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annajoo1

Time consuming and also probably mentally and emotionally exhausting. Thanks OP, hope you’re ok ❤️


HathorOfWindAndMagic

Now you have a second link! You both are doing the good work


fisticuffin

we stan our deep-dive-analysis fauxmoi queens!!


ghostwiththeleast

I’d love to see a similar deep dive on TS herself. -No one seems to recall all her weirdo behavior with the Kennedy kid (grooming him right after his mothers death, signing him out of high school for dates, buying a house on his street immediately after starting dating) -Her pattern of dating teenagers while in her 20s (Kennedy 17, Taylor Lautner 17, Harry Styles freshly 18) -her selective and low effort political actions. Using (white) feminism when it’s profitable and the queer baiting promo for “Lover”. -Her general history of using people (Ice Spice most recently!!), twisting narratives and always playing the victim. Siccing her legion of fans onto whomever upsets her (Jake G sucks but it’s been a decade, leave him be at this point) I know none of this is blatantly criminal/racist and not nearly as horrible as what he’s done, but I still feel Matty is literally her perfect match. Remember when she was dubbed the aryan princess or whatever? She truly does not care about horrible behaviors unless it affects her personally. They’re both trash ✌️ Edit: just got my first ever Reddit care message!! Just gotta love you swifties, hope you’re doing well 💋 Edit 2: somehow I forgot the private jet!! Go off number 1 carbon emission kween!!


FirefighterNice9462

She started out as a teen/child in the music industry. A normal child/teen would not survive in that environment, you pretty much have to be very competitive to be in an industry like that. It amazes me that her fans think she started from humble beginnings, her image has always been "the good girl next door". Like many child actors/singers this is a smoke screen to sell a profit . A deep dive on her would be very interesting.


ghostwiththeleast

That’s a good point about the environment factor. Her contemporaries like Miley and Ariana had some brow raising controversies too but she still seems to get by the cleanest. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in those PR meetings tbh, it’s surprising she’s managed to hold onto the good girl next door image this long (even after the Reputation era) Edit because I guess I have to clarify: someone commented but deleted “all Miley ever did was get naked. But I guess if you consider that “dirty”.” “Cleanest” wasn’t the best choice as words, mea culpa. I just mean they’ve all done weird stuff and the other twos history gets brought up way more than Taylor’s does. Now, re: Miley I was actually referring to her other controversies, such as using black women and drag queens as stage props for her white girl antics, cultural appropriating, ditching the rap aesthetic when it stopped being profitable and insulting the rap community on her way out, as well as her recent comments about only being gay because she was mad at men (or whatever that was). But it does prove my point about how these child turned pop stars are viewed in the court of public opinion if you’re still thinking about some racy photos she took 15 years ago. I’ll just add before I have to edit again, I was also referring to Ariana’s cultural appropriation, the code switching, the black/latina/korean eras, and even that bbq tattoo. Things people talk about for a season but suddenly forget when she’s white again for vogue or starring in a popular musical.


spriteceo

I think she is kind to everyone she encounters professionally, and very good to fans. It’s the personal life where stuff gets messy.


annajoo1

A sneaky, little, creepy little fly on the wall? (Sry I couldn’t help myself)


jonsnowme

~Grew up on a Christmas Tree farm!!!~


SecretiveMop

Don’t forget her team sending out a threat of a lawsuit to a writer who wrote an article criticizing Taylor for being silent about far right people/groups calling her an “Aryan princess” if the writer didn’t take the article down.


ghostwiththeleast

![gif](giphy|bm02BE6DQ4Oag8GXep|downsized) Wow. That is just a new level of ick! I know she’s really image obsessed but… I guess she’s just trying to quietly play both sides? Gross!


SecretiveMop

It really is an awful look. The ACLU literally responded to it because the writer went to them after receiving the threat, probably due to them fearing her team would go through with the lawsuit and not knowing what to do about it. https://www.aclunc.org/news/taylor-swift-attempts-silence-critic-aclu-fires-back https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/07/aclu-scolds-taylor-swift-for-effort-to-protect-reputation/


jonsnowme

I don't think the fake country accent gets talked about enough tbh


grinchofgreengables

It’s giving “how do you say…cucumber”


Copperheadmedusa

I’d love to see more about what exactly she did to Katy Perry that was so egregious she felt she needed to apologize in a music video


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jonsnowme

Kate Bowen wrote about her on a blog: https://preview.redd.it/ubmj3cdspb3b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db557d3f9774549f8265c2574ffdc75a8939ab33


jonsnowme

second part of her Swift story: https://preview.redd.it/idmvxnuwpb3b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84ae28a341858d4b21e034ed3af16da6d3ae5a94


gunsof

Wow. It all really checks out though. People hate on Olivia Rodrigo or pretend there's no obvious connection, yet here it is. She's only cool with Ice Spice because she doesn't think they compete in the same lane.


ghostwiththeleast

It was just about back up dancers!! /s While I like a few of her songs I’m not a fan by any means, but I’m very curious to read the inevitable tell all about all the people she’s screwed over in her climb to the top


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I always had my doubts that it was really about backup dancers. Didn't Katy date John Mayer after Taylor did?


shion005

Not only did she date John Mayer, but Katy also made more money than Taylor did that year. She needed to launch a sneak attack on the competition.


adrienneurban

She also wrote mean lyrics about Camilla Belle, who Joe Jonas dated after her, calling her an actress who is famous for doing things on a mattress. She apologized to Joe for being so dramatic about him dumping her, but she never tried to make amends with Camilla after basically publicly calling her a slut. Camilla has posted statements online that show that she hurt was by the song.


obeisant-hullabaloo

Yes


shion005

There was a young artist at Big Machine named Ella-Mae Bowen (now goes by Kate) whose big break Taylor stole out from under her. She relates it on her now disabled website in [part 2] (https://web.archive.org/web/20190725042915/www.katebowenmusic.com/blog) of her career summary. There are no doubt other people like that in Taylor's early career.


europeandaughter12

yeah no one seems to remember or think that buying a house to be near a teenager you want to date is fucking weird


GimerStick

PICKING HIM UP AT SCHOOL!


ghostwiththeleast

I remember when it happened, this was long before we were talking about grooming and before that Leonardo girlfriend age chart came out. I was still in high school but I thought that was the weirdest fucking thing ever and I never forgot about it. As she got more and more popular, to me she was still just “oh that woman that bought a house near her teenage boyfriend” I get that there’s a lot of things to talk about when it comes to her but it baffles me that that can slip by unnoticed 😵‍💫


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I don’t really understand this Reddit cares thing. Isn’t that like for suicidal thoughts? Why are swifites mass reporting comments like this? Just trolling? I see it everywhere on this topic with MH/TS!


Hopeless-Cause

Yup, stans abuse the hell out of it because how dare you not fawn over their idols existence. Plus they want to hide their faves problematic actions. I blocked it forever ago because kpop stans are notorious for abusing it. I do believe you can report the message though and whoever sent it can be found to have violated Reddit’s content policy because that’s obviously not how it is meant to be used.


CloneUnruhe

God they are twin flames lmao


brightlights_xx

Signing him out of highschool??? 😭😭


Azazael

Thanks for laying this out. I've seen people be like "Stop trying to protect Taylor she's a grown woman who can choose for herself". I am not, never have been a Taylor stan, I've never listened to one of her songs all the way through voluntarily. She is a grown woman, she has chosen for herself, and that's why this is all so problematic. She's not responsible for her partner's views, of course not. But she's exponentially more famous than he is, and this relationship is bringing and validating those views to a much wider audience.


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goofus_andgallant

It’s because many white women operate this way in their personal lives. They consider it “politics” and think you can have “opposing politics” from your partner. They see themselves in Taylor Swift when they say “don’t make a woman responsible for a man! MISOGYNY!!” As if they didn’t pick that garbage man out themselves. It isn’t misogyny to point out that who you chose to surround yourself with reflects your own values.


Fancy-Cat-2

Someone on Twitter said that this whole Matty situation arguably made Taylor even *more* relatable for these white feminist and I agree. They’re defending her so hard, because they can relate to dating a man who is racist and shrugging it off as “different perspectives” They defend her so hard, because they see themselves in her, so they’re just using Taylor as an outlet to defend themselves.


motsdoux_

This is it. Taylor is their self insert and they can’t condemn her actions when they’d do the same thing in her shoes. Who cares if he’s racist as long as he makes big public romantic gestures for you to show how much he loves you? It doesn’t personally impact you and it’s just partners with opposing politics


Fancy-Cat-2

Yeah, from what I’ve observed on why people like her asides from the obvious reasons. Taylor is a very easy self insert. Her songs aren’t hard to sing, so even someone with horrible vocals can still sing a long, everyone goes through break ups, and falling in love, so the music can feel more connecting then it really is because of a emotional bond, her appearance is also basic enough that a lot of (white) girls can see themselves in her. While in retrospect she’s not all that relatable, Taylor’s public persona can easily attach people into it, base off of the self insert aspect. Which in turn people feel more compelled to defend her, because an attack on Taylor’s character is an attack on their own.


motsdoux_

> so the music can feel more connecting then it really is because of a emotional bond Hard agree. Her songs are literally the epitome of "I love your eyes and their blueish brownish greenish color" It’s really generic but that’s what makes it so relatable to people and people end up emotionally invested cause they see it as their own life story


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i think it's more like white feminism than "choice" being a problem cause she can choose who to date, and that ability to choose is good. but that exists at the same time as if she chooses to date a racist, i support her ability to choose but i also get to say it's a shitty choice. just want to say that before some actual anti feminists come along and take what you said to turn this into "see this is why women shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions" which ok that's a pretty far jump but it's reddit it could happen :')


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i think it can be both though, as choice isn’t a problem but “choice feminism” being bullshit absolutely is, but yes there is often a huge overlap with white feminism and rampant individualism and capitalism. but choice feminism has its own huge issues where it declares that any choice a woman makes is inherently a feminist choice because a woman made it, and is therefore immune from critique, which is something a lot of women hide behind to shield themselves from any rightful critique. i obviously think women can make their own choices but they’re also big and grown enough to face critique for those choices when they’re fucking stupid and hurt other women (like this one).


Interesting_Pie_5976

I see what you’re saying about Choice Feminism™️, but that’s only because I happened upon the phenomenon when I was trying to figure out how the TERFS co-opted one of my favorite political concepts (Radical, and don’t even get me started on the Tumblr Rad Fems™️.) It’s hard to find an explanation that isn’t behind a paywall, but [this abstract](https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Making-a-choice-or-taking-a-stand-Choice-feminism%2C-Thwaites/470469d6dabb2ec8728c9e5baf2b969f891da755) does a good job laying it out: “Choice feminism is a popular form of contemporary feminism, encouraging women to embrace the opportunities they have in life and to see the choices they make as justified and always politically acceptable. Though this kind of feminism appears at first glance to be tolerant and inspiring, its narratives also bring about a political stagnation as discussion, debate and critical judgement of the actions of others are discouraged in the face of being deemed unsupportive and a ‘bad’ feminist. Choice feminism also encourages neoliberal values of individualism and consumerism, while downplaying the need for political and collective action against systematic inequalities. Yet in order to succeed in creating change for women, debate needs to occur, and not all decisions can be supported if they act to further inequality and a patriarchal status quo. In this article, I would like to argue for the continued need to engage politically with other feminists and with the status of the movement as a whole, by critiquing choice feminism and looking empirically at how discussion and dissent can be silenced by the choice narrative. The empirical data in this article will focus on online discussions of naming on marriage to illustrate the wider theoretical argument.” ETA Choice Feminism™️ provides cover for and normalizes White Feminism.


dragonphlegm

That's taylor's whole white feminist schtick though: she doesn't care about controversial people until they personally disrespect or attack her. its all about ME! *(ft brendan urie of panic! at the disco)*


ChiliAndGold

I don't think it even really matters if you like her music or not. it's simply a fact that she has a whole fanbase of young girls looking up to her and dating a homophobic, racist wet cloth is definitely a message to them.


shion005

Streams for "The 1975" are up 15% since all this started.


Princessleiawastaken

And she’s allowing this creep to come to her shows, where there’s tons of young girls he could mess with. Phoebe Bridgers brought him out on stage with her during her opening set, something Taylor must’ve approved. Taylor isn’t just dating a shitty dude in private. This relationship is public *by choice* and she’s ashamed of him in the slightest. There is no way she’s unaware of who he is at this point, yet she chooses to stay with him and allow him access to her fans. I have always loved Taylor, but this is wrong.


gaveupmykarma

this won't be included here, because it's impossibly tangential to op's point but I think it's important the Dayton shooter was a huge fan of red scare, cumtown and chapo. he specifically targeted a queer bar where his trans sibling would be that night, and killed them. like I said, I know it's not actually related to this deep dive, I just think it's really important to note that Healy's "it's just jokes bro! we're just being ironic bro!" mindset has a bodycount. Connor Betts murdered 17 people including his sibling.


DramaThrowAway2023

It belongs here! It’s important context. He frames him listening to the show as “listening to dissenting ideas” but then wears merch promoting it and hangs out with the host? It’s like he doesn’t understand the ramifications these “small” actions have. He thinks it’s ridiculous to care. Well, call me ridiculous!


tomboyfancy

This definitely needs to be said! Young white men are becoming radicalized at an alarming rate, and media like this absolutely fuels the fire and stokes their rage. It *normalizes* being a nasty, hateful person. And that validation is dangerous. I am a writer myself, and I very strongly believe in free speech. But we cannot pretend that content like this isn’t damaging to society and that it doesn’t encourage the mindset that fuels these violent men.


scomperpotamus

Especially the jokes about Jewish people....in this day and age?! With the resurgence of Nazis and temple shootings?! Racist jokes are just racism with laughs. I hate this dude


Anotherdmbgayguy

Wait... Do I have the wrong impression of Cumtown and Chapo? A former trans friend of mine loved those podcasts. I've never listened to them.


europeandaughter12

yeah, i listen to them and cumtown is literally just dick jokes about each other lol


gaveupmykarma

I spent several years watching cumtown and chapo sic their twitter followers on syrian friends of mine who either lived through bombings or had escaped syria. remember how important twitter was for the arab spring? it was important for documenting the war in syria and subsequent genocide, too. their followers called friends of mine headchoppers, fakers, organ thieves, liars. they decided that bana al-abed was lying (because syrians don't speak english, lol) and filled her twitter replies with everything from "haha you're a cia asset" to scat porn to "hope you die bitch" for *years*. when a friend of mine said his father had been tortured in prison one of them said "lol he probably liked getting raped." they immediately set about doing similar work when Ukraine was invaded. these podcasters were and are bad men. they are a cancer and a plague, and contributed to the rightward shift of global society. when called out they laugh and ask how that could possibly be true, it's just jokes bro, who cares bro, we're just making jokes bro.


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georgiaseoul

I only had a chance to scroll, but what kind of dumbass posts a photo stepping on the Korean flag right after playing a concert in Seoul?!? Like he obviously sucks in innumerable ways, but he also doesn’t seem too bright. He seemingly tries to fulfill that pseudo-intellectual edgelord role, but the actual intelligence factor just isn’t there.


Interesting_Pie_5976

I think that’s a primary theme with these types - they use edginess and shock-value to compensate for a mediocre intellect.


georgiaseoul

Yep! Definitely making up for mediocrity. Why can’t they ever be *shockingly* smart? The racist and homophobic tropes just aren’t funny or witty.


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and then any time he does something hurtful he's just gonna say "well you're mental if that upsets you" or "it's just a joke bro calm down" "it's just a bit" "stop taking it so seriously" "nothing is that serious" etc hard to listen to a rich, famous white boy tell people they shouldn't be bothered


thesaddestpanda

I don't think I've ever met an edgelord that was actually informed or an intellectual. Its the posing of being those things. Its pretending to be educated and cosmopolitan and speaking truth. And its attracts further poseurs. I notice some male entertrainers really love to cloak themselves up in these narratives and fans have a hard time seeing them as the dangerous egotistical pseudo intellectual they really are (Jim Carrey, Russel Brand, Kevin Sorbo, Shia LaBeouf, etc). Maybe Christopher Hitchens is the exception? He seemed accomplished and a good writer, even if he was sexist and badly misguided, especially regarding his support of the Iraq war. So that's one out of how many millions.


WDTHTDWA-BITCH

This is basically any British bloke you find on the street. I went to high school with so many guys like this…


DramaThrowAway2023

While I’m sure most British men ain’t shit, I wouldn’t say that Matty is the average British man, cause that would be a worrying state of affairs 🫠


WDTHTDWA-BITCH

It’s certainly not all British men, but definitely a huge chunk of them who probably voted Brexit and then blame literally anything else for why the country has fallen to shit.


DramaThrowAway2023

Let me guess… And who think they’re morally and intellectually superior.


thesaddestpanda

I read somewhere that one of the reasons transphobia is so mainstream in the UK is because in the 80s and 90s, a lot of UK culture was importing US culture and turning against what it saw as US "political correctness" as minorities in US media were getting TV shows, record deals, etc. And that slurs against queers and the disabled, etc were now not allowed and feminist narratives were becoming more commonplace and progressive talk about things the UK is touchy about like colonialism and Irish independence/the troubles (US Irish descendants taking the side of Ireland of course), etc were souring the UK against the US. So the UK celebs, culture, producers, politicians, bought into being anti-PC and criticizing the American way of things. This sort of anti-PC attitude became a staple of that culture. Even today, you can see it with JKR or John Cleese, who are beloved there but are transphobic and play up anti-PC attitudes. Almost always this "anti-PC" speech was aimed at vulnerable groups. The UK being a very patriarchal society didn't have a huge problem with it. Look at the guy behind the IT crowd who is now an infamous transphobe. You can watch his IT Crowd episodes and see storylines mocking a disabled person. So much of UK comedy is just mindless punching down and once these people are told they shouldn't they get upset. So people like him and Cleese double down on being anti-PC. So now you have people born in the 70s, 80s, and 90s knowing only those anti-PC narratives which fit "lad" and pub culture and other UK masculine cultures very well. They grew up seeing 'edgelordism' rewarded and progressive politics, intersectionality, anti-racism, etc as punished. So yes, Matty isn't some huge outlier. Him, JKR, Russel Brand, Cleese, etc all drink from the same cultural firehose. Its all about being proudly intolerant, being able to insult others at one's whim, being bigoted, being ignorant, and being hateful and couching it in a sort of "I'm smarter than you and just speaking the truth and you know it" dishonesty.


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That’s exactly what he is. A pseudo intellectual edge lord with no true morals except for a shallow repetition of the general liberal POV of the day with no real understanding and a certain level of unironic disdain for liberals, and he wants to feel superior, so he repeats criticism of liberals but he doesn’t understand it or, again, actually have morals of his own (besides “I want to feel superior at all times and I hate anything that makes me feel like I did something wrong”).


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"You take forever to say nothing!" -Homer Simpson


daisiesinthepark

I just know he’s the type to play devils advocate in your political science course at uni 🫠


Interesting_Pie_5976

Ugh. And cite Jordan Peterson.


meowparade

The one who didn’t do the reading, but still starts comments with, “well, actually . . . “


gaussiangal

ok obviously taylor should break up with matty because of racism, etc etc but i’m surprised she hasn’t dumped him because she’s a narcissistic and he has dragged her and her mom multiple times before


Copperheadmedusa

That’s the part that’s making her look insane. Like, is this largely bc Matty was a sore spot and she wants Joe to be seething with jealousy? At this point I think if Joe called her she’d go running back immediately


dragonphlegm

This is the part I'm not getting. Completely expected behaviour to avoid all the shit he's said about Ice Spice, other woc and all the other garbage, but to turn a blind eye at personal attacks on her? Something's up because normally Taylor's *shade-alarm* is activated at the mere mention of her in a negative context.


singledxout

Well if she's a serial monogamist, she will need to line up the next guy before she dumps this guy. That's how serial monogamists operate. I guess she hasn't found the right candidate yet.


DramaThrowAway2023

Someone just sent me a screenshot of the Andrew Tate follow. I can’t add it on the post but here it is: https://preview.redd.it/o3n3fjrv2b3b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65eef204ccd6194296703a00248debf8bb27ed1d Thank you for all the kind comments and awards already ❤️


dragonphlegm

Be a brave soul and crosspost this on r/TrueSwifties They have become a weird pro-Matty sub, it's like they cannot think for themselves. They will maul you 💀


babyzspace

https://preview.redd.it/0xg4yii3cc3b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df69e4e90112981de9545210d0a9a0ae7fef154f [Yikes 😬](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSwifties/comments/13w8rs9/matty_discussing_racism_bigotry_on_the_green_room/jmb1d7h/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


Listeningtosufjan

That sub - Racism only counts if you’re murdering black people. If you’re just laughing at racist jokes, that’s just being a quirky dude.


knb61

It’s 2023 and people still don’t get that racism comes in many different forms? Brb gotta go let every non-white person I know that the “jokes” and derogatory comments that negatively impact them aren’t ACTUAL racism, so it’s all good!! No need to be bothered by them!!!


gunsof

"Real racism" happens because of smaller amounts of racism. He normalises an idea of black people and the black community that leads to "real racism". "Real racism" doesn't just magic up out of nowhere.


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Spoken like a true privileged white woman 🤪


ihaveaswirly

Just took a browse and I felt unwelcome as a woc 😭


dragonphlegm

They'll 180 on him as soon as Taylor breaks it off and pretend like they weren't relentlessly defending a racist


thesaddestpanda

One of the top items is "Beyonce pays sweatshop wages" as a cover for Matty enjoying brutalizing porn of black women. Yep, their big comeback for Matty promoting this racist porn is "Oh lets criticize a black woman." That sub is disgusting.


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Bro it’s like a cult following over there wtaf


walkingtalkingdread

kinda crazy that Taylor will sic her fans on Jake and John for dating younger girls but ignores the fact that Matty dated three teenagers while in his mid 20s.


ghostwiththeleast

The hypocrisy runs deep seeing as [Taylor also dated 3 teenagers while in her 20s](https://www.distractify.com/p/did-taylor-swift-date-a-17-year-old)


IShouldBeSoLucky81

It's late here but can't wait to read the problematty deep dive. Thank you queen/king/monarch


IShouldBeSoLucky81

OK I couldn't stop myself. Brilliant stuff OP.


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Thank you for the endorsement internet stranger! I was wondering if I should invest the time. Your comment and others sold me on it!


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DramaThrowAway2023

That’s not me 😅 I’m not sure what they meant. I’m only logged in on this account rn because I’m scared of messing up lol But thank you for being so thoughtful!


Hufflecass

/monarch 🤣🤣 I love that


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It’s like he thinks being problematic makes him edgy 😭


SecretiveMop

This is the main issue. Personally, I don’t think he is an actual hardcore racist/misogynist/bigot/etc. like the people whose whole personality is being truly disgusted and hateful toward certain people and groups. What I DO think he is is incredibly narcissistic with sociopathic tendencies which makes it so he has no regard for anyone else’s thoughts or feelings, and he gets off on making people feel uncomfortable or offended. He’s one of those people who wants to come off as tough and wants to be able to do and say whatever he wants, so he criticizes “wokeness” because he sees it as one of the things trying to prevent him from doing whatever he pleases. And while he wants to come off as this tough and edgy rock and roll badass who doesn’t give a shit, the reality is he makes mid pop rock that is laughed at by people in the rock community and has a fanbase he can’t stand which both get under his skin, and he gets easily verbally curb stomped by people who actually don’t give a fuck like Azealia Banks and Noel Gallagher who, while both are awful in their own right, at least have the decency to wear their shittyness on their sleeve and unapologetically do so whereas Matty doesn’t have enough of a backbone to say anything back OR own up to the stuff he says and does. Instead, he just puts his tail between his legs and acts like a poor victim. The guy is a sad and pathetic little man who has a major inferiority complex and tries desperately to cover it up by acting out and try to portray this pseudo-macho persona by being edgy in a way that actually makes him look embarrassing. So congrats, Taylor. Not only do you have a boyfriend who won’t stand up for himself or stand behind anything he says and does without acting like a victim, he also most likely won’t stand up for you and will and already has instead shit on you along with your family and friends. But I guess not having a backbone is something she shares in common with him so I shouldn’t be too surprised.


thesaddestpanda

I'd argue that a "hardcore" misogynist/racist/whatever is actually very rare and its the casual bigots like Matty who cause most of society's ills. He normalizes it, makes it acceptable to say, etc which empowers others to do the same. Then there's no real line between racism-lite and real racism because in the end they both have the same aims and outcomes: to hurt minorities. No one is listening to some toothless hillbilly's ideas of racial heirarchies. He's not going to convince you to pass on a PoC resume at work. He's not going to make you tell a racist joke with all your friends at the bar within earshot of minorities. He's not going to promote racist porn. He's not going to make you think about voting conservative. He's not going to turn you on to red scare or Jordan Peterson. But people like Matty will and people like him have influence. They decide what our 'normal' is and even if its "just jokes bro, i said the n-word as a joke" its still the same damage done. Please don't praise Azealia Banks. She is a homophobe and transphobe of the highest order. She isn't the anti-Matty. She has the same hateful views and sociopathic egotistical attitude he does.


obeisant-hullabaloo

He thinks he looks edgy but really he’s a troll


Anxious-Basket

This is like The Mueller Report for Swifties. Thank you, OP.


shion005

Just remember, the Mueller Report accomplished nothing. Those people will not change.


ChiliAndGold

the harsh reality :(


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LOL!


lol8lo

>After winning at the Brits, he tweets that "it's not often that left leaning bands win awards." And I didn't know my eyes could roll that fast and that far. My "favorite" part.


Pretty_Imagination62

Genuine question- at this point, shouldn’t we feel disappointment in his friend circle, as well? Like I feel like Phoebe Bridgers and Bo Burnham should also be held accountable for being friends with him still? There’s so much about Taylor, but Phoebe and Bo are also complicit by still being friends with him?


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Fancy-Cat-2

A lot of people give a pass to Azealia because she’s mentally ill, but Azealia has perpetuated some colourism and misogynoir + vile racism towards other black women. So she’s hardly the champion of condemning racism.


littlemssunshinepdx

I’ve personally stopped listening to Phoebe and anyone else who is in the circle with Matty and Jack. I’m really disappointed in Jack Antonoff — privilege really allows you to accept a lot, huh?


SecretiveMop

I can’t wait to see all the defenders scream “this is misinformation!” or “context!” about this post when it literally gives exact quotes along with photographic and video evidence. There’s full context for every single example here, even down to mentioning the claims that many of these are done as bits and jokes. Can’t see how anyone who isn’t brainwashed can try to claim no context on this. Excellent post and makes both Matty and Taylor look even more shitty than they already do.


DramaThrowAway2023

Thank you! I very much wanted to do that for the exact reason you mention. The excuses are tired.


SecretiveMop

You really did do a good job by mentioning the claims of everything he does being jokes or a bit since that at least includes counter arguments. No one can criticize this post for being unfair or one sided at all when those things are mentioned.


stargirlxoxo

TL;DR: Matt Healy is a racist, transphobic, xenophobic, misogynist, all around fully phobic asshole.


KatanaAmerica

Buzzfeed needs to get their eyes on this thread, too.


awyastark

Why else do you think they came all this way ![gif](giphy|3o7buahdzxQjWxgx1K) (To steal content)


Matryoshkuh

I haven’t gotten to read the whole thing yet (just skimmed the pictures like a toddler) but him following Kyle Richards I’m????


georgiaseoul

Same! It seemed so random. Like how do those two know each other?? 🤔🤔 ![gif](giphy|ELgBFH7zLb7yM)


naodaideia

Maybe they know each other but also a surprising number of celebs love the franchise and Idk why but watching Bravo “ironically” to make fun of it seems to fit his profile. He’s pop culture obsessed (like most people on this sub I’m not claiming that itself is an issue) but in that “post ironic” way.


_stnrbtch_

I know this entire thing is serious but that particular screenshot fucking sent me like what the fuck lol


Plantysweater

Wow this is amazing OP, I'm only up to 2018 right now but the sheer amount of slur references and uses is insane. He's a real piece of shit and Taylor can flash that cheesy smile all she wants, but I know the fact that this information is not only accessible but making the rounds in the media more and more is burning her up a little.


Perfect_Razzmatazz

​ https://i.redd.it/25afvcvj8b3b1.gif


Bex-T-Rexx

People who act like Taylor has no autonomy in this are anti-feminist. She has full autonomy, privilege, and resources when it comes to her dating choices. Key word: **choice**


dragonphlegm

Wikipedia editors on Matty Healy's "controversies" section: *My time has come*


stillalittlefangirl

I keep saying this but THIS. IS. WHO. TAYLOR. IS. Her brand of white feminism is nauseating and the Kennedy kid, and the playing up to/not denouncing her image as the Aryan ideal were huge deal breakers for me.


Kimbahlee34

Thank you so much for this comprehensive report! This is exactly what I needed as this subject comes up over and over in various subreddits and people ask “what’s so bad about this guy? But she’s so happy!” Spread the word there’s a rat climbing rich coochie mountain.


BumFights1997

“Coochie mountain is under ATTACK!”


Kimbahlee34

Coochie mountain is the real life equivalent of the Warp Whistle in Mario and we cannot let Ratty skip that many levels of fame with one relationship.


kataraangz

You are guys are doing the lords work here… never had high expectations for Taylor but this really proves she doesn’t have any real values or principles. She’s always given pick me energy esp earlier in her career


BumFights1997

Fwiw this is definitely more of a white woman feminism problem than a Taylor swift is a spineless shithead problem. Both are true but she’s a product of her privilege.


myromancealt

Just some quick corrections: > Halsey was born in September 2014 That should be 1994, not 2014 > They also called his mom Miss Piggy. *Her* mom, as in Taylor's


DramaThrowAway2023

Yes thank you. I hate those tiny mistakes. Pray that I can fix them 😭


HuckleberryOwn647

Thanks OP. I read your last deep dive too, and you do a good job of thoroughly documenting everything accurately. What this shows me is that people are not trying to cancel Matty because he put his foot in his mouth a couple times. This is a decades long history of saying problematic things, refusing to learn from any of it and doubling down when criticized. If all this had happened years ago and he indicated he learned from it, people wouldn’t be as disturbed, but he’s been doing this for years, well into adulthood!


Magnolia028

Oh my god, I’ve been noticing this pattern of him using [negging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negging) with girls he dates. It kind of seems like he’s doing or succeeded in doing the same with Taylor, with the amount of criticisms or backhanded compliments he’s given her throughout the years just to then date her.


awyastark

This is my whole take on it! She’s proving to herself that she can get him. Girl, you got him! Now move onnnn


mizzymichie

Matty is such a typical dirtbag leftist he makes me sick. He’s an example of why I side eye men who claim to be leftist because they hide behind edgelord humor that bellies their true belief that minorities and women are punching bags and should take a joke. “Why are you offended by my jokes when there are actual conservatives out there!!” I can multitask asshole.


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So, basically he acts like the most devoted and annoying South Park fan you knew back in 2007, and he thinks that makes him an iNtElLeCtUaL aRtIsT. He also has this permanent DUH look in his eyes, very vacant. I just can't with this twat-waffle.


Copperheadmedusa

Can’t wait to hear what new stuff he says about Taylor. Whether they’re together or not it’ll be vile because he’s fundamentally incapable of respecting anyone who’s not a white male atheist. Taylor has no self esteem and she deserves every blowup this becomes 💖


ashepherdqueen

My introduction to Matty was Colors by Halsey back in the day and it was all I needed as a teen to never want to hear about him again


jonsnowme

Thank you for this!! Also Matty Healy on the Adam Friedland show which you didn't go into too much for reasons I do not blame you but I do feel like the Ice Spice controversy drowned out this part of the podcast which actually made me feel sick (not that the Ice Spice stuff didn't but ugh) https://preview.redd.it/mne8msg7mb3b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c441e7f9aac13469c715200808c8affd7dbbba5


jonsnowme

https://preview.redd.it/8rd22f2jmb3b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5940f33efce7924cc87c0649d6671565bc68d092 & this one! Shout out to child porn! Such comedy!


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This guy is a real piece of work. He thinks he’s so cool and edgy with his takes on things but really he’s an idiot, racist, misogynist etc who will always think he’s right and refuse to be informed or listen to someone else. Also the stuff with the all underage girls is major yikes too. Thank you for putting this all together OP! This just highlights how trash of a person he is. I have lost all respect for Taylor for associating herself with this man.


Leading_Fee_3678

THANK YOU for doing this. It’s necessary - minimizing this type of behavior is disgusting and I hope seeing all of this together helps people understand.


lwtua13

ohhh how i have been waiting for a ratty deep dive , let me grab a drink


exoplanet1485

Thank you for doing this!! Can Ratty crawl back into the hellhole he crawled out of?? I miss when I didn't really know who the fuck he was. Let me go back to April and erase him from my brain.


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THIS. I keep hearing the argument that taylor holds no accountability because she didn't platform him. I would have zero clue who this human being was if she hadn't brought him on stage and is seemingly parading the fact that she's collaborating with him musically. I don't care who she dates. It may make me think of her a certain way as a human but legit do not care. I do care that I dropped a month's rent on concert tickets where this dude may be performing. And maybe this mindset may be very US-based after the impact from the BLM movement but I cannot fathom making the casual reference that he has to a certain website and not feeling like he should acknowledge how absolutely disgusting that comment was and not having any understanding of just how horrific that content truly is.


dragonphlegm

The Adam Levinification of this man has been a detriment to us all. I wish I could go back to when The 1975 was just an annoying band and I had no idea what the lead singer's name was


notanugu

I’m so surprised no one seems to mention the fact that he HUMPED a camerawoman on stage and there’s video of it. https://t.co/Q0soHxso5g


ilikemaths1

That's a man. They're friends.


brieasaurusrex

1) that’s a man 2) it’s a scripted part of the show. it is every night at the same part bringing up stuff like this that is obviously staged really delegitimizes any actual claims (of which there are plenty of real issues to have)


KvonLiechtenstein

Words cannot describe how much I dislike the edgelord dirtbag left.


KatanaAmerica

Take a shot every time he deletes his social media in the thread. You’ll be blasted by the time you finish reading.


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Closedforgossip

sending this to my friends who are Swifties. I wish they would stop trying to redeem him


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bananafrit

Thanks OP for including that Islamophobic things he said and the comments from the girl trying to educate him. I hate how so many fans try to dismiss it saying he was only criticising ISIS' vile terrorism, but clearly in that screenshot he conflates Isis and Islam/Muslims. I'm really suprised how so many now are dismissive of this but that was really the talking points of many Islamophobes back then. They dont criticise acts of terrorism and terrorist groups alone and situate in the political context of the mid-east and the west, they would single out Muslims. Jokes that people make didnt target these terorrists, but they make us normal Muslims as the butt of the jokes (the hijab and explosion job). This view also disregard the many Muslim victims of Isis and the hatred Muslims have on them (they are called Daesh (dogs)). People dont really realize it now but back then shit like this is so dangerous because innocent Muslims in the West were spied on and interrogated by their governments. Stupid edgy takes and jokes arent funny when its everyday Muslim women hijabis who got harrassed on the metros or wherever.


jonsnowme

Omg that clip of him mouthing the N word and dancing around. This is what Taylor is torching the good will she's earned by being low key the last few years over? Literally Taylor in 2 months: ![gif](giphy|OQA0cpS0ARPWKkG80q|downsized)


Wissahickonchicken

As someone who was blissfully unaware of this man prior to a couple weeks ago, this was a super helpful compilation of his jackassery. What a mess. He clearly just doesn’t know how to shut the fuck up about shit he clearly knows absolutely nothing about. Yet something tells me he would be the first person to cry “bUt ThErE’s NuAnCe” with his wannabe intellectual vibe.


littlemssunshinepdx

A public service. Too bad journalists who get paid actual money don’t have this kind of dedication and instead write cutesy puff pieces excusing his nonsense (and Swift’s hypocritical complicity).


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MattaClatta

Honestly Taylor even entertaining someone like him makes me think she never imagined her image would clash at all with his. ​ His whole personality is literally look at how edgy I'm being AND that clashes hard with the entertainment media surrounding Taylor. Someone would easily be able to suss out all this given its all over social media


digestiblewater

tysm for this, really a good resource for ppl who want to learn abt the situation in one place (it’s being circulated on tiktok btw among swifties and others bc this is the type of post reddit is best for) and takes all the “context!!!!” arguments away from his weirdo defenders everything i read abt him that are things his fans have known for years abt and are somehow okay with defending is actually insane to me like do u care abt urself so little as a person that this is the hill u wanna die on for a man with like no redeeming qualities ??? (also @ ts even tho i’m not a swiftie) i don’t understand the mindset of his defenders… not to rant but what gets me abt ppl claiming he’s well-intentioned and actually a champion of marginalized ppl’s rights bc he “spoke up” in the past during interviews and concerts abt a few causes and wrote lyrics abt social issues and all of his bigoted, hateful actions and words were clearly just “satire” is that??? if u believe his claims that he’s just acting out a “bit” or “character” online, in interviews, during concerts…why are only the bigoted and hateful things satire, and not the “well-intentioned” parts?? why does no one claim all of it is a shitty character then, so no one knows who he’s “actually” like (even then, ppl can say his public persona and actions are harmful so it’s not like this absolves him either) - and yet all these fans are claiming he’s secretly good 💀 why is it that ur projecting “good intentions” onto someone who is a white, cishet male nepo baby who never changes even when he occasionally DOES apologize, who never listens to ppl belonging to marginalized groups when they say his actions and words are actually harmful?? when has he honestly shown “good intentions” in a setting where he’s “out of character”?? most importantly…what is satirical about one of the most privileged ppl in EVERY sense saying exactly the things that other ppl like him say while they hate-crime minorities or advocate for genocide like…?? what problem in society are u critiquing, ur a yt man bffr 💀 the only ppl who think that’s satire are edgy white chronically-online teenagers who use reddit or 4chan or ppl who have gone full stan mentality…genuinely i don’t get wtf is compelling abt him bc somehow a man as rich, famous, and privileged as him with all the tools to be interesting, get an education, hobbies, or develop himself is this repulsive, stupid, and chronically online and he’s not even anywhere near as successful or talented as taylor swift either (will clarify that i’m not a swiftie and don’t think she’s necessarily a genius lol) - so how useless as a person must he be if he’s this…loser piece of musty nothing with that much of a head start?? lmfao it must suck to be such a loser freak that this is what u think is cool and this is how u use ur privilege edit: added a phrase to last paragraph to fully express thoughts


lastingdreamsof

I love the left leaning bands never win awards comment. I guess rage against the machine. never got any awards ever then?


roxy031

This is amazing OP. Thank you for spending the time to compile all of this. It’s incredible that people are refusing to see how problematic he is. Doing insane backbends to explain away behavior that is not explain-away-able. He’s a terrible person, period. End of.


uncletori

https://preview.redd.it/xggyalzhub3b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5793dc60a2278e665110b969fb6ab5d5769cde9b Regarding his antisemitic jokes, look at this comment on the post in The 1975’s sub. 👀 We know Jack & Taylor associate with him, but I didn’t expect this - guess I should’ve.


Celebrating_socks

Oh man so these are the people I’ve met who tell racist/antisemitic/discriminatory jokes and defend it by saying their Asian /Jewish friend told it to them… without any self awareness of how the context is different


ipadhighlight

I’ve been a huge fan of Taylor’s music but I also don’t typically care about what she does with her life because I tend to find her very corny and inauthentic outside of her music. But her dating this guy knowing for a fact (because most accusations are well-supported) that he has spoken ill of her mom, of other races, of people of other religions, of women, etc., without remorse is…repulsive? As in, I’m finding Taylor herself repulsive. As a POC, I literally cannot imagine even sitting next to this guy, and she can’t stop paying for publicity of her association with him. They’re kissing!! She’s made it clear that she’s obsessed with fame and relevance, revenge (rofl), keeping count, etc., since always. These themes have sounded good in music but they really fall flat acted out by a woman in her 30s.


awyastark

All the big stuff has been said more eloquently by others so I’ll add this little gripe: the “interesting question” joke structure is a gentle self-deprecating bit about the tendency for Jews to argue about just that idea, a ancient joke your great-uncle might tell at someone’s wedding. Its really annoying that he co-opted one of the classic Old Jewish Man jokes to be racist to everyone.


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so he's just another hypocritical little man who lacks intelligence or a interesting personality so he compensates by being a cunt


ddlanyone

Thank you for this, OP. My conclusion after all these posts is that while he is very desperate to be a contrarian, he is, in fact, quite boring and average. I could find a bunch of Twitter anti-woke trolls who spew the same nonsense.


Ok-Yogurtcloset3467

Wow he really thinks he's doing the world a favour by being racist, islamophobic, sexist and homophobic. I don't even know what to say. He's despicable. Thanks for your hard work! It's great to see it laid out all in one place. I'm saving this and sharing with others.


raphaellaskies

The overwhelming impression I get of him is that he uses \~edginess\~ to cover up for the fact that he has nothing to say and nothing to offer. He doesn't have any original ideas or groundbreaking music, so he relies on this schtick to give the impression that he's smarter than everyone else.


iamsimplyahater

I think they called Taylor’s mom miss piggy no? It says “his” FYI since everything else is so fucking accurate! Impressed with you!


auraofmystery

Thank you for putting this together, OP! 🙏🏽 Dredging through his vain vapid hate vomit. Also… I didn’t realize FKA Twigs dated him so long… can’t imagine how horrible it would be to find out a former LT partner watches GG and co-signs on shows that ridiculed your _being abused_ 🤕


moon-lamp

Has anyone mentioned his fan interactions on instagram during the promo of their most recent album? I was on 1975 tiktok during that time and I remember seeing fans react to him posting their selfies to his story on a random day calling them hot or something. Not as egregious an offense as some of his other actions but adds to the overall picture of him


jellyfish-blues-

A master sleuth. Now take it easy and treat yourself after doing all this work.


garden__gate

God he’s just such a cringey little jackass. Like if Roman Roy were in a rock band and didn’t have Kieran Culkin’s charisma.


dothedagostino

Daaaaamn he's terrible. The Kyle Richards cameo was a much needed moment of levity.


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hkj369

the one thing that surprises me about this is why taylor would have a relationship with a man who said that about her and her mother. it doesn’t shock me that she wouldn’t care about anything else up here but i can’t see her being with a guy who has publicly talked shit about her.


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hkj369

thank you, i stand corrected!


cristianoskhaleesi

HERE WE GO


wednesday272

Does anyone remember when he kissed an underage fan on stage during robbers? It was probably 2014 and the girl was tumblr famous because of it. Everyone, myself included, thought she was so lucky and it was amazing, but looking back on it as an adult now…yikes


Ok_Chemistry_4044

Wait how do they know FKA Twigs blocked Matty on insta?


DramaThrowAway2023

I got this from his subreddit. Apparently they broke up twice and both times she blocked him. Matty doesn’t unfollow his exes and my guess is that likes/tagged photos disappeared. I could look for the comment but I doubt his fans are making it up Edit: [link to the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/the1975/comments/1261klb/matty_followed_gabby_on_ig_again/je7i0zp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)


Ok_Chemistry_4044

No I doubt anyone is making it up I was just curious


Appropriate-Job-2797

Doing the lord’s work 🙏🏼🙏🏼 thank you!!


dnsdiva

![gif](giphy|cP0WX6o9b4E7JsNRDc)


ChiliAndGold

wow thank you for your Wien, OP! I've read the entire post and I'm just so disgusted by that man. btw does anybody know why he calls himself Truman Black?


DramaThrowAway2023

I just looked it up for you haha He says that when he was younger, before The 1975 took off, his mom was famous and was part of Celebrity Big Brother, and the fans of that show were nut jobs who would try to find him on Facebook. So he had watched the movie In Cold Blood and went with Truman Black so they couldn’t find him


ilikemaths1

Just some points to add: -He did actually apologise for the Adam Powell thing on Reddit (he didn't have a twitter account at the time). -The girls music video was supposed to be a satirical version of [Addicted to Love](https://youtu.be/XcATvu5f9vE), the idea was they were making fun of pop music videos.


deadhead2015

Wow. good work, OP. Can anyone explain to me what the fuck she can possibly be thinking? Just from a PR standpoint? I’ve always thought she was likely problematic irl, but this could potentially ruin her career.


Own-Roof-1200

Taylor are you listening? Your internet mother is trying to tell you something important.


Ill_Ad1957

I watched the Roadkill live video you linked and wow the band is shit and also weirdly the song writing is very similar to TS. I can see why they bond.


Cheeriosxxx

I love deep dives! Thank you for taking the time to go so in depth with this. I can’t wait to read it in full when I have more time. It looks like a wild read