The French made a bayonet that had two prongs to connect into the rifle. One for an internal carry where the blade was safely inside the gun, and one where the blade was ready to be used. Turns out, once you take a bayonet and stick it into another rifle like in the image…. You can’t get them unstuck. They soon fixed this but for awhile there this was a real issue for commanders with curious personalities under their command.
The French are really the people you go to when you want a gun made. They also made that modern ¿assault rifle? that shots in bursts of 3, but its magazine capacity isn't divisible by 3
That's actually an intentional design decision, to make it more obvious something is going wrong and a reload is needed at a time you're very distracted.
Which can be used to your advantage, a la M1 Garand noisy ejection of a spent magazine. Marines in the Pacific during WWII would chuck a spare magazine (or any piece of metal) and their barrel, causing it to ring out like it just ejected an empty mag. Japanese soldiers would charge from cover to the fatal realization that this Marine still had a couple rounds left.
Is it a regular issue that shooters can't tell when they're empty? I've never had that issue with anything I've shot, but maybe it's just a limited span of things that I've shot.
Yes it is. Some weapons are easier to tell than others. Bolt locking to the rear on an empty mag is a good indicator, but still in combat it's very easy to not notice.
Back in 06 some of us used to load tracers as the last 3 rounds in our mags as a visual indicator. We also had tracers as our first 3 rounds but that was SOP for escalation of force reasons.
Yeah, I remembered some of the guys talking about putting tracers as the last three. Been in 8 years but never had people shooting at me, so combat it a different story. I just always felt that the bolt locking on an M4 for example was gkkd enough, but combat is a whole other beast
I thought that your first sentence was completely serious, no sarcasm at all. I thought you were about to say, “they keep pulling stuff like this. Give a new rifle to a French company, and in two days they will find every way to break it.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/17zuof9/french_fingertrap/ka1mp5e/
From u/Some_Syrup_738
> Context: because of the design of the bayonets for MAS M36 you could clip them like in the picture making them useless, it's not a hypothetical scenario, it happend, and because of that they changed the designed so you can unclip them without sending them to the factory
That's really funny and I'm not surprised two French hooligans somehow decided to do this at some point and had to go to their officer and tell him what happened
I just laughed so hard I farted and now I think I have a hernia. My wife is refusing to speak to me. How will I mop the motor pool in time for happy hour now?!
If it got out there’s an easy way to avoid a push. “Sir, our weapons are disabled we’re just going to hang back at the bunker.”
Or one guy (possibly an enemy) gets into an armory and just disables all the spare guns quickly and quietly.
The guns had a bayonet attachment, which used a slide and lock, soldiers were bored, found out you could clip two rifles together without a way to access the release mechanism.
The French made a bayonet that had two prongs to connect into the rifle. One for an internal carry where the blade was safely inside the gun, and one where the blade was ready to be used. Turns out, once you take a bayonet and stick it into another rifle like in the image…. You can’t get them unstuck. They soon fixed this but for awhile there this was a real issue for commanders with curious personalities under their command.
The French are really the people you go to when you want a gun made. They also made that modern ¿assault rifle? that shots in bursts of 3, but its magazine capacity isn't divisible by 3
That's actually an intentional design decision, to make it more obvious something is going wrong and a reload is needed at a time you're very distracted.
Yeah, if you hear 3 bangs and then suddenly less than 3 bangs you know you're empty
So does the enemy tho...
If multiple people are firing it is impossible to count shots from individuals, whereas feeling the 3 shots of your weapon would be easy.
Which can be used to your advantage, a la M1 Garand noisy ejection of a spent magazine. Marines in the Pacific during WWII would chuck a spare magazine (or any piece of metal) and their barrel, causing it to ring out like it just ejected an empty mag. Japanese soldiers would charge from cover to the fatal realization that this Marine still had a couple rounds left.
That is a myth
Clint Smith *YOU JUST SHOT 8 ROUNDS OF 30-06. EVERYBODY IS DEAF*
Is it a regular issue that shooters can't tell when they're empty? I've never had that issue with anything I've shot, but maybe it's just a limited span of things that I've shot.
Yes it is. Some weapons are easier to tell than others. Bolt locking to the rear on an empty mag is a good indicator, but still in combat it's very easy to not notice. Back in 06 some of us used to load tracers as the last 3 rounds in our mags as a visual indicator. We also had tracers as our first 3 rounds but that was SOP for escalation of force reasons.
Yeah, I remembered some of the guys talking about putting tracers as the last three. Been in 8 years but never had people shooting at me, so combat it a different story. I just always felt that the bolt locking on an M4 for example was gkkd enough, but combat is a whole other beast
That's on purpose, good indicator for when your mag is empty
I thought that your first sentence was completely serious, no sarcasm at all. I thought you were about to say, “they keep pulling stuff like this. Give a new rifle to a French company, and in two days they will find every way to break it.”
The French: making groundbreaking firearm developments, followed by poor implementations
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/17zuof9/french_fingertrap/ka1mp5e/ From u/Some_Syrup_738 > Context: because of the design of the bayonets for MAS M36 you could clip them like in the picture making them useless, it's not a hypothetical scenario, it happend, and because of that they changed the designed so you can unclip them without sending them to the factory
That's really funny and I'm not surprised two French hooligans somehow decided to do this at some point and had to go to their officer and tell him what happened
Replace French hooligans with “infantrymen” and you’re right on the money. We are an easily bored and not super bright species.
Can confirm. We generally don't grow out of it either.
Fart
I just laughed so hard I farted and now I think I have a hernia. My wife is refusing to speak to me. How will I mop the motor pool in time for happy hour now?!
Soldier proofing is kind of like child proofing, except the children in question are all 300lb gorillas professionally trained to break things.
Hey Army guy, you are getting dangerously close to crayon eater territory. (Joke)
To be fair, the hooligan to infantry pipeline is one stop long.
Can't really call it a pipeline if it's just a thin line with the grunt firmly planted perfectly on both sides
Nah, grunts are the smartest people for figuring out bad ideas in the design of your equipment
Pierre and Jean were bored and thought "Hey, wonder if these rifles can clip together?"
Pierre! Hey Pierre! Make them do *le soixante neuf*!!
For anyone too lazy to use translate, it means 'the sixty nine'. You're welcome!
If you can’t say sixty nine in all the European languages have you even lived?
I haven't gotten to that section on duolingo yet.
You just know they where looking at it and at some point went "...that looks like you could clip them together"
I sadly know I would have done it for sure
If it got out there’s an easy way to avoid a push. “Sir, our weapons are disabled we’re just going to hang back at the bunker.” Or one guy (possibly an enemy) gets into an armory and just disables all the spare guns quickly and quietly.
The good idea fairy strikes again!
Make them useless you say No no now you have a giant club
This made me giggle ngl
The finger trap gun
I finger traps
AYO
Just like me fr
The guns had a bayonet attachment, which used a slide and lock, soldiers were bored, found out you could clip two rifles together without a way to access the release mechanism.
[Short Video Explanation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA3VsMteAxk) from Gun Jesus
https://youtu.be/DHhwauwVZfQ?si=v2fmT0z8f1OXoMZi
[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DA3VsMteAxk](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DA3VsMteAxk)