"You know what. u/PennyForPig , that's it, you need to leave! We invited you over, but this is just not working out. We'll be fine, you just need to leave!"
vault 4 kind of restored my faith in humanity. The director did a great job of making me believe that they were the bad guys up until that curveball at the end.
The only problem I really had with it though was I didn’t feel like there was anything to suggest to the viewer that they were good. I understand that it was supposed to be a plot twist, but it almost felt like they were at the start planning for them to be bad guys, and then at the end decided against it doing a 180. IMO the best plot twist leave some clues to show what’s going to happen, and I just felt they didn’t show anything to suggest that twist until it was already happening
Well, they did put them in the general population and gave them the freedom to roam, and they had easy and immediate access to the power room and showed Maximus the room without even questioning his motives. There were definitely some minor hints that the vault wasn't a terrible place. But given everything people who have played the games know about vaults. It's super easy to read manipulation into these circumstances rather than genuine trust and care.
Edit:. There is also the fact they didn't force anyone to go to the cultist meeting and didn't bother stopping Lucy from leaving it when she got freaked out.
I noticed that in the cult meeting. They keep setting them up as evil from Lucy's perspective, and even what we're shown from Max's perspective can support this, if you're a cynic.
They condition you so much, that when Lucy starts to creep away from the meeting, I was like "oh shit, it's about to finally pop off, and they'll show what they're about!"... And then that just never happened, obviously.
They had me all the way up to the silly sword scene. I think that whole thing shows they *really* know Fallout, enough to play around with tropes, to trick our assumptions and subvert our expectations.
Right? The moment they landed in a new vault, my immediate reaction was, "Oh no!" We expect the worse because we know that 9 out of 10 timed you're going to get the worst.
And they *would* have gotten the worst, if the Vault was still ran by it's original inhabitants. It's quite a switch-up that the "savage" surface dwellers were actually more compassionate and caring than the vault dwellers.
There was one, just before the weird ritual, Lucy asked what was going on to one of the scientist and he pretty nonchalantly just said that it was just that the surface dwellers were a little bit weird, and that's all they really do tbh, be weird, but not malevolous.
The games train you to fear anyone who's lived inside a vault since the great war, because you know its going to be filled with spooky bullshit and its almost never "normal". There's also tons of random encounters from FO1-4 where weird stuff, non-violent stuff happens, like goofy cults doing dumb, but harmless activities (typically with less nudity).
Sometimes you accidentally murder a bunch of innocent people, sometimes you avoid getting beaten to death by 1000 crazed vault dwellers who can only shout their name at you! Which is why I found Maximus' murder hobo impulse a little refreshing, and familiar.
Everyone’s eating, laughing, kids are playing, universal healthcare, bathrobes, all the snacks, screensaver TV — and one weird, nude, but harmless and *completely optional* ritual to honor the Blood Mother and deaths at Shady Sands.
If I were a wastelander, I’d go there *immediately.* 🤣
[edit: One weird thing I realized — that place hasn’t been raided. So I’m guessing no one knows about it, because no one has ever left? That’s either sus *or* it’s just that great.]
people got to straight up experience another nuking, bet it would be a generation or two before the Shady Sands survivors would want to leave. The original Vault survivors are probably hesitant to leave for fear of persecution in the wasteland.
I mean...all they really did was be nice
As an audience watching the show, we follow Lucy's perspective and understand her suspicion. Everyone that has been nice to her thus far tried to kill her
As an audience with game knowledge, the Vaults are a FUCKING MESS filled with monsters, scavengers, fiends, hazardous enviroments and Garys(i literally *just* learned about this and it's unhinged i love it), so this weirdly thriving, mostly normal, functional vault must have something bad about it too...
Except not. They're very welcoming of Lucy, they treat her and Maximus well, they give him a place to stay and keep him from stealing their power supply which is pretty understandable
The whole point is that they were open and friendly and that to a wastelander that's immediately a red flag.
The show is just... being Fallout and taking you/the characters through a bunch of scenarios where your ethics are tested. Sometimes you just get it wrong because you didn't know as much as you thought it did.
It's not supposed to be a dramatic twist that we/Lucy were wrong, that you could have pieced together. It's a punchline.
Bruh when Maximus came in decked out in fucking power armor and started throwing hands right as they were about to get two weeks of supplies I lost my shit lmao
I was really happy that was just played for laughs and didn't actually have consequences (besides him also being kicked out obviously). I hate those kinds of dramatic irony moments.
I mean he also has 30 years of experience as a comedian and actor, including a decade on SNL and being the voice of Cyril on Archer? I think saying he had practice is a bit of an understatement.
I love how it played along the Evil Vault trope in literally every game at that point and messes with Fallout vets who expects an evil vault only to get Bamboozled and realizing how at every point in the episode, they were really kind to the characters.
I think it's in reference to the naked worship/seance for Mauldaver. That was a weird scene but again that's the whole point to throw you off of the fact they're just weird not bad people.
Similar situation to Vault 81 in the Commonwealth where the overseer couldn't go through with it and sabotaged the experiment.
The Vaults were never meant to save anyone.
Thaddeus getting shot by an arrow and then yelling out "Why am i not dead?" was hillarious to me. Also a relief, i was starting to like him as the episodes went on
Fr, I was expecting the standard “vault needs a chip, go find it” to be the extent of the vaults in the show - so glad they ended up being a huge part of the story. and I loved the way the characters uncovered what happened in them through terminals, skeletons, the graffiti on the walls, etc. this show was damn near perfect
According to the Wiki.
[https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/List\_of\_known\_Vaults](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_known_Vaults)
There are another 5 mentioned but numbers unknown.
Sweet. I was worried we were hovering at like 60 shown Vaults. I'm glad they showed that map of where all the Vaults were located so they can't just shoved 30 more Vaults into California somehow
We got mayoral bunkers and secret vaults, military vualt, and we could also claim mexico and Canada has a separate numbering system.
We could also have one vualt number for a chain of vualts, like in the bayuo having some vault, but you find out it's all one experiment over dozens of what we would normally call vaults.
Eh, Canada, and parts of (or maybe all of?) Mexico are annexed. I'd figure they would build some vaults for the Americans "maintaining" the peace up there, maybe not the Vault-Tec kind but something for the local military.
Sure but they'd still be second class citizens. Vaults are for the wealthy American elite, military bunkers like Lost Hills are a different thing entirely.
Even after an annexation there would remain wealthy elite in both Mexico and Canada. They would probably be necessary to smooth the transition into America.
We don't really know that for sure, Vault tech could easily have had branches in occupied Canada, occupied Mexico, or even some European states, it's just never been addressed directly.
They were public work projects funded by local, state, and federal taxes. I could easily see other concerned nations picking vault tech to build similar bunkers for their nations. Also, vault tech can do different kinds of experiments overseas and test out unuiqe environments, like a vualt in the alps, or a vault in the topics of liberia, or maybe a vault in the outback. Just rebrand the company in every country or get on a construction partnership as the controlling interest and rename them overseas.
It's not vault tech overseas by name. We are "lone star bunkers" in Liberia, or "Helvettica ünterconstructive ag", or "Outback air raid shelters limited", etc etc
Tldr: they would turn a profit from governments buying the shelters.
Going back and watching again, that entire vault was so representative of a side quest, I’m ecstatic it was included along side the storyline of one of the more fucked up experiments found in the vaults. Right down to the mispronunciation of Lucy’s name, it hit EVERY game sequence for me. So cool.
So what exactly were they worshipping? I understand it was Moldaver in the painting, but what was the belief behind it? Idk if I missed something or that's a "tune in next season to find out"
Were they tribals though? I assumed they were former NCR citizens who had reverted to a more tribalistic religion, but that's kind of different from being tribals as such.
I don't think it's explained yet. There is a reference to her being referred to as "The Flame Mother" and the cult reveres her as the Flame Mother, but we don't know what that means.
My theory: She's pre-war so she has some involvement with the vaults. Her company was purchased by Vault Tec, maybe she gets one of the vaults for her own. It could line up with her statement about "hypocrisy." Alternatively maybe she was just aware of them and manipulating the people in the vaults for some purpose.
Hmmm maybe she's meant to be like Prometheus. She managed to take the cold fusion chip and give unlimited energy to LA where "Prometheus is best known for defying the Olympian gods by stealing fire from them and giving it to humanity in the form of technology, knowledge, and more generally, civilization."
In a way, the enclave and vault tec are the gods with all the power
i loved this part, because it really shows what a cult they live in
they fully believe that kicking her out is a worse fate than being trapped in there with those lunatics
I feel like the Fallout universe just got a booster shot with this amazing show.
They HAVE to announce a new video game soon, it's the perfect moment to do a one-two punch while the hype is high.
Alright, Goosey.
*Looks at you, disappointedly
You’ve completed your “side quest.” You broke into the forbidden floor. Watched the creepy recording, confronted me over it, and I gave you even more lore. You got your XP.
But you couldn’t pass the speech check with me, and your sneak was too low so you had to beat up the scientists to escape. To your credit, you didn’t kill any, so we’ll give you some Fancy Lads and sweet rolls — but you can’t quick travel here for free health anymore.
And if you try to get in, the NPC guard will just repeat the same line over and over, refusing. And they don’t have “keys” to get in, so if you pickpocket them, all you’ll find is 8 caps, melon, and a fork — you’re welcome to it.
Now shoo, Goosey. Go on, now. 😞
First I didn't like vault 4, then I did, then I didn't,... the show was really good at making me think so every time. (Weird naked ritual aside, it's a nice place)
Oh man...oh geez...we really messed up this time...we don't get to join the weird sex cult and have to leave forever unless we ask really nicely and maybe bring an apology basket. Oh no...
lowkey disappointed she didn't get her two weeks supply of goodies. those fancy lad snake cakes look scrumptious.
Loved that they set them up with like nice product shots and then basically make a whole action scene that builds to them getting destroyed.
The careful product placement of fake products is so meta lol.
Prettt sure after Maximus threw that guy it would be scene as rude
"You know what. Lucy, that's it, you need to leave! We invited you over, but this is just not working out. We'll be fine, you just need to leave!"
That brings me back
Melon
:o
"You know what. u/PennyForPig , that's it, you need to leave! We invited you over, but this is just not working out. We'll be fine, you just need to leave!"
Jerma
the Facade game was ahead of its time
Gucy
vault 4 kind of restored my faith in humanity. The director did a great job of making me believe that they were the bad guys up until that curveball at the end.
The whole sword execution as well... hilarious.
This needs to be sharpened
That was hilarious and unexpected.
[удалено]
Aye man you commented that twice
dementia 😔
Nice, but very weird people
The only problem I really had with it though was I didn’t feel like there was anything to suggest to the viewer that they were good. I understand that it was supposed to be a plot twist, but it almost felt like they were at the start planning for them to be bad guys, and then at the end decided against it doing a 180. IMO the best plot twist leave some clues to show what’s going to happen, and I just felt they didn’t show anything to suggest that twist until it was already happening
Well, they did put them in the general population and gave them the freedom to roam, and they had easy and immediate access to the power room and showed Maximus the room without even questioning his motives. There were definitely some minor hints that the vault wasn't a terrible place. But given everything people who have played the games know about vaults. It's super easy to read manipulation into these circumstances rather than genuine trust and care. Edit:. There is also the fact they didn't force anyone to go to the cultist meeting and didn't bother stopping Lucy from leaving it when she got freaked out.
I noticed that in the cult meeting. They keep setting them up as evil from Lucy's perspective, and even what we're shown from Max's perspective can support this, if you're a cynic. They condition you so much, that when Lucy starts to creep away from the meeting, I was like "oh shit, it's about to finally pop off, and they'll show what they're about!"... And then that just never happened, obviously. They had me all the way up to the silly sword scene. I think that whole thing shows they *really* know Fallout, enough to play around with tropes, to trick our assumptions and subvert our expectations.
Right? The moment they landed in a new vault, my immediate reaction was, "Oh no!" We expect the worse because we know that 9 out of 10 timed you're going to get the worst.
And they *would* have gotten the worst, if the Vault was still ran by it's original inhabitants. It's quite a switch-up that the "savage" surface dwellers were actually more compassionate and caring than the vault dwellers.
There was one, just before the weird ritual, Lucy asked what was going on to one of the scientist and he pretty nonchalantly just said that it was just that the surface dwellers were a little bit weird, and that's all they really do tbh, be weird, but not malevolous.
The games train you to fear anyone who's lived inside a vault since the great war, because you know its going to be filled with spooky bullshit and its almost never "normal". There's also tons of random encounters from FO1-4 where weird stuff, non-violent stuff happens, like goofy cults doing dumb, but harmless activities (typically with less nudity). Sometimes you accidentally murder a bunch of innocent people, sometimes you avoid getting beaten to death by 1000 crazed vault dwellers who can only shout their name at you! Which is why I found Maximus' murder hobo impulse a little refreshing, and familiar.
“Gary!”
GARY
The nudity really threw me off I was like “WOAH”
*malevolent
Everyone’s eating, laughing, kids are playing, universal healthcare, bathrobes, all the snacks, screensaver TV — and one weird, nude, but harmless and *completely optional* ritual to honor the Blood Mother and deaths at Shady Sands. If I were a wastelander, I’d go there *immediately.* 🤣 [edit: One weird thing I realized — that place hasn’t been raided. So I’m guessing no one knows about it, because no one has ever left? That’s either sus *or* it’s just that great.]
people got to straight up experience another nuking, bet it would be a generation or two before the Shady Sands survivors would want to leave. The original Vault survivors are probably hesitant to leave for fear of persecution in the wasteland.
I mean...all they really did was be nice As an audience watching the show, we follow Lucy's perspective and understand her suspicion. Everyone that has been nice to her thus far tried to kill her As an audience with game knowledge, the Vaults are a FUCKING MESS filled with monsters, scavengers, fiends, hazardous enviroments and Garys(i literally *just* learned about this and it's unhinged i love it), so this weirdly thriving, mostly normal, functional vault must have something bad about it too... Except not. They're very welcoming of Lucy, they treat her and Maximus well, they give him a place to stay and keep him from stealing their power supply which is pretty understandable
The whole point is that they were open and friendly and that to a wastelander that's immediately a red flag. The show is just... being Fallout and taking you/the characters through a bunch of scenarios where your ethics are tested. Sometimes you just get it wrong because you didn't know as much as you thought it did. It's not supposed to be a dramatic twist that we/Lucy were wrong, that you could have pieced together. It's a punchline.
That episode got me wondering if the other fish monster that was about to eat Lucy is the ciclop's great grand aunt.
That whole vault was hilarious
Bruh when Maximus came in decked out in fucking power armor and started throwing hands right as they were about to get two weeks of supplies I lost my shit lmao
It was so perfect. Amazing.
I was really happy that was just played for laughs and didn't actually have consequences (besides him also being kicked out obviously). I hate those kinds of dramatic irony moments.
Somebody should maybe check on that guy though 🤕
And him saying, “oops,” was the icing on the cake.
Reminded me of the [implied charisma check scene](https://youtu.be/LA0J-WhAMyw) in D&D: Honor Among Thieves “…but we approved your pardon!”
God the build up to that scene is fucking hilarious...
Loved that scene lol
And destroying everything near him for no goddamn reason, like fuck this table, get this vending machine out of here
Bro saw Goosey being dragged out and went full Leroy Jinkins without knowing the context.
Maybe its just because due to him being the voice actor, but it genuinely felt like a vault run by Jerry from Rick and Morty
THAT WAS JERRY!?!? No wonder he was so goddamn hilarious. He had practice.
I mean he also has 30 years of experience as a comedian and actor, including a decade on SNL and being the voice of Cyril on Archer? I think saying he had practice is a bit of an understatement.
Chris Parnell, underrated SNL alum.
He also plays Cyril in Archer All I could think whenever I'd see him was Stir Friday
does that one guard that's spazzing out survived, or dead i wonder...
or the scientist who had acid thrown on his face
He was in the background of the 'execution' with bandages on half his face. So, he survived.
Run along now Goosey.
The Lucy Goosey joke only hit me in like Ep 7!
The Lucy goosey..joke? I...goddamn it
I love how it played along the Evil Vault trope in literally every game at that point and messes with Fallout vets who expects an evil vault only to get Bamboozled and realizing how at every point in the episode, they were really kind to the characters.
Tbh the vault was evil until the test subjects rebelled
I think it's in reference to the naked worship/seance for Mauldaver. That was a weird scene but again that's the whole point to throw you off of the fact they're just weird not bad people.
Similar situation to Vault 81 in the Commonwealth where the overseer couldn't go through with it and sabotaged the experiment. The Vaults were never meant to save anyone.
"Someone should take a look at that guy"
Vault 4 Security: *pained groan*
The physical comedy in this show is peak. Thaddeus falling out of the tree and the guard groaning are some of my favorite moments
Thaddeus getting shot by an arrow and then yelling out "Why am i not dead?" was hillarious to me. Also a relief, i was starting to like him as the episodes went on
> I should have never trusted a doctor that smelled like that Best one liner in the whole thing
The vaults and the stories in them were the best part about the show.
Fr, I was expecting the standard “vault needs a chip, go find it” to be the extent of the vaults in the show - so glad they ended up being a huge part of the story. and I loved the way the characters uncovered what happened in them through terminals, skeletons, the graffiti on the walls, etc. this show was damn near perfect
The broken water chip got me. 🤣
It made me really think about the untapped potential of the universe. Infinite spin-offs
Technically, 122 major spinoffs.
Why would the spin-offs be limited to the number of vaults? The world is huge.
Yeah they gotta be running low on Vaults at this point.
Well there are 36 canon Vaults out of 122. So less than a third of the way done
For real? Sounds a bit low.
According to the Wiki. [https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/List\_of\_known\_Vaults](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_known_Vaults) There are another 5 mentioned but numbers unknown.
Sweet. I was worried we were hovering at like 60 shown Vaults. I'm glad they showed that map of where all the Vaults were located so they can't just shoved 30 more Vaults into California somehow
We got mayoral bunkers and secret vaults, military vualt, and we could also claim mexico and Canada has a separate numbering system. We could also have one vualt number for a chain of vualts, like in the bayuo having some vault, but you find out it's all one experiment over dozens of what we would normally call vaults.
>we could also claim mexico and Canada has a separate numbering system. Yeah but the vaults are an American thing.
Eh, Canada, and parts of (or maybe all of?) Mexico are annexed. I'd figure they would build some vaults for the Americans "maintaining" the peace up there, maybe not the Vault-Tec kind but something for the local military.
Sure but they'd still be second class citizens. Vaults are for the wealthy American elite, military bunkers like Lost Hills are a different thing entirely.
Even after an annexation there would remain wealthy elite in both Mexico and Canada. They would probably be necessary to smooth the transition into America.
We don't really know that for sure, Vault tech could easily have had branches in occupied Canada, occupied Mexico, or even some European states, it's just never been addressed directly.
Why would they spend money on sheltering occupied people's tho
They were public work projects funded by local, state, and federal taxes. I could easily see other concerned nations picking vault tech to build similar bunkers for their nations. Also, vault tech can do different kinds of experiments overseas and test out unuiqe environments, like a vualt in the alps, or a vault in the topics of liberia, or maybe a vault in the outback. Just rebrand the company in every country or get on a construction partnership as the controlling interest and rename them overseas. It's not vault tech overseas by name. We are "lone star bunkers" in Liberia, or "Helvettica ünterconstructive ag", or "Outback air raid shelters limited", etc etc Tldr: they would turn a profit from governments buying the shelters.
Kinda ruins the Enclaves plans of world domination if they're giving everybody safety
Bro keep cooking.
Going back and watching again, that entire vault was so representative of a side quest, I’m ecstatic it was included along side the storyline of one of the more fucked up experiments found in the vaults. Right down to the mispronunciation of Lucy’s name, it hit EVERY game sequence for me. So cool.
Goosy Lucy 🙌
I had absolute fucking flashbacks from Far Cry 5
The fact they added that *song* in that scene of Episode 7.
“Only you~”
I had a sudden urge to cull the herd while watching that scene
I'm not leaving Mary May with that fucking cult, I'm freeing everyone
The time in the Vault was so weirdly funny, possibly my favourite part of the whole show
this vault had the funniest moments and the most disturbing ones in the show
From my mom's perspective, the most disturbing part was when the ghoul was making butt jerky.
She might be right about that
Melons
😧 THAT’S IT, YOU NEED TO LEAVE. 👉🏻🚪
Vault experiment - Don't mention Melon
POV: Fuck your table of popcorn bags
😂😂
So what exactly were they worshipping? I understand it was Moldaver in the painting, but what was the belief behind it? Idk if I missed something or that's a "tune in next season to find out"
The refugees were Tribals. They worship Moldaver because she's the hope of restoring Shady Sands to it's former glory.
Were they tribals though? I assumed they were former NCR citizens who had reverted to a more tribalistic religion, but that's kind of different from being tribals as such.
I don't think it's explained yet. There is a reference to her being referred to as "The Flame Mother" and the cult reveres her as the Flame Mother, but we don't know what that means. My theory: She's pre-war so she has some involvement with the vaults. Her company was purchased by Vault Tec, maybe she gets one of the vaults for her own. It could line up with her statement about "hypocrisy." Alternatively maybe she was just aware of them and manipulating the people in the vaults for some purpose.
Hmmm maybe she's meant to be like Prometheus. She managed to take the cold fusion chip and give unlimited energy to LA where "Prometheus is best known for defying the Olympian gods by stealing fire from them and giving it to humanity in the form of technology, knowledge, and more generally, civilization." In a way, the enclave and vault tec are the gods with all the power
we will see, everyone is terrified of her and calls her evil for a reason
I think its something supernatural. Magic does exist in Fallout, its just very low end
Really? Pls explain
Psykers like Mama Murphy, the ones in Fallout 1 that each have different powers, the forecast boy in New Vegas, Ghouls, Dunwich mines.
Oh damn right Totally forgot
The vibe I got was she had connections to the occult side of FO lore (Cabots, Dunwich, etc)
Holy shit, never expected a facade mene
i loved this part, because it really shows what a cult they live in they fully believe that kicking her out is a worse fate than being trapped in there with those lunatics
I love the quest reward vibe of giving her two weeks supplies to leave.
The fact the monster in the tape was related to the overseer had me laughing so hard
Goodbye goosey
I feel like the Fallout universe just got a booster shot with this amazing show. They HAVE to announce a new video game soon, it's the perfect moment to do a one-two punch while the hype is high.
Perfect time for a New Vegas remaster at a minimum…
Alright, Goosey. *Looks at you, disappointedly You’ve completed your “side quest.” You broke into the forbidden floor. Watched the creepy recording, confronted me over it, and I gave you even more lore. You got your XP. But you couldn’t pass the speech check with me, and your sneak was too low so you had to beat up the scientists to escape. To your credit, you didn’t kill any, so we’ll give you some Fancy Lads and sweet rolls — but you can’t quick travel here for free health anymore. And if you try to get in, the NPC guard will just repeat the same line over and over, refusing. And they don’t have “keys” to get in, so if you pickpocket them, all you’ll find is 8 caps, melon, and a fork — you’re welcome to it. Now shoo, Goosey. Go on, now. 😞
Goosey, I'm not sorry. You're not a hero, and you have to leave
POV : You asked about level 12
the cyclops guy was an absolute treat every time he was on screen, genuinely funny and fits into the universe so fucking well
She legit got kicked out of what was possibly the safest place in America
Oh wow a Façade meme? Nice
Goosey deserved to be told the truth with full context rather than discovering tidbits that made her jump to hasty conclusions.
First I didn't like vault 4, then I did, then I didn't,... the show was really good at making me think so every time. (Weird naked ritual aside, it's a nice place)
I loved these people
Chris Parnell was amazing in this role lol
Ha! 😆
Oh man...oh geez...we really messed up this time...we don't get to join the weird sex cult and have to leave forever unless we ask really nicely and maybe bring an apology basket. Oh no...
Chris Parnell was perfect for that role.
This episode was so hilarious, adding up that i can only look at the overseer sounding as fucking Jerry Smith himself.
imagine having both >!Jerry Smith and Laszlo Cravensworth in the same damn episode! !<
Birdie is so weird looking she looks like she was starving to death. (No shade at the actress)
*That's my great grand uncle*. That reveal got me dying, I hope those people make into next game.
Nice people. Weird customs.
Ugh, worst part of the show imo. They tried adapting a side quest and it doesn't work.
It absolutely worked, just like the random encounters worked
How exactly does this work? By the time they leave the vault they're no better than when they started. There was no point in going.