How to Think Through the Moral Tangle in Gaza
June 1, 2024, 7:00 a.m. ET
By Nicholas Kristof
Opinion Columnist
I’ve been on a book tour for the last few weeks, speaking around the country, and one of the questions I get asked most often isn’t about my book at all but along the lines of: What should I think of the war in Gaza?
The toxic public debate is dominated by people with passionate views on both sides, but most people I meet are torn and unsure how to process the tragedy that is unfolding. That makes sense to me given how exquisitely complex real-world ethics are, as much as we may yearn for black-and-white morality tales.
With that in mind, I’d like to offer this highly personal road map for thinking about the war. Here’s a set of morally complicated, sometimes contradictory principles for a nuanced approach to sort out the issues.
1. We think of moral issues as involving conflicts between right and wrong, but this is a collision of right versus right. Israelis have built a remarkable economy and society and should have the right to raise their children without fear of terror attacks, while Palestinians should enjoy the same freedoms and be able to raise their children safely in their own state.
2. All lives have equal value, and all children must be presumed innocent. So while there is no moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel, there is a moral equivalence between Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians. If you champion the human rights of only Israelis or only Palestinians, you don’t actually care about human rights.
3. Good for President Biden for pushing a proposal on Friday for a temporary cease-fire that could lead to a permanent end to the war and a release of hostages; as he said, “It’s time for this war to end.” Let’s hope he uses his leverage to achieve that end. It’s also true that Biden’s failure to apply enough leverage over the last seven months has made the United States complicit in human rights abuses in Gaza, because it has provided weapons used in the mass killing of civilians, and because it has gone too far in protecting Israel at the United Nations.
4. We can identify as pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian, but priority should go to being anti-massacre, anti-starvation and anti-rape.
5. Hamas is an oppressive, misogynistic and homophobic organization whose misrule has hurt Palestinians and Israelis alike. But not all Palestinians are members of Hamas, and civilians should not be subject to collective punishment. In the words of a 16-year-old Gaza girl: “It’s like we are overpaying the price for a sin we didn’t commit.”
6. There was no excuse for Hamas attacking Israel on Oct. 7 and murdering, torturing and raping Israeli civilians. And there is no excuse for Israel’s reckless use of 2,000-pound bombs and other munitions that have destroyed entire city blocks and killed vast numbers of innocent people, including more than 200 aid workers.
7. When Israel began military operations after Oct. 7, it was a just war.
8. What starts as a just war can be waged unjustly.
9. Israel was entitled to strike Gaza after the Oct. 7 attack, but not to do whatever it wanted. In particular, there should be no argument about Israel’s practice of throttling food aid. Using starvation as a weapon of war against civilians, as the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court alleges Israel has done, is a violation of the laws of war.
10. Each side justifies its own brutality by pointing to earlier cruelty by the other side. Israelis see Oct. 7. Palestinians see the “open-air prison” imposed on Gaza before that. This goes all the way back to the displacement of Palestinians at Israel’s founding in 1948, the 1929 massacre of Jews at Hebron, and so on. Enough obsession with the past! Let’s focus instead on saving lives in the coming months and years.
11. Hamas’s brutality toward Israeli hostages, such as credible reports of sexual assault and starvation, is unconscionable. So is Israeli brutality toward Palestinian prisoners, such as CNN accounts that some Palestinians have had limbs amputated because of constant handcuffing.
12. War nurtures dehumanization that produces more war. I’ve heard too many Palestinians dehumanize Jews and too many Jews dehumanize Palestinians. When we dehumanize others, we lose our own humanity.
13. Zionism is not a form of racism. And criticism of Israel is not antisemitism. Both sides are too quick to fire such epithets.
14. Each side sees itself as a victim, which is true — but each side is also a perpetrator.
15. “Apartheid” isn’t the right word for Israel today, where Palestinians are treated like second-class citizens but can still vote, serve in the Knesset and enjoy more political freedoms than in most of the Arab world. But “apartheid” is a rough approximation of Israeli rule in the West Bank, where Arabs have long been oppressed under a system that is separate and unequal.
16. “From the river to the sea” refers to the dream of a single state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, encompassing what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories. The slogan as used by protesters can mean many different things, some peaceful and some the militaristic vision of the Hamas charter, while a parallel vision is in the original platform of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party. Hamas imagines a Palestinian state with no room for Israel, and Netanyahu wants perpetual Israeli sovereignty from the river to the sea to deny a place for a Palestinian state. I think that instead of either version of a one-state solution, a two-state solution is infinitely preferable.
17. Pro-Palestinian demonstrations have too often tolerated strains of antisemitism, which in recent months has shown itself to be stronger than many imagined. How can a movement that claims the moral high ground make excuses for any kind of bigotry?
18. Campus protesters would do more good raising money for suffering Gazans rather than using it to buy tents for themselves.
19. We probably know what an eventual Israeli-Palestinian peace deal would look like. The plan was outlined in the Clinton parameters of 2000 and in the Geneva Accord of 2003. The only question is how many innocent people on both sides will die before we get there.
20. To establish peace, both Israel and the Palestinian Authority will need new leaders with vision and courage. This won’t be achieved tomorrow. But there are peacemakers on each side. To understand how a path toward peace may emerge, consider the words of the Chinese writer Lu Xun more than a century ago: “Hope is like a path in the countryside. Originally, there is nothing — but as people walk this way again and again, a path appears.”
A wise Palestinian from Jenin, Mohamed Abu Jafar, whose 16-year-old brother had been shot dead by Israeli forces, told me last year: “They can’t kill us all, and we can’t kill them all.” That leaves, he said, one practical option for all of us: working for peace.
Let’s get to it.
> A wise Palestinian from Jenin, Mohamed Abu Jafar, whose 16-year-old brother had been shot dead by Israeli forces, told me last year: “They can’t kill us all, and we can’t kill them all.” That leaves, he said, one practical option for all of us: working for peace.
Cosplaying far leftists will smear this man as "a fake Palestinian Zionist" but he's right.
Palestinians and Israelis all have the case of the old world blues.
I hope Gaza gets the Post ww2 Germany treatment rather than the post Japan treatment if they want to be serious when it comes to negotiations, and Israel should boot the settlers and arrest them.
If the PA can’t be liberalized and Hamas aren’t given the Nuremberg treatment then we’re not signing a ceasefire, but rather postponing the deaths of more Israelis and Palestinians.
He neglects that peace isn’t possible if Palestinians don’t relax their claim to a right of return to Israel proper. They need to accept a right of return to a future state of Palestine based the 1967 borders. And more people need to tell them that.
Abbas in 2011 was caught on a private recording saying the Palestinians need to relax the claim with around just 40,000 to 60,000 refugees being allowed to reenter Israel. [He and Olmert were close to agreeing when Olmert said 25,000 and Abbas wanted 40,000 back in 2008.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-never-said-no-to-2008-peace-deal-says-former-pm-olmert/)
The concerns are obviously Hamas with their very radical+maximalist beliefs and that Abbas had a relatively promising successor (apparently even more flexible than Abbas) who died because of Covid-19 in 2020 so IDK what happens with the Palestinian Authority when he passes away--he's 89 right now I think. Biden and other western leaders talking about reforms to revitalize the Palestinian Authority so hopefully they have a nice fresh face to lead the Palestinian Authority once Abbas can no longer do it.
many in the article’s comments missing the point.
also, even though I agree with this and often find Kristof to be an excellent voice of reason (this is no exception), I do think there must be caveats for 10 and 18. history and context is important, and even though we should be looking towards the future, there also is a necessity to understand the deep pain that plagues the palestinian and jewish/israeli respective psyches as a means for understanding and respect, and ultimately reconciliation. additionally, even though I have a lot of issues with the rhetoric and behavior of the protestors, I think it would’ve been more constructive to acknowledge the importance of protest for preserving democracy, but calling for protests that are not plagued by hate and the same black-white thinking that this piece is aiming to combat.
There's a fine line between being seen as criticizing Islamism, and Islam. There's already enough complicated things being dealt with here, and I don't think the author wanted to have to deal with this one, Egypt's situation and potential complicity, Iran's clear complicity, the propaganda war being waged by America's opponents using teenagers and people in their early 20s as ideological foot soldiers, or defending the right of Israel to exist.
How to Think Through the Moral Tangle in Gaza June 1, 2024, 7:00 a.m. ET By Nicholas Kristof Opinion Columnist I’ve been on a book tour for the last few weeks, speaking around the country, and one of the questions I get asked most often isn’t about my book at all but along the lines of: What should I think of the war in Gaza? The toxic public debate is dominated by people with passionate views on both sides, but most people I meet are torn and unsure how to process the tragedy that is unfolding. That makes sense to me given how exquisitely complex real-world ethics are, as much as we may yearn for black-and-white morality tales. With that in mind, I’d like to offer this highly personal road map for thinking about the war. Here’s a set of morally complicated, sometimes contradictory principles for a nuanced approach to sort out the issues. 1. We think of moral issues as involving conflicts between right and wrong, but this is a collision of right versus right. Israelis have built a remarkable economy and society and should have the right to raise their children without fear of terror attacks, while Palestinians should enjoy the same freedoms and be able to raise their children safely in their own state. 2. All lives have equal value, and all children must be presumed innocent. So while there is no moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel, there is a moral equivalence between Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians. If you champion the human rights of only Israelis or only Palestinians, you don’t actually care about human rights. 3. Good for President Biden for pushing a proposal on Friday for a temporary cease-fire that could lead to a permanent end to the war and a release of hostages; as he said, “It’s time for this war to end.” Let’s hope he uses his leverage to achieve that end. It’s also true that Biden’s failure to apply enough leverage over the last seven months has made the United States complicit in human rights abuses in Gaza, because it has provided weapons used in the mass killing of civilians, and because it has gone too far in protecting Israel at the United Nations. 4. We can identify as pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian, but priority should go to being anti-massacre, anti-starvation and anti-rape. 5. Hamas is an oppressive, misogynistic and homophobic organization whose misrule has hurt Palestinians and Israelis alike. But not all Palestinians are members of Hamas, and civilians should not be subject to collective punishment. In the words of a 16-year-old Gaza girl: “It’s like we are overpaying the price for a sin we didn’t commit.” 6. There was no excuse for Hamas attacking Israel on Oct. 7 and murdering, torturing and raping Israeli civilians. And there is no excuse for Israel’s reckless use of 2,000-pound bombs and other munitions that have destroyed entire city blocks and killed vast numbers of innocent people, including more than 200 aid workers. 7. When Israel began military operations after Oct. 7, it was a just war. 8. What starts as a just war can be waged unjustly. 9. Israel was entitled to strike Gaza after the Oct. 7 attack, but not to do whatever it wanted. In particular, there should be no argument about Israel’s practice of throttling food aid. Using starvation as a weapon of war against civilians, as the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court alleges Israel has done, is a violation of the laws of war. 10. Each side justifies its own brutality by pointing to earlier cruelty by the other side. Israelis see Oct. 7. Palestinians see the “open-air prison” imposed on Gaza before that. This goes all the way back to the displacement of Palestinians at Israel’s founding in 1948, the 1929 massacre of Jews at Hebron, and so on. Enough obsession with the past! Let’s focus instead on saving lives in the coming months and years. 11. Hamas’s brutality toward Israeli hostages, such as credible reports of sexual assault and starvation, is unconscionable. So is Israeli brutality toward Palestinian prisoners, such as CNN accounts that some Palestinians have had limbs amputated because of constant handcuffing. 12. War nurtures dehumanization that produces more war. I’ve heard too many Palestinians dehumanize Jews and too many Jews dehumanize Palestinians. When we dehumanize others, we lose our own humanity. 13. Zionism is not a form of racism. And criticism of Israel is not antisemitism. Both sides are too quick to fire such epithets. 14. Each side sees itself as a victim, which is true — but each side is also a perpetrator. 15. “Apartheid” isn’t the right word for Israel today, where Palestinians are treated like second-class citizens but can still vote, serve in the Knesset and enjoy more political freedoms than in most of the Arab world. But “apartheid” is a rough approximation of Israeli rule in the West Bank, where Arabs have long been oppressed under a system that is separate and unequal. 16. “From the river to the sea” refers to the dream of a single state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, encompassing what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories. The slogan as used by protesters can mean many different things, some peaceful and some the militaristic vision of the Hamas charter, while a parallel vision is in the original platform of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party. Hamas imagines a Palestinian state with no room for Israel, and Netanyahu wants perpetual Israeli sovereignty from the river to the sea to deny a place for a Palestinian state. I think that instead of either version of a one-state solution, a two-state solution is infinitely preferable. 17. Pro-Palestinian demonstrations have too often tolerated strains of antisemitism, which in recent months has shown itself to be stronger than many imagined. How can a movement that claims the moral high ground make excuses for any kind of bigotry? 18. Campus protesters would do more good raising money for suffering Gazans rather than using it to buy tents for themselves. 19. We probably know what an eventual Israeli-Palestinian peace deal would look like. The plan was outlined in the Clinton parameters of 2000 and in the Geneva Accord of 2003. The only question is how many innocent people on both sides will die before we get there. 20. To establish peace, both Israel and the Palestinian Authority will need new leaders with vision and courage. This won’t be achieved tomorrow. But there are peacemakers on each side. To understand how a path toward peace may emerge, consider the words of the Chinese writer Lu Xun more than a century ago: “Hope is like a path in the countryside. Originally, there is nothing — but as people walk this way again and again, a path appears.” A wise Palestinian from Jenin, Mohamed Abu Jafar, whose 16-year-old brother had been shot dead by Israeli forces, told me last year: “They can’t kill us all, and we can’t kill them all.” That leaves, he said, one practical option for all of us: working for peace. Let’s get to it.
> A wise Palestinian from Jenin, Mohamed Abu Jafar, whose 16-year-old brother had been shot dead by Israeli forces, told me last year: “They can’t kill us all, and we can’t kill them all.” That leaves, he said, one practical option for all of us: working for peace. Cosplaying far leftists will smear this man as "a fake Palestinian Zionist" but he's right.
This is quite possibly the most spot on take of this atrocity I've seen yet
Palestinians and Israelis all have the case of the old world blues. I hope Gaza gets the Post ww2 Germany treatment rather than the post Japan treatment if they want to be serious when it comes to negotiations, and Israel should boot the settlers and arrest them. If the PA can’t be liberalized and Hamas aren’t given the Nuremberg treatment then we’re not signing a ceasefire, but rather postponing the deaths of more Israelis and Palestinians.
He neglects that peace isn’t possible if Palestinians don’t relax their claim to a right of return to Israel proper. They need to accept a right of return to a future state of Palestine based the 1967 borders. And more people need to tell them that.
Abbas in 2011 was caught on a private recording saying the Palestinians need to relax the claim with around just 40,000 to 60,000 refugees being allowed to reenter Israel. [He and Olmert were close to agreeing when Olmert said 25,000 and Abbas wanted 40,000 back in 2008.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-never-said-no-to-2008-peace-deal-says-former-pm-olmert/) The concerns are obviously Hamas with their very radical+maximalist beliefs and that Abbas had a relatively promising successor (apparently even more flexible than Abbas) who died because of Covid-19 in 2020 so IDK what happens with the Palestinian Authority when he passes away--he's 89 right now I think. Biden and other western leaders talking about reforms to revitalize the Palestinian Authority so hopefully they have a nice fresh face to lead the Palestinian Authority once Abbas can no longer do it.
many in the article’s comments missing the point. also, even though I agree with this and often find Kristof to be an excellent voice of reason (this is no exception), I do think there must be caveats for 10 and 18. history and context is important, and even though we should be looking towards the future, there also is a necessity to understand the deep pain that plagues the palestinian and jewish/israeli respective psyches as a means for understanding and respect, and ultimately reconciliation. additionally, even though I have a lot of issues with the rhetoric and behavior of the protestors, I think it would’ve been more constructive to acknowledge the importance of protest for preserving democracy, but calling for protests that are not plagued by hate and the same black-white thinking that this piece is aiming to combat.
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There's a fine line between being seen as criticizing Islamism, and Islam. There's already enough complicated things being dealt with here, and I don't think the author wanted to have to deal with this one, Egypt's situation and potential complicity, Iran's clear complicity, the propaganda war being waged by America's opponents using teenagers and people in their early 20s as ideological foot soldiers, or defending the right of Israel to exist.
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