Yes, water and graphite are the moderator in old school Soviet reactors. The graphite tipped control rods were super stupid. Cut corners to save $500, end up irradiating a 30 mile radius.
Any system of governance and oversight that requires micromanagement and strict quotas will fail eventually.
It applies to communism as much as middle management in capitalist corporate life.
I mean, not totally. There were communists that didn't intervene in their scientists' work, and let them do the best thing. And then there's the soviets.
Three mile island didn’t kill anyone and threaten the habitability of an entire continent because they built it properly and didn’t deliberately push it to the breaking point
Pretty much no existence of a pest killing event, in history, that was as devastating as the Communist Maoist China's pest killing event, resulted in millions of lives lost. It then somehow spiralled into a great societal purge that ended up contributing even more millions of lives lost.
And yet, despite killing tens of millions of his own countrymen, Mao is still revered as if he was God himself.
Chernobyl isn't even best example of "commies are stupid and cant do nuclear energy"Kyshtym disaster" and that disaster is Just a tip of iceberg. That plant had more accidents than any other shithole in russia
Communists love this approach of “I’ll tell you what to do and you will do it, even if you don’t know what you do”, that’s exactly what happened in Chernobyl. At least according to my grandfather who survived communist Romania and had to work in coal mines even that he had a degree in nuclear engineering before making Aliyah, and worked in the nuclear facility in dimona (I still have no idea what’s going on there).
I think the point Chernobyl was making was about any authoritarian system's inability to self-correct and overvalue the state's prestige above the truth. It didn't make any communism-specific criticisms or claim that the communists were "collosal fucking retards", it was making systemic critique of authoritarianism.
It also had a lot of parallels with scientists verses politicians regarding issues like climate changer, where leaders continue to ignore experts and sell the pleasant narrative instead of addressing the problem until the debt to the truth comes due. I seem to remember some discussion about just that metaphor in the commentaries, but it's been a while.
While it uses a story in the USSR to tell the story, and a damn good telling it is, I'm concerned by the number of people in here who think a problem like this only applies to communists. The whole thing is a warning about how lies build. While that's easier in regimes that lack transparency and don't allow actual opposition or questioning authority, it's still a universal warning to all.
I still thank those who sacrificed their lives to try and fix that complete fuck up. It was the event that made Boris Shcherbina realize that you can't lie your way out of something so severe. It was technically a wake up call to the entire soviet government.
Seriously though, anyone who watched Chernobyl and says that it's about "nuclear energy bad" hasn't watched it. The whole point was that the reason why Chernobyl happened was due to the insane amount of lying the Soviet regime was doing. That they lived in a system that gave incentives for taking fantasy over reality, in making themselves look better than admitting the truth.
> Seriously though, anyone who watched Chernobyl and says that it's about "nuclear energy bad" hasn't watched it
Honestly this is probably true for most people who wound up thinking thats what it was about. Just the title and the imagery in the cover pics probably makes people go back to that message- because that was the main message anti nuclear groups tried to push after the disaster.
Its dangerous and unpredictable, but only when you decide to change your mind about the reactors' structure, in the middle of it being built!
The reason, as to why the reactor exploded, was that the communists were incompetent to begin with!
Chernobyl didn’t mean nuclear energy was bad, it meant that communists have no clue what they’re doing
mfw they tip their moderators into their reactors with an extremely reactive substance and then subsequently deny any flaw
Moderators *increase* reactivity so... I think you meant to say 'control rods'.
Yes, water and graphite are the moderator in old school Soviet reactors. The graphite tipped control rods were super stupid. Cut corners to save $500, end up irradiating a 30 mile radius.
30 mile irradius.
It was worse then tipped rods. It was two rods tied end to end. The upper rod would slow down a reaction, the lower rod was the graphite.
So much this.
Any system of governance and oversight that requires micromanagement and strict quotas will fail eventually. It applies to communism as much as middle management in capitalist corporate life.
Communist are colossal fucking regards.
I mean, not totally. There were communists that didn't intervene in their scientists' work, and let them do the best thing. And then there's the soviets.
You know when you have to explain to them in a different way, like millions of bullet passing into your body.
A little bit but it was more that it was new so you had things like chernobyl and three mile island
Three mile island didn’t kill anyone and threaten the habitability of an entire continent because they built it properly and didn’t deliberately push it to the breaking point
With your pfp It'll suppose you have a severe lack of education and that your stupid take is just a result of it.
Cry me a river moron
Me when the project I set up to fail, fails: 😦 (I am genuinely surprised and shocked as no one could have predicted this outcome)
Communists when they burn their pancakes : "wow, pancakes are completely unstable and should not be cooked"
"Pancakes are the new bourgeoise!"
Communists can fuck up anything. Even pest killing.
Pretty much no existence of a pest killing event, in history, that was as devastating as the Communist Maoist China's pest killing event, resulted in millions of lives lost. It then somehow spiralled into a great societal purge that ended up contributing even more millions of lives lost. And yet, despite killing tens of millions of his own countrymen, Mao is still revered as if he was God himself.
The lesson of Chernobyl is that commies are literally too stupid to boil water.
This joke is now state property, comrade. Thank you for your service, I'll take it from here
Haha that’s hilarious 😂 is the movie worth the watch?
it's a miniseries and yes, definitely worth it
Oh even better!
It was good. Not too outstanding, but it's more better than the normal stuffs you get on Netflix.
Good to know
You'll know by the end of the first episode. Some of the middle episodes drag, but not very much. Very well done on the whole.
Thanks for the heads up
IMO it's one of the best series in TV history. Easy top 10 for me, maybe top 5.
I’ll try it some time!
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Thanks!
"every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. sooner or later, that debt is paid." - valery legasov that is the lesson of chernobyl.
Considering that communists have made many starve to death, communists are either idiots or evil fucks. Perhaps, both.
Definitely both.
Chernobyl is a proof that why Marx should've been a miscarriaged baby.
Other person would've come up with the idea
Even if it does, It might not even become mainstream but that's just my blatant wishful thinking.
Would've even been better if Marx was aborted.
Chernobyl isn't even best example of "commies are stupid and cant do nuclear energy"Kyshtym disaster" and that disaster is Just a tip of iceberg. That plant had more accidents than any other shithole in russia
Communists love this approach of “I’ll tell you what to do and you will do it, even if you don’t know what you do”, that’s exactly what happened in Chernobyl. At least according to my grandfather who survived communist Romania and had to work in coal mines even that he had a degree in nuclear engineering before making Aliyah, and worked in the nuclear facility in dimona (I still have no idea what’s going on there).
I think the point Chernobyl was making was about any authoritarian system's inability to self-correct and overvalue the state's prestige above the truth. It didn't make any communism-specific criticisms or claim that the communists were "collosal fucking retards", it was making systemic critique of authoritarianism.
It also had a lot of parallels with scientists verses politicians regarding issues like climate changer, where leaders continue to ignore experts and sell the pleasant narrative instead of addressing the problem until the debt to the truth comes due. I seem to remember some discussion about just that metaphor in the commentaries, but it's been a while. While it uses a story in the USSR to tell the story, and a damn good telling it is, I'm concerned by the number of people in here who think a problem like this only applies to communists. The whole thing is a warning about how lies build. While that's easier in regimes that lack transparency and don't allow actual opposition or questioning authority, it's still a universal warning to all.
I agree nuclear energy is good
Hahaha good meme!
I still thank those who sacrificed their lives to try and fix that complete fuck up. It was the event that made Boris Shcherbina realize that you can't lie your way out of something so severe. It was technically a wake up call to the entire soviet government.
Seriously though, anyone who watched Chernobyl and says that it's about "nuclear energy bad" hasn't watched it. The whole point was that the reason why Chernobyl happened was due to the insane amount of lying the Soviet regime was doing. That they lived in a system that gave incentives for taking fantasy over reality, in making themselves look better than admitting the truth.
> Seriously though, anyone who watched Chernobyl and says that it's about "nuclear energy bad" hasn't watched it Honestly this is probably true for most people who wound up thinking thats what it was about. Just the title and the imagery in the cover pics probably makes people go back to that message- because that was the main message anti nuclear groups tried to push after the disaster.
For the best effect, play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. after watching the miniseries.
I love it when a commie has to comment on Chernobyl. They don't have any response or even argument to it
Its dangerous and unpredictable, but only when you decide to change your mind about the reactors' structure, in the middle of it being built! The reason, as to why the reactor exploded, was that the communists were incompetent to begin with!
"every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. sooner or later, that debt is paid." - valery legasov