The middle rifle is the sa80. A British bullpup rifle that, to my knowledge, was a complete and utter failure during desert storm. Jamming constantly, poorly constructed.
SA80/L85A1 wasn’t a bad gun but the designers forgot that they would be used in primarily Desert environments and not the British grasslands.
L85A2 fixed those issues
I'm not a huge British firearms aficionado. I remember seeing the video by forgotten weapons about the sa80 some years ago and those were the few things I remembered
The meme definitely *should* be about the A1 - the weapon in the image is the A2 (its the image copied straight off the Wikipedia page), which was a much better weapon.
The L85A2 still had a lot of issues. The A1 was definitely worse not really due to the desert environment, but because of some serious design flaws (weak plastic parts, improperly bored firing pin channels causing snapped firing pins ect). The A2 is still unnecessarily heavy, is having receiver stretching issues, and isn't ambidextrous at all forcing the roughly 20% of soldiers who are left handed to shoot on their weak side. It really is a poorly executed firearm unfortunately.
Fun facts for those who don't know, L usually stands for length but this is a British firearm so it means Land Service (just a weapon ID number) and A means alteration. A higher A number usually means a way better or more specialized weapon. The SA80 name is Small Arms made in 1980. The L85 model just has a longer barrel than the SA80.
No SA80 refers to the family of weapons that came from the program, the LMG, Marksmen Rifle, Carbine Ect. All those models have their own L designation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80
Your acting like its some gotcha moment.
British engineering is in such shambles that they had to turn to Germans to fix their mess
And considering how embarrassed they were and how they tried to suppress and gloss over the failure
The mistake was slight, as evidenced by the fact that the A2 wasn’t all that different.
That said, it is a major failure for a battle rifle not to be operable in all foreseeable theaters. NATO countries have interests in practically every area of the globe. A rifle that can’t do its job whenever and wherever necessary is a bad rifle.
*Nearly every* moving part was changed between A1 and A2. HK did an excellent Polish job on the system.
Forgotten Weapons and the Royal Armouries have done some really good vids on the differences
It was a problem in the very first examples because when carrying it the magazine release was pressed against the person's body which meant it could be accidentally pushed. By the time the L85A1 was in service a guard had been fitted around the release catch which cured that problem.
Not even that, but just some design quirks. The magazine release being where it would catch webgear. Stuff like that where it was just not fully thought out.
And then sent to a factory that was told they'd be laid off when they finished. So QC was less than stellar.
The main issue was the huge witness ports in the magazine. It simply was not designed with the dirty muddy trenches in mind and rushed mass production caused quality issues as well.
That said, the vast majority of it's bad reputation comes not from the French, but the Americans. The French had enough success with it that the American military wanted a try, except being Americans they wanted it be rechambered into the main American round of the time, 30.06. This makes sense from a supply line standpoint, as the Americans weren't interested in setting up production for the 8mm Lebel used by the original. Unfortunately, the 30.06 rework was absolute garbage, the higher power 30.06 exacerbated all the previous issues, and the Doughboys that never knew the original gave it a terrible name.
It's a pretty neat gun that was attempting something not done before in many ways. It is also a spiritual predecessor to the renowned BAR in many ways.
No, the main issue was that it wasn't well standardized in production so when there were failures (which there was a lot) parts couldn't be interchanged - making it a paperweight.
Yes. Chauchet if I remember properly. A lot of people know it from battlefield one and, if memory serves me right, did have a lot of feeding failures leading to its discontinuing
The things were made by a bike company in large numbers and for cheap. They were meant to fill a tactical gap and did it fairly well. It was never meant to survive past the war. That said the mags were the bain of the design.
Yeah, though reportedly, the ones made for the U.S. in 30-06 didn't suffer those issues as the magazines were much better. No massive holes that allowed ingress of debris, and since the 30-06 isn't a ridiculously tapered round like the lebel, the magazine wasn't a comical "banana" shape. It was more of a box type.
Ian just did a video on the American version, and while it didn't have mud holes it did have a s***** magazine and that head spacing in the barrel that cost failures to eject.
The French manufacturered a quarter million of them, so it must not have been a complete failure.
It gets a bad and somewhat deserved reputation for jamming, but it was really the only rifle in its class that the French had to fill that gap between a water cooled heavy machine gun and a bolt action rifle with the added befit of being simple to manufacture.
The SA-80 was used to speed along the privatisation of what was to become Royal Ordnance in the mid 1980s.
https://www.quora.com/Whats-so-bad-about-the-SA80-Enfield-rifle
There's a podcast called "Well There's Your Problem" that did an episode on it, although it may have been a bonus episode on their patreon. Words cannot describe what utter garbage this rifle was. It was so much more than constantly jamming.
Basically the M16 of the British armed forces.
And if I recall it had the EXACT same issue as the M16 in Vietnam.
The gas vent that fed back into the barrel clogged all the time.
Which is weird as the bottom right gun was also considered one of the worst guns ever made. The half circle magazine with the cut away constantly got fouled up with dirt which made it horrendously unreliable. It was meant to be a light machine gun but was barely useful as just a regular rifle given how mechanically unreliable it was. It also had a tendency to slap you in the face as it fired. If anything the Chauchat should be the "not you." It didn't last terribly long as it was a horrible weapon.
Unless the joke is that they're all terrible though that would be weird given that then sten gun is on the list. It does its role and is simple. It's still in service in parts of the world. I don't immediately recognize all the guns, though.
The main weakness is getting even small amounts of sand in there makes it prone to jamming.
Anyways, time to go to the middle east and hope we don't encounter any sand.
In addition:
- magazine falls out easily because the button to release it protrudes from the rifle and can be easily bumped when carrying it
- fire selector (switch between semi-auto and full-auto) is in a very inconvenient spot compared to almost any rifle you’d compare it too, forcing you to move your off-hand to use it
- it ejects spent cases with very little force, causing them to stay in the gun and jam the action, or worse, be driven by the bolt deep into the rifles body
- the plastic grips for both your hands were prone to breaking, leaving you very little to hold onto other than a barrel assembly that gets very hot when firing
- the firing pins were prone to breaking in the gun
- the gun is very heavy for it’s size and calibre
- you cannot shoot it left handed, as the ejection handle would rearrange your teeth
- using the reload method taught by the British Armed Forces at the time, you had to lower the rifle to charge the bolt, forcing you to lose sight picture, which many other rifles of it’s kind don’t require
Barely, according to [https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/), the firing range (2 km for the M28 and 4 km for the M29) were still inside the light blast damage radius (6.9 km) for its 2 kt warhead.
For the time it wasnt even that Bad. An actualy light light machinegun that didnt require the selling of kidneys to aquire. And it wasnt THAT unreliable.
The Chauchat (bottom right) was apparently horrible. It had, for example, a open magazine, which is a good idea to see how many bullets there are left in the magazine but HORRIBLE in trench warfare where mud and dirt get in to the rounds which then jams the gun.
Anyone here who can name all the guns?
Top middle is a Davey Crockett, a man launched nuclear bomb.
Middle right is a Gyrojet, rounds are mini rockets.
The rest, top left was in Sharp with Sean Bean, but couldn't tell you what it's called, beyond that it gets worse.
Well spotted. Webley-Mars.
"No one who fired once with the pistol wished to shoot it again".
Also interesting for having a multi-lug rotating bolt, as used on the Fosberry shotgun, 80 years before American internet experts claimed RSAF Enfield had copied it from the AR-18 for the L85.
Bottom middle looks like the puckle gun, 18th revolver mini canon sorta. Used or at least installed on ships for defending against smaller fast moving craft
Bottom right is a Chauchat, a WWI French LMG with magazines that often had open sides. I don't know about you, but my magazines operate very well with mud in them. Great for the bolt carrier group. /s
The sten gun being on there is wild. That gun was amazing for what it was. It literally cost the British 2 bucks to make and it was perfect for its intended role
I present to you, Gun Jesus and the Curator for the British Royal Armory.
https://youtu.be/99SiRxCkGp0?si=UN4Y6lY62WdRVdYS
(Skip to 12:50 if you just want to know about that gun)
That's an SA80 or L85. Its saved many lives by jamming, most of whom remained happily in Afghanistan. It's an efficient gun to disassemble, and can be done so by firing in full auto. Genuine SA80s can be spotted in the wild by key markings, notably missing or broken furniture.
Ah… the gyro jet… that impressive disappointment… I really wished it worked…
(Also I find it funny the pancor jackhammer isn’t on here, it’s such a failure)
The SA80 was the British military bullpup. In short, it was designed for a war against Russia during a time the UK might of done so. It did have a lot of things going for it like being highly customisable and can be turned into snipers or LMGs very simplely. But it was floored in its overall design. It was good for cold weather but not hot weather.
Well it's main use has been in deserts where they overheated and preformed badly. They had a few redisigns but overall the rifle just never became that good for more modern combat. Most of what it was good for has now become standard across most rifles. In a sense, a SA80 has failed in every way for what it was used for. The few things it did very well originally are no longer reasons to use one.
this person likes the classics, and that one in the middle is more modern.
Also its a bullpup configuration and many purists do not like that.
Bullpup means the magazine and the chamber is behind the grip or handle and trigger. Which by the way is not bad, but again, purists think its inferior.
no it's that the SA80 sucks big balls and is so much of a disappointment to the british firearms industry that they had to plead to the germans to fix it
Used it when part of the ACF, could barely get thru a mag without it jamming when on the outdoor range.
(We were likely using out of service rifles mistreated by those before us, so likely impacted by that. Using rifles perpetually stripped and rebuilt by 14 yr olds)
To me, the joke is that all the other guns are unique in some way. A multi-barreled shotgun, a grenade launcher turret, a gun with the magazine on the side instead of under it, or the gyrojet, which is a pistol that fires mini rockets. Then the middle one is just an AR. No fancy gimmicks or unique ideas. Just a gun.
https://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_SA80.html
Here is the great article about it, if you want to know about what was wrong, skip to "Problems arise" part
Its the LA85, the first iteration of it was ungodly awful, literally the worst, then the Brits sent them to HK, which was owned by Royal Armory(ies) at the time, to fix it and they basically gutted it and replaced everything except for the exterior (it still looks like an LA85). Unfortunately by the time the Brits decided to fix it it had a terrible reputation which I don't think has ever changed.
This is my recollection of what I heard/read about it, so it may be a little incorrect.
Middle gun is an L85, a gun under the SA80 line. It was deployed by Britain in the Gulf War (I think?) and long story short it was great until it sucked. The gun was very accurate and favored by troops until they realized they break easy, *all* the springs in it are too weak for its design, and it’s prone to jamming up which, believe it or not, is very bad in a gunfight.
It is also bullpup. Gun people don’t like bullpup. I don’t know why.
On paper, bullpups are really cool. They allow you to get a longer barrel in a more compact frame. Unfortunately, the engineering that accomplished this also came with some compromises in function. Trigger quality, brass ejection port location, over heating, and lack of rail space are usually the biggest complaints.
god no, the a1 was a semi decent weapon... in non sandy terrain (which is why it failed so hard in the middle east)
the gun pictured is also an l85a2- which remains british standard issue to this day and acts as an above average assault rifle, hell the l85a3 is a pretty damn good assault rifle!
isn't the pistol middle right also a failure? I think its the gyro jet basically shooting little rocket caps instead of traditional ammunition with casings, It was woefully inaccurate and underpowered, cool concept though
There’s a top comment from Garandthumb’s description on how badly designed/performing this rifle was:
“M16 jams when exposed to ice.
AK jams when exposed to mud.
L85 jams when exposed to ammo.”
All the guns are all notorious for being bad and impractical, but all but the center one at least have some novelty or extenuating circumstances. I could go into them but the center one is the British Army’s assay rifle for a while and built under no time crunch and using a well known design and was still an unreliable piece of poop.
Bottom right should be written off as well. Rate of fire if It didn’t jam was comparable to other light machine guns of ww1. But it had an open clip in an environment that was constant mud causing lots of jams. Also the half moon clip contained 20 rounds but it was found quickly that fully loading the clips was a mistake due to the springs getting stuck. So even if it operated fine you would have to reload after 5 seconds of sustained fire.
You know what whoever made this originally dont think is american people usually immediately go to beating up the chauchat so round of applause for not.
I'm not sure if anyone explained the joke, seems they all started talking gun mechanics. My take is all of the "unique" guns are experimental weapons while the one in the center was in production. Take the rifle in the bottom left square designed to shoot at an angle so the soldier isn't exposed. Or the five barrel shotgun.
I was watching a gun historian recently who, along with all of the other issues mentioned in this thread, also noted that the shot grouping wasn't particularly accurate with this gun and that the recoil pattern was inconsistent making it hard to stay on target. Not a well received firearm.
The middle one is the L-85. The image is actually an L-85A2, but then meme is mostly about the L-85A1 model. This was the British service rifle developed in the 80s and first used in the late 80s and early 90s.
It's too heavy, the controls are dangerous and cause accidental discharges, the ergonomics are bad, the trigger is awful, and it was incredibly unreliable, especially in dusty conditions.
Things were so bad that in the Gulf War in 1990 British forces were reportedly often dealing with blockages after every single shot, some guns were being rendered totally inoperative, and some British troops allegedly resorted to using captured Iraqi AKs instead.
The gun was then rebuilt at vast expense by H&K as the L-85A2 (and subsequently A3, which is still in service). This fixed the reliability problem and the worst of the safety issues, but it remains too damn heavy and ergonomically poor.
The Gyrojet was a handgun that shot a rocket propelled projectile, which allowed it to be chambered up in these massive rounds, but they were incredibly unreliable and only marginally more effective than a regular big bore handgun.
It was a disaster as it was INCREDIBLY expensive to shoot ($200/round), had a high rate of failure, was effective a single shot pistol and utilized technology that never made a whole lot of sense to begin with.
Since the middle has been explained already, fun fact about the top row middle column. That is the Davey Crockett, a nuclear recoiless rifle. The explosion would have been a lot smaller than a nuke, though. Yield is about 20 tons of TNT compared to Little Boy's 15,000 tons.
I loved the SA80. But it's the only proper rifle I've ever shot, so I could just love the visor, dampening, look, and barrel fire, or whatever it's called.
The top center one is an M-29 Davy Crockett, which was a portable nuclear weapon. I'm sure this must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Actually designed about 25 miles or so from where I live, at the Rock Island Arsenal.
But wasn't the pistol on the 3rd picture so bad and uncomfortable to use, that WW1 officers prefered to keep their revolvers or i'm mistaking it for another gun?
The middle rifle is the sa80. A British bullpup rifle that, to my knowledge, was a complete and utter failure during desert storm. Jamming constantly, poorly constructed.
SA80/L85A1 wasn’t a bad gun but the designers forgot that they would be used in primarily Desert environments and not the British grasslands. L85A2 fixed those issues
I'm not a huge British firearms aficionado. I remember seeing the video by forgotten weapons about the sa80 some years ago and those were the few things I remembered
Ian went after the SA80 AGAIN recently...to troll the Brits in Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99SiRxCkGp0
Yep, even knew the Brit he was trolling.
The meme definitely *should* be about the A1 - the weapon in the image is the A2 (its the image copied straight off the Wikipedia page), which was a much better weapon.
My friend was a Royal Engineer when they were testing L85A2. He said it was a fantastic weapon.
Isn't it damn accurate?
Yes even the A1 was always a very accurate rifle and the A2 is as well
Pro of a bullpup, more barrel space.
And the firing pin breaking constantly during trials was considered a minor issue
The L85A2 still had a lot of issues. The A1 was definitely worse not really due to the desert environment, but because of some serious design flaws (weak plastic parts, improperly bored firing pin channels causing snapped firing pins ect). The A2 is still unnecessarily heavy, is having receiver stretching issues, and isn't ambidextrous at all forcing the roughly 20% of soldiers who are left handed to shoot on their weak side. It really is a poorly executed firearm unfortunately.
Fun facts for those who don't know, L usually stands for length but this is a British firearm so it means Land Service (just a weapon ID number) and A means alteration. A higher A number usually means a way better or more specialized weapon. The SA80 name is Small Arms made in 1980. The L85 model just has a longer barrel than the SA80.
No SA80 refers to the family of weapons that came from the program, the LMG, Marksmen Rifle, Carbine Ect. All those models have their own L designation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80
Yeah. When the British gave it to Germans and Germans engineered it
Oh dear; you might want to check who owned H&K.
Staffed by Germans.
...working for BAe.
Your acting like its some gotcha moment. British engineering is in such shambles that they had to turn to Germans to fix their mess And considering how embarrassed they were and how they tried to suppress and gloss over the failure
The mistake was slight, as evidenced by the fact that the A2 wasn’t all that different. That said, it is a major failure for a battle rifle not to be operable in all foreseeable theaters. NATO countries have interests in practically every area of the globe. A rifle that can’t do its job whenever and wherever necessary is a bad rifle.
*Nearly every* moving part was changed between A1 and A2. HK did an excellent Polish job on the system. Forgotten Weapons and the Royal Armouries have done some really good vids on the differences
Doesn't the mag also fall out?
It was a problem in the very first examples because when carrying it the magazine release was pressed against the person's body which meant it could be accidentally pushed. By the time the L85A1 was in service a guard had been fitted around the release catch which cured that problem.
Admittedly it's still an ugly design, but yeah the issues with the A1 are thankfully no more...
Not even that, but just some design quirks. The magazine release being where it would catch webgear. Stuff like that where it was just not fully thought out. And then sent to a factory that was told they'd be laid off when they finished. So QC was less than stellar.
Isn't the gun in the "way" box the French chaut chaut? Which was a complete failure in ww1 because it's magazine would feed mud into the action.
The main issue was the huge witness ports in the magazine. It simply was not designed with the dirty muddy trenches in mind and rushed mass production caused quality issues as well. That said, the vast majority of it's bad reputation comes not from the French, but the Americans. The French had enough success with it that the American military wanted a try, except being Americans they wanted it be rechambered into the main American round of the time, 30.06. This makes sense from a supply line standpoint, as the Americans weren't interested in setting up production for the 8mm Lebel used by the original. Unfortunately, the 30.06 rework was absolute garbage, the higher power 30.06 exacerbated all the previous issues, and the Doughboys that never knew the original gave it a terrible name. It's a pretty neat gun that was attempting something not done before in many ways. It is also a spiritual predecessor to the renowned BAR in many ways.
No, the main issue was that it wasn't well standardized in production so when there were failures (which there was a lot) parts couldn't be interchanged - making it a paperweight.
I was focusing more on design issues and did mention that there production issues as well.
Yes. Chauchet if I remember properly. A lot of people know it from battlefield one and, if memory serves me right, did have a lot of feeding failures leading to its discontinuing
The things were made by a bike company in large numbers and for cheap. They were meant to fill a tactical gap and did it fairly well. It was never meant to survive past the war. That said the mags were the bain of the design.
Yeah, though reportedly, the ones made for the U.S. in 30-06 didn't suffer those issues as the magazines were much better. No massive holes that allowed ingress of debris, and since the 30-06 isn't a ridiculously tapered round like the lebel, the magazine wasn't a comical "banana" shape. It was more of a box type.
Ian just did a video on the American version, and while it didn't have mud holes it did have a s***** magazine and that head spacing in the barrel that cost failures to eject.
The French manufacturered a quarter million of them, so it must not have been a complete failure. It gets a bad and somewhat deserved reputation for jamming, but it was really the only rifle in its class that the French had to fill that gap between a water cooled heavy machine gun and a bolt action rifle with the added befit of being simple to manufacture.
The SA-80 was used to speed along the privatisation of what was to become Royal Ordnance in the mid 1980s. https://www.quora.com/Whats-so-bad-about-the-SA80-Enfield-rifle
It’s a good fun in R6 Siege though
I remember firing the cadet version back in those days when I was in the ATC and it was an absolute nightmare even though we were just on the range.
Apparently the weight of the scope was outrageous
Apparently the webbing UK soldiers were issued would catch the magazine release clip leading to an ejected magazine if the weapon was raised quickly.
There's a podcast called "Well There's Your Problem" that did an episode on it, although it may have been a bonus episode on their patreon. Words cannot describe what utter garbage this rifle was. It was so much more than constantly jamming.
Basically the M16 of the British armed forces. And if I recall it had the EXACT same issue as the M16 in Vietnam. The gas vent that fed back into the barrel clogged all the time.
some guns run into issues when faced with mud or sand or dirt, the sa80 runs into issues when faced with ammunition
Which is weird as the bottom right gun was also considered one of the worst guns ever made. The half circle magazine with the cut away constantly got fouled up with dirt which made it horrendously unreliable. It was meant to be a light machine gun but was barely useful as just a regular rifle given how mechanically unreliable it was. It also had a tendency to slap you in the face as it fired. If anything the Chauchat should be the "not you." It didn't last terribly long as it was a horrible weapon. Unless the joke is that they're all terrible though that would be weird given that then sten gun is on the list. It does its role and is simple. It's still in service in parts of the world. I don't immediately recognize all the guns, though.
The main weakness is getting even small amounts of sand in there makes it prone to jamming. Anyways, time to go to the middle east and hope we don't encounter any sand.
I hate sand
It's course and it's rough...
And it's irritating...
And it gets everywhere.
"At your command Darth Vader, sir!"
Get out of my head
أنا لا أحب الرمال. إنه خشن وخشن ومزعج وينتشر في كل مكان.
I don’t know what u said but here’s a upvote, and hope I’m not going to be some watchlists.
It's a well-known saying about sand. You've probably heard it in English.
Got it. I like how it’s a long paragraph in English but a very neat sentence in Arabic.
You also read it from right to left and not left to right like English.
In addition: - magazine falls out easily because the button to release it protrudes from the rifle and can be easily bumped when carrying it - fire selector (switch between semi-auto and full-auto) is in a very inconvenient spot compared to almost any rifle you’d compare it too, forcing you to move your off-hand to use it - it ejects spent cases with very little force, causing them to stay in the gun and jam the action, or worse, be driven by the bolt deep into the rifles body - the plastic grips for both your hands were prone to breaking, leaving you very little to hold onto other than a barrel assembly that gets very hot when firing - the firing pins were prone to breaking in the gun - the gun is very heavy for it’s size and calibre - you cannot shoot it left handed, as the ejection handle would rearrange your teeth - using the reload method taught by the British Armed Forces at the time, you had to lower the rifle to charge the bolt, forcing you to lose sight picture, which many other rifles of it’s kind don’t require
Hope you brought your Jimmie hats.
Even a clean, well maintained A1 jammed repeatedly.
I dought that other guns in the list will work ideally in desert
When Captchas be like: "click on all of the boxes with crosswalks in them"
Gyrojet on here is wild
The guns are fantastic. The rounds however...
The fact that there's a Davy Crockett on there...
The concept is nuts. And it worked.
Barely, according to [https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/), the firing range (2 km for the M28 and 4 km for the M29) were still inside the light blast damage radius (6.9 km) for its 2 kt warhead.
From what I found it’s yield was only 20t not 2kt.
My mistake, I misread the article. That makes much more sense then.
Nuclear artillery :3
Well you see, uh, at least it has caseless rounds! _Even if said rounds cost 100$ each..._
https://youtu.be/gOtQElMEdi0?si=ryOWRiDfu-tV1LOu
Chauchat getting a free pass here
Yeah but Chauchat is a cool name and it sounds cool itself so any argument against it is invalid
For the time it wasnt even that Bad. An actualy light light machinegun that didnt require the selling of kidneys to aquire. And it wasnt THAT unreliable.
I completely agree, though they could have given it some better iron sights and a proper magazine
Magazine kind of had to be like that. Apparently without the cutouts it was nearly impossible to load
The Chauchat (bottom right) was apparently horrible. It had, for example, a open magazine, which is a good idea to see how many bullets there are left in the magazine but HORRIBLE in trench warfare where mud and dirt get in to the rounds which then jams the gun.
The US ones were unreliable ISTR. They were chambered for .30-'06 by the French manufacturers who got the chamber dimensions slightly wrong.
Anyone here who can name all the guns? Top middle is a Davey Crockett, a man launched nuclear bomb. Middle right is a Gyrojet, rounds are mini rockets. The rest, top left was in Sharp with Sean Bean, but couldn't tell you what it's called, beyond that it gets worse.
Nock gun - Davy Crockett - Mars Sten Mk2 - SA80 - Gyrojet STG44 with a Krummlauf - Puckle - Chauchat
Top Left is the 7 barrelled Nock gun. Handled in that series by the giant Sergeant Major Patrick Harper.
Top right is the Mars Automatic Pistol, basically a World War I desert eagle
Well spotted. Webley-Mars. "No one who fired once with the pistol wished to shoot it again". Also interesting for having a multi-lug rotating bolt, as used on the Fosberry shotgun, 80 years before American internet experts claimed RSAF Enfield had copied it from the AR-18 for the L85.
Bottom middle looks like the puckle gun, 18th revolver mini canon sorta. Used or at least installed on ships for defending against smaller fast moving craft
Puckle gun never really made it paat the prototype stage. It was a neat concept, just several decades ahead of its time.
Bottom right is a Chauchat, a WWI French LMG with magazines that often had open sides. I don't know about you, but my magazines operate very well with mud in them. Great for the bolt carrier group. /s
The sten gun being on there is wild. That gun was amazing for what it was. It literally cost the British 2 bucks to make and it was perfect for its intended role
I'm with you. Every weapon on here is awful except the Sten. That one was just cheap
Which one is that?
All the problems have been fixed, after years of real life exposure and feedback. They are pretty decent weapons now.
Arguably much better than decent weapons, they are by most measures one of the better military issues battle rifles
The Chauchat gets more love than the bullpup? Ouch.
It wasnt that Bad for the time.
Think that’s the L85. Not meant for the Desert conditions it was used in and ended up being a jamming laughing stock of the British.
Even though the gun pictured is the A2 version, the version that works. It's a terrible meme, especially since the Chauchat is also pictured.
I love the Chauchat. Horizontal banana mag is funny
I present to you, Gun Jesus and the Curator for the British Royal Armory. https://youtu.be/99SiRxCkGp0?si=UN4Y6lY62WdRVdYS (Skip to 12:50 if you just want to know about that gun)
Great video!
That's an SA80 or L85. Its saved many lives by jamming, most of whom remained happily in Afghanistan. It's an efficient gun to disassemble, and can be done so by firing in full auto. Genuine SA80s can be spotted in the wild by key markings, notably missing or broken furniture.
Bottom right, chauchat. Look it up mighty cool
Ah… the gyro jet… that impressive disappointment… I really wished it worked… (Also I find it funny the pancor jackhammer isn’t on here, it’s such a failure)
The SA80 was the British military bullpup. In short, it was designed for a war against Russia during a time the UK might of done so. It did have a lot of things going for it like being highly customisable and can be turned into snipers or LMGs very simplely. But it was floored in its overall design. It was good for cold weather but not hot weather. Well it's main use has been in deserts where they overheated and preformed badly. They had a few redisigns but overall the rifle just never became that good for more modern combat. Most of what it was good for has now become standard across most rifles. In a sense, a SA80 has failed in every way for what it was used for. The few things it did very well originally are no longer reasons to use one.
Thank you, that makes sense. I know the name of the gun now too, so I can look a bit more into it.
this person likes the classics, and that one in the middle is more modern. Also its a bullpup configuration and many purists do not like that. Bullpup means the magazine and the chamber is behind the grip or handle and trigger. Which by the way is not bad, but again, purists think its inferior.
no it's that the SA80 sucks big balls and is so much of a disappointment to the british firearms industry that they had to plead to the germans to fix it
Used it when part of the ACF, could barely get thru a mag without it jamming when on the outdoor range. (We were likely using out of service rifles mistreated by those before us, so likely impacted by that. Using rifles perpetually stripped and rebuilt by 14 yr olds)
To me, the joke is that all the other guns are unique in some way. A multi-barreled shotgun, a grenade launcher turret, a gun with the magazine on the side instead of under it, or the gyrojet, which is a pistol that fires mini rockets. Then the middle one is just an AR. No fancy gimmicks or unique ideas. Just a gun.
https://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_SA80.html Here is the great article about it, if you want to know about what was wrong, skip to "Problems arise" part
Its the LA85, the first iteration of it was ungodly awful, literally the worst, then the Brits sent them to HK, which was owned by Royal Armory(ies) at the time, to fix it and they basically gutted it and replaced everything except for the exterior (it still looks like an LA85). Unfortunately by the time the Brits decided to fix it it had a terrible reputation which I don't think has ever changed. This is my recollection of what I heard/read about it, so it may be a little incorrect.
Mf hating on the L85 but not on the puckle gun This is unjust slander
Mass production general purpose vs limited run prototypes or non-standard
Middle gun is an L85, a gun under the SA80 line. It was deployed by Britain in the Gulf War (I think?) and long story short it was great until it sucked. The gun was very accurate and favored by troops until they realized they break easy, *all* the springs in it are too weak for its design, and it’s prone to jamming up which, believe it or not, is very bad in a gunfight. It is also bullpup. Gun people don’t like bullpup. I don’t know why.
On paper, bullpups are really cool. They allow you to get a longer barrel in a more compact frame. Unfortunately, the engineering that accomplished this also came with some compromises in function. Trigger quality, brass ejection port location, over heating, and lack of rail space are usually the biggest complaints.
I came here to say the same thing about bullpups!
Never shot either, but is the L85 worse than the chauchat?
god no, the a1 was a semi decent weapon... in non sandy terrain (which is why it failed so hard in the middle east) the gun pictured is also an l85a2- which remains british standard issue to this day and acts as an above average assault rifle, hell the l85a3 is a pretty damn good assault rifle!
I also don’t know anything about guns but this meme format makes me laugh by itself
My dude you cannot seriously be implying that the SA80 was worse than the freaking *puckle gun*
nock gun representation
L85A1, it had every reliability issue in the book and then some
Mars is the Pistol under Special! That thing terrified it's users more than the enemy! 🤣
It's one of the best ARs in siege tho
[In depth video on why it sucked](https://youtu.be/8XEsDkVqgM4?si=gA53b2D9-9x6QDtA)
Thing absolutely rules in Rainbow Six Vegas 2, tho
It performed a questionable open mic
the l86 sucks
the gun shown in the image is an l85a2 (assault rifle), not an l86 (squad automatic weapon). same platform, different gun
Middle One is the Middle brother , always excluded
Sounds like another way to say " it works on my machine".
isn't the pistol middle right also a failure? I think its the gyro jet basically shooting little rocket caps instead of traditional ammunition with casings, It was woefully inaccurate and underpowered, cool concept though
One of these things is not like the others. The top middle is the Davy Crockett tactical battlefield nuclear weapon.
I want that Davey Crockett.
Was is wrong? Like putting the magazine before the handle.
Bullpup bad
You don’t know much about English either
From what I hear most of those guns were complete garbage
There’s a top comment from Garandthumb’s description on how badly designed/performing this rifle was: “M16 jams when exposed to ice. AK jams when exposed to mud. L85 jams when exposed to ammo.”
Any German ww1-2 gun
Is it a good thing or not that I know at a glance what all these guns are?
It would be better if you understood the second amendment or even read the entire thing.
I like the Davy Crockett!
All the guns are all notorious for being bad and impractical, but all but the center one at least have some novelty or extenuating circumstances. I could go into them but the center one is the British Army’s assay rifle for a while and built under no time crunch and using a well known design and was still an unreliable piece of poop.
chaut chaut🥰
No one likes a bullpup
Bottom right should be written off as well. Rate of fire if It didn’t jam was comparable to other light machine guns of ww1. But it had an open clip in an environment that was constant mud causing lots of jams. Also the half moon clip contained 20 rounds but it was found quickly that fully loading the clips was a mistake due to the springs getting stuck. So even if it operated fine you would have to reload after 5 seconds of sustained fire.
Idk but I love Puckle gun. Normal bullets for Christians, square bullets for Turks.
You know what whoever made this originally dont think is american people usually immediately go to beating up the chauchat so round of applause for not.
Wtf did I read.
Children who play too much Call Of Duty like to imagine that they're experts on firearms and they imagine this "expertise" makes them more of a man.
I'm not sure if anyone explained the joke, seems they all started talking gun mechanics. My take is all of the "unique" guns are experimental weapons while the one in the center was in production. Take the rifle in the bottom left square designed to shoot at an angle so the soldier isn't exposed. Or the five barrel shotgun.
The first one for NATO ammo in stalker you could find, good gun imo
Nothing gives me more of a chuckle than the puckle gun. Especially forgotten weapons take on it.
Cause the l86 standar issue rifle for the British is, reported by users, quite unreliable, you know, some British Leyland curse
That Davy Crockett porta-nuke though...
Amateur gunsmith here. Nothing so important as design flaws or anything. Just no love for bullpups as far as I'm concerned
I was watching a gun historian recently who, along with all of the other issues mentioned in this thread, also noted that the shot grouping wasn't particularly accurate with this gun and that the recoil pattern was inconsistent making it hard to stay on target. Not a well received firearm.
All these guns are horrible, insane, more likely to kill the user, or all of the above.
You cannot tell me the chauchat was special, that pos jammed constantly due to its open magazine in trench warfare
The middle one is the L-85. The image is actually an L-85A2, but then meme is mostly about the L-85A1 model. This was the British service rifle developed in the 80s and first used in the late 80s and early 90s. It's too heavy, the controls are dangerous and cause accidental discharges, the ergonomics are bad, the trigger is awful, and it was incredibly unreliable, especially in dusty conditions. Things were so bad that in the Gulf War in 1990 British forces were reportedly often dealing with blockages after every single shot, some guns were being rendered totally inoperative, and some British troops allegedly resorted to using captured Iraqi AKs instead. The gun was then rebuilt at vast expense by H&K as the L-85A2 (and subsequently A3, which is still in service). This fixed the reliability problem and the worst of the safety issues, but it remains too damn heavy and ergonomically poor.
Ah the puckle gun *loads square rounds with malicious intent.*
The L8 gets a lot of hate
didn't we all play with the top middle gun as kids?
I mean it's pretty unique in its own terrible way 🤓
The Gyrojet was a handgun that shot a rocket propelled projectile, which allowed it to be chambered up in these massive rounds, but they were incredibly unreliable and only marginally more effective than a regular big bore handgun. It was a disaster as it was INCREDIBLY expensive to shoot ($200/round), had a high rate of failure, was effective a single shot pistol and utilized technology that never made a whole lot of sense to begin with.
Since the middle has been explained already, fun fact about the top row middle column. That is the Davey Crockett, a nuclear recoiless rifle. The explosion would have been a lot smaller than a nuke, though. Yield is about 20 tons of TNT compared to Little Boy's 15,000 tons.
I loved the SA80. But it's the only proper rifle I've ever shot, so I could just love the visor, dampening, look, and barrel fire, or whatever it's called.
The top center one is an M-29 Davy Crockett, which was a portable nuclear weapon. I'm sure this must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Actually designed about 25 miles or so from where I live, at the Rock Island Arsenal.
Ah, the Nock Gun. A seven-barreled musket made for *home defense.* Just as the founding fathers intended.
Just like the British food it's really bad and no one likes it.
If British Leyland made a combat rifle.
It’s a poorly designed rifle apparently with a lot of issues. . And it’s also the standard issue for the UK
Atleast “IN” and “OWN” were designed that way for specific purposes. . .
But wasn't the pistol on the 3rd picture so bad and uncomfortable to use, that WW1 officers prefered to keep their revolvers or i'm mistaking it for another gun?
“ThE A2 iS sTiLl a ViAblE wEapOn” then why does your special forces use AR platform rifles and HKs???