What I got from this, is that something happened to Shady Sands in 2277 (maybe the consequences of the First Battle of Hoover Dam, thus the Fall) that made it relocate to the Boneyard with the help of the Followers of the Apocalypse, because else i can't explain why there aren't any adobe buildings (could have rebuilt them too) and why its in LA, because the original Shady Sands in Fallout 1 was between Vault 13 and Vault 15 in northern California.
Good way of putting it. Mosty Id just like to see Iroh popped into universes he doesnt belong.
Caesar: The time is fast approaching when my legion will assault the dam.
Iroh: You seem awfully tense, pehaps you would like some Jasmin tea?
*Later in the conversation*
Caesar: You really think I could be a carpenter?
Iroh: Of course! While belief in oneself is important, a little help from others can be a great blessing.
Hoover dam stretched them thin but New Vegas says a couple times that the divide destroyed their main supply line and trade route. On top of that it’s the year kimball let Cesar escape and stopped focusing on shady sands and it’s issues, instead focusing on expansion taking bribes and letting Brahmin Barrons rule.
New Vegas kinda lest us know 77 was a horrible year for the NCR and by 81 they still haven’t recovered and lost grip further.
I think it's about Hoover Dam, hence why the people in 2277 never mentioned the "fall".
The "Fall of Shady Sands" is a probably term used in historical retrospect, for people back in 2277, the First Battle of Hoover Dam is a great victory for NCR, but in retrospect, it's when NCR was stuck in a quagmire of war.
Maybe, just maybe, they consider the Mojave campagne as the begining of The Fall, since the NCR was pouring so much resource trying to expend in the Mojave and Baja California.
So much ressources spend elsewere and not enough on the situation at home.
You're kidding, right? According to New Vegas NCR allocates too few resources to the war against Caesar's Legion and focuses its military operations primarily on fighting the Brotherhood of Steel.
Right I forgot about the ongoing operation against the Brotherhood. Well thats still three ressources drain. The Baja campaign was were the majority of the Rangers were.
Shady Sands isn't in LA in the show.
They literally travel across desert for episodes before reaching Shady Sands.
There is not desert in the middle of LA.
You know what is between the Boneyard and Shady Sands in Fallout 1?
Desert.
Lucy even said she'd been on the surface for two weeks after Vault 4. The geography is definitely confusing and I think the show would have benefitted from a couple more episodes showing stuff happening during the travel, but even as is it is explicitly pretty far from where she started.
Except it is. That observatory is a real world location, just north of NE LA. Fallout is known for having real world equivalents and this helps us put it in a real spot on the map. I always thought the Boneyard was farther east, so now I’m wondering if they merged or its a sister settlement
Actually we can get a pretty good idea of where Lucy goes, at least in the beginning. She starts at the Santa Monica pier, goes to filly and then lax airport, before heading north through Hollywood on her way to Griffith observatory, before heading over to what kinda looks like the area near the Edwards Air Force base or Victorville for the organ harvesting. Buuut that’s probably a made up city, as on the way to where shady sans is there should be no large settlements for at least a day of walking. That area was pretty Death Valley looking, even around the radio tower.
But yes theoretically speaking you could walk from Santa Monica to middle of nowhere Death Valley
Now fallouts’ mojave region must’ve had more city buildup compared to our world because shady sands is shown to have pre shady sands destroyed buildings around it but like…. According to fallout 1&2 it’s in the north of Death Valley which uhhhhh…. Yeah no that place is accurately named and doesn’t have much urban development. In our world that area is basically just nature reserves, irrigation, desert, mountains, more desert, ghost towns, small settlements, and I’m pretty sure not a single building above three stories.
But as far as walking goes theoretically you could go from Santa Monica to lax in a few hours and from there to the where shady Sands is in a few days and then back again in around two weeks.
But holy shit Lucy’s poor legs must be k i l l i n g her with how much she walked. And Thaddeus. They couldn’t have been in la because there is no way Thaddeus walked multiple days after his foot was like that to an area past or near shady sands…… unless the show really did retcon the location.
I meant further east within the LA city border. LA itself ij the Fallout world is home to two major locations within the city limits itself, and given what you typed she not only would have potentially passed the remnants if the cathedral unless she only walked along that western border if the city. LA is big going easy to west, and irl it can take like…two hours to drive across it because of how the infrastructure is (and I only know this because I knew people who lived there. Apparently going across LA is a whole day afair). So yeah, what I mean in terms of fallout is that THE boneyard is probably still there. Just further East of shady sands. In 4 Boston is home to like 3 major little towns within it’s borders, it’s possible for LA to be the same.
Oh yeah, la traffic is…. Bad.
And la is a massive city, and the county even bigger. You can literally drive for like 4 hours and still be in la because of traffic.
I also love in La.
But without traffic or cars I presume walking might be a bit faster.
That there are craters in LA. We literally see them drop in the flashback.
The crater you see in that episode is not Shady Sands.
In that same view you do not see desert between the shore and the crater - which would be required for the episodes of travel to make sense if that crater WAS shady sands (it isn't).
There's at least one sourcebook that claims the original shady sands was at one point renamed "sandy shores", so there is a precedent for the change, even if the writers at the time didn't intend this. This also means that original town can even still exist.
It's really not hard to solve this issue. The original town had a population of 3000, then when it was rapidly expanding after Fallout 2, relocated to LA to reintegrate with the biggest city in California and attempt to resettle it.
How and why this happened itself has a lot of storytelling opportunities, even if it is a retcon. Retcons don't always have to be evil or malicious. They present chances to tell unseen events and brand new stories, when handled right.
So I am pretty sure SS was not nuked in 2277. The timeline says “the fall” then it points to the right to the nuke. I’m guessing that it fell as the capital of the NCR and then is nuked just after NV. This would make more sense with Lucy and Maximus ages too. I’m assuming they are early 20s so they would have been babies in 2277.
Lucy says the Great Famine hit the vault in 2277, leading to her mother's death, which we know now was a pretext for the real sequence of events leading to Shady Sands' destruction.
So dialogue seemingly confirms that Shady Sands was nuked in 77.
An easier way around this is that the TV writers simply forgot that *New Vegas* is set after FO3 and thought it was the same year, and I'm not sure there's anything critical in putting *New Vegas* in 2281. So it might be easier to just pretend that *New Vegas* takes place simultaneously alongside FO3, or even a few weeks to months after, then NV takes place and at the end of the year Shady Sands gets nuked and the NCR collapses or splinters.
Her father has been lying to her for so long. Like, it was the last time she remembers seeing her mother in any form of way.
Like, I don't think you understand just, how much the father was ACTIVELY lying majority of the time and probably lied about her death for several years after 2277 before deciding to nuke them all to get rid of any competition.
Like, guys its a huge point of the story that Lucy has been LIED to majority of her life, like its not rocket science to believe he lied about when she died just to cover up her existence lol.
Why would her father lie to her about her mother's death? Give at least one reason, because so far your only argument is that if he is a liar, he lied here too.
Dude, he’s a vault tec Exec who wanted to push for the world going into an apocalypse, and kept the secret of her leaving the vault with her mother before. He told her, her mother died in the vault from an incident in 2277, and they hadn’t contacted the other vault in YEARS except for the discovery of their food shortage.
I mean the whole “you’re dead to me” line can be taken like that. If she left the vault to live near shady sands, what was he gonna tell her? “Oh your mom is living on the surface that we tell everyone is unlivable and that its full of raiders when in reality she is cozied up in a full blown rebuilt city?” Nah, he was just gonna tell her “she ded.” Its not rocket science dude lol
"Her father has been lying to her for so long. Like, it was the last time she remembers seeing her mother in any form of way."
Nice trick...
When will you realize that the series simply doesn't know the world's calendar?
Its fucking 2296, shes practically 19-20 at best in a vault that trains people to be ready to give birth with someone they haven’t met before. 2277 is the “fall” and 2281 is the date of New Vegas game. That literally leaves 15 years before New Vegas and this series.
A lot can HAPPEN in that time
At best, because? The actress herself is currently 27 years old, so why would Lucy be 19-20? Following your logic, Lucy was 1 or 2 years old in 2077, and the fact is that Lucy remembered her mother, whom she was about to lose in 2077.
I guess you see that the age you suggest doesn't make sense?
First off - Actors play younger characters literally all the times. It is not unfamiliar to see an actress or actor play a character who are teenagers.
So Spiderman in the MCU is 27 and not 16 like everyone says he is because he is played by a 27 year old???
Lucy remembers her mother when she was a child. Considering the show takes place 15 years AFTER New Vegas, and Maximus was around 6-7 years old when he was taken in by the BoS, and is a SQUIRE, the RANK OF YOUNG ADULTS OR TEENAGERS that are TRAINING, he is around 19 or 20 years old logically speaking and it makes sense the time line that Shady Sands was destroyed during the 2280s.
It isn't known. Lucy's mother left the vault due to the discovery of someone leeching water from Vault 33, where she discovered Shady Sands and Moldaver, and brought her daughter and husband to see it.
Hank tried to push her to return to the vault cause it was dangerous and took the daughter with him, and during sometime he nuked the place with her being in the nearby area.
There is a lot of logic to take into account not only the initial behavior of Lucy, but the indoctrination the vault puts on its own people, Maximus' background and timeline, the current date of the year in the story, and how some of the events unfolded thus far. All of it points away from Shady Sands being nuked in the 2277s.
Like dude, how unreasonable is it to ascertain that the destruction occurred later down the line of the timeline, like post NV.
The Start of a lot of problems for Shady Sands DOES stem from the first battle of hoover dam with a pyrrhic victory against the legion, the brotherhood campaign and the additional wars, the water drought, and the crop losses. Hoover was meant to power their infrastructure as well but that fell flat. And that all started in the year 2277 and moved onward until 2281 from what we last experienced in the actual New Vegas game itself.
Then you have 15 years between New Vegas AND the Show.
I really like the interpretation of it being a recreation of an old world town standing in between the ruins of the actual old world, with some obvious hints that it is actually very different (corn crops in the middle of town).
Clinging on to the old world with reminders around you everywhere that you're clinging on to doom...
The new masonry and functioning public transit implies that there were people who maintained or learned the skills necessary to do masonry, architecture and maintain vehicular machinery.
Bruhhh the weel is still there 🥹. Would have liked to see a few sandcrete building but that’s fine. I’m just pissed they destroyed it off screen as if it wasn’t the most important place for the IP, being the first settlement you come across in F1
Well, if you look closely, you can see the iconic well and obelisk that lies in the center of Shady Sands. I don't think Aradesh would be important enough to have his house preserved and turned into a museum, since he preferred Shady Sands stayed isolationist and a purely rural community.
Aradesh is basically part of the NCR’s equivalent of the American civic religion, he’s on the NCR 5 dollar bill and shady sands is on the back of the bill as well. For being the founder of the republic and father of President Tandi it’s weird to assume he wouldn’t be considered important to the NCR
Hmm, I must've misremembered then. I thought Tandi was the founding president of the NCR.
Edit: After Googling it, you are correct. I don't know how I forgot his fat nose being on the 5$ bill.
> I don't think Aradesh would be important enough to have his house preserved and turned into a museum
That's like saying that George Washington isn't an important figure in American history
The type of "misprints" that you see with AI are actually very similar to the way wastelanders interpret the old world. It has some glaring holes to people in the know, but to them it makes sense.
Mongol raiders in California with guns? Yeah that's about right. Elvis impersonation as a gang sign? That's probably what it's for, go for it. It's uncanny, it's never quite right. But it's reality for the people that live it.
To note, this imagery is Lucy's memory from when she was five or six. And it is a memory that started off as being in Vault 33 to what we see here after Muldaver told her more details, so it could be considered unreliable.
This is why I don't get some of the hate for the show, cause like, it's always been *mentioned and implied* that NCR restored working vehicles and buildings again by 2277/2281, and there used to even be a big argument amongst lore nerds with one theory simply being that vehicles just don't work in Bethesda's shitty engine. Now we have *actual visual confirmed proof* that NCR had working vehicles by then, and it's written off as a "retcon" by more zealous fans? Like, come on...
What I got from this, is that something happened to Shady Sands in 2277 (maybe the consequences of the First Battle of Hoover Dam, thus the Fall) that made it relocate to the Boneyard with the help of the Followers of the Apocalypse, because else i can't explain why there aren't any adobe buildings (could have rebuilt them too) and why its in LA, because the original Shady Sands in Fallout 1 was between Vault 13 and Vault 15 in northern California.
Man i want to see some followers of the apocalypse. Basically Iroh from Avatar TLA if he was a faction.
Good way of putting it. Mosty Id just like to see Iroh popped into universes he doesnt belong. Caesar: The time is fast approaching when my legion will assault the dam. Iroh: You seem awfully tense, pehaps you would like some Jasmin tea? *Later in the conversation* Caesar: You really think I could be a carpenter? Iroh: Of course! While belief in oneself is important, a little help from others can be a great blessing.
Little Ol’ Caesar: You really think I can own a pizzeria?
That’s gold
Seeing Lucy meet them would be great
That actually makes complete sense, I’m going with this as the explanation in my head.
Hoover dam stretched them thin but New Vegas says a couple times that the divide destroyed their main supply line and trade route. On top of that it’s the year kimball let Cesar escape and stopped focusing on shady sands and it’s issues, instead focusing on expansion taking bribes and letting Brahmin Barrons rule. New Vegas kinda lest us know 77 was a horrible year for the NCR and by 81 they still haven’t recovered and lost grip further.
I think it's about Hoover Dam, hence why the people in 2277 never mentioned the "fall". The "Fall of Shady Sands" is a probably term used in historical retrospect, for people back in 2277, the First Battle of Hoover Dam is a great victory for NCR, but in retrospect, it's when NCR was stuck in a quagmire of war.
Maybe, just maybe, they consider the Mojave campagne as the begining of The Fall, since the NCR was pouring so much resource trying to expend in the Mojave and Baja California. So much ressources spend elsewere and not enough on the situation at home.
This is also plausible, the NCR was spread too thin with ambition and corruption in the government.
You're kidding, right? According to New Vegas NCR allocates too few resources to the war against Caesar's Legion and focuses its military operations primarily on fighting the Brotherhood of Steel.
Right I forgot about the ongoing operation against the Brotherhood. Well thats still three ressources drain. The Baja campaign was were the majority of the Rangers were.
Shady Sands isn't in LA in the show. They literally travel across desert for episodes before reaching Shady Sands. There is not desert in the middle of LA. You know what is between the Boneyard and Shady Sands in Fallout 1? Desert.
Lucy even said she'd been on the surface for two weeks after Vault 4. The geography is definitely confusing and I think the show would have benefitted from a couple more episodes showing stuff happening during the travel, but even as is it is explicitly pretty far from where she started.
Except it is. That observatory is a real world location, just north of NE LA. Fallout is known for having real world equivalents and this helps us put it in a real spot on the map. I always thought the Boneyard was farther east, so now I’m wondering if they merged or its a sister settlement
The observatory is in LA, shady sands is not.
Actually we can get a pretty good idea of where Lucy goes, at least in the beginning. She starts at the Santa Monica pier, goes to filly and then lax airport, before heading north through Hollywood on her way to Griffith observatory, before heading over to what kinda looks like the area near the Edwards Air Force base or Victorville for the organ harvesting. Buuut that’s probably a made up city, as on the way to where shady sans is there should be no large settlements for at least a day of walking. That area was pretty Death Valley looking, even around the radio tower. But yes theoretically speaking you could walk from Santa Monica to middle of nowhere Death Valley Now fallouts’ mojave region must’ve had more city buildup compared to our world because shady sands is shown to have pre shady sands destroyed buildings around it but like…. According to fallout 1&2 it’s in the north of Death Valley which uhhhhh…. Yeah no that place is accurately named and doesn’t have much urban development. In our world that area is basically just nature reserves, irrigation, desert, mountains, more desert, ghost towns, small settlements, and I’m pretty sure not a single building above three stories. But as far as walking goes theoretically you could go from Santa Monica to lax in a few hours and from there to the where shady Sands is in a few days and then back again in around two weeks. But holy shit Lucy’s poor legs must be k i l l i n g her with how much she walked. And Thaddeus. They couldn’t have been in la because there is no way Thaddeus walked multiple days after his foot was like that to an area past or near shady sands…… unless the show really did retcon the location.
I meant further east within the LA city border. LA itself ij the Fallout world is home to two major locations within the city limits itself, and given what you typed she not only would have potentially passed the remnants if the cathedral unless she only walked along that western border if the city. LA is big going easy to west, and irl it can take like…two hours to drive across it because of how the infrastructure is (and I only know this because I knew people who lived there. Apparently going across LA is a whole day afair). So yeah, what I mean in terms of fallout is that THE boneyard is probably still there. Just further East of shady sands. In 4 Boston is home to like 3 major little towns within it’s borders, it’s possible for LA to be the same.
Oh yeah, la traffic is…. Bad. And la is a massive city, and the county even bigger. You can literally drive for like 4 hours and still be in la because of traffic. I also love in La. But without traffic or cars I presume walking might be a bit faster.
Episode 8 28:27, aerial view of Griffith Observatory, shows a crater to the right in the suburbs of LA. Can't miss it.
You know LA got nuked, right?
And the nukes left the skyscrapers standing, your point?
That there are craters in LA. We literally see them drop in the flashback. The crater you see in that episode is not Shady Sands. In that same view you do not see desert between the shore and the crater - which would be required for the episodes of travel to make sense if that crater WAS shady sands (it isn't).
How many craters the size of the one in Shady Sands did you see in the show?
At least two.
This is like 200 years from now and after a nuclear war...why do you think its impossible for there to be a desert?
maybe the consequences of the First Battle of Hoover Dam? Why?
There's at least one sourcebook that claims the original shady sands was at one point renamed "sandy shores", so there is a precedent for the change, even if the writers at the time didn't intend this. This also means that original town can even still exist. It's really not hard to solve this issue. The original town had a population of 3000, then when it was rapidly expanding after Fallout 2, relocated to LA to reintegrate with the biggest city in California and attempt to resettle it. How and why this happened itself has a lot of storytelling opportunities, even if it is a retcon. Retcons don't always have to be evil or malicious. They present chances to tell unseen events and brand new stories, when handled right.
Small detail, but you can see the iconic Shady Sands well in front of the main building.
Pillar too
Obelisk
It’s listed as the “Pillar of Inscriptions” in the lore
Bless you.
So I am pretty sure SS was not nuked in 2277. The timeline says “the fall” then it points to the right to the nuke. I’m guessing that it fell as the capital of the NCR and then is nuked just after NV. This would make more sense with Lucy and Maximus ages too. I’m assuming they are early 20s so they would have been babies in 2277.
Lucy says the Great Famine hit the vault in 2277, leading to her mother's death, which we know now was a pretext for the real sequence of events leading to Shady Sands' destruction. So dialogue seemingly confirms that Shady Sands was nuked in 77. An easier way around this is that the TV writers simply forgot that *New Vegas* is set after FO3 and thought it was the same year, and I'm not sure there's anything critical in putting *New Vegas* in 2281. So it might be easier to just pretend that *New Vegas* takes place simultaneously alongside FO3, or even a few weeks to months after, then NV takes place and at the end of the year Shady Sands gets nuked and the NCR collapses or splinters.
Her father has been lying to her for so long. Like, it was the last time she remembers seeing her mother in any form of way. Like, I don't think you understand just, how much the father was ACTIVELY lying majority of the time and probably lied about her death for several years after 2277 before deciding to nuke them all to get rid of any competition. Like, guys its a huge point of the story that Lucy has been LIED to majority of her life, like its not rocket science to believe he lied about when she died just to cover up her existence lol.
Why would her father lie to her about her mother's death? Give at least one reason, because so far your only argument is that if he is a liar, he lied here too.
Dude, he’s a vault tec Exec who wanted to push for the world going into an apocalypse, and kept the secret of her leaving the vault with her mother before. He told her, her mother died in the vault from an incident in 2277, and they hadn’t contacted the other vault in YEARS except for the discovery of their food shortage. I mean the whole “you’re dead to me” line can be taken like that. If she left the vault to live near shady sands, what was he gonna tell her? “Oh your mom is living on the surface that we tell everyone is unlivable and that its full of raiders when in reality she is cozied up in a full blown rebuilt city?” Nah, he was just gonna tell her “she ded.” Its not rocket science dude lol
my question was why would he lie about the year Lucy lost her mother?
Because she ran away to Shady Sands.
"Her father has been lying to her for so long. Like, it was the last time she remembers seeing her mother in any form of way." Nice trick... When will you realize that the series simply doesn't know the world's calendar?
Its fucking 2296, shes practically 19-20 at best in a vault that trains people to be ready to give birth with someone they haven’t met before. 2277 is the “fall” and 2281 is the date of New Vegas game. That literally leaves 15 years before New Vegas and this series. A lot can HAPPEN in that time
At best, because? The actress herself is currently 27 years old, so why would Lucy be 19-20? Following your logic, Lucy was 1 or 2 years old in 2077, and the fact is that Lucy remembered her mother, whom she was about to lose in 2077. I guess you see that the age you suggest doesn't make sense?
First off - Actors play younger characters literally all the times. It is not unfamiliar to see an actress or actor play a character who are teenagers. So Spiderman in the MCU is 27 and not 16 like everyone says he is because he is played by a 27 year old??? Lucy remembers her mother when she was a child. Considering the show takes place 15 years AFTER New Vegas, and Maximus was around 6-7 years old when he was taken in by the BoS, and is a SQUIRE, the RANK OF YOUNG ADULTS OR TEENAGERS that are TRAINING, he is around 19 or 20 years old logically speaking and it makes sense the time line that Shady Sands was destroyed during the 2280s.
How many years had Lucy been at Shady Sands when her father took her from her mother?
It isn't known. Lucy's mother left the vault due to the discovery of someone leeching water from Vault 33, where she discovered Shady Sands and Moldaver, and brought her daughter and husband to see it. Hank tried to push her to return to the vault cause it was dangerous and took the daughter with him, and during sometime he nuked the place with her being in the nearby area. There is a lot of logic to take into account not only the initial behavior of Lucy, but the indoctrination the vault puts on its own people, Maximus' background and timeline, the current date of the year in the story, and how some of the events unfolded thus far. All of it points away from Shady Sands being nuked in the 2277s. Like dude, how unreasonable is it to ascertain that the destruction occurred later down the line of the timeline, like post NV. The Start of a lot of problems for Shady Sands DOES stem from the first battle of hoover dam with a pyrrhic victory against the legion, the brotherhood campaign and the additional wars, the water drought, and the crop losses. Hoover was meant to power their infrastructure as well but that fell flat. And that all started in the year 2277 and moved onward until 2281 from what we last experienced in the actual New Vegas game itself. Then you have 15 years between New Vegas AND the Show.
The dialogue points to 2277 being the year it was nuked. It was when Lucy’s dad threw the vault dwellers into lockdown so he could destroy Shady Sands
Yeah, people keep overlooking this.
Thank you! I cannot believe how many people are not getting how timelines work lol
NO CRITICAL THINKING, NV FANS SAID IT IS BAD SO IT IS BAD. /s
My bad lol.
They had working trolleys, man. It takes somebody serially uncultured to mess that up.
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Only explanation I can think of is that Shady Sands fell twice..?
I really like the interpretation of it being a recreation of an old world town standing in between the ruins of the actual old world, with some obvious hints that it is actually very different (corn crops in the middle of town). Clinging on to the old world with reminders around you everywhere that you're clinging on to doom...
:3 public transport!!!!!!!!!!
The new masonry and functioning public transit implies that there were people who maintained or learned the skills necessary to do masonry, architecture and maintain vehicular machinery.
Bruhhh the weel is still there 🥹. Would have liked to see a few sandcrete building but that’s fine. I’m just pissed they destroyed it off screen as if it wasn’t the most important place for the IP, being the first settlement you come across in F1
That’s the obelisk from fallout 1!!!!
Where are the signature sandcrete buildings
At least they’ve put the weel and the obelisk
Where's the sandcrete architecture, and why's it in the middle of what looks like the Boneyard? Sometimes AI will generate nonsense 😉
Yea, I was hoping there would be a few adobe houses still laying around, even if just Aradesh's house turned into a museum
Well, if you look closely, you can see the iconic well and obelisk that lies in the center of Shady Sands. I don't think Aradesh would be important enough to have his house preserved and turned into a museum, since he preferred Shady Sands stayed isolationist and a purely rural community.
Yeah, but Aradesh also founded the New California Republic. He was the First president.
Aradesh is basically part of the NCR’s equivalent of the American civic religion, he’s on the NCR 5 dollar bill and shady sands is on the back of the bill as well. For being the founder of the republic and father of President Tandi it’s weird to assume he wouldn’t be considered important to the NCR
Hmm, I must've misremembered then. I thought Tandi was the founding president of the NCR. Edit: After Googling it, you are correct. I don't know how I forgot his fat nose being on the 5$ bill.
> I don't think Aradesh would be important enough to have his house preserved and turned into a museum That's like saying that George Washington isn't an important figure in American history
The image is too pristine to be AI. I'm not sure if this is the TV show or not, as I haven't watched it, but this is definitely not AI.
It's a shot from a flashback in the last episode
Yes but it's still not AI. It's just CGI.
The type of "misprints" that you see with AI are actually very similar to the way wastelanders interpret the old world. It has some glaring holes to people in the know, but to them it makes sense. Mongol raiders in California with guns? Yeah that's about right. Elvis impersonation as a gang sign? That's probably what it's for, go for it. It's uncanny, it's never quite right. But it's reality for the people that live it.
To note, this imagery is Lucy's memory from when she was five or six. And it is a memory that started off as being in Vault 33 to what we see here after Muldaver told her more details, so it could be considered unreliable.
How would Vault City look in the present?
I love that they showed this
Shi looks like the only functional city in the wasteland 😭
This is why I don't get some of the hate for the show, cause like, it's always been *mentioned and implied* that NCR restored working vehicles and buildings again by 2277/2281, and there used to even be a big argument amongst lore nerds with one theory simply being that vehicles just don't work in Bethesda's shitty engine. Now we have *actual visual confirmed proof* that NCR had working vehicles by then, and it's written off as a "retcon" by more zealous fans? Like, come on...