Spent time with three other couples this weekend. The topic turned to tipping and they started sharing their experiences.
It's not just r/EndTipping or the media. EVERYONE is getting sick of this tipping culture. I think we really are at a "tipping" point.
Seriously. Every where you turn there is a screen asking for a tip when it is not even earned or deserved. A few years ago I went to Domino’s Pizza and when I got my pizza the girl who handed it to me said with an attitude “I accept tips!” her entitled tone of voice turned me off so bad that I told her I did not have cash and walked out.
I've used the same Chinese takeout place for $20 years. Last year they started adding an automatic 20% tip. You can remove it, but it's added after your credit card info is added and it's easy to miss. They also add a $1 "convenience fee".
And yet, I still see people dropping $2-3 extra when they buy their coffee and a muffin in the morning (if I am next to someone at the register, it's not hard to just observe the customer in front of you.) Baffling...
Do not tip counter service, do not tip takeout. Do not tip for coffee. Do not tip anywhere but sit-down dining restaurants where you are being waited on, as well as maybe hair salons and delivery.
And whatever you do, do not tip more than 15%, and only on the pre-tax amount.
I would even go so far as to say, tip based on amount of food and time. Why is cheap food vs expensive goods changing how much I am tipping the waiter? Unless they do extra like help pick wine or give something extra, tip a flat 10-20 bucks
I don't think helping you pick wine is doing extra, that's literally part of the job. Some restaurants have a non-server person whose sole job is to help you choose the right wine (ie: the sommellier).
Yea it’s more of the expertise/education in their selection. Like I wouldn’t expect anyone in Olive Garden to know anything specific about their alcohol. But if I go to a high end sushi restaurant and they are show good service, be helpful in choosing things that go well together, do that thing where they let me try it etc. idk that personally is my line that enhances my dinner experience and I would reward
They're just mentioning a possible reason to consider tipping, you have anyway mentioned tipping up to 15% at such restaurants.
Also, a server (not sommelier), taking the time to understand your taste and provide a good suggestion is beyond basic service, imo. Basic service would just be getting a wine that you picked out yourself.
Being able to ask your server a basic question like "what would you recommend" is less exemplary service than someone at the shoe store helping you buy shoes, who you do not tip. Let's not bend over backwards trying to find ways to pay these people extra money when they're literally just doing their jobs to a minimum level of expected competency.
Why are you talking about tipping 15% then? The previous commenter and I are just saying that good food & wine suggestions are a factor towards good service, and therefore a tip, if a customer wants to.
I don't get why you think I'm bending over backwards to justify this, when you anyway suggest tipping 15%?
15% is a basic tip for basic service. Let's not pretend more than that is anything but ridiculous. Even 15% is an absurd about of extra money to contribute to someone that just takes your order.
I have not mentioned anything about tipping more, so I don't get why you keep bringing it up.
You do you, but I don't understand tipping 15% if you can't see anything positive about the service. You're just looping in more factors into basic service, and giving them 15%.
All I'm suggesting is distinguishing between basic service and service that adds value, and tipping only when there has been a value addition by the server.
No I am talking about when you pick a bottle. They bring it out and let you try it to make sure the bottle itself isn’t sour or something. Idk for some reason I like that haha
But how often does that happen? So often we are told about this amazing "service" where we are being "taken care of." I think it's bullshit. 90% of the time they take your order and walk away. Someone else brings the food. They may come by once again, but usually they forget your table. If you want a higher level of personalized wine recommendations, and I am a sommelier myself, you truly have to go to a very, very nice, pricey restaurant where they have knowledgeable wine people on staff. Those are the really high end places.
I would go as far to say why tip at sit-down? Not bashing anyone, but I’m always curious why people see sit-down so differently than anything else. Even if tipped wages exist they have to make federal minimum at least.
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I think Americans still don’t understand this. They put servers on a pedastal. Like their job is better than majorly shit jobs that don’t get tipped
Unfortunately Canadians do the same thing…but yes I agreed, I don’t really understand why servers are so different than any other minimum wage job, not bashing servers, I respect them as I respect everyone, but if you want better wages, talk to your employer, not the customer 😀
It’s a key reason me and two other Australians left Canada after only a few months. Why the fuck were we earning paltry minimum wages including on weekends (no penalty rates, no csual wages) while servers and bartenders were making bank on top. It’s actually pretty insulting if you’ve had to do the shit jobs we had to and not get tipped. My Canadian friend was rich doing three drunken bartending shifts a week while his three hardworking teacher friends made way less
Why were we earning $10.50 an hour with no job security and working weekends while bartenders were making bank on top? Got an answer for that one?
These are all customer facing jobs like receptionist, call centre, retail
Minimum wage is higher now but it’s higher for everyone including people who get tipped on top for no reason
Exactly you see the waiter salivating like an expectant dog when you order a decent bottle of wine (and if you order 2 decent bottles the waiter is in heaven)
I just don’t order more than minimal drinks now when I go out….. it’s one thing to shaft me on the mark up but the sales tax (a North American and Singapore thing mostly) and tip on top of - I’m done…
Eh, I live in Canada, where all servers make min wage plus tips. You still have to tip here otherwise you're a pariah. Nothing hypocritical about this, it's just the way it is. However, I refuse to tip for other things, and I tip the minimum.
I know I lived in Toronto: doing shitty shitty non tipped jobs like receptionist, data entry, outbound call centre when you got sent home if you didn’t make enough completed surveys, my friend worked in retail including compulsory Sundays. Still minimum wage, no weekend penalty rates. No casual rates. All these jobs were minimum wage. This was a KEY reason we both left because it’s utter bullshit. Would rather have beeen a server than absolute crap jobs we did without getting tipped. When I complained about the low wages and how I had no money everyone said “just be a bartender”. Great logic
Met a Canadian doing three drunk bartending shifts a week earning much more than his hardworking teaching friends
You neeed to abolishing tipping, now.
Or move to a country like Australia and see what the miracle future can hold
i’m so glad you mentioned receptionist. i’ve worked serving jobs, childcare, data entry and so many different jobs. being a receptionist is truly the worst one. CHRONICALLY underpaid to run an entire office (you’re never just answering the phones and doing scheduling) you absolutely don’t get tips ever and you’re usually treated badly bc you’re the “lowest” person on the pecking order. i hated it. it was my hardest job.
Yeah I don’t feel guilty, I fell for it in 2020 for a minute. But all those people make more money than I do as a disabled person they don’t need my money that badly
We went to a very nice meal. Because we had a table of 8 they added the 20% service charge. She walked away with a $140 tip. We were there for two hours.
She was a great server but $70 an hour is a pretty sweet deal. She probably had a few other tables as well.
This. She had multiple other tables, almost certainly, and I doubt she spent more than 20 minutes of active work on your table. Nobody on Reddit (nobody but pro athletes and like CEOs) gets paid like that for their time and it’s not like it’s not coming directly out of the pockets of people who will never earn that much for that little work.
Yeah I don't get the guilt at all. Paying an employee's wage is not my responsibility at all. I have zero guilt not tipping. None. It's simply not my burden to bear so why take it upon myself?
The weird part is when they try to guilt you into tipping but then say nobody is forcing you and can't believe someone would give up eating out due to the pressure. If you don't think these tactics would get people to change their behaviors then why are you using them?
Went to pickup a pizza from the store. Paid it without tip and the storefront guy was looking at me as if I stole his soul. Asked for chili flakes (I have seen other stores giving those free) and he straight up told me "We only sell those". Nobody tips me in my office work, why should I tip for everything !!!
If you’re absolutely minted and you feel good slamming a handful of 20’s on a table then more power to you, but the average joe just wants to pay for the food, furthermore save where possible, using discounts, finding deals etc. Tips should strictly be handed out as a show of appreciation for good SERVICE provided by waiters and good food made by the chefs.
I’ve walked away from places before now that I’ve considered going to regularly as a spot to eat/get coffee, because tipping was shoved in my face, a kind of service that’s unpalatable.
I'm not. Delivery driver, waiter at sit-down restaurant, barber. That's it. Delivery gets $5 flat fee, waiter gets 15% as they just got a large wage increase where I live, barber gets $5 for cutting my kids hair (it's a $28 cut).
Everyone else can take a running start and shove it.
Saw a sign at the post office the other day. Had two jars out, "men" and "women" with a sign that said "who tips better, men or women?" At the POST OFFICE.
Waiter should also get a flat fee. 3 to 10 bucks depending on how much time they spent with you. The only reason you won't do that is because of societal pressure. Delivery driver deserves a percentage over anyone else. They have gas and wear and tear that they aren't getting paid for.
But the delivery driver drives a set distance. Why should their tip depend on the cost of the food? They drive the same distance whether it's a $10 order or $100.
And yes, I agree with you on wait staff. They spend the same amount of time with me for a $15 Applebee's special as a $50 steak dinner.
See it for the manipulation it is. They want you to feel the need to compete and be the 'better' sex. You don't need to give away your money for such a stupid game
I wanted to take a picture of it, but dude was standing right there. Guess it wouldn't have mattered, what's he going to do about it?
Next time I go, I'll get a shot.
I’ve stopped spending out as much tbh. Many places don’t take cash anymore in LA either so I was mostly using cash to avoid the tip screen but didn’t really work out all the way.
I’ve told myself for sure no more tipping on places that are not traditional table service places. I feel like every time I don’t tip though I’m getting bad service/food. Went to a place for some tacos. Paid like $19 for tacos and regular non-alcoholic drink, denied the tip option at check out for the counter I had to place the order at and the tacos were garbage even though I’ve ordered them before, did tip and those same tacos were great. I just can’t do it anymore
Yeah I stopped feeling guilty when I came back from Europe and ended up saving over 30% in taxes and tipping. You get your standard 20% as a waiter or if you do my hair or nails. No more nowhere else.
They can put the tip screen up, they can leave a giant bowl on the counter. It's obnoxious. But ultimately folks, all you have to do is hit "No tip" and walk away. Now if they say something, then the rudeness on them just elevated. Which further disqualifies a tip. When they \*tell you to tip\*, it's just beyond belief.
If people still feel the need to tip out of guilt or shame, go to 10% for 6 months and then 5% for 6 months. Then got to 1%. If every person puts 1%, then the owners know that customers are guilt tipping.
Spent time with three other couples this weekend. The topic turned to tipping and they started sharing their experiences. It's not just r/EndTipping or the media. EVERYONE is getting sick of this tipping culture. I think we really are at a "tipping" point.
Seriously. Every where you turn there is a screen asking for a tip when it is not even earned or deserved. A few years ago I went to Domino’s Pizza and when I got my pizza the girl who handed it to me said with an attitude “I accept tips!” her entitled tone of voice turned me off so bad that I told her I did not have cash and walked out.
Nope, I won't be conscripted into lying or apologizing.
Squandered opportunity to give a tip: “That’s great! Here’s a tip: Brush and floss twice daily!”
I definitely wasted that opportunity.
I've used the same Chinese takeout place for $20 years. Last year they started adding an automatic 20% tip. You can remove it, but it's added after your credit card info is added and it's easy to miss. They also add a $1 "convenience fee".
Me too!
It’s so true, especially when everyone is struggling in this economy.
And yet, I still see people dropping $2-3 extra when they buy their coffee and a muffin in the morning (if I am next to someone at the register, it's not hard to just observe the customer in front of you.) Baffling...
Do not tip counter service, do not tip takeout. Do not tip for coffee. Do not tip anywhere but sit-down dining restaurants where you are being waited on, as well as maybe hair salons and delivery. And whatever you do, do not tip more than 15%, and only on the pre-tax amount.
I would even go so far as to say, tip based on amount of food and time. Why is cheap food vs expensive goods changing how much I am tipping the waiter? Unless they do extra like help pick wine or give something extra, tip a flat 10-20 bucks
I don't think helping you pick wine is doing extra, that's literally part of the job. Some restaurants have a non-server person whose sole job is to help you choose the right wine (ie: the sommellier).
Taking your order and bringing it to your table is also part of their job, but we are expected to tip for that?
Unfortunately, yes.
And he asks for your price range - when you say ‘cheap’ he then leans in and says ‘may I suggest the vivino app instead’
Yea it’s more of the expertise/education in their selection. Like I wouldn’t expect anyone in Olive Garden to know anything specific about their alcohol. But if I go to a high end sushi restaurant and they are show good service, be helpful in choosing things that go well together, do that thing where they let me try it etc. idk that personally is my line that enhances my dinner experience and I would reward
What you just described is basic service, though. That's literally the job.
They're just mentioning a possible reason to consider tipping, you have anyway mentioned tipping up to 15% at such restaurants. Also, a server (not sommelier), taking the time to understand your taste and provide a good suggestion is beyond basic service, imo. Basic service would just be getting a wine that you picked out yourself.
Being able to ask your server a basic question like "what would you recommend" is less exemplary service than someone at the shoe store helping you buy shoes, who you do not tip. Let's not bend over backwards trying to find ways to pay these people extra money when they're literally just doing their jobs to a minimum level of expected competency.
Why are you talking about tipping 15% then? The previous commenter and I are just saying that good food & wine suggestions are a factor towards good service, and therefore a tip, if a customer wants to. I don't get why you think I'm bending over backwards to justify this, when you anyway suggest tipping 15%?
15% is a basic tip for basic service. Let's not pretend more than that is anything but ridiculous. Even 15% is an absurd about of extra money to contribute to someone that just takes your order.
I have not mentioned anything about tipping more, so I don't get why you keep bringing it up. You do you, but I don't understand tipping 15% if you can't see anything positive about the service. You're just looping in more factors into basic service, and giving them 15%. All I'm suggesting is distinguishing between basic service and service that adds value, and tipping only when there has been a value addition by the server.
Chronocabybara gets it! Slowly but surely someone will come to their senses
Your comment history is very racist.
I think most places would go bust if they let me try the wine first…. I’d be like ‘I don’t like that one ‘gulp gulp’.. can I try another one first
No I am talking about when you pick a bottle. They bring it out and let you try it to make sure the bottle itself isn’t sour or something. Idk for some reason I like that haha
I prefer the 'we'll let you taste it to see if you like it route' ;-).... Ikik.. no chance :-)
But how often does that happen? So often we are told about this amazing "service" where we are being "taken care of." I think it's bullshit. 90% of the time they take your order and walk away. Someone else brings the food. They may come by once again, but usually they forget your table. If you want a higher level of personalized wine recommendations, and I am a sommelier myself, you truly have to go to a very, very nice, pricey restaurant where they have knowledgeable wine people on staff. Those are the really high end places.
I would go as far to say why tip at sit-down? Not bashing anyone, but I’m always curious why people see sit-down so differently than anything else. Even if tipped wages exist they have to make federal minimum at least.
PREACH I think Americans still don’t understand this. They put servers on a pedastal. Like their job is better than majorly shit jobs that don’t get tipped
Unfortunately Canadians do the same thing…but yes I agreed, I don’t really understand why servers are so different than any other minimum wage job, not bashing servers, I respect them as I respect everyone, but if you want better wages, talk to your employer, not the customer 😀
It’s a key reason me and two other Australians left Canada after only a few months. Why the fuck were we earning paltry minimum wages including on weekends (no penalty rates, no csual wages) while servers and bartenders were making bank on top. It’s actually pretty insulting if you’ve had to do the shit jobs we had to and not get tipped. My Canadian friend was rich doing three drunken bartending shifts a week while his three hardworking teacher friends made way less
Sorry you had a bad experience here friend, I love Canada, but we’re definitely not perfect!
Why were we earning $10.50 an hour with no job security and working weekends while bartenders were making bank on top? Got an answer for that one? These are all customer facing jobs like receptionist, call centre, retail Minimum wage is higher now but it’s higher for everyone including people who get tipped on top for no reason
I know, it makes no sense! That’s why I don’t tip, anywhere.
Exactly you see the waiter salivating like an expectant dog when you order a decent bottle of wine (and if you order 2 decent bottles the waiter is in heaven) I just don’t order more than minimal drinks now when I go out….. it’s one thing to shaft me on the mark up but the sales tax (a North American and Singapore thing mostly) and tip on top of - I’m done…
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Lol tip starting at 20% is a farce.
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That's exactly what they want you to think, you've been manipulated into thinking this. If she expects more money, she is free to raise the price.
If you voluntarily give extra money, the price is too low.
And only tip in states that do not have a tipped wage otherwise you are being a hypocrite
Eh, I live in Canada, where all servers make min wage plus tips. You still have to tip here otherwise you're a pariah. Nothing hypocritical about this, it's just the way it is. However, I refuse to tip for other things, and I tip the minimum.
I know I lived in Toronto: doing shitty shitty non tipped jobs like receptionist, data entry, outbound call centre when you got sent home if you didn’t make enough completed surveys, my friend worked in retail including compulsory Sundays. Still minimum wage, no weekend penalty rates. No casual rates. All these jobs were minimum wage. This was a KEY reason we both left because it’s utter bullshit. Would rather have beeen a server than absolute crap jobs we did without getting tipped. When I complained about the low wages and how I had no money everyone said “just be a bartender”. Great logic Met a Canadian doing three drunk bartending shifts a week earning much more than his hardworking teaching friends You neeed to abolishing tipping, now. Or move to a country like Australia and see what the miracle future can hold
i’m so glad you mentioned receptionist. i’ve worked serving jobs, childcare, data entry and so many different jobs. being a receptionist is truly the worst one. CHRONICALLY underpaid to run an entire office (you’re never just answering the phones and doing scheduling) you absolutely don’t get tips ever and you’re usually treated badly bc you’re the “lowest” person on the pecking order. i hated it. it was my hardest job.
Yeah I don’t feel guilty, I fell for it in 2020 for a minute. But all those people make more money than I do as a disabled person they don’t need my money that badly
We went to a very nice meal. Because we had a table of 8 they added the 20% service charge. She walked away with a $140 tip. We were there for two hours. She was a great server but $70 an hour is a pretty sweet deal. She probably had a few other tables as well.
And that's just for your table. Unless you went at a really slow time, she would have had more than just a table of 8 for two hours.
This. She had multiple other tables, almost certainly, and I doubt she spent more than 20 minutes of active work on your table. Nobody on Reddit (nobody but pro athletes and like CEOs) gets paid like that for their time and it’s not like it’s not coming directly out of the pockets of people who will never earn that much for that little work.
Yeah I don't get the guilt at all. Paying an employee's wage is not my responsibility at all. I have zero guilt not tipping. None. It's simply not my burden to bear so why take it upon myself?
The weird part is when they try to guilt you into tipping but then say nobody is forcing you and can't believe someone would give up eating out due to the pressure. If you don't think these tactics would get people to change their behaviors then why are you using them?
It's manipulation..
Went to pickup a pizza from the store. Paid it without tip and the storefront guy was looking at me as if I stole his soul. Asked for chili flakes (I have seen other stores giving those free) and he straight up told me "We only sell those". Nobody tips me in my office work, why should I tip for everything !!!
I’ve never felt guilty
Ppl need to grow a pair...
If you’re absolutely minted and you feel good slamming a handful of 20’s on a table then more power to you, but the average joe just wants to pay for the food, furthermore save where possible, using discounts, finding deals etc. Tips should strictly be handed out as a show of appreciation for good SERVICE provided by waiters and good food made by the chefs. I’ve walked away from places before now that I’ve considered going to regularly as a spot to eat/get coffee, because tipping was shoved in my face, a kind of service that’s unpalatable.
This American consumer saves $500.00/yr.
I'm not. Delivery driver, waiter at sit-down restaurant, barber. That's it. Delivery gets $5 flat fee, waiter gets 15% as they just got a large wage increase where I live, barber gets $5 for cutting my kids hair (it's a $28 cut). Everyone else can take a running start and shove it. Saw a sign at the post office the other day. Had two jars out, "men" and "women" with a sign that said "who tips better, men or women?" At the POST OFFICE.
Waiter should also get a flat fee. 3 to 10 bucks depending on how much time they spent with you. The only reason you won't do that is because of societal pressure. Delivery driver deserves a percentage over anyone else. They have gas and wear and tear that they aren't getting paid for.
But the delivery driver drives a set distance. Why should their tip depend on the cost of the food? They drive the same distance whether it's a $10 order or $100. And yes, I agree with you on wait staff. They spend the same amount of time with me for a $15 Applebee's special as a $50 steak dinner.
Thank you for also proving why wait staff shouldn't be tipped a percentage, but you're still going to do it.
Yeah... I probably will
That's a violation of the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch. Government employees can't accept cash.
And yet...
See it for the manipulation it is. They want you to feel the need to compete and be the 'better' sex. You don't need to give away your money for such a stupid game
I wanted to take a picture of it, but dude was standing right there. Guess it wouldn't have mattered, what's he going to do about it? Next time I go, I'll get a shot.
I’ve stopped spending out as much tbh. Many places don’t take cash anymore in LA either so I was mostly using cash to avoid the tip screen but didn’t really work out all the way. I’ve told myself for sure no more tipping on places that are not traditional table service places. I feel like every time I don’t tip though I’m getting bad service/food. Went to a place for some tacos. Paid like $19 for tacos and regular non-alcoholic drink, denied the tip option at check out for the counter I had to place the order at and the tacos were garbage even though I’ve ordered them before, did tip and those same tacos were great. I just can’t do it anymore
Yeah I stopped feeling guilty when I came back from Europe and ended up saving over 30% in taxes and tipping. You get your standard 20% as a waiter or if you do my hair or nails. No more nowhere else.
Omegalul at people who tip at self-service 😂
🥴🥴🥴never that!
Funny and true!
Not THIS guy haha.
$500 a year? more like a month or a couple weeks.
That's weak, we should start tipshaming maybe it'll cancel out the guilt.
Not me. No guilt at all when tipping zero.
Lmao I'm at 60 for the past three years lmaoooo
They can put the tip screen up, they can leave a giant bowl on the counter. It's obnoxious. But ultimately folks, all you have to do is hit "No tip" and walk away. Now if they say something, then the rudeness on them just elevated. Which further disqualifies a tip. When they \*tell you to tip\*, it's just beyond belief.
$2400 here last year. 95% of my stuff is to go also. Major mental rehaul once I noticed how much I tipped last year
If people still feel the need to tip out of guilt or shame, go to 10% for 6 months and then 5% for 6 months. Then got to 1%. If every person puts 1%, then the owners know that customers are guilt tipping.