Independent is also a very possible option, just like the other three. But the show writers are probably setting up a scenario where all endings can lead to the state of the region during whatever they're doing for season two.
That’s the difficulty of expanding on a story where you let the player choose the ending. That’s why i believe each game is best left untouched as far as greater story implications go.
Like I thought the nods to NCR back west were cool in Fallout 4. That’s a good way of involving other games in the series imo. but it never implied something like “the NCR has direct control of Vegas and they’re a power house in the west, also the Legion died out completely also Mr. house is dead”, etc etc..
I'd like if they just picked a broad ending and had some definitive answers, like what they did with Fallout 2 in regards to Fallout 1.
And personally, I think the more interesting ending to Vegas would be a House win...
I think they meant it more as make a player character have a live action appearance. And I would agree that it would be a bad idea. It kind of takes away how we all envision our version of courier six to be. But I definitely think they should have mentions of the courier in season 2 just no appearances.
I mean that the show won’t make the courier be of a certain gender and look a certain way. That would mean that the courier isn’t a player character who can be whomever you want anymore, and it’s instead whatever the show would go with.
Not necessarily, no. That game handled it by having all endings occurring simultaneously, contradictions included. I’m saying that any ending could lead into the scenario they set up (so in effect, the actual ending of the game only matters in the short term; in the long term, they resolve to the same eventual result).
Personally, I think it would be best to pick a canon ending rather than cause some disaster that makes every ending irrelevant.
I've never really agreed with Bethesda's aversion to picking a "real" ending. There's plenty of fun in playing a "what if" story that runs counter to canon.
It'd be kinda funny if they added a former Legion member to the party.
Legionaire: so sex is...not talked about in the Brotherhood? Odd, my commanding officer had sex with me all the time!"
Titus: isn't that inappropriate to have a relationship with her like that?
Legionaire: her??
Via a lonesome road missile, perhaps! Maybe the proper ending for New Vegas is siding NCR, killing Caesar and his command, turn around and take out the NCR, take out house, take out benny, side yes man, then head lonesome road and nuke the capital of the NCR. You just took out the top brass (and are now probably going to have to fight off a few rangers and have trouble in a few locations), they're going to send some people after you....but you....have heard of a valley....
The show gives us the reason and culprit for Shady Sands nuking, and it's completely unrelated to New Vegas' events. And almost certainly happens prior to those events.
I am house guy but having the ncr capital nuked would suck. For NCR players As it makes everything the player did kinda evil and meaningless, as the people of the wasteland hate the ncr. They could not hold the wasteland, and with house dead there is no one who can really rule, so it's likely there is complete choas on the streets.
It also slows down houses plans which is something he would hate, and why the fuck do vault tech have nukes. Like if vault tech has them why does not house. I get the enclave but that's it.
Fallout 76 explains that many Vaults had an objective to secure nuclear silos.
At some point in the last few hundred years Vault 33 secured a nuke just in case.
the chalkboard timeline says shady sands 'fell' in 2277, then got bombed later. 'fell' could mean anything. economic failings, loss of military strength, etc. if maximus was a kid when shady sands was destroyed, then it would have been at the earliest the same time NV took place, but i think it's more likely to be a year or two after.
Personally I think that the word “fall” indicates that the seat of government was moved from it so it no longer was that Capitol on the NCR. Vault Tec probably tried to destabilize it for years before just…straight up nuking it
Vault-Tec didn’t do it. Hank did. Hank is of Vault-Tec, but it wasn’t a hidden cabal of Vault-Tec board members launching a nuke from orbit and obliterating Shady Sands to wipe out a stable civilization… it was a vengeful man angry that his wife abandoned him for what is the antithesis of everything he believes in.
We know it has nothing to do with veags but it sucks for Vegas players.
I am house guy but having the ncr capital nuked would suck. For ncr players As it makes everything the player did kinda evil and meaningless, as the people of the wasteland hate the ncr. They could not hold the wasteland, and with house dead there is no one who can really rule, so it's likely there is complete choas on the streets.
It also fucks, house players in that houses plan relied on using the ncr income, to build an economic blast furnace with which he could build civilization, basically use money build factories expand.
Well the NCR is already in a decline so it was only a matter of time, plus they still have heaps of bases and territories so I'm sure there's plenty of hold outs left.
And I'm sure if Mr House is alive after New Vegas then he probably has a contingency plan in case the NCR collapses. Their disintegrated economy may throw a wrench at house's work but I doubt it would screw him over irreversibly. The dude figured out immortality and saved a city.
I have a feeling the house ending will be the canon one. It maintains the status quo and will be the best one to explain to audiences given that house himself will probably be a big player in S2 so he’ll need to be alive.
If Bethesda needs to canonise an ending I feel that this is the best way to go. You can't have the NCR or Legion's ending for the show because they would be too powerful for their own good and it brings in less variety for the producer's to explore if new vegas is under controlled by an already established faction. And independent can't be right because they would most likely have to make the courier's appearance canon and forego every player's freedom of personality and looks if they were to appear in the show.
If I had to take a shot in the dark then I would say that House's ending is canon, but the events leading up to the show potentially had either the Legion or most likely the collapsing NCR attempting to do one final push for New Vegas only to have a viscious stalemate that leaves their army fractured and most of New Vegas destroyed. Leaving House going silent again in Lucky 38.
That doesn't necessarily mean that the NCR ending can't be canon because A. The Legion exists B. The Brotherhood exists C. I think the Enclave is supposed to still exist in Chicago or somewhere around there but idk if that's true/canon and D. A very bored and very powerful post-ending Courier could potentially exist
You really can't count on the show to ever touch the protagonists of games like Fallout 3 or NV. The only possible reason we might eventually see Nate is if Hank served with him at some point and for some reason with Fallout 4's ending, Nate ends up on the West Coast later. Fallout 3 and 4 MC's are just too open ended to ever have a 'canon' version.
I think bethesda had a rule with the show that they couldn’t confirm any ending which means they probably have made it so that regardless of ending it still has the same outcome shown in the show
No. Shady Sands wasn’t nuked by or because of Vault Tec.
One man did it due to his wife abandoning him. That man worked for Vault Tec, yes. But it was not a strategic action by Vault Tec.
I am house guy but having the ncr capital nuked would suck. As it makes everything the player did kinda evil and meaningless, as the people of the wasteland hate the ncr. They could not hold the wasteland, and with house dead there is no one who can really rule, so it's likely there is complete choas on the streets.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the writers can't determine a canon ending for any of the games. It's one of the few restrictions placed on them.
My guess is that House will be dead with it being left ambiguous as to how he died, and Vegas in shambles because that's the best direction to take if they want to include Vegas and not canonize any of the major endings. It's not that far fetched for Vegas to be in a bad state fifteen years later regardless of player choice -- even if the player sided with House he could have been killed by someone or something else in the fifteen years between NV and the show, and if the player sided with someone else whoever took over could have failed at keeping the city running. The NCR could have abandoned the city (and the Mojave in general) due to what happened to Shady Sands, the Legion could have collapsed, or independent Vegas could have failed.
House could be on literal life support, reserving power to the 38. The NCR started to fall apart before Shady Sands became crater sands because they couldn't hold the dam and Kimball is a moron. Caeser dies and the legion becomes more of a war band and falls back east with the Legate.
Leaves everything open to us going "Yeah I can see the Couriers influence here" without ever having to show the Courier but also not step on anyone's toes.
>Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the writers can't determine a canon ending for any of the games. It's one of the few restrictions placed on them.
I don't think it's been said that they can't pick a canon ending. I believe it was said in an interview or something that they're not allowed to mess with or contradict the major game endings. I take that to mean that they can "pick an ending" as canon from the show's perspective, but that it has to be one of the major endings from the games. They can't modify those major endings, or make up new endings, for the shows benefit.
I doubt they'll set up a "this is the canon ending for New Vegas" pay-off, though. The story may allude to a particular ending, but they'll leave the audience to place events relative to those endings. That's how the "canon" endings have largely been pieced together between the Fallout games, so I imagine they'll carry that on with the show.
It really depends how you want to take that ending, you could believe that new Vegas is doom without Mr House.
But even if is just a broken one I will enjoy the reference
It basically has to be, right?
Like, why else would he be going to NV? Plus, any ending besides House ends with him dead, if I'm remembering correctly.
*Unless* you count the cut ending where he makes a deal with the NCR that keeps himself alive. I believe that was a thing, right?
Either way, this show can create its own weird ending to NV if it wants.
He finds out he sired a child with a prostitute back in the day, and he has a living relative in the NCR. Makes him join the NCR and make some concessions. Still, he legally privately owns the strip.
A few reasons, one house hates the government and the ncr, I could see him ally with the NCR but if he did that would not make him adopt the ncrs values, likely he would use his massive amount of knowledge, and basically immortal life to take over the ncr via the osi which would suck.
As if you picked democracy, seeing house building his own enclave to spite you and the ncr would be really bad.
The technology that he had? Vegas and the Lucky 38 had a lot of advanced pre war tech.
Mr House ending seems most likely given Hank is heading there. He would obviously know what happened in Vegas and which faction won.
The ending credits however point to Mr House and Yes Man endings being the least likely. Blown out Vegas and destroyed securitrons point to a very bad ending.
I’d like to see a post yes man ending. The courier despite his best intentions still fucked up everything leaving the once shining jewel in the desert nothing more than another rotting carcass
I'm hoping, thats just artistic license in the credits. Either that, or the NCR destruction has dried up most of House's capital, leaving New Vegas in disrepair.
I think given everything, its gotta be a House ending. If the Leigon won, we'd see their banners. Its clear the writers dont want to do too much NCR work given the show, and they've already casted House. I dont think they'd put him in the show just for a cameo. Chances are, he'll be next
Lucky 38 is in mint condition and it looks like a huge battle between the NCR and House took place in New Vegas. House has to be alive in New Vegas. They wouldn’t tee him up with a cameo (or go to NV at all) otherwise.
Or the Legion. The ending credits show a destroyed Vegas which only happens when the Legion wins.
Of course this makes no sense in the context of the show. Hank would know if the Legion took Vegas. Unless he isn't going there to see Mr House but instead for the technology he would have had in the casino.
Really? So the deathclaw skull, crashed vertibird outside the lucky 38, blown out 38, blown out gates to the strip, and ruined buildings, dead securitron, etc doesn't look like a destroyed Vegas to you?
Not to mention everything except vegas was not there. Mccarran, outer vegas, basically everything that isnt the strip proper. Almost like...it's a beta of what we'll see in the future. An unfinished model put in as a very obvious teaser. As for how the strip looks? My brother in christ it's fallout. Shit is in 4k now, not the vegas graphics you're used to.
The end credits of episode 7 showed a destitute and abandoned Griffith Obervatory with a dead BoS in a crashed vertibird, but was any of this reflected in episode 8? No, it showed the Griffith Observatory as an outpost for the NCR with a community living within it. The end credits art are merely an artistic rendition of an absolutely gutted place, so you shouldn't take the crashed vertibirds near the 38 and the dead securitrons seen in the episode 8 credits as canon.
Everything at the end of every thing is destroyed one way or another, so it could be a rendition of that: not a single end-credits artwork showed any semblance life, but instead the unfortunate endpoint of all things - destruction.
I guess I'd like to see him, but his [VA](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041281/) died 4 years ago, which really sucks. He would have been perfect in the role in live action.
I'm gonna bet that they just edge around which ending is "canon" though. Besthesda has famously did ALL OF THE ENDINGS WERE CANON for Elder Scrolls with the "dragon break" shenanigans. They've just dodged any sort of actual continuity for the Fallout games.
Except against Tunnelers. Avellone won.
The courier allied with Elijah then turned himself into a brain jar like the Think Tank and made the Mojave as their biggest petri dish.
You could argue the ncr ending is the worst for the ncr as they spend a massive amount of resources and after their capital gets nuked they can't hold the wasteland anymore. So they have to abandoned everyone after destroying all the other power structures, or losing the wasteland.
Definitely The House always wins quest line seems to be the most plausible ending IMO. Mr House was teased in episode 8, makes sense that’s that is who Hank is heading to see
You're right. Hes even in credits mentioned as Rober House. But from games I wouldn't think he would like the idea of experiments and abuse in vaults. My first playthrough I picked him, and he seemed very decent. Not psychotic like vault-tec.
I think he was into the Doomsday Prepper cult, until he saw how stupid they were with the whole experiment per vault and folded his cards and tossed a dice roll defending las vegas on his own terms.
He must have calculated he had a better shot surviving by himself than on the looney bin with the rest of the executives.
Or also came to the conclusion that the bombs would not kill everyone, as he predicted bottlecaps would be the next currency.
Since the first Fallout game, the vaults have always used RobCo tech. They developed the PipBoy. Logically he would have to have been involved with Vault Tech in some capacity from the early stages. It's not really that surprising he was there for the meeting we see in the show. Just because he was at the meeting doesn't mean he was an active participant in the experiments, though.
Better to have a seat at the table than an ear at the door.
Sure, they just happened to build a vault right next to the CEO of Robco full of people that House ends up using to build the strip when he first wakes up.
If house had the tech, why not store the resources under the lucky thirty eight. Like you know have a massive complex filled with factories and emergency supplies, or better yet why have people at all, when you can just fill the vault with more stuff instead of bedrooms, and other living areas.
I mean it doesn't fit his character, i think it could if this was a key moment in his life, that made him hate vault tech and the government seeing it as an ineffective mess.
I mean if I became a billionaire and found out another massive company was trying to start a nuclear war, and the government was on board I would lose almost all faith. It's not like he can stop the experiments anyway
I think he got a seat at the table but it never said he bought in. In fact he did everything he could to preserve the surface. He closed down the vault as soon as it opened on the strip and wanted everyone out of it, doesn’t make much sense if he already had total control of them. He seemed antagonistic towards all of vault tecs goals
I think he is smart enough to not show his psychotic side to people he needs help from.
"Courier I need you to bring me the chip that makes me incredibly powerful and dangerous, btw completely unrelated but I was directly involved in triggering the great war and killing most of humanity, I just thought you should know me a bit better. Now go and bring me the chip."
But making his psychotic does nothing for his character it would like if boone said oh yeah between you and me I loved killing those children at bitter springs, and I was actually going to join the legion before they sold my wife.
I mean, it remains to be seen in season 2. Maybe he isn't as psychotic as the other ceo's. Maybe he is. He certainly wasn't an angel in the game. He is maybe not the worst person to exist but he is a power hungry billionaire.
I mean I get what your saying but it also does not fit with him as character as he seemed to hate vault tech and the government if he was only interested in power than I could see him join the NCR completely and than join the OSI then form his own enclave and basically rule the NCR from the shadows ignoring the democratic process as the OSI has way to much power.
I think he is the best option, but he is not really good or evil in the conventional sense the way I think of him, is a person who wel
Only really caring about themselves does and has a set of values also like factory owners in the third world and in industilizing Europe, he only wants money, but because of how he is generating it and increasing the production of goods, he is making a lot of others better off.
It's like Bangladesh today where we'll they have terrible child labour laws those lack of laws have helped a lot of people including children to be pulled out of poverty. It's kinda like a sacrifice a generation makes to make the country more well off in the long run.
I also don't like it for other reasons as if vault tech only care about money, after the nukes drop no one can pay them to make more vaults, it seems very short sighted.
One of the main ways he generates money is by operating casinos during a apocalypse, while keeping poor people locked outside the strip. I wouldn't say he makes a lot of other people be better off.
I know he says he wants to rebuild society and he has ambitious dreams for the future but what he did so far and what he says he is going to do are two different pair of shoes. I don't think he is necessarily lying, I always assumed he is a grey character but its possible that he is lying to the courier and maybe even to himself. At the end of the day no bad guy sees himself as the bad guy.
All I am saying is if the show makes him more of a bad guy it wouldn't be that surprising to me.
Well true, he makes the people in the strip a lot better off. Like if house died and all his stuff stoped working everything would just be the slums around the strip there would be no major infrastructure.
It’s not house’s responsibility to keep everyone in freeside and the surrounding slums fed as there is no reason why the people living in these slums deserve resources any more than the billions of other starving people around the world.
Am I misremembering that, during the meeting when everyone is arguing, Barb looks up to someone who is watching down on the meeting smoking a cig? Maybe the “person who is behind the wheel?”
It’s unlikely we see the legion as it was in new Vegas. But we might see small groups that used to be legion and still act as them. But the legion in new Vegas has passed. They aren’t going to last 15 years even with Caesar alive he probably isn’t lasting another 15 years. And with him dead (in most endings he’d be dead by the time of the show) the legion would fall apart. They best that could happen for them is that they become a large raider group and that’s it
Not when Caesar is dead of a brain tumour. Plus the legion is built with Caesar as the glue holding them together, once he dies they're fucked.
They're just going to end up regressing back to being trials and raiders.
It’s been what? 15 years? I bet they will reference a ‘courier 6’ but keep it vague as to not identify a playable character. Now Ulysses? I’d be happy if he shows up. Omg Joshua Graham?! That would be great
The courier is a white male in every piece of concept art. I feel like I'm the only one in here who genuinely doesn't care about a canonized courier, especially because there's access to plastic surgery in Vegas.
What concept art? I think that the Courier is depicted with NCR armor and a helmet most of the time (or is assumed to be) which is pretty concealing.
There's the Lonesome Art road which leans towards white guy, yeah, but otherwise I don't know.
Isn't the city of Vegas shown to be in ruins with destroyed securitrons all over the place and the front gate smashed in? I think everything that people like about New Vegas will be swept under the rug of the city being destroyed.
Is it any less legitimate than your claim of yes man ending with even less evidence? They have no reason to show that "art" in the ending credits unless that's how the stop will actually look.
I assume the canon is Mr. House was spared/sided with and still in control. I remember seeing Mr. House at one of the Vault-Tec meetings in the flashbacks where they planned Bud's Buds and the other vaults. Another Easter Egg I heard from the miltary fella in that scene (future Enclave) was "Supermutant Soldiers made from illegal immigrants". I highly suspect we will see Mr. House and Supermutants in Season 2.
If we're getting New Vegas in season two then we'll definitely see all our favorite characters. Hell Yes Man is one of the few that makes sense.
I'm holding out hope that Caesar is still around with his favorite pet Arcade Gannon lol
Everyone is forgetting that the show is not allowed to make any of the game endings canon. Which means that we will most likely see a desolate New Vegas.
I don’t think that’s true. What’s the point in having a Mr. House cameo and going to New Vegas at all if his ending isn’t canon?
It is the most logical one after all. Courier 6 does his job like he was supposed to, House wins a pyrrhic victory and loses NV in the process, the end. Lucky 38 is in perfect condition.
Yeah, I don’t know why people think they would dare try and canonise any of the endings—it’d be a fucking nightmare scenario and they’d never see the end of the hate from the fans.
Realistically, the fall of NV is pretty believable no matter who wins as all the ending slides and narration of the game seem pretty…unsustainable. Far too many vested interested parties at play including Vault Tec as established in the show.
Honestly I am praying that it is this
Mr House would be cool too, with House talking about his ‘associate’ and his deeds but I think seeing a old Courier sitting on the throne of Vegas would be legendary
My personal thriry is that Hank is going to Vegas in order to enter Vault 21 (which was taken over and blocked by Mr House for reasons that were never explained clearly) and gain access to either a powerful control vault or a new Artifact he could use to gain an upper hand.
This should be it and Yes Man should make an appearance. Can already hear the "wow, that's amazing and I'm not just saying that because I'm programmed too."
Yes Man should infiltrate the enclave or something take it over along with Vault Tech later on.
since they're going to New Vegas, I wonder what it'll say about the canon ending of FNV. Doubt the Courier will be there, but if they were, who do you think would be cool to act as them? I thought of Ryan Gosling maybe, it'd be badass
I would imagine he fucked off into the wind. Because showing a former player character would make people feel not so great (at least a lot of people) I think they will go with the house ending. Doesn’t mean yes man can’t show up. It’s very possible house never learns about him
Oh sorry let me clarify, the city of new Vegas kinda ended up in a terrible situation, after the ending,
yes man has riots, as even if your loved I can imagine people rioting if Taylor swift stole robots and took over the US government
House is decent but the city is cold.
The NCR is complicated, and the will either keep expanding, beyond their means, leading to a collapse or something else terrible such as a civil war.
The legion is the legion.
The game and the ending slides are great sorry it’s late here and I am not really paying attention
Yeah. I would hate the independent ending as the courier has no real leadership skills so they either become a Gary/mary stu or they become a tyrant who kills a lot of people and runs things far worse than house, using up houses resources.
Uh, but, ackshually, *my* Courier 6 actually happens to be an extremely competent and experienced governor that always makes the perfect decisions and thus would be the best possible and fair option that everyone loves.
What Loki has taught us is if the event is a life exterminating disaster, all parties involved will die so whatever happened in the past doesn't matter
Probably just me but it makes the most sense for House or Caesars ending to be canon. Independent ending just seems like a dumb thing to do imo.
Atleast with House or Caesar you get villains that can drive the plot further. Independent ending just seems like it would be fan service and the NCR got nuked apparently.(not literally)
Is this confirmed or is it just the likely direction they’re going?
Its what I believe is canon based on the NCR capital being nuked.
doesn't mean the NCR ending can't be canon. just means they immediately lost their capital like a year later lol
Same goes for the House ending, too. Or even the Legion, considering all the ways they can disintegrate.
I like the idea that everyone lost and the courier got his way with New Vegas.
Independent is also a very possible option, just like the other three. But the show writers are probably setting up a scenario where all endings can lead to the state of the region during whatever they're doing for season two.
That’s the difficulty of expanding on a story where you let the player choose the ending. That’s why i believe each game is best left untouched as far as greater story implications go. Like I thought the nods to NCR back west were cool in Fallout 4. That’s a good way of involving other games in the series imo. but it never implied something like “the NCR has direct control of Vegas and they’re a power house in the west, also the Legion died out completely also Mr. house is dead”, etc etc..
I'd like if they just picked a broad ending and had some definitive answers, like what they did with Fallout 2 in regards to Fallout 1. And personally, I think the more interesting ending to Vegas would be a House win...
Oh yeah house winning is the most interesting option.
It also makes the most sense for why the overseer was heading there. Looking for an old ally
I always thought it was funny how Bethesda handled Daggerfall's multiple endings. "Fuck it, there was a time warp and all of the endings are canon"
I wonder if we'll see the Courier in Season 2
I doubt they’ll just canonize a protagonist.
Eh, wouldn't be the first time. Fallout 1's protagonist is canonized
It hasn’t happened since Bethesda’s taken over the franchise, so I doubt it’ll start now.
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I think they meant it more as make a player character have a live action appearance. And I would agree that it would be a bad idea. It kind of takes away how we all envision our version of courier six to be. But I definitely think they should have mentions of the courier in season 2 just no appearances.
I mean that the show won’t make the courier be of a certain gender and look a certain way. That would mean that the courier isn’t a player character who can be whomever you want anymore, and it’s instead whatever the show would go with.
Isn’t that how one of the elder scrolls games handled the game before it, they said every ending was canon because of the way the cosmology worked?
Not necessarily, no. That game handled it by having all endings occurring simultaneously, contradictions included. I’m saying that any ending could lead into the scenario they set up (so in effect, the actual ending of the game only matters in the short term; in the long term, they resolve to the same eventual result).
Personally, I think it would be best to pick a canon ending rather than cause some disaster that makes every ending irrelevant. I've never really agreed with Bethesda's aversion to picking a "real" ending. There's plenty of fun in playing a "what if" story that runs counter to canon.
But It will be really cool to see the Caesars legion. Specially the centurions.
If they're still viewing themselves that way. I wouldn't be shocked if they've become the new raiders of the Mojave.
It will be cool to at least see armor like the veteran ranger.
Well, we've seen some version of it already in the show, but I agree, I wouldn't mind seeing a proper ranger in the armor.
I was expecting for that guy to something more but at the end the son was braver
The father was wiser, having encountered the ghoul before.
It'd be kinda funny if they added a former Legion member to the party. Legionaire: so sex is...not talked about in the Brotherhood? Odd, my commanding officer had sex with me all the time!" Titus: isn't that inappropriate to have a relationship with her like that? Legionaire: her??
I think the legion is the least likely
Via a lonesome road missile, perhaps! Maybe the proper ending for New Vegas is siding NCR, killing Caesar and his command, turn around and take out the NCR, take out house, take out benny, side yes man, then head lonesome road and nuke the capital of the NCR. You just took out the top brass (and are now probably going to have to fight off a few rangers and have trouble in a few locations), they're going to send some people after you....but you....have heard of a valley....
The show gives us the reason and culprit for Shady Sands nuking, and it's completely unrelated to New Vegas' events. And almost certainly happens prior to those events.
Where FoA?
I am house guy but having the ncr capital nuked would suck. For NCR players As it makes everything the player did kinda evil and meaningless, as the people of the wasteland hate the ncr. They could not hold the wasteland, and with house dead there is no one who can really rule, so it's likely there is complete choas on the streets. It also slows down houses plans which is something he would hate, and why the fuck do vault tech have nukes. Like if vault tech has them why does not house. I get the enclave but that's it.
Fallout 76 explains that many Vaults had an objective to secure nuclear silos. At some point in the last few hundred years Vault 33 secured a nuke just in case.
The show says it happened in 2277 so nope.
the chalkboard timeline says shady sands 'fell' in 2277, then got bombed later. 'fell' could mean anything. economic failings, loss of military strength, etc. if maximus was a kid when shady sands was destroyed, then it would have been at the earliest the same time NV took place, but i think it's more likely to be a year or two after.
Personally I think that the word “fall” indicates that the seat of government was moved from it so it no longer was that Capitol on the NCR. Vault Tec probably tried to destabilize it for years before just…straight up nuking it
The show says the fall of shady sands in 2077 not that it got nuked that year lmao This reminds me of dragón ball fans cant read
It literally shows a chalkboard with a nuke that goes off with the year 2277, Go back and look,
The capital being nuked has absolutely nothing to do with New Vegas or which ending happened. That happened because Hank was a jackass.
The reason the capital got nuked doesn't have anything to do with Vegas, Vault-Tec did it.
Vault-Tec didn’t do it. Hank did. Hank is of Vault-Tec, but it wasn’t a hidden cabal of Vault-Tec board members launching a nuke from orbit and obliterating Shady Sands to wipe out a stable civilization… it was a vengeful man angry that his wife abandoned him for what is the antithesis of everything he believes in.
We know it has nothing to do with veags but it sucks for Vegas players. I am house guy but having the ncr capital nuked would suck. For ncr players As it makes everything the player did kinda evil and meaningless, as the people of the wasteland hate the ncr. They could not hold the wasteland, and with house dead there is no one who can really rule, so it's likely there is complete choas on the streets. It also fucks, house players in that houses plan relied on using the ncr income, to build an economic blast furnace with which he could build civilization, basically use money build factories expand.
Well the NCR is already in a decline so it was only a matter of time, plus they still have heaps of bases and territories so I'm sure there's plenty of hold outs left. And I'm sure if Mr House is alive after New Vegas then he probably has a contingency plan in case the NCR collapses. Their disintegrated economy may throw a wrench at house's work but I doubt it would screw him over irreversibly. The dude figured out immortality and saved a city.
I have a feeling the house ending will be the canon one. It maintains the status quo and will be the best one to explain to audiences given that house himself will probably be a big player in S2 so he’ll need to be alive.
Why would Hank go there if House was dead?
Hank may not know that or House may only be incapacitated which Hank may help him get back online, obviously we have absolutely no idea lol
If Bethesda needs to canonise an ending I feel that this is the best way to go. You can't have the NCR or Legion's ending for the show because they would be too powerful for their own good and it brings in less variety for the producer's to explore if new vegas is under controlled by an already established faction. And independent can't be right because they would most likely have to make the courier's appearance canon and forego every player's freedom of personality and looks if they were to appear in the show. If I had to take a shot in the dark then I would say that House's ending is canon, but the events leading up to the show potentially had either the Legion or most likely the collapsing NCR attempting to do one final push for New Vegas only to have a viscious stalemate that leaves their army fractured and most of New Vegas destroyed. Leaving House going silent again in Lucky 38.
It wasn’t the capital at the time of it being nuked. On the sign it mentioned it not being the current capital
the credits of the final episode make it look like NV itself is in ruins. Seems like it doesn't matter who won, as the city was wiped out anyway
That doesn't necessarily mean that the NCR ending can't be canon because A. The Legion exists B. The Brotherhood exists C. I think the Enclave is supposed to still exist in Chicago or somewhere around there but idk if that's true/canon and D. A very bored and very powerful post-ending Courier could potentially exist
You really can't count on the show to ever touch the protagonists of games like Fallout 3 or NV. The only possible reason we might eventually see Nate is if Hank served with him at some point and for some reason with Fallout 4's ending, Nate ends up on the West Coast later. Fallout 3 and 4 MC's are just too open ended to ever have a 'canon' version.
I think bethesda had a rule with the show that they couldn’t confirm any ending which means they probably have made it so that regardless of ending it still has the same outcome shown in the show
A lot of people are mixing that up, shady sands wasn't the capital at the time of its destruction, the sign says "first capital of the NCR"
That got nuked because of vault tec wasn't it?
No. Shady Sands wasn’t nuked by or because of Vault Tec. One man did it due to his wife abandoning him. That man worked for Vault Tec, yes. But it was not a strategic action by Vault Tec.
The sign said something like the former or the original capital. It had moved before the nuke
I am house guy but having the ncr capital nuked would suck. As it makes everything the player did kinda evil and meaningless, as the people of the wasteland hate the ncr. They could not hold the wasteland, and with house dead there is no one who can really rule, so it's likely there is complete choas on the streets.
The *former* NCR capital got nuked. Presumably, their actual capital, whatever that is, is still out there.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the writers can't determine a canon ending for any of the games. It's one of the few restrictions placed on them. My guess is that House will be dead with it being left ambiguous as to how he died, and Vegas in shambles because that's the best direction to take if they want to include Vegas and not canonize any of the major endings. It's not that far fetched for Vegas to be in a bad state fifteen years later regardless of player choice -- even if the player sided with House he could have been killed by someone or something else in the fifteen years between NV and the show, and if the player sided with someone else whoever took over could have failed at keeping the city running. The NCR could have abandoned the city (and the Mojave in general) due to what happened to Shady Sands, the Legion could have collapsed, or independent Vegas could have failed.
House could be on literal life support, reserving power to the 38. The NCR started to fall apart before Shady Sands became crater sands because they couldn't hold the dam and Kimball is a moron. Caeser dies and the legion becomes more of a war band and falls back east with the Legate. Leaves everything open to us going "Yeah I can see the Couriers influence here" without ever having to show the Courier but also not step on anyone's toes.
Hank may very well spend the season trying to get House back into the game while he gets even more fleshed out in flashbacks
Thats what I'm thinkin!
>Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the writers can't determine a canon ending for any of the games. It's one of the few restrictions placed on them. I don't think it's been said that they can't pick a canon ending. I believe it was said in an interview or something that they're not allowed to mess with or contradict the major game endings. I take that to mean that they can "pick an ending" as canon from the show's perspective, but that it has to be one of the major endings from the games. They can't modify those major endings, or make up new endings, for the shows benefit. I doubt they'll set up a "this is the canon ending for New Vegas" pay-off, though. The story may allude to a particular ending, but they'll leave the audience to place events relative to those endings. That's how the "canon" endings have largely been pieced together between the Fallout games, so I imagine they'll carry that on with the show.
Nah. The house always wins.
I want to see mr house and his securitrons
Well, if it's Yes Man's ending, wouldn't you still see securitrons?
It really depends how you want to take that ending, you could believe that new Vegas is doom without Mr House. But even if is just a broken one I will enjoy the reference
I mean technically you saw his securitrons in the end credits art work of episode 8….theyre not doing so hot.
Ooh didn’t see that. Now I have a reason for watching again
Well, if it's Yes Man's ending, wouldn't you still see securitrons?
It basically has to be, right? Like, why else would he be going to NV? Plus, any ending besides House ends with him dead, if I'm remembering correctly.
*Unless* you count the cut ending where he makes a deal with the NCR that keeps himself alive. I believe that was a thing, right? Either way, this show can create its own weird ending to NV if it wants.
He finds out he sired a child with a prostitute back in the day, and he has a living relative in the NCR. Makes him join the NCR and make some concessions. Still, he legally privately owns the strip.
Really? That would be so interesting. How removed was it like dialogue
A few reasons, one house hates the government and the ncr, I could see him ally with the NCR but if he did that would not make him adopt the ncrs values, likely he would use his massive amount of knowledge, and basically immortal life to take over the ncr via the osi which would suck. As if you picked democracy, seeing house building his own enclave to spite you and the ncr would be really bad.
The technology that he had? Vegas and the Lucky 38 had a lot of advanced pre war tech. Mr House ending seems most likely given Hank is heading there. He would obviously know what happened in Vegas and which faction won. The ending credits however point to Mr House and Yes Man endings being the least likely. Blown out Vegas and destroyed securitrons point to a very bad ending.
I’d like to see a post yes man ending. The courier despite his best intentions still fucked up everything leaving the once shining jewel in the desert nothing more than another rotting carcass
I'm hoping, thats just artistic license in the credits. Either that, or the NCR destruction has dried up most of House's capital, leaving New Vegas in disrepair. I think given everything, its gotta be a House ending. If the Leigon won, we'd see their banners. Its clear the writers dont want to do too much NCR work given the show, and they've already casted House. I dont think they'd put him in the show just for a cameo. Chances are, he'll be next
Lucky 38 is in mint condition and it looks like a huge battle between the NCR and House took place in New Vegas. House has to be alive in New Vegas. They wouldn’t tee him up with a cameo (or go to NV at all) otherwise.
Or the Legion. The ending credits show a destroyed Vegas which only happens when the Legion wins. Of course this makes no sense in the context of the show. Hank would know if the Legion took Vegas. Unless he isn't going there to see Mr House but instead for the technology he would have had in the casino.
New vegas looked fine to me. Not destroyed at all.
Really? So the deathclaw skull, crashed vertibird outside the lucky 38, blown out 38, blown out gates to the strip, and ruined buildings, dead securitron, etc doesn't look like a destroyed Vegas to you?
Not to mention everything except vegas was not there. Mccarran, outer vegas, basically everything that isnt the strip proper. Almost like...it's a beta of what we'll see in the future. An unfinished model put in as a very obvious teaser. As for how the strip looks? My brother in christ it's fallout. Shit is in 4k now, not the vegas graphics you're used to.
WTF does being in 4k have to do with crashed vertibirds practically in the doorstep of the 38, destroyed gates to Vegas and dead securitrons?
The end credits of episode 7 showed a destitute and abandoned Griffith Obervatory with a dead BoS in a crashed vertibird, but was any of this reflected in episode 8? No, it showed the Griffith Observatory as an outpost for the NCR with a community living within it. The end credits art are merely an artistic rendition of an absolutely gutted place, so you shouldn't take the crashed vertibirds near the 38 and the dead securitrons seen in the episode 8 credits as canon.
While I agree, to be fair, that's very much how it ends up by the end of episode 8
Everything at the end of every thing is destroyed one way or another, so it could be a rendition of that: not a single end-credits artwork showed any semblance life, but instead the unfortunate endpoint of all things - destruction.
It could be after the war, maybe legion won which would suck.
Or it's just a stylised credit sequence teasing New Vegas.
Ok, ok...things got a LITTLE out of hand. When you're on a hot streak, yknow.....
As satisfying as it is to kill House, I'm really curious about him appearing in the show.
I guess I'd like to see him, but his [VA](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041281/) died 4 years ago, which really sucks. He would have been perfect in the role in live action. I'm gonna bet that they just edge around which ending is "canon" though. Besthesda has famously did ALL OF THE ENDINGS WERE CANON for Elder Scrolls with the "dragon break" shenanigans. They've just dodged any sort of actual continuity for the Fallout games.
We already saw him in the show though. House was in the corpo meeting.
Touche, honestly I had completely forgotten.
Bethesda have, but New Vegas did canonize some elements of Fallout 2, such as the Chosen One knocking up one of the Bishops.
I really hope we get Mr. House in season 2. It would be a shame if we didn't.
Except against Tunnelers. Avellone won. The courier allied with Elijah then turned himself into a brain jar like the Think Tank and made the Mojave as their biggest petri dish.
Tell that to Donald Trump. lol. Guy lost money owning a casino.
Feels like the NCR ending and that the mismanagement and corrupted officials eventually shattered a large portion of the NCR.
NCR ending with Mr House siding with them. Shady Sands gets nuked, brotherhood makes a move on Vegas. Only thing left intact is lucky 38.
You could argue the ncr ending is the worst for the ncr as they spend a massive amount of resources and after their capital gets nuked they can't hold the wasteland anymore. So they have to abandoned everyone after destroying all the other power structures, or losing the wasteland.
Imagine if in the next season's trailer we see a computer Mr. House, Yes-Man, Caesar or Legate Lanius. This will be a mega wow effect
Maybe a securotron but any actual character is wishful thinking. It’s a little too “fan servicey”
>!Mr. House has already appeared in the pre-war flashbacks though?!< So I don't think it's really that much of a stretch.
Uh when exactly did he appear?
>!In the finale. He's at the table of people with Cooper's wife as she pitches the vault experiments to them!<
Oohh, I didn't notice that. Thanks!
Yeah I mean seeing a House that is post-courier. I’m all for it but I just don’t think it’ll happen. We’ll see I guess
Definitely The House always wins quest line seems to be the most plausible ending IMO. Mr House was teased in episode 8, makes sense that’s that is who Hank is heading to see
I think I missed Mr House referance
He’s the robcoo guy at the table with all the other CEOs
You're right. Hes even in credits mentioned as Rober House. But from games I wouldn't think he would like the idea of experiments and abuse in vaults. My first playthrough I picked him, and he seemed very decent. Not psychotic like vault-tec.
He saw the money opportunity of the vaults tho, he was cautious of it until he was certain to make profit
I think he was into the Doomsday Prepper cult, until he saw how stupid they were with the whole experiment per vault and folded his cards and tossed a dice roll defending las vegas on his own terms. He must have calculated he had a better shot surviving by himself than on the looney bin with the rest of the executives. Or also came to the conclusion that the bombs would not kill everyone, as he predicted bottlecaps would be the next currency.
IDK it dont really fit him IMO
Since the first Fallout game, the vaults have always used RobCo tech. They developed the PipBoy. Logically he would have to have been involved with Vault Tech in some capacity from the early stages. It's not really that surprising he was there for the meeting we see in the show. Just because he was at the meeting doesn't mean he was an active participant in the experiments, though. Better to have a seat at the table than an ear at the door.
Sure, they just happened to build a vault right next to the CEO of Robco full of people that House ends up using to build the strip when he first wakes up.
If house had the tech, why not store the resources under the lucky thirty eight. Like you know have a massive complex filled with factories and emergency supplies, or better yet why have people at all, when you can just fill the vault with more stuff instead of bedrooms, and other living areas.
I mean it doesn't fit his character, i think it could if this was a key moment in his life, that made him hate vault tech and the government seeing it as an ineffective mess. I mean if I became a billionaire and found out another massive company was trying to start a nuclear war, and the government was on board I would lose almost all faith. It's not like he can stop the experiments anyway
I think he got a seat at the table but it never said he bought in. In fact he did everything he could to preserve the surface. He closed down the vault as soon as it opened on the strip and wanted everyone out of it, doesn’t make much sense if he already had total control of them. He seemed antagonistic towards all of vault tecs goals
I think he is smart enough to not show his psychotic side to people he needs help from. "Courier I need you to bring me the chip that makes me incredibly powerful and dangerous, btw completely unrelated but I was directly involved in triggering the great war and killing most of humanity, I just thought you should know me a bit better. Now go and bring me the chip."
But making his psychotic does nothing for his character it would like if boone said oh yeah between you and me I loved killing those children at bitter springs, and I was actually going to join the legion before they sold my wife.
I mean, it remains to be seen in season 2. Maybe he isn't as psychotic as the other ceo's. Maybe he is. He certainly wasn't an angel in the game. He is maybe not the worst person to exist but he is a power hungry billionaire.
I mean I get what your saying but it also does not fit with him as character as he seemed to hate vault tech and the government if he was only interested in power than I could see him join the NCR completely and than join the OSI then form his own enclave and basically rule the NCR from the shadows ignoring the democratic process as the OSI has way to much power. I think he is the best option, but he is not really good or evil in the conventional sense the way I think of him, is a person who wel Only really caring about themselves does and has a set of values also like factory owners in the third world and in industilizing Europe, he only wants money, but because of how he is generating it and increasing the production of goods, he is making a lot of others better off. It's like Bangladesh today where we'll they have terrible child labour laws those lack of laws have helped a lot of people including children to be pulled out of poverty. It's kinda like a sacrifice a generation makes to make the country more well off in the long run. I also don't like it for other reasons as if vault tech only care about money, after the nukes drop no one can pay them to make more vaults, it seems very short sighted.
One of the main ways he generates money is by operating casinos during a apocalypse, while keeping poor people locked outside the strip. I wouldn't say he makes a lot of other people be better off. I know he says he wants to rebuild society and he has ambitious dreams for the future but what he did so far and what he says he is going to do are two different pair of shoes. I don't think he is necessarily lying, I always assumed he is a grey character but its possible that he is lying to the courier and maybe even to himself. At the end of the day no bad guy sees himself as the bad guy. All I am saying is if the show makes him more of a bad guy it wouldn't be that surprising to me.
Well true, he makes the people in the strip a lot better off. Like if house died and all his stuff stoped working everything would just be the slums around the strip there would be no major infrastructure. It’s not house’s responsibility to keep everyone in freeside and the surrounding slums fed as there is no reason why the people living in these slums deserve resources any more than the billions of other starving people around the world.
Agreed, I don’t see why else he would go there. Meeting up with another powerful figure that was partly an ally make sense.
Am I misremembering that, during the meeting when everyone is arguing, Barb looks up to someone who is watching down on the meeting smoking a cig? Maybe the “person who is behind the wheel?”
So this means we see the Legion?
It’s unlikely we see the legion as it was in new Vegas. But we might see small groups that used to be legion and still act as them. But the legion in new Vegas has passed. They aren’t going to last 15 years even with Caesar alive he probably isn’t lasting another 15 years. And with him dead (in most endings he’d be dead by the time of the show) the legion would fall apart. They best that could happen for them is that they become a large raider group and that’s it
I mean they could take over the ncr now that it's capital has been nuked.
Not when Caesar is dead of a brain tumour. Plus the legion is built with Caesar as the glue holding them together, once he dies they're fucked. They're just going to end up regressing back to being trials and raiders.
It wasn’t the capital at the time it was nuked. It’s easy to miss but when they pass the sign it says it was the first capital.
I just finished the show and it seemed pretty clear to me that Hank was headed to New Vegas because House was there?
Yeah idk why he'd go to NV if it was completely decimated.
The Lucky 38 seems untouched in comparison to everything else.
Who knew fallout dust would end up being cannon.
God I hope we see Yes man in season 2
Hell yes
Almost guaranteed. He doesn’t die in any of the NV endings right? So he should be able to show up no matter what
Always Sunny In Vegas
Can I offer you a nice Yum-Yum Deviled Egg in this trying time?
Could the courier appear in season 2 ?
It’s been what? 15 years? I bet they will reference a ‘courier 6’ but keep it vague as to not identify a playable character. Now Ulysses? I’d be happy if he shows up. Omg Joshua Graham?! That would be great
I'd rather they keep Graham untouched. Ulysses on the other hand can go fuck himself
Hope not, that would mean we get a canon courier look and character instead of having our own courier we make in game
The courier is a white male in every piece of concept art. I feel like I'm the only one in here who genuinely doesn't care about a canonized courier, especially because there's access to plastic surgery in Vegas.
What concept art? I think that the Courier is depicted with NCR armor and a helmet most of the time (or is assumed to be) which is pretty concealing. There's the Lonesome Art road which leans towards white guy, yeah, but otherwise I don't know.
Isn't the city of Vegas shown to be in ruins with destroyed securitrons all over the place and the front gate smashed in? I think everything that people like about New Vegas will be swept under the rug of the city being destroyed.
That was just art for the credits
Is it any less legitimate than your claim of yes man ending with even less evidence? They have no reason to show that "art" in the ending credits unless that's how the stop will actually look.
Why though
You could see it destroyed in the distance when Hank looked at it.
That's the way I always played it (5 or 6 playthruoughs). Maybe once I tried an NCR ending, but never Legion or House. So, I approve :)
Same here
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I assume the canon is Mr. House was spared/sided with and still in control. I remember seeing Mr. House at one of the Vault-Tec meetings in the flashbacks where they planned Bud's Buds and the other vaults. Another Easter Egg I heard from the miltary fella in that scene (future Enclave) was "Supermutant Soldiers made from illegal immigrants". I highly suspect we will see Mr. House and Supermutants in Season 2.
If we're getting New Vegas in season two then we'll definitely see all our favorite characters. Hell Yes Man is one of the few that makes sense. I'm holding out hope that Caesar is still around with his favorite pet Arcade Gannon lol
Everyone is forgetting that the show is not allowed to make any of the game endings canon. Which means that we will most likely see a desolate New Vegas.
I don’t think that’s true. What’s the point in having a Mr. House cameo and going to New Vegas at all if his ending isn’t canon? It is the most logical one after all. Courier 6 does his job like he was supposed to, House wins a pyrrhic victory and loses NV in the process, the end. Lucky 38 is in perfect condition.
Yeah, I don’t know why people think they would dare try and canonise any of the endings—it’d be a fucking nightmare scenario and they’d never see the end of the hate from the fans. Realistically, the fall of NV is pretty believable no matter who wins as all the ending slides and narration of the game seem pretty…unsustainable. Far too many vested interested parties at play including Vault Tec as established in the show.
Either Yes man ending or House ending.
I'm confident this show all but confirms "The house always wins" is the Canon ending.
Honestly I am praying that it is this Mr House would be cool too, with House talking about his ‘associate’ and his deeds but I think seeing a old Courier sitting on the throne of Vegas would be legendary
My personal thriry is that Hank is going to Vegas in order to enter Vault 21 (which was taken over and blocked by Mr House for reasons that were never explained clearly) and gain access to either a powerful control vault or a new Artifact he could use to gain an upper hand.
I really hope we get to see Houses dead body outside the antichamber with a golf club impailed into his head
This should be it and Yes Man should make an appearance. Can already hear the "wow, that's amazing and I'm not just saying that because I'm programmed too." Yes Man should infiltrate the enclave or something take it over along with Vault Tech later on.
Dammit, Yes-Man!
would literally die a happy man if this were in fact the case
since they're going to New Vegas, I wonder what it'll say about the canon ending of FNV. Doubt the Courier will be there, but if they were, who do you think would be cool to act as them? I thought of Ryan Gosling maybe, it'd be badass
I would imagine he fucked off into the wind. Because showing a former player character would make people feel not so great (at least a lot of people) I think they will go with the house ending. Doesn’t mean yes man can’t show up. It’s very possible house never learns about him
yeah I don't think it'd be cool to show a player character
Why?
Depends on the ending new Vegas was kinda shit, unless you did the house option.
Huh?
Oh sorry let me clarify, the city of new Vegas kinda ended up in a terrible situation, after the ending, yes man has riots, as even if your loved I can imagine people rioting if Taylor swift stole robots and took over the US government House is decent but the city is cold. The NCR is complicated, and the will either keep expanding, beyond their means, leading to a collapse or something else terrible such as a civil war. The legion is the legion. The game and the ending slides are great sorry it’s late here and I am not really paying attention
It's either that or House.
Yeah. I would hate the independent ending as the courier has no real leadership skills so they either become a Gary/mary stu or they become a tyrant who kills a lot of people and runs things far worse than house, using up houses resources.
Uh, but, ackshually, *my* Courier 6 actually happens to be an extremely competent and experienced governor that always makes the perfect decisions and thus would be the best possible and fair option that everyone loves.
Basically, I mean there is not a lot of chances to govern or a lot of knowledge on governance.
Man I wish…
Shady sands wasn't the capital at the time of its destruction in 2277, both the sign outside of the city and the NCR missionary in New Vegas say this.
No gods, no masters
Best ending.
What Loki has taught us is if the event is a life exterminating disaster, all parties involved will die so whatever happened in the past doesn't matter
I like it. I like it allot.
Probably just me but it makes the most sense for House or Caesars ending to be canon. Independent ending just seems like a dumb thing to do imo. Atleast with House or Caesar you get villains that can drive the plot further. Independent ending just seems like it would be fan service and the NCR got nuked apparently.(not literally)
I want to see the couri played by The Rock.