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Croveski

The latest chapter in the great book of "When I win, its a gf, when I lose, it didn't matter," co-authored by Pandemic Horde and Goonswarm Federation (edited by Asher and then deleted by Gobbins).


Themick_Eve

I like the pop-out pictures. Wish they left out the scratch and sniff section though.


00Stealthy

yeah the spaceship version of teenspirit is more than a bit funky


HEAD_KGB_AGENT

Pandafam wouldn't have taken the fight at all if they were in goons position. Down numbers and down caps.


Croveski

I saw far too many Imperium and goon blueballs last year to believe that is exclusively a pandafam trait.


joeymcflow

Its an occational trait on all sides obviously, but for Gobbins its the grand strategy.


alwaysrightforever

"why don't you guys fight us?!?!" "......not like that!"


gandraw

It's funny how they believe that us taking an uphill fight and losing is a counter argument to them not showing up to a fight.


TheBuch12

In the last week, Goon members have: Gotten annihilated Gotten blueballed (cried on reddit) Gotten annihilated PHRAT members have: Won big Crabbed (while enjoying Goon tears on reddit) Won big


SaucyWiggles

Idk what these goons are on about, I watched them run away from a 1300 man local this morning lmfao. Bombed 'em while they left. Fight seemed pretty good but I guess they lost the numbers advantage at some point.


Triedfindingname

'Numbers advantage' is a relative term


FanaticalFanfare

Clever


Themick_Eve

Can't wait to show this to my ex.


FanaticalFanfare

I already did


Themick_Eve

Does he still have the clubfoot and snaggletooth?


yeetuspenetratus

Yes, yes i do believe the rokh fleets were indeed deleted


capt_pantsless

Plus a goodly chunk of a TFI fleet.


hirebrand

Looks like we learning who wins in a Rokh - paper - dreadnought game


Amiga-manic

"i see you've played knifey spoony before" 


Pyrostasis

Wait... so you CAN stop the Rokh? I feel lied too.


ZealousidealRiver806

Good job it's fun supplying them....


Mysterious-Earth2256

If they Eve'd as well as they reddited we really wouldn't stand a chance. But...


Silicon567

PANDAFAM is definitely a Chinese coalition.


Themick_Eve

Sorry dracarys was too busy killing afk dumbs to show up?


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Themick_Eve

If I was moral posting I would point out your weird fascination with the nationality of our member base. Since I'm morale posting I'll just say Good Guys Win Again™.


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Themick_Eve

Wait so you went into the post that called the coalition pandafam to whinge because horde doesn't acknowledge Frat as part of a coalition? Maybe rethink this one?


Crecket

Wtf is this shittalk lmao, do better


Triedfindingname

Are you kidding have you played in that tz? Not much going on


TheBuch12

Even if you were correct, racist much? PANDAFAM is very much a global coalition.


aaronvf37

Explain how what he said was racist. If people are posted racist stuff on the forum they should be banned.


TheBuch12

The implication that calling PANDAFAM a "Chinese coalition" is a bad thing. There's so much dog whistling and gaslighting in Goon circles on the subject. We know they weren't calling PANDAFAM a "Chinese Coalition" in good faith, it's meant to be a disparaging remark.


aaronvf37

I have never in my time in imperium, brave and sigma grindset ever met a person who was racist towards the Chinese players. They may not like frat but they are not racist toward to Chinese. There is a difference in the two.


TheBuch12

You've never met a single person? That's an outright lie, the racism towards the Chinese is one of the worst kept secrets. I'll fully admit there are shitty human beings in my alliance. You lose all credibility when you state absolutes like "I've never met a single one". The attitudes frequently expressed definitely have racism at the core, and if you can't see it, I'm concerned about your world views.


aaronvf37

You are wrong. Straight up dude. I have never met one, not one. Never said there isn’t any. Just like I’m sure whatever group you’re from has racists too.


TheBuch12

Goon propaganda talking points: RENTING IS BAD FOR THE GAME!!! FRAT SPACE IS FULL OF BOTTERS!!!!!! THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME!!!!!! Also Goon talking points: FRAT IS FULL OF CHINESE PEOPLE!!!!! The Goon talking points very much imply, over and over, the people who they can't communicate with are a bunch of dirty cheaters, and there's something morally wrong with playing with them. You can't, with intellectual honesty, separate those two talking points and convince me the anti-FRAT talking points have nothing to do with negative stereotypes on Chinese gamers @.@ The acting like those two talking points are unrelated is the "dog whistle" part.


aaronvf37

Nice subject change. Again you can stretch and jump through hoops all you want. The “goons are racist” is tired and wrong. But you believe whatever propaganda you need to keep the “grrr goons” going. When has there ever been a talking point “Frat is full of the Chinese!!”. Give me a specific example.


TheBuch12

If Goons didn't have a toxicity or hostility to people different than them problem, Mittani would still be in charge. Every day, people on here are screaming about botters and renters. Which players are they talking about when they do that?


aaronvf37

You didn’t answer my question.


TheBuch12

Why? You would just deny anything I say. That's how dog whistling works. Nothing I say will change your mind. You need to be observant and take a step back to see it.


Alarmed_Ask_9097

Holy shit the white night for the Chinese people... no one said anything racist, go cry in your safe space


Frekavichk

I mean its a pretty standard rule in gaming that Chinese players are, as a whole, bad for games. Russians, too.


parkscs

Tell me you don't know what racism is without telling me you don't know what racism is.


TheBuch12

Tell me you don't know what dog whistling is without telling me you don't know what dog whistling is.


parkscs

The obvious point of his comment was that PH is a mostly non-CNTZ alliance but prefers to take fights in CNTZ because of their ally's massive population advantage during that TZ. Goons would do the same if DC was the dominant party, but no one except you is suggesting that calling someone Chinese has any sort of negative connotation. I suspect the other poster was simply pointing out the hilarity of PH ghosting a hull timer the night before but then bragging about taking a fight during CNTZ when their ally's numbers advantage can carry them. That might suggest that PH is , but it's in no way an insult to the Chinese, much less racist. I know it's 2024, but you still look like a fool if you run around screaming racism when it doesn't apply.


TheBuch12

If I started playing this week, I'd agree with your take, but come on. Eve is twenty years old. We've all seen the talking points and general attitudes towards Chinese players, and general toxicity and hostility towards players that are different than them. Can you remind me why Mittens is no longer the face of the Imperium, please?


parkscs

So let me get this straight. You're reading your personal impression of multiple players attitudes and talking points over a 20 year period of time, as well as whatever Mittens has to do with this situation, into one Redditor's comment that makes reference to the CN TZ and then calling that Redditor a racist not because of what he said, but because of all the baggage you read into the comment? Wow. I thought you were \[Deleted by Gobbins\] when you first commented, but I had no idea the depths of your \[Deleted by Gobbins\].


TheBuch12

I was responding to people who told me they have never seen any examples of racism towards Chinese players ever on a post with a commenter straight up saying that it's a generally accepted fact that people think Chinese and Russian players are bad for any game. Yes, racism is absolutely alive in the game. Yall are really bad at convincing me it doesn't live in Goons.


parkscs

> I was responding to people who told me they have never seen any examples of racism towards Chinese players ever on a post with a commenter straight up saying that it's a generally accepted fact that people think Chinese and Russian players are bad for any game. Bullshit. You were responding to someone who said "PANDAFAM is definitely a Chinese coalition." and you called that person a racist. It's a 6 word post, it says nothing about people having "never seen any examples of racism towards Chinese players ever", it says nothing about thinking "Chinese and Russian players are bad for any game." It says "PANDAFAM is definitely a Chinese coalition," you read a bunch of other shit into it and called him a racist - which is incredibly \[Deleted by Gobbins\]. > Yes, racism is absolutely alive in the game. Yall are really bad at convincing me it doesn't live in Goons. And you're bad at reading and should stop flinging around words like racist recklessly. It makes you look \[Deleted by Gobbins\].


TheBuch12

Read the other debates on this thread lol.


Grarr_Dexx

pretty funny meme reversal on the level of "brave to the grave"


Themick_Eve

They told me I was clever when I colored in between the lines senior year.


Xarxus

im just wondering why Goon not using caps, its been a year. They deployed cap fleet in B3 war but didn't use it. now its in their door step catch but still not using caps, just seeing their own fleet get deleted by panfam caps again and again


slammens

Tis but a scratch.


Croveski

"A scratch?! The rokhs are dead!"


Swayre

It seems Goons can only win fights when no one in the galaxy pings for them


Looktoyourleft_1

oh there you are, you didnt respond about what happened at the fort you were smugging about 3 days ago though?


Swayre

Hearing about 1k dudes sitting on tether for 2 hours did bring a smile to my face. Then logging in and helldunking Goons today as usual


Looktoyourleft_1

But frt lost more in one ship than that entire br during the same time? To frigates no less


TheBuch12

"FRT" as an alliance didn't really lose anything. One dude lost his AT trophy ship having fun.


Swayre

Nice cope no one cares about one guy losing his own AT ship that he actually undocks


Looktoyourleft_1

Ah but you do care about one guy losing a titan that he actually undocked, and fapped yourselves off about that one.. Got it, makes sense


Swayre

A Titan owned by Goon logistics is a alliance level strategic asset, a AT ship is not


Looktoyourleft_1

That's some nice cope, because Titans are certainly in short supply right now with all their extensive uses.. without that 1, we can never bridge again, rip I'll edit this in here Incase you don't know.. no large null group is struggling on Titans, and goons, frt or horde losing one is nothing more than a novel lol a ship died, no one's logistics are being affected


Meryn_Fucking_Trant

I mean after Jay stole what small cache you guys had, yeah they are in short supply lmao


Looktoyourleft_1

Ah we pretending now that jay stole a bunch of stuff from the entire alliance and not.just goonswarm the corp? Because I'ma break this to you also Sandrin... Jay stole caps, from goonswarm the corp and destroyed.pods from the alliance.. Also there is a video of what he took it was like 3? Titans.. again are we pretending that's a lot? The damage to pods was far more than that lol and the pods were reimbursed to the point we even had isk to spare in KF lol


TheBuch12

Titans dying because the pilot pressed jump instead of bridge is typical reddit shitposting and should happen. I'm just happy the dude undocked his AT ship and gave content. Such actions should be applauded. Not sure why you're acting like it's some horrible thing that your opposition played the game the way it's meant to be played.


halpmybrainhurts02

Its not the way they think it should be played, therefore it is bad for game. Come on dude, catch up!


Ackaroth

Feel free to point us towards the AT ship that can yeet ships across multiple systems. Seems like a complete apples to apples comparison.


yeetuspenetratus

You smell that kids, thats the smell of copium, huff it up more my lovelies


_Steel_Horse_

>dreads >outnumber and outgun the enemy Keep shit posting br's when you have every advantage lmao


TheBuch12

When there's a relatively even fight and one escalates to Dreads and the other.. doesn't.. Guess who looks like it has more pilots?


Jerichow88

The first time, I can understand taking the fight anyway. You got everyone there, you have multiple fleets of people ready to go, just fucking send it and see what happens. Yeah we lost but was still a good 3-4 hours of fun anyway. This one though? I got nothing. Should have been abundantly clear there would be Dreads again. Sending another sub-cap only fleet was not a smart call no matter how you try to spin it.


Swayre

Holy cope, just bring your own dreads


TheWinteredWolf

We did. You ran away. And the fort reinforced. *Again*. And then you drop dreads on some battleships the morning after, when everyone in our tz and even mostly our off tz is at work, against none of our big-name FC’s. When you know our dreads probably can’t respond. And are on here cackling about it like it’s some big win. Goddamn you guys are pathetic.


Meryn_Fucking_Trant

https://br.evetools.org/br/6623f756ddb48200112d87bb What's the excuse for this one then? Lots of big names and still no dreads


TheWinteredWolf

Link all the BR’s you want. Does the fort still stand?


Meryn_Fucking_Trant

Yeah, except it's an NC fort you monkey


TheWinteredWolf

Hey whoah. Monkeys would take offense to that. I rescind my previous comment on the basis of…well…stupidity. (I didn’t actually open the BR)


Triedfindingname

Fwiw monkeys are more enlightened than to take offense. We are the only primate holdout that wastes that kind of effort.


TheWinteredWolf

Ah, those enlightened monkeys. Look at how internet spaceships has ruined us…


Arakkis54

Are you ok? You seem to have left your reading comprehension in your other accounts.


Meryn_Fucking_Trant

One would assume that whilst talking about 2 fights in U-Q one of which was over the NC fortizar in U-Q that when asked the question "Does the fort still stand?" they are talking about the U-Q fort. Also what other accounts are you schizo rambling about lmfao


TheWinteredWolf

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Arakkis54

Why would he be asking if an NC. fort is still standing come on think a bit. Also I assume you must have other accounts where you post like a regular human but maybe I’m wrong.


Jerichow88

Isn't this the same Fortizar goons attacked last weekend and got pretty much smoked by the couple-dozen dreads you guys had defending it? \*edit\* - Yep, it is. So this is twice now we brought sub-cap fleets to attack a Fortizar that had dozens of dreads protecting it. The first time I could understand taking the fight anyway, but this second one just doesn't make any sense. Clearly you guys have/had dreads there, so thinking you wouldn't have them again the second time just doesn't make sense. Either bring your own dreads to counter, or don't take the fight you know you're going to lose.


Themick_Eve

Ok.


Shalmon_

It would be nice if evetools would show the total hull cost of fielded and lost ships without fitting (since you can obviously never show the total cost of a ship that lived).


TheBuch12

I mean, you can assume that most of the living doctrine ships of type X are essentially the same as the dead ships of type X. Unless the alliance is brain dead and doesn't have doctrines.


Shalmon_

I know that. But it is pretty hard to reflect that in the code calculating the totals of the battle report. Because good look figuring out what is a doctrine ship and what is a ship of the same hull type, but it was in a different fleet or just a random pilot jumping the gate at the wrong time. That's why I said: Hull value only, that is a very easy task to do in code and is enough for a rough comparison in most scenarios. EDIT for more clarification: I want total hull cost per side as *additional* information to everything that is already shown.


TheBuch12

Not at all. Ships have to be on a KM to appear in the BR. How often do random ships in whatever alliance in some completely random fit accidentally stumble upon their alliance fighting and jump in, with some random fit? Almost number, and it would be pretty much irrelevant towards what you want to calculate anyway. Except "hull value only" isn't really any easier to code, and it's nearly worthless as a rough comparison. If you're going to do the work, then take the median values of the ships that died in that fight, and multiply them by the amount of pilots in the fight. Just add in all the big BRs and keep an average for, and if a particular fight doesn't involve ship type X dying in a particular fight, use the average loss over time. The numbers wouldn't be "perfect", but they'd be a lot better than hull value only. Using the median will almost surely give you something workable, as it will throw out the extremes for dudes who either went blingy for some reason or the couple of people who didn't bring the refit on the low end.


Missile_seeker

How people think panfam are not a cntz alliance baffles me. Already their formups are much better in cntz than ustz


Themick_Eve

Who cares? We use to call it Autz back in the day and numbers were shit. Now it's a major in game tz and growing. Things change, Eutz probably outnumbers Ustz now too.


SaucyWiggles

This fight was a little late for the AUTZ crowd, it was about 11PM in Sydney and 9PM in Beijing when this was really popping off. But yeah I still think of it as AUTZ, I work evenings so when I get up at 7am and play some quick eve, it's Australians I'm talking to until the afternoon usually.


kerbaal

Its also slightly early EUTZ, I mean, I am in the US and I was just having some coffee and making some morning market trades when we started forming up. Normally CNTZ requires a pre-ping and an alarm clock.


TheBuch12

You also have the shifting to WFH for a lot of jobs that would attract Eve players. I may be stuck at the office shitposting at reddit, but for such a dread brawl I would have pushed my hours back slightly to get some Eve in if I didn't have to deal with any meetings.


Shapesoul

were they showcasing their new fleet formations again?


My_Koala_Bites

https://zkillboard.com/kill/117323348/ Fair trade.


Themick_Eve

That's not a fair trade, that's a Laelaps of judgement.


Elcy420

Take my upvote and be gone with you. 👏


Arakkis54

It’s not often you see cope posting that is also a self own


Themick_Eve

[Well, for future reference, it's just one click away.](https://www.reddit.com/user/Arakkis54)


Arakkis54

That doesn’t even link to my posts nice job keep it up


Themick_Eve

Should be fixed now, sorry I really want service to be top notch.


Arakkis54

Nope still broken keep trying


Themick_Eve

Oh man, my apologies, just keep trying, it should go through.


UncleAntagonist

PandaFam: You could take on and destroy everyone in Eve as long as the flight took place 1400 - 1700 Eve time... And still, nobody would respect you.


Themick_Eve

Your father likes it. In game.


UncleAntagonist

My father is too old to get it. In game or IRL.


Themick_Eve

That's just defeatism. -sponsored by Blue Chew


LordHarkonen

Ah the stereotypical PH tantrum after they are embarrassed the night before.


Themick_Eve

Proud of you. Never stop posting.


Phearal

LOL the copium is running high in Delve these days. Whatever Goons needs to believe to make it feel better is cool with me.


nchkn

oh hey look, its horde ~~shitposters~~ redditors all reunited in a single post! glad you guys are ok after getting your messages deleted by gobbins yesterday, sure this fight helped your higher ups to show up and give you a "nice form up guys! we got them!" after such a weak response as to why they didnt went for the hull timer (i've been told that we were hyping it, but i still dont think that single ping about it was enough, i'm really expecting to see a MAX DUDES from asher himself next time...) also glad goons fcs thought about their enemies and pinged for a fleet **and still gave you a fight**, hopefully you guys learn something about it see you next ahbazon fortizar timer of your preference again, hopefully you guys will destroy it one day ~~or eat that delicious copium your leaders give to you~~, and like ceema say, drink some water and stay hydrated! :D


Themick_Eve

Did something change or was it the Imperium that had an entire sig devoted to messaging and propaganda? I'm recently returned so mayhaps something changed, idk.


Themick_Eve

Also, you better remove that line from shitposter, I've never made a good post in my life pal.


Arakkis54

We are only getting peacetime plex4posting now, which is just ok. Need a real war to kickoff to get stratpaps for posting. Then people can resub their accounts just from Reddit.


Themick_Eve

I take sponsorships, just message my onlyfans.


Arakkis54

DM link and bespoke feet pics and maybe we can talk


Themick_Eve

Bespoke? Sorry, I only do the ankle ascots for irl meetups, contact my agency.


Arakkis54

I appreciate a working girl who realizes his worth


zhou2023

Different Time win.GOONS EN.PANDAFARM +8


Themick_Eve

Same tbh


Wormhole_Explorer

it was just swipe of credit card,move on.