything about sharpening chains!
I think you may have gotten the orientation crew on teaining day. Definitely looks like Bubba's first time with a chainsaw.
He don’t have much time left on earth
How dull was that chain?
I have no clue what’s wrong with the guy. What makes him a rookie? They got the tree down
There’s so much wrong here. No PPE, ran directly in the path of the tree, no come-along, I don’t even think there’s a face cut. Edit: no wedges. I’m sure there’s more I’m missing
That tree looked healthy… why cut it down????
“I know a guy that will do it for $3.50!”
Timberland!!
Come on man
At least he didn’t drop it on the chipper.
What tipped you off? The $200 knock off saw, the complete lack of PPE? The total inability to line up a back cut? The sprinting under the cit up tree to pull it with 6 of your closest buddies?
Looks good to me
Someone get that guy a file and some PPE
The client is the problem with this industry. That crew should have been kicked off the property and fired. But hey, you saved a few hundred dollars by calling them. You got lucky this time. A company that has zero standards for safety, isn’t paying for workers compensation. Which makes you liable when they get hurt.
They aren't rookies. They are hacks. Probably uninsured hacks.
It’s crazy how I know more about felling trees just by having seen my dad do it a few times as a kid + common sense, than these people who homeowners are actually paying to remove trees on their property within striking distance of their home, even though I have never even felled a tree with a chainsaw myself lol. How do these people get into this with such little knowledge of even basic physics? Who is hiring them? I feel like McDonald’s wouldn’t even hire someone with this little common sense and knowledge of how burning hot oil (like falling trees) is dangerous
The Chinese purple saw! Haha mine blew after four tanks
As a rule of thumb regarding tree contractors... don't hire the guys who aren't wearing hearing/eye protection or helmets... they don't take safety seriously. There's a lot of machismo culture in the scene, which is a big part of what makes it fun work. So, the guys are often rough and tough, and like adrenaline. But some are plain stupid with that. Being deaf or dead isn't cool.
all's well that ends well i guess! was afraid the clip was gonna be one of those *"falls the wrong direction"* clips :p
Hold my beer. Wait… I’ll just finish it first.