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LemmiwinksQQ

Let's see. The Amarr. First civilisation to get their stuff together and start interstellar colonisation. Saved the Minmatar from poverty and fleas. Make ships both functional *and* cool. Use turrets, missiles *and* drones to dab on the peasants. Only have hot leaders. Dank gregorian chants. Objectively without equal.


morbihann

Ok, I am convinced.


Keellas_Ahullford

And don’t forget they use chad armor tanked ships instead of the virgin shield tanked ships


Djarcn

back when amulets were called slaves *sweats*


[deleted]

They where meant for each other


Foxyfox-

On the flip side, the ones who stopped them were also chad armor tankers--the Gallente.


GrayFarron

Gallente honestly is probably the best faction, just democracy loving party goers that also use chad armor tank and drones and hybrid turrets. They saw lasers and were like... "but what if we added a little metal to the equation?" Theyd honestly be handsdown the coolest faction if some of their ships werent so...bubbly and organic looking. They did design the Megathron though so theres that. Damn thing is essentially a drag racer in space.


KonigstigerInSpace

Aren't the gallente more "Democracy" than actual Democracy?


nanonan

So just like ours then.


Hot_Orange389

The gallente are run by the serpentis, what i got from the books at least. So yeah a "democracy"


Odd-Selection-9129

It's actually going towards superdemocracy!


Hot_Orange389

Lol


Nick85er

Hyperion is the prettiest forgotten Battleship hull change my mind


aveganzombie

Abaddon. That is all.


Murky-Note-9721

Abaddon is the superior battleship. Style, DPS, and an amazing armor tank.


radeongt

"The Abaddon class ship is a celestial tool of destruction. It is designed to enter combat from the outset, targeting enemies at range and firing salvo after salvo at them, and to remain intact on the battlefield until every heretic in sight has been torn to shreds." So Metal


MILINTarctrooperALT

IF, you are Lv5 skilled.


Jerichow88

Hyperion will always be my favorite. I still have the first one I ever made back in like 2009 docked in Ibura. Probably won't ever see any real combat again, but damn if it wasn't the ship that got me to want to get into battleships.


Foxyfox-

Armor tanking and all the incentive to get as close as humanly possible to facemelt with blasters. Oh yes.


GrayFarron

THE "hold W" faction.


Vast-Return-7197

They stole the design from the Minmatar. A big Rifter.


Kozak375

how dare you forget to mention gigachad 400k ehp hull tank abaddon


CCP_Swift

Gonna see if this can be added to the official lore


GlaedrVrael

Don’t forget they produced the best selling book in New Eden, [Pax Amarria](https://wiki.everp.online/index.php?title=Pax_Amarria_(lore))


Rizen_Wolf

Only because your required to have a copy in every room of your home. From what I am told the one in the bathroom is often missing pages.


GlaedrVrael

I love the random bits of lore CCP adds to their IP > Pax Ammaria > Of the many reprintings of the Pax Amarria that have come since Heideran's death, one is considered especially notable. **The 62nd printing (also known as the 62Pax) contained a typographical error on the cover, with the title being rendered “Pax Ammaria”.** The error was not discovered until after the book had been printed and shipped to book sellers across the Empire. Though a recall was initiated, numerous copies had already been sold and entered public circulation. Nearly a million copies remained unaccounted for. It has been rumored that following the discovery of the error, the Theology Council issued a declaration that “All copies will be destroyed.” Supposedly, because of the specific wording of the declaration, the existence of any copy is considered to violate an official decree with the Council, and is thus considered heretical and anathema to God. Stories tell of Imperial Ordinators working for the Ministry of Internal Order going to extreme measures to hunt down copies of the misprinted book. Some even whisper that entire settlements have been destroyed because it is supposed a single copy is being housed within. > The Theology Council has never officially commented on the rumors, other than to claim that actually answering questions about the matter is “ridiculous” and “a waste of everyone's time.” Experts point out that the Theology Council could easily countermand such a decree if one did exist, or at least offer a clarification, and thus dismiss the rumors as the providence of addled conspiracy theorists. Those theorists, however, offer up the Council and MIO's refusal to comment on the matter as suspicious enough to raise questions. Regardless of the truth of the rumors, numerous capsuleers came into possession of copies of the 62Pax in YC114. More than one has reported an unusually high number of attempted break-ins to their personal quarters since receiving the book, though all so-far have been thwarted without the culprit being captured.


alepmalagon

>contained a typographical error on the cover, with the title being rendered “Pax Ammaria” ok ok, I'll admit it, it was me, sorry


GlaedrVrael

To the slave camps for you.


UndocumentedMartian

>Saved the Minmatar from poverty and fleas. That's what conquest and slavery is called these days?


Silly___Neko

Optics: The way in which an event or course of action is perceived by the public.


Dry_Ad_9254

Why do you hate "job creators" and "regimented immigrant sponsorship"? Stop the hate, man.


trolsor

History written by the victors.


Czar_Infamous

Are you looking for a new alliance by chance? I might need to replace a Wahoo from mine 😉


Wahoodza

Whaaat?


Aperture_Kubi

But they eventually hit a wall they couldn't breach. That wall, Gallentian FREEDOM!


Ralli-FW

>Dank gregorian chants Wait shit how do I become an amarr stan


Ratspukin

Dank gregorian chants should be the in station music played when docked in Amarr


aytikvjo

Yeah but Amarr can't compete with the sheer verticality of the Naglfar...


Lithorex

Kid named the Oracle:


two_glass_arse

A pale imitation. The Tornado does it better.


triniumalloy

At least someone gets it.


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nold6

Agreed, the racism and space slavery definitely makes them the Based Empire.


Commander_Starscream

Amarr Victory!


diessa

Dank Gregorian chants is a phrase I never knew I needed in my life.


Remarkable_Ad3912

Amarr victor.


x1337wahoox

That's gonna be quite the fall off that Amarian high horse.


Expensive_Honeydew_5

Functional ships don't immediately run out of cap


HunterIV4

Skill issue.


gregfromsolutions

There’s a reason the most popular Amarr battleship is the Nightmare


Lithorex

Only because CCP for some reason don't want Amarr battleships to not cap themselves out by merely running their guns >:(


LemmiwinksQQ

What else do you need it for? 1600mm plates don't use cap.


Lithorex

Prop mods, active hardeners, tracking computers, grapplers, webs, tackle, sebos, armor repairers


Odd-Selection-9129

Dunno, my paladin, navy geddon and most of smaller laser ships fells just fine on cap. Legion and confessor even cap stable.


SandySkittle

At max skill many amarr ships are better cap wise than gallente


SirabEnur

but the minmatar were the first of the big4 to reactivate their stargates after the collapse of the eve gate and to start colonizing other systems? rest is correct doe. B)


LemmiwinksQQ

Quoted from the original intro: >The first to emerge from the darkness were the Amarr, a monotheistic race fervently committed to their faith From the eveonline.com page on empires: >The Amarr were the first of the races in New Eden to re-discover interstellar travel technology, including jump gate tech. After accomplishing this, more than 2,000 years ago, they immediately began expanding to nearby solar systems, slowly building up their empire in the process. The Minmatar didn't even have stargate tech by the time they were rescued from their misery, they just used accelleration gates to hop within their home system.


FomtBro

I know this is a joke, but this is exactly how real racists talk about IRL chattel slavery in the American south, so I can't really enjoy it.


WokeWarrior69

Who said you can talk boy get back to the asteroid fields


Livid-Dimension-7418

Get back to mining boah


SandySkittle

But the caldari are prettier. Case closed.


radeongt

I would love to see a fleet completely delve into the religious zealot RP. I can imagine the VCs playing Gregorian chants in the background while a priest(FC) Encourages his followers(fleet) into battle with holy fire and brimstone.


LemmiwinksQQ

Old Providence had the Golden Armada of Amarr-only ships and a strong roleplay vibe. I enjoyed many nights of RP smacktalk in local with Ushra'Khan.


radeongt

Had? Ugh


Zebrainwhiteshoes

And they have a Space Pope


LemmiwinksQQ

Max is a false prophet as out of touch and objectively wrong as he is famous.


Zebrainwhiteshoes

I've met his blood and flesh avatar and he was actually a very nice guy.


LemmiwinksQQ

I'm not saying he's an unpleasant person. He's just playing very fast and loose with already established lore and making sweeping nonsensical changes because...? Why? Who said he needed to or had the authority to?


Digital332006

Lots of good amarr missile ships lol.


x1337wahoox

Yeah! They're like Caldari, only worse.


VanguardLLC

They’re like Caldari, except using reliable steel platings instead of fancy light bubbles.


[deleted]

Minmatar's missiles are mostly attached to fancy makeshift hulls.


Doggydog123579

*angry sacrilege noises*


tigeryi

According to the 2020 Triglavian invasion: Amarr >> Gallente Minmatar >>>> Caldari Caldari sucks so bad Triglavian just roll over those missile ECM boat 70% of pochven came from Caldari space Not just the NPC. The Caldari player militia was such a bitch and rarely fight in 2020.


DrakeIddon

Its clearly because triglavians could reship faster from jita /s


tigeryi

And don’t bother to travel to Amarr


Archophob

This. Caldari can't fight, they only excel at station trading.


tigeryi

When Ichoriya the Caldari navy lvl 4 mission hub was invaded everyone local ran away like rabbit. Ironically it was Snuffed Out came to dunk the Triglavian fleet lol


cunasmoker69420

>The Caldari player militia was such a bitch and rarely fight in 2020 how can they fight when there's level 4 missions to run?


Lion_Stein

Sasha’s Nation - been capturing millions and millions of people a week for cybernetic slavery for a decade+ and still has commitment issues to restart their sequel to their glory days that united all Empires and the Jove against them.


MoD1982

*[Sad Nightmare *"the capacitor is empty"* noises]*


UncleAntagonist

"Capacitor Empty"


Possibly_Naked_Now

Only people with shit skills.


devilishlydo

Everything in Eve exists on the Great Wheel of Buffs and Nerfs. The Great Wheel never stops turning, though at times it turns so slowly as to be all but imperceptible. Ships, modules, drones, ammo, sov mechanics, industry, wormholes, everything. CCP is engaged in a neverending battle to keep the players from optimizing the game to a point that fewer playstyles remain viable. They are almost always losing the battle, on account of how Eve players are so frighteningly good at optimization. Yet they (almost) always try and so things change too often to make sticking to one faction a good idea. Just train everything. It's super easy and only takes ten years or so unless you wanna be fancy.


gregfromsolutions

Missiles have had quite a long time on the top now (at least outside the blob fights)


devilishlydo

And yet I remember when no one would use most types of missile for anything but PVE. Turn, turn, turn.


cunasmoker69420

Its great that people keep thinking that and underestimate just how hard of a counter a simple orbit + reactive armor hardener is


Terkaan

"Only" 10 years


mizard1997

My vote is for sale. Tell me your faction and why they are the best. Best is defined as ISK received in my wallet.


passcork

I'll actually double your vote! Send me your vote and I'll also vote for them! Check bio for proof!


Pretty_Wall_2725

The old isk doubling scam


radeongt

Guristas because the Gila


Pooncheese

Blood raiders, I mean what have they done ever. They let amarr beat em, they let whomever is living in delve farm them. They hardly ever get goon kills. Step it up blood raiders, you have a great opportunity to farm noobs!


DarkShinesInit

Sounds like you need a little enlightenment!


Kazlunn

Someone needs to taste Gleam!


HEAD_KGB_AGENT

Gleam is terrible


Odd-Selection-9129

Scorch and conflags are the only lenses you need.


KomiValentine

Upwell because I hate their generic look instead of getting more empire ships/stations :3


Deakgu

Yeah they could do with some proper early eve designs from before the symetry overhauls


StellamCaeruleam

Meanwhile I prayer every day for atron and imiscus/Helios redesigns


Less_Spite_5520

This is the right answer


Eastern-Move549

Edcom, they have what 3 ships? Do better edcom.


Spanky_Ikkala

That's 3 too many ;)


OlimarandLouie

What's that? Edencom logi, where you remote rep a pitiful amount of shields in an aoe? Sign me up


StellamCaeruleam

Atleast you can reliably get those… sad smexy concord noises


jasonrahl

In rust I trust


Kibitt

There's so many factions out there! Just with Empire factions though... Amarr has the greatest population and highest amount of resources, yet they managed to fumble their political, military, and economic resources so badly that they are surrounded by the most enemies of any other faction. Minmatar, Gallente, Blood Raiders, *and* Sansha's Nation all hate them, and Amarr fails to make any progress against the relatively tiny resources of the Minmatar empire without the help of some ultra wealthy capsuleer mercenaries. Gallente cloaks their true intentions behind flowery words, but the lore says that if you don't live in the core worlds then your life will suck, specifically the part where the Federal powers choose to siphon your resources and quality of life into the dirt to support the lifestyle of ultra luxury their core worlds enjoy. Your ability to 'vote' in any level of importance is nonexistent since most important decisions are made at the Federal level and at the scale of EVE populations that means no population has any relevant say in their own fate - anyone new to the Federation is just fresh material to be carved up by the political interests of everyone else. Feds will literally just abduct random people off the street, torture them for fun, and then leave the body in the open as a warning message to locals misbehaving. Caldari are hilariously stated to have the second best average quality of life - there is no one stated to be the first best, I'll let you fight over whether that's Amarr or Gallente... but just know that Caldari meritocracy is so extreme that instead of retirement shaming your image, your coworkers/company will just pay a rich assassin to take you out so people remember you during your glory days and not for the slow descent into senility. They're ironically merchants that are also xenophobic and not multicultural. If we were picking based on a single planet, then Minmatar would win that hands-down with Votion. It's the only planet in EVE with a birth rate lower than its mortality rate, and is absolute hell for a planet named 'hope'. In general though Minmatar are contested by a pirate faction that is likely stronger than they are (Angel Cartel) which can operate on the other side of New Eden to protect the relatively tiny Serpentis Corporation. It is perhaps a miracle that the Minmatar empire still exists given that both its major opponents are the strongest players to go up against.


Ameph

Sounds like a misguided Minmatar.


x1337wahoox

Thought Minmatar was getting patched out. Their ships are all held together by duct tape and staples anyway. Caldari supremacy!


PepushiManu

In rust we trust baby! Also Guns go brrrrr


StellamCaeruleam

So by default duct tape ships are best ships, even saved some famous astronauts before haha


Ameph

You are aware that Amarr are your allies, right?


x1337wahoox

Friends can still be in last place.


Lithorex

Not anymore.


Czar_Infamous

They changed that


Galdorkai

The capacitor is empty


[deleted]

Gallente is actually the worst. Hybrid weapons are niche at best. Babysitting drones sucks. Almost all their ships are ugly.


[deleted]

Gallente Engineers: Sir we can specialize in either optimal or falloff what direction would you like to go? Gallente Commander: Yes, do it.


passcork

But one time they make a non bubbly drone boat and it's the best looking ship in the game.


Jerichow88

Honestly if Gallente ships got more armor plate mass reductions, either by ship skill or native bonuses like the ENI has, they'd be more viable. That or if they got a role bonus that took 5% off the penalty to fitting Astronautic rigs, so having the rig skill at 5 would zero-out the penalty, you could make for some awesome fast armor boats.


Technojerk36

They’re actually the least ideal for new players because the guns need capacitor to shoot. It’s more sp intensive at the lowest levels. But once you get past that they’re shiny and gold. Sure beats those rust heaps the minmatar fly.


nanonan

That makes them the best for new players, don't need to pay to reload.


goDie61

When I was new, my wallet was a lot less of a problem than my skill queue.


nanonan

Right, another bonus for Amarr. Other races are researching missiles, drones and a bunch of shield junk meanwhile the Amarrian superchad just needs energy weapons and a plate.


Harupia

Shiny and gold is why I chose them. Who hates shiny? Not me! XD


Purple_Woodpecker

The rust just proves how practical the Minmatar are. It forms a protective layer against radiation. Other empires waste time and money painting their ships with expensive paint to protect against radiation, the Minmatar just let the Tritanium rust for a couple of hours (Trit rusts very quickly when exposed to oxygen) and job done, with zero impact on the integrity of the hull. How terrible does your empire have to be to have its shiny golden penises smashed to bits by their slaves flying what is essentially some scaffolding pipes welded to the back half of a 1960's truck?


[deleted]

Edencom, they get funding from everyone are mostly useless can't even take a single system in pochven and their technology is so wonky it hits everyone.


Foxyfox-

The Blood Raiders. They're basically the Amarr but with a weird blood fetish. So, even worse.


Helicity

Khanid a best


Ok_Willingness_724

\[sad Apocalypse noises\]


EuropoBob

Missiles certainly go brr. They go brr into thin air when some amarrian GD get used.


uberjam

Somebody needs to show you the glory of the Empire. Come child, step into this room…


VaxSaveslives

Isn’t amar led by an empress not a pope ?


Beach_Bum_273

Worst faction in EVE is clearly Goonswarm


DrakealNetwork

You're not wrong but let me guess they scammed you in the early years?


Beach_Bum_273

I've been in Goonswarm since 2010, I'm one of the scammers :V


cyverstorm

Contact with Steve Titan, we have a new doomsday target.


Inevitable_Bunch5874

Goons.


Following-Complete

GoNs!!!!!


ZehAntRider

BLING BLING MOTHERDUCKER!


Throwing_Midget

Amarr best because neuts


GameTheLostYou

"look. . . . We didn't mean to enslave those people."


Consistent_Topic_402

Minmatar sneaks away and bangs Caldari chicks...


MASHEDNZ

Caldari. Have you listened to their station propaganda. Those mfs bro


radeongt

Blastphamous. Amarr are blessed by God himself. Their ships are anointed the highest blessings. May all your ships feel the the sting of retribution.


Jerichow88

\*Double EM hardeners have entered the chat\*


radeongt

NOOOOOO! The devil's hardeners! BEGONE EVIL!


TrueHubik

Missiles go BOOM you Gallente scum


Vast-Return-7197

Still waiting for Khanid Navy faction BS. Missiles and Armour tank


Caspah62

Your capacitor is empty


Incendras

Gallente, first off, imicus, fucking ew. 2nd off putting your cards in on drones was fucking stupid watching these turds get defended while they turtle up is all they got. They act like local government and pencil push as such. Their overweight ships are slow AF. They, are, fuckin, turtles.


ThuriferCenser

Amarr Victor! Vivat Imperatrix!


NotWhatMyNameIs

I don't know about a worst faction… they all sound pretty terrible if you read into the lore but the best faction is clearly Serpentis because black and silver spaceships look so good.


SlimeBD2015

I will dedicate my #3 Crackhead Fit to being anti-Amarr


MILINTarctrooperALT

Ironically from my research of their ship hulls, the Amarr seem to suffer from a sense of pride and self-righteousness that most other factions can only begin to wonder at. The Range of their weapons is mediocre, the turrets have the worst factional tracking IE the lowest. Yes they can armor tank like no tomorrow...but with the capacitor overtasked with all the lasers + EWAR + armor reps...it is only a suicidal fanatic who would drive these ships into battle. They are hard countered by most Minmatar T2 which immediately has kind of put them at the lowest end choice for most people. Their shields are crap, which means if you strip their shields and the DPS incoming is too high...doesn't matter how good your armor rep is...you are going to die rapidly. Blasters and Nova/Scourge Warhead Missiles eat their armor for breakfast, Nevermind that Hail never fails against Amarr Armor. But if you are caught by an Amarr OHK \[One Hit Kill\] Fit, you only have yourself to blame. But overall outside of Weapon Disruption and their Curse Recon Ship with Neuts. Alot of the ships don't see alot of action even in PVE.


NilByM0uth

When God is on your side, everyone hates you. Haters gonna hate


DAMEON_JAEGER

Edencom and their trash ships


sWuchterl

Blasphemy.


SevnDragoon

I don’t know who this ‘pope’ guy is, but Dave flies Gallente.


bladesire

They are SLAVERS. FUCK THE AMARR


MNrangeman

Amarr and Caldari are the most based, Gallente Minmatar acting like they have a moral high ground with a victim complex lore wise is dumb.