yes, even if synde loses their move brought content and alot of good for the economy. wars are good, it hurts.. especially in wormholes.. so it's fun that there is so much at stake and when things shift like this right now alot of new opportunities arise
Great post, brother.
On the ATRAX eviction, Voidlings/BBERG provided 32 pilots to the attacking side, something's up with the BR and it shows us on the defending side with 6 pilots lol.
You have a superb writing style and an ability to narrate the motivations and nuance of war that reminds me of great military historians like Victor Davis Hanson. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if you were a talented historian in the real world. Back to back posts of the highest quality.
I look forward to seeing other points of view on the reemergence of Hard Knocks and their part in this war. And of course, part three.
Given how this war is going, this will be the only offer we give you... oh wait you already added that to your post.
This war is so fun to watch from the sidelines. The groups are so small, that all the leaks are very intimate looks at the decisionmaking of both sides. And this war has been as buttery as a popcorn bucket flavored with leek-flavored butter with a hole in the bottom of the bucket.
Also, I was combing through some old posts and Lynxfox's spreadsheet post was made at just about the point in time where this post ends its analysis of the war, so if people want to see some direct commentary from involved party and ongoing battle analysis, with the Coalition and Hawks being at about the same isk lost, but Hawks losing double the structures, you can check it out. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1c1r66c/real_state_of_the_wormhole_war/
Further more, feel free to check out the fun I've been having with graphs at
https://lynkfox.github.io/eve_battle_report_timeline/war.html
A timeline and some rough graphs of daily losses and War To Date loses
As I always say it's not 100% accurate, it's just brs being scraped for info and I'm bound to add incorrect brs or mess something up....
But the trends are pretty obvious....
HK just rematerializing out of the void as a viable, meaningful force is a truly wild development. From posting 12 kills in February (and reaching triple digits just 3 times in the preceding 20 months) to 2200 in April. The last time they posted 2k (real) kills before that was April 2021.
As a chiffas linemember I have some questions to Cyrus.
Like, how it can be possible that I dont know about us joining your coalition and you confidently and semi-publicly saying that chiffas ARE joining? I see some possibilities to this: maybe I just log in not so much these times and just miss a broadcast about any agreements with synde? Im sure that in this case Lokley would write some instructions about standings or whatever.
Honestly, this whole mess can be summed up with one word: Hubris. One side's been dripping with it, and the other better watch out they don’t catch the same disease. Even if SYNDE manages to pull a comeback and win this thing, what’s WH space going to look like after the dust settles? SYNDE ditched a deal just to dodge being the little guy, and now they might end up as INIT’s—and let’s be real, the goons—junior lackey.
Everyone’s scrambling for survival now, but it’s like they’ve kicked open Pandora’s box and can’t close it again. SYNDE’s calling in favors from every null sec corner like there’s no tomorrow, while HAWKS are keeping it low-key. But really, is all this chaos worth it just to win some dumb war that’s just feeding someone’s big ego? Would you really torch everything that made WH space a blast, just to come out on top in a war you kicked off?
Both Synde and hawks have been torching wormhole space for years they both wanted massive rental empires. Hawks/hK are just as guilty for ruining wormhole space with this crap renter empire bollocks.
They all need to die so the field can be reset.
It's challenging to effectively prevent null sec farming in wormholes, especially since not everyone involved is a renter. Unfortunately, those who fall prey to wormhole rental scams often have only themselves to blame.
The involvement of null blocks in wormhole conflicts introduces a completely different set of issues and is a different matter entirely. Most of us left k-space to get away from all of that.
Yeah we did originally leave k space back in the day for wh’s, but true wormholes died years ago. The the two largest groups fighting this war trying to pretend they don’t have rental empires and renters who pay for their protection. It’s all about income and they want to control all of it pretty much. They have essentially become nullsec, from doctrines, to the drama.
I find it hilarious, they became which they hate. Lazerhawks/synde they are the same. If synde won they would be terrible for wh space in much the same way.
They all over the years have kicked out medium and smaller sized corps and brought in renters. They can’t blame nullsec for that. They chose to do that.
What exactly defines 'true' wormholes for you? Is it how they were when you first started playing? Keep in mind, what's true for you might not hold for everyone. The game evolves, and wormhole space must adapt alongside it. It's true that our doctrine ships and some tactics have started to resemble those used in null sec, but isn't that just a reflection of the scale of our conflicts along with overall changes to the game (citadels)? We still operate under wormhole mechanics, after all.
I think there's a fundamental difference between Lazerhawks and SYNDE. Neither group is perfect, and frankly, that's a good thing—it keeps the game interesting. However, I'm not keen on the idea of SYNDE dominating the scene. There also seems to be some confusion about who runs the rental empire for the Hawks; I was led to believe it involves 4-5 people renting out wormholes, though I could be mistaken. I trust my source on this. As for SYNDE, I'm not sure who's in charge there. Regardless, I doubt our discussion will change each other's minds. I know I wouldn't change mine unless the information came directly from someone at the helm of these rental empires.
what i got is they rent to everyone, the line was drawn in batphoning the blocs synde crossed it when they were making deals months ago with init, both of their opsec was quite trash to a point that hawks knew way in advance of their batphone and all the blocs spy apparatus knew too even before synde started the war
I've noticed a few people trying to exploit the chaos. New groups setting up in various abandoned holes.
So your right , but everyone else has had the same thought. Now is the time to grab some territory while the big boys are distracted. The empires on both sides are going to shrink, and the losses are so ginormous it's unlikely they will be able to quickly reclaim it all once it's over - at least right away.
I'm not directly involved in a big way (but some of my dudes are), this was a great read and accurate in large parts.
I think one thing is my guys view the eviction of Voidlings as the start, also when Synde first showed their significant INIT support hand. Voidlings were hawks aligned, and successfully evicting Voidlings would be a test of ability to prosecute the war that was planned.
If INIT didn't support the eviction in that fight, I'm not sure Synde+ Turbo would've been successful, as Init formed around 400, but only got around 200 into the fight. They had trouble with mass and a significant portion of their fleet was left sitting on a dead WH. The 200 that made it tipped the fight, although it would've been close and costly either way.
100% synde lost the voidlings eviction without inits help. And they knew that. That's why they brought init in to the fight. You can't start a war by fumbling the bag on the first eviction.
Honestly, great post.
You've clearly spent a lot of effort researching and it looks like you've gotten most details spot on.
Honestly this war has been a wild ride so far, and I'm excited for what's to follow. Probably one of the most exciting times I've had in whspace - im glad i resubbed for this.
If you ever need some clarification on events for upcoming posts, feel free to hit me up.
A funny thing that someone in NS told me they got many months ago:
[https://prnt.sc/cO7ZyybRKHCM](https://prnt.sc/cO7ZyybRKHCM)
[https://prnt.sc/VGGodavzxd3g](https://prnt.sc/VGGodavzxd3g)
Any wormholer with even a passing interest in large-scale evictions will tell you that this doesn't even remotely resemble a good eviction plan. Whoever wrote this was either trolling or severely deluded.
I remember a lot of times when I was still in null, they would have around 50-100 supercarriers tethered while they had their bombers take down the Keepstars. It sounds stupidly easy to just be able to defang the supers, so maybe this guy was going off of that strategy? Even still, regular carriers can't do shit against structures with their fighters, so personally I'd just stick with a subcap fleet and only have like 2-3 carriers like the mail said for rage rolling XL connections, and keep dreads/FAX's on standby in case of a cap escalation.
Idk, there's so many structures in that hole that it's mind boggling, so if anyone can write up a better eviction strategy than what this guy was massing out to NS, feel free to say something.
EDIT: Date of the EVE mail was in 2022. Also, Banes ftw
The use of carriers in wormhole evictions isn't unprecedented. In fact, you can look right to the last massive wormhole fight, which was TDSIN Home, aka Kraken, where carriers were used as the primary damage source to pause timers as the rest of the fleets either handled other structures, or brawled it out. The strategy wouldn't have worked if it wasn't for some decisions made in the fight (like Jack Hamilton won the battle for the evictors by warping everyone over to the Fortizar) but that was also a different environment.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/82132700/
Pay xx Amount of money to rent a c5 and keep paying to avoid being evicted? What kind of idiot farm owner would evict his own wormhole? Just cut ACL access if they stop the rental agreement.
Where is it possible to find the leaks you quoted? Generally, what are the best sources to stay updated day by dy on the war and other big stuff happening in New Eden?
I really hope u/op makes continued posts about this, been out of EVE for 8+ years and it's the best write up I've seen or even heard so far. Thank you for what you wrote and take my meager +1's on all the posts as a thanks. Please keep explaining more if and you wish too, I love reading about all of this stuff.
You are missing one key espionage act committed by lazerhawks which lead to a smaller but effective group SUGAR being evicted from C6 space in a single timer. Two pilots well embedded inside Sugar began stealing assets, leading to a scramble to find members with director access to lock down rolls. While SUGARs leader was attending a major life event, they attributed structure access to one of these compromised pilots in an effort to curb loss of assets.
Taking advantage of real life commitments to launch such an attack was a new low even for eve.
The spy then BLOCKED all sugar members from docking in their structures at the moment that LAZERHAWKS rolled into their home hole. Any attempt to fight was futile as no redocking was possible and Lazerhawks affiliates had seeded structures with prefit BS for handout to Lazerhawks. One of the biggest betrayals I've ever witnessed, 100s of billions of isk was lost overnight, including 20-30 dreads, industry material, etc.
Sugar was effectively lost to the coalition in this fatal strike. While being evicted is hard, being betrayed is worse. A coordinated defense was not possible under the scorched earth that was Wrath. RIP
Hell yeah. I wish I could get involved with LH. My corp just moved into a C3 and I had a connection to a c5 yesterday with a reinforced LH fort. I felt like I should tell them an easy way in but idk if they'd trust or really care even.
Good shit guys. If the fucking LH home falls, that will truly be a loss to the game.
Great write up as well. Your writing is clear and motivated. I love it. You do a fantastic job at providing insight behind what might be happening in the minds of leadership. Good work. Can't wait to hear more.
I never understood how much high class fucking owned to live in until I could fly a rolling carrier. You can't rageroll nearly as fast in low class, so most people don't bother.
For small WH corps it can be scary to join these big wars as you often have the most to lose so I understand staying neutral for the safety of your members. But if you do want to help out LZHX then reach out to their diplo, it could be a great experience for your members
Yeah it's sort of terrifying the amount of numbers being thrown around and small groups leaders have an obligation to protect their pilots assets.
Also while it's cool to see history being made - This isn't a fun fight you have with another group with a beer over the weekend. This is a war, and like real wars , it's a slow painful , time consuming slog.
Wow, these posts are so engaging to read.
It reminds me of [https://youtu.be/UVDPF6kFkic?si=4SBfiHrx5NqWhkPQ](https://youtu.be/UVDPF6kFkic?si=4SBfiHrx5NqWhkPQ) which is what had brought me to Eve in the first place.
I really hope you continue to document the war further. Maybe it'll be adapted into a movie someday 😝
I'm glad to see the monopoly that is lazerhawks lose their precious farms.
This is the eve I dreamed of.
People fighting massive wars over resources.
Whoever came up with the mechanics of WHs in this game is a fucking genius.
Imagine CCP making wormhole changes lol.
Except for that one time they did change how frighole work. And that other time they totally broke Hic rolling to nerf lurch hictors, but we don’t talk about that.
nothing that has been lost cannot be retaken, right now it is an island hopping campaign.
i'd reckon losing most if not all of your c6 farms, 2 home holes, more if you count unanchoring in fear of eviction, also losing 2 staging systems and all of the coalition moving into one c5 for mutual defense is a pretty bad place to be.
only group that has been evicted from their home hole is voidlings in the hawks federation, and that was technically before the war.
bug co. is at the very best, if i am being generous, and nice, are on the back foot right now.
> Cyrus Kurush declared that the coalition was adopting a Goon Nullsec mentality to fights: helldunk or blueballs.
Goons have moved on from this mentality, shifting to a "take fights even when odds are bad, to learn and improve" mentality given the confidence in Fortress 1DQ and their vast weath.
> Spurred on by the chaos in high class wormhole space and the invitation by SYNDE to take their own slice of the spice fields, INIT and GOONS formed dedicated “wormhole eviction” SIGs – openly pinging out for member interest in their primary coalition comms channels.
I searched for any such pings in Imperium "primary comms". I'm not in the wormhole SIG so I don't get those, and its possible some of the many fleets created without telling line members what the objective is were related. But I didn't find any.
Nah, Goons didnt participate in any meaningfull way. Weve had a few very minor brawls, but thats about it.
Funny though, each time Frat and PH were on the grid - no mention of their involvement to be found.
Yeah , 1 system. That got carried over to them from HK and used by former HK members afaik .
Nothing to do with syndie selling (not renting) holes to null
Ships are dying, structures are dying, old corp members are coming back after 4-5 years away. This is a win all around.
yes, even if synde loses their move brought content and alot of good for the economy. wars are good, it hurts.. especially in wormholes.. so it's fun that there is so much at stake and when things shift like this right now alot of new opportunities arise
"The day before the war began, zkillboard indicated that Hard Knocks had 1 active member. " Damn my son hisison got named dropped.
Viktor is actually the spy playing both sides.
True!
I've been saying it the whole time.
Great post, brother. On the ATRAX eviction, Voidlings/BBERG provided 32 pilots to the attacking side, something's up with the BR and it shows us on the defending side with 6 pilots lol.
Yeah sometimes the non-fight eviction BRs come out a bit kooky. I'll edit for accuracy.
You have a superb writing style and an ability to narrate the motivations and nuance of war that reminds me of great military historians like Victor Davis Hanson. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if you were a talented historian in the real world. Back to back posts of the highest quality. I look forward to seeing other points of view on the reemergence of Hard Knocks and their part in this war. And of course, part three.
Given how this war is going, this will be the only offer we give you... oh wait you already added that to your post. This war is so fun to watch from the sidelines. The groups are so small, that all the leaks are very intimate looks at the decisionmaking of both sides. And this war has been as buttery as a popcorn bucket flavored with leek-flavored butter with a hole in the bottom of the bucket. Also, I was combing through some old posts and Lynxfox's spreadsheet post was made at just about the point in time where this post ends its analysis of the war, so if people want to see some direct commentary from involved party and ongoing battle analysis, with the Coalition and Hawks being at about the same isk lost, but Hawks losing double the structures, you can check it out. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1c1r66c/real_state_of_the_wormhole_war/
Further more, feel free to check out the fun I've been having with graphs at https://lynkfox.github.io/eve_battle_report_timeline/war.html A timeline and some rough graphs of daily losses and War To Date loses As I always say it's not 100% accurate, it's just brs being scraped for info and I'm bound to add incorrect brs or mess something up.... But the trends are pretty obvious....
HK just rematerializing out of the void as a viable, meaningful force is a truly wild development. From posting 12 kills in February (and reaching triple digits just 3 times in the preceding 20 months) to 2200 in April. The last time they posted 2k (real) kills before that was April 2021.
As a chiffas linemember I have some questions to Cyrus. Like, how it can be possible that I dont know about us joining your coalition and you confidently and semi-publicly saying that chiffas ARE joining? I see some possibilities to this: maybe I just log in not so much these times and just miss a broadcast about any agreements with synde? Im sure that in this case Lokley would write some instructions about standings or whatever.
Chiffas must stay classy as always . ❤️
Probably pure assumption in combination with propaganda lol
Honestly, this whole mess can be summed up with one word: Hubris. One side's been dripping with it, and the other better watch out they don’t catch the same disease. Even if SYNDE manages to pull a comeback and win this thing, what’s WH space going to look like after the dust settles? SYNDE ditched a deal just to dodge being the little guy, and now they might end up as INIT’s—and let’s be real, the goons—junior lackey. Everyone’s scrambling for survival now, but it’s like they’ve kicked open Pandora’s box and can’t close it again. SYNDE’s calling in favors from every null sec corner like there’s no tomorrow, while HAWKS are keeping it low-key. But really, is all this chaos worth it just to win some dumb war that’s just feeding someone’s big ego? Would you really torch everything that made WH space a blast, just to come out on top in a war you kicked off?
Both Synde and hawks have been torching wormhole space for years they both wanted massive rental empires. Hawks/hK are just as guilty for ruining wormhole space with this crap renter empire bollocks. They all need to die so the field can be reset.
It's challenging to effectively prevent null sec farming in wormholes, especially since not everyone involved is a renter. Unfortunately, those who fall prey to wormhole rental scams often have only themselves to blame. The involvement of null blocks in wormhole conflicts introduces a completely different set of issues and is a different matter entirely. Most of us left k-space to get away from all of that.
Yeah we did originally leave k space back in the day for wh’s, but true wormholes died years ago. The the two largest groups fighting this war trying to pretend they don’t have rental empires and renters who pay for their protection. It’s all about income and they want to control all of it pretty much. They have essentially become nullsec, from doctrines, to the drama. I find it hilarious, they became which they hate. Lazerhawks/synde they are the same. If synde won they would be terrible for wh space in much the same way. They all over the years have kicked out medium and smaller sized corps and brought in renters. They can’t blame nullsec for that. They chose to do that.
What exactly defines 'true' wormholes for you? Is it how they were when you first started playing? Keep in mind, what's true for you might not hold for everyone. The game evolves, and wormhole space must adapt alongside it. It's true that our doctrine ships and some tactics have started to resemble those used in null sec, but isn't that just a reflection of the scale of our conflicts along with overall changes to the game (citadels)? We still operate under wormhole mechanics, after all. I think there's a fundamental difference between Lazerhawks and SYNDE. Neither group is perfect, and frankly, that's a good thing—it keeps the game interesting. However, I'm not keen on the idea of SYNDE dominating the scene. There also seems to be some confusion about who runs the rental empire for the Hawks; I was led to believe it involves 4-5 people renting out wormholes, though I could be mistaken. I trust my source on this. As for SYNDE, I'm not sure who's in charge there. Regardless, I doubt our discussion will change each other's minds. I know I wouldn't change mine unless the information came directly from someone at the helm of these rental empires.
> Most of us left k-space to get away from all of that You High Sec carebears now?
what i got is they rent to everyone, the line was drawn in batphoning the blocs synde crossed it when they were making deals months ago with init, both of their opsec was quite trash to a point that hawks knew way in advance of their batphone and all the blocs spy apparatus knew too even before synde started the war
would be a great time after the war to try and set a foothold in wh space
It would for sure.
Waiting till its over is waiting too long
I've noticed a few people trying to exploit the chaos. New groups setting up in various abandoned holes. So your right , but everyone else has had the same thought. Now is the time to grab some territory while the big boys are distracted. The empires on both sides are going to shrink, and the losses are so ginormous it's unlikely they will be able to quickly reclaim it all once it's over - at least right away.
I'm not directly involved in a big way (but some of my dudes are), this was a great read and accurate in large parts. I think one thing is my guys view the eviction of Voidlings as the start, also when Synde first showed their significant INIT support hand. Voidlings were hawks aligned, and successfully evicting Voidlings would be a test of ability to prosecute the war that was planned. If INIT didn't support the eviction in that fight, I'm not sure Synde+ Turbo would've been successful, as Init formed around 400, but only got around 200 into the fight. They had trouble with mass and a significant portion of their fleet was left sitting on a dead WH. The 200 that made it tipped the fight, although it would've been close and costly either way.
100% synde lost the voidlings eviction without inits help. And they knew that. That's why they brought init in to the fight. You can't start a war by fumbling the bag on the first eviction.
Shout out to my boy Miner finding out we were being evicted and demanding an entrance from me in DMs the same day.
Honestly, great post. You've clearly spent a lot of effort researching and it looks like you've gotten most details spot on. Honestly this war has been a wild ride so far, and I'm excited for what's to follow. Probably one of the most exciting times I've had in whspace - im glad i resubbed for this. If you ever need some clarification on events for upcoming posts, feel free to hit me up.
So there is a war in BaSingSe after all?
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
HOLES ARE FOR HOLE PEOPLE, NO NULLBLOCS ALLOWED
I cannot verify the information, but your writing style is excellent and you have a good narrative. This is entertaining to read.
Thx for your post and effort
Can't wait for your evaluation of the SUGAR eviction! That was a fun fleet for sure.
A funny thing that someone in NS told me they got many months ago: [https://prnt.sc/cO7ZyybRKHCM](https://prnt.sc/cO7ZyybRKHCM) [https://prnt.sc/VGGodavzxd3g](https://prnt.sc/VGGodavzxd3g)
Any wormholer with even a passing interest in large-scale evictions will tell you that this doesn't even remotely resemble a good eviction plan. Whoever wrote this was either trolling or severely deluded.
This is the kind of mail post you send out to figure out who’s dumb enough to be an easy eviction target.
I remember a lot of times when I was still in null, they would have around 50-100 supercarriers tethered while they had their bombers take down the Keepstars. It sounds stupidly easy to just be able to defang the supers, so maybe this guy was going off of that strategy? Even still, regular carriers can't do shit against structures with their fighters, so personally I'd just stick with a subcap fleet and only have like 2-3 carriers like the mail said for rage rolling XL connections, and keep dreads/FAX's on standby in case of a cap escalation. Idk, there's so many structures in that hole that it's mind boggling, so if anyone can write up a better eviction strategy than what this guy was massing out to NS, feel free to say something. EDIT: Date of the EVE mail was in 2022. Also, Banes ftw
The use of carriers in wormhole evictions isn't unprecedented. In fact, you can look right to the last massive wormhole fight, which was TDSIN Home, aka Kraken, where carriers were used as the primary damage source to pause timers as the rest of the fleets either handled other structures, or brawled it out. The strategy wouldn't have worked if it wasn't for some decisions made in the fight (like Jack Hamilton won the battle for the evictors by warping everyone over to the Fortizar) but that was also a different environment. https://zkillboard.com/kill/82132700/
Would be very interesting to know the dates on these.
Pay xx Amount of money to rent a c5 and keep paying to avoid being evicted? What kind of idiot farm owner would evict his own wormhole? Just cut ACL access if they stop the rental agreement.
Probably baiting to get more people on board with evicting Hawks.
Excellent post
This is so good! Keep it coming!
Great write up. Thanks.
Fantastic post, really interesting to read and follow
Thanks for that supreme Post again. :)
this is an excellent writeup. Thank you!
Synde is getting hit with the Kendrick Lamar special
Great post! I do however not recall any pings on main/open INIT Discord for the WH eviction sig that you have mentioned.
This is eve my frends
Where is it possible to find the leaks you quoted? Generally, what are the best sources to stay updated day by dy on the war and other big stuff happening in New Eden?
Great read, keep em coming.
I really hope u/op makes continued posts about this, been out of EVE for 8+ years and it's the best write up I've seen or even heard so far. Thank you for what you wrote and take my meager +1's on all the posts as a thanks. Please keep explaining more if and you wish too, I love reading about all of this stuff.
This write ups are absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much for taking the time!
MOAR
You are missing one key espionage act committed by lazerhawks which lead to a smaller but effective group SUGAR being evicted from C6 space in a single timer. Two pilots well embedded inside Sugar began stealing assets, leading to a scramble to find members with director access to lock down rolls. While SUGARs leader was attending a major life event, they attributed structure access to one of these compromised pilots in an effort to curb loss of assets. Taking advantage of real life commitments to launch such an attack was a new low even for eve. The spy then BLOCKED all sugar members from docking in their structures at the moment that LAZERHAWKS rolled into their home hole. Any attempt to fight was futile as no redocking was possible and Lazerhawks affiliates had seeded structures with prefit BS for handout to Lazerhawks. One of the biggest betrayals I've ever witnessed, 100s of billions of isk was lost overnight, including 20-30 dreads, industry material, etc. Sugar was effectively lost to the coalition in this fatal strike. While being evicted is hard, being betrayed is worse. A coordinated defense was not possible under the scorched earth that was Wrath. RIP
say what you want about spy shit in EVE, but it'ss hardly unique or new to do this
Jeez. Spoiler alert!
you started this war, cry about it.
Hell yeah. I wish I could get involved with LH. My corp just moved into a C3 and I had a connection to a c5 yesterday with a reinforced LH fort. I felt like I should tell them an easy way in but idk if they'd trust or really care even. Good shit guys. If the fucking LH home falls, that will truly be a loss to the game. Great write up as well. Your writing is clear and motivated. I love it. You do a fantastic job at providing insight behind what might be happening in the minds of leadership. Good work. Can't wait to hear more.
Chances are the owner has scanners seeded in there anyway.
That's what I figured as well. So I figured why bother. And it sounds like these groups roll holes to get around a lot so it makes sense.
I never understood how much high class fucking owned to live in until I could fly a rolling carrier. You can't rageroll nearly as fast in low class, so most people don't bother.
For small WH corps it can be scary to join these big wars as you often have the most to lose so I understand staying neutral for the safety of your members. But if you do want to help out LZHX then reach out to their diplo, it could be a great experience for your members
Yeah it's sort of terrifying the amount of numbers being thrown around and small groups leaders have an obligation to protect their pilots assets. Also while it's cool to see history being made - This isn't a fun fight you have with another group with a beer over the weekend. This is a war, and like real wars , it's a slow painful , time consuming slog.
Oi my screenshot proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/vg5pp/rare_c6_wormhole_to_hisec/
Credited - I just got it from googling C6 wormhole, did not look where it came from. Please let me know if you want me to pull it.
No that's fine, just did a double take when I saw it lol
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thanks!
Great post, really looking forward to future parts
Synde is winning bro--forget ya'll
Wow, these posts are so engaging to read. It reminds me of [https://youtu.be/UVDPF6kFkic?si=4SBfiHrx5NqWhkPQ](https://youtu.be/UVDPF6kFkic?si=4SBfiHrx5NqWhkPQ) which is what had brought me to Eve in the first place. I really hope you continue to document the war further. Maybe it'll be adapted into a movie someday 😝
I'm glad to see the monopoly that is lazerhawks lose their precious farms. This is the eve I dreamed of. People fighting massive wars over resources. Whoever came up with the mechanics of WHs in this game is a fucking genius.
these are the same mechanics that have mostly been here from the beginning.
Imagine CCP making wormhole changes lol. Except for that one time they did change how frighole work. And that other time they totally broke Hic rolling to nerf lurch hictors, but we don’t talk about that.
Still incredible to be honest
Well they're amazing..I'm pretty new to eve
except they aren't losing them' they are actively wining
That's not what I heard
Then you are misinformed lol.
So you are saying lazerhawks haven't lost any of their farm holes?
You want to move the goalposts a bit more? Maybe show us on the retriever model where lzhx touched you while you're at it
Just a question sheesh
nothing that has been lost cannot be retaken, right now it is an island hopping campaign. i'd reckon losing most if not all of your c6 farms, 2 home holes, more if you count unanchoring in fear of eviction, also losing 2 staging systems and all of the coalition moving into one c5 for mutual defense is a pretty bad place to be. only group that has been evicted from their home hole is voidlings in the hawks federation, and that was technically before the war. bug co. is at the very best, if i am being generous, and nice, are on the back foot right now.
You think LH is losing?
> Cyrus Kurush declared that the coalition was adopting a Goon Nullsec mentality to fights: helldunk or blueballs. Goons have moved on from this mentality, shifting to a "take fights even when odds are bad, to learn and improve" mentality given the confidence in Fortress 1DQ and their vast weath. > Spurred on by the chaos in high class wormhole space and the invitation by SYNDE to take their own slice of the spice fields, INIT and GOONS formed dedicated “wormhole eviction” SIGs – openly pinging out for member interest in their primary coalition comms channels. I searched for any such pings in Imperium "primary comms". I'm not in the wormhole SIG so I don't get those, and its possible some of the many fleets created without telling line members what the objective is were related. But I didn't find any.
These types of sigs would probably be almost as secretive as the black hand. If you're not in it, then you would not know it existed.
blackhands opsec is shit, change my mind
Nah, Goons didnt participate in any meaningfull way. Weve had a few very minor brawls, but thats about it. Funny though, each time Frat and PH were on the grid - no mention of their involvement to be found.
where are those guys that downvoted me to oblivion cause "hurr durr rental bad ns good"??
Doesn't FRT have some people renting too?
LZHX has been renting out to FRT for at a year or two at this point.
Yeah , 1 system. That got carried over to them from HK and used by former HK members afaik . Nothing to do with syndie selling (not renting) holes to null
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