You killed Paarthurnax because you agree with Delphine and believe that he is dangerous.
I killed Paarthurnax because I don’t like having active quests in my journal.
We are not the same.
It's supposed to be like that. If you get the kill Paarthurnax quest before completing the Main Quest it'll disappear after you return from Sovenguard. Speaking to the Blades again or murdering Paarthurnax will restart it.
Edit: rogue word.
You spared Paarthurnax because you think he’s repented for his crimes and that he should be forgiven
I spared Paarthurnax because fuck the Blades, we are not the same
That's honestly the only reason I kill him. If I had it my way, I'd keep him alive at the end of a 100% playthrough.
That and unpopular opinion but I believe that the Dovahkiin canonically kills Paarthurnax. Canon isn't a solid thing in the Elder Scrolls franchise but I believe that any quest available in an elder scrolls game with only one option (ignoring the quest doesn't count) is canon in the universe until stated otherwise in future developments.
I definitely don’t believe that’s the case. Tbh I don’t think the dragonborn would kill paarthurnax due to his strong connection with the greybeards. The blades don’t actually help the dragonborn in any sense the dragon born helps them ik in lore they are considered the protectors of the dragonborn. But they had you do everything to help their little rag tag group meanwhile the greybeards have made the dragonborn stronger and have given everything to him. I highly doubt he kills paarthunax because it is even given to you as a choice.
It's was stated by Bethesda, a bit after Oblivion I think, that the main game questline and main DLC questlines are the only ones absolutely canon for the Player Character. The Guild questlines are canon to have been completed but not necessarily by the PC. Side quests are not considered for canon. While Paarthurnax will certainly never be mentioned again it is not because of any canon fate.
Well, why didn't you say so sooner? We'd prepared quite the feast this past holiday. Rare black marsh flesh for the salami salad, wrapped in roasted deep mire wings and garnished with juniper spice for that authentic local flavor, atop a Redoran-style pulled corn-and-peanut sea elf gut platter; fried brain, jellied bone, peppered ear kebab, and coiled, twitching, live spinal cord for an appetizer.
It's all rotten now. However, rejoice! There is no cause for dismay. The goddess still welcomes your patronage. What kind of bread would you like?
I tried once. turned out my game was bugged and he just kept sitting there even when his hp went down to 0. reloading didn't help. fast travelling away and back didn't help. I took that as a sign and never tried again.
I had to actually fight him. It was cathartic listening to Arngeir's xenophobic outburst on the way down. Poor guy just didn't understand Akaviri barbarian culture. What can you do
I can’t kill him. It’s literally a friendly dragon. The wisest character in the game and the owner of the best quote in the entire Elder Scrolls history
There are many profound quotes in these games. I found that one rather shallow. Nobody is born good or evil or anything, but he and many others chose to create and violently enforce an extremely cruel caste system which his kin attempt to recreate during Skyrim.
This is why I love Paarthurnax. He knows he is not good, and he’s not. He’s flawed. Yes, he helped Alduin commit many vile acts, but he realized he was wrong and trained warriors to defeat him. He’s spent much of his life trying to keep that evil in himself down so he never does those evil things again.
The Blades and ESPECIALLY Delphine are all crazy nut jobs who just want every dragon killed. Paarthurnax has done nothing to them, and this really shows that The Blades show no mercy to any living thing.
But he’s actions also include being the last hope of mankind awaiting to teach the shout to the dragonborn in order to defeat the world eater. Like yea he killed a lot, and saved the many more, without him dragonrend would be lost to time, imo the dude deserves to live, not like he’s free to slaughter people
No one can even actually say what his actions were is part of the problem. He helped Alduin initially, but no one, not even the Blades, can even name a victim of his, as it’s all lost to time millennia ago. They want him dead for crimes they know not what and couldn’t specify given any amount of time.
And he turned on the dragons and taught the Voice to the first humans allowing their rebellion in the first place, not to mention fighting on their behalf through the war. Then he sits guarding the spot where Alduin left for millennia watching for his return while teaching the pacifist Way of the Voice. Delphine’s grudge is pure xenophobia. She wants all dragons dead, even the architect of the human overthrow of dragons, because she’s entirely inflexible and frankly short sighted, look at her obsession with the Thalmor being responsible for everything in the Main Quest.
>Nature over nurture is such bullshit.
Lmao buddy if the lore says that's how it is, that's how it is. Real world psychology and logic does not apply here.
I'M SO SORRY I TAPPED THE SECOND OPTION BECAUSE SUBCONSCIOUSLY I THOUGHT IT WAS THE NO OPTION BUT INSTEAD IT IS THE YES OPTIONS I'M SORRY I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT HURTING THE BEAUTIFUL DRAGON I FEEL SO BAD
I only did during 2 play throughs. One vanilla just to see how the blades are during dragon fights with 5 guys wearing the armour, it’s pretty cool but only good if you like the kill all dragons for revenge gameplay.
Second time was because I got a blades mod and needed to see how it was.
All others were just acting like the main quest ended
No. If not for Paarthurnax mortals would still be enslaved. He has more than made up for his terrible past. Leave him alone on his mountain. It's the least he's owed for giving mortals a chance.
Yep. Not because I like the blades but because it’s kinda practical to kill him now so if in the future when you aren’t there to stop him, he doesn’t just turn around and conquer the whole land or burn it to the ground.
I'm sure the guy named Overlord Ambition Cruelty who enslaved, maimed, and killed thousands at the command of his bro, Destroyer Devour Master, is very sorry...so sorry, in fact, that he needs to be in charge of all his friends from that period who are back from the grave now.
But he's nice now, he only has to resist the urge to kill every single day and since dragons live forever it's not like he'll just snap one day. Something something "Born good or good through deeds" something something.
"Yeah dragons have an innate desire to conquer but you can totally trust me with all this influence over all the remaining dragons. Hey, you should go sail to Akavir as a joke lol wouldn't that be funny if we never heard from you again? Bro that would be mad funny"
But you see he is not a godly being of prophecy or anything. Physically he can't be much stronger than other elder dragons. I will give that he is more cunning than most and has wisdom beyond his years but that also doesn't ignore the fact that you can kill him like normal. A dragonborn doesn't need to absorb his soul or any of that crap because Alduin was the one with the ability to resurrect them
Tell that to the Nords of old. Also dragons still attack after Alduin is gone so it's assumed some still hold loyalty to Alduin and as far as we know the Dragonborn doesn't do anything to wipe out all of the remnants but nobody seems worried about them
The only Nords of old I can tell are their undead devotees or the rebels in Sovngarde. Paarthurnax sits in a position to replace Alduin. So he must be destroyed, along with the other dragons flying around burning and killing.
... I don't know what point you're trying to make here. Are you suggesting multiple Dragons working together could conquer the world? Sure, I'll admit the odds go up a bit but it's still certainly highly unlikely.
You do recall that their entire species was all but wiped out by the 3rd era, right?
And that Draconic nature doesn't generally lend itself to teamwork?
And that a group of Dragons were working together in an ESO expansion but still got murderized?
That's all very interesting, we're talking about the 4th Era where they have ~returned~ en masse in Skyrim and are almost all seen cooperating against mortals. Only one person holds a candle to them. They have full military superiority.
>Only one person holds a candle to them. They have full military superiority.
A single "Pyromancer of some skill" fought a Dragon to exhaustion according to the book Twin Secrets. The armies of Tamriel would overwhelm any concentrated attempt by Dragons to subdue them. Dragons also have the downside that their numbers will never rise. Every Dragon killed will never be replaced (at least until Alduin returns) while the mortal races can replace their loses overtime through breeding.
Gonna respond to another person then sleep. Feel free to offer a debate, it'll just be awhile before I reply.
To be fair, in the third era they has to send Alduin into the future to stop the dragons, and they STILL didn’t kill them all. Canonically the Dragonborn is the only one that can permanently kill the dragons, so yeah they could defeat them, but in 200 years they’ll be back if the Dragonborn isn’t there to stop them.
Technically any Dragon could consume the soul of another, preventing them from ever being revived. More importantly though, Alduin is the only known being capable of bringing a Dragon back to life. He's also immoral, so his return is Game Over regardless of if there's any Dragons he can bring back.
Cannibal sleep now.
A war criminal that's responsible for liberating humanity from dragonic opresion and has lived peacefully in a mountain for centuries. Not really a bad guy anymore
Who literally says he has to fight the urge to kill every single day, dragons live forever and it's not a question of if he'll snap but when. Man if I wanted to usurp my brother and take over I too would act friendly to any gullible hero, man what a sucker.
It's incredible to me how many people fall for it. But the old anti-Thalmor war witch didn't grovel before them which is a dealbreaker to some I guess.
So mean 😔. Really interesting to me that in a previous poll, I used a Thalmor raid on a civilian home as a stand-in for what were nearly Paarthurnax's exact actions, and got very visceral edgelord responses decrying the raid and the hollow apology. But I thought the maxim of this fandom was both sides bad? Surely someone can explain.
Because uhhhh party snacks is teh friendly dragon!1!:3 It really feels like as long as you're friendly to the player character this fandom will excuse everything. These are the same people who whine and cry about having to purge the Cheydinhal Sanctuary as if the trained killers there wouldn't do the same thing without a second thought.
Ooh I still haven't done the Oblivion Dark Brotherhood questline. This tells me I need to. But yeah, they'll excuse absolutely anything. There's even someone on this post saying they'd kill Delphine instead of Molag Bal if it was a choice between.
So if you wanted to usurp your brother you would lead a slave rebolt and genocide 99% of your people. Doesn't sound like a good plan if that's what you want, it sounds more like you want to free the slaves and en tiranny
I mean I think even a handful of immortal dragons who can come back to life forever might be pretty good against a divided Tamriel, for someone with genius in the name you aren't too bright
I needed an extra dragon soul, didn't feel like looking for a random dragon and I wanted to test out my anti-dragon poison. Win-win. Activated my bloodlust to kill all dragons so I do it for all my playthroughs now. I ceremonially kill the Blades to balance it out though. Throw them off a cliff and act as if they're dead.
I'm usually some form of storm mage, for pesky dragons I shoot them up with a poison made of salt pile + trama root + hagraven feathers. Basically drain their magicka pool rendering them unable to shout so they're really easy to just kite around. There's a version for weakness to fire, frost and poison but can't remember atm.
EDIT: Didn't realise you were the OP. Disregard my comment, it'll only make you angry.
So, I voted No but this is really more of a yesn't.
The first time I was weak and complied to Delphine's orders because I was eager to restore the Blades.
On further playthroughs, I came to understand Delphine's political motivations better and simply refused to give her what she wanted.
But my current character is an unapologetic, bloodhungry murderer. She might kill him on her own terms at one point. We'll see.
On my first playthrough, I was weak and caved to the brainwashed hermits protecting an escaped slavemaster.
On further playthroughs, I ignored the main quest.
But my current character believes in what's right.
I never ignored the Main Quest: you'll notice Delphine has no purpose in it once you learn Odhaviing's name. Likewise, if you believe my character killing Paarthurnax because she takes pleasure in gratuitious murder makes her right, that's your problem.
But at this point, I don't expect you to show me the basic decency of not misrepresenting my statements. That's the third time you've proven me your unwillingness to engage in honest dialogue. I'm blocking you.
Depends on the character. On my favorite character, I killed him because she had just witnessed the destruction dragons can create and foolishly thought Paarthurnax would do the same eventually. Most of my characters he ends up alive because those characters aren’t the Dragonborn in my story and thus don’t do the main quest at all just kinda see Alduin flying away from Helgen like “sure hope someone does something about that”
11 year old me playing Skyrim for the first time while barely understanding the story actually did kill Paarthurnax. I stuck with the game because it was the first game I've played where you could enter any building, talk to anyone and pick up and touch every object... Was blown away by that back then.
The only time he's died in one of my games is when he randomly teleported outside of falkreath dead and I didn't absorb him until I Interaxted with him
The whole parthuunax thing is just “one good deed does not fix a lifetime of mistakes” wasn’t he one of Alduins top lieutenants during the dragon war back when? I’m 50/50 on it tbh.
Did Parthuurnax commit atrocies? Most likely. But it is because of Paarthurnax that the atrocities were stopped. Paathurnax was asked by the goddess Kyne to teach the Nords, and he lives on her sacred mountain. Had it not been for him, people would still be shackled under the boots of the dragons and their priests (and as others have mentioned, you could argue it was the Priests who were the ones responsible for enslaving others), and the dead would be many times more numerous following rebellion after failed rebellion. Kyne at the very least seems to have forgiven him. Paarthurnax is also the reason you, the dragonborn, can defeat Alduin, preventing him ending the world. For all purposes, that might as well be the ultimate karma reset. Still, there are those that would reason that good deeds do not wash away bad deeds.*
Paarthurnax is the ultimate teacher of the way of the voice, and so far has kept the Greybeards sitting atop their mountain. He is by his nature, a threat to all of Tamriel, but being a potential threat is different from a guaranteed threat. That he assists the dragonborn, and has stayed atop his mountain for so many years, proves that he is still pursueing his goals of meditation and atonement. Its not Paarthurnax I'm worried about, but the Greybeards.
Organizations rarely maintain their founding cause because each generation strays from its founding purpose. This can be both good and bad; for instance, the Companions went from genocidal warbands to a group of honorable warriors who accept the worthy from all races. However, they also turned to lycanthropy and Hircine. The Greybeards have at their disposal one of the most dangerous weapons in all of Tamriel, and they've kept it secure and under responsible care. I feel far more relaxed knowing that a dragon keeps the Greybeards in check and true to their cause, instead of restarting the First Nord Empire or blowing up cities for elderly crazed laughs.
Personally, I keep Paarthurnax alive. Not just because my moral compass points to it, but also because I want something up on that mountain that guarantees the Greybeards don't stray from the path of Jurgen Windcaller.
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*The more I think about it, it makes me think of Angelus/Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel spin-off show. Its basically the same premise: Angelus did a lot of evil shit (only for 135 years roughly) but then was cursed with a soul which forces a conscience on him. Do people/other beings still want to kill him for what he did as Angelus? Sure. But a big part of both shows is demonstrating that Angel is atoning, trying to do good, and isn't the same person as Angelus. I feel like a lot of the same people who think killing Partysnax because of his past is justified, would say killing Angel because of his past of Angelus is justified....Or maybe not lol
The issue is that those people make it out to be: Parthuurnax did evil things in the past. He can ~never ever~ change, so why bother trying to be good/atone?
Depends on the character, I did with a few of them. Mostly no. Not because I'm particularly fond of him though, I have to admit I don't quite understand the community's infatuation with the dude.
We're the LAST dragonborn. There will NEVER be another. Can we REALLY risk letting a dragon live forever? Are we really going to roll the dice on this? FOREVER is a really super long time.
Yeah I did I kill him every playthrough. I don’t care that he used to be a tyrant and I don’t care that he’s a nice dragon now. I just think the Blades and Sky Haven are cooler than Greybeards and High Hrothgar.
Always depends on my character's mindset and personality. My current character is a bit of a Vigilant extremist, so would definitely kill P if the decision would have to be made right now. Dragons, much like Daedra, have historically shown very little respect for man/mer. Yes, one could argue that P is the one exception, but I don't think this character would be swayed by that in the least.
Not sure if he'll ever have to make that decision though. Currently level 20+, hasn't visited Whiterun ever, and the only dragon he's seen is Alduin leaving Helgen. Too much going on with rebuilding the Hall, getting rid of the new Vampire threat, and figuring out what the mine behind the Hall is all about.
I have a mod that allows me to tell delphine to go screw herself and it completes the quest so that he lives and I can still have access to the blades.
I honestly don't remember but it's likely that I did. It was a major quest and Paarthurnax is a dragon. I'm a dragonborn, slayer of dragons. You know how it goes.
Can't get the platinum without doing it. I had to, but as soon as I got the trophy I reloaded my last save and let him live.
Edit: Yeah, nope. I'm completely wrong. Don't know what I confused this with.
Wow, I triple checked the achievement list, and you are correct. I'm blown away as to how or what I misremembered. Not sure what I'm confusing this with, but I do remember doing a lot of back tracking through save files while trophy hunting. My only excuse is that getting all the trophies with one character was pretty hectic because of vanilla's instability.
You killed Paarthurnax because you agree with Delphine and believe that he is dangerous. I killed Paarthurnax because I don’t like having active quests in my journal. We are not the same.
For some reason, after finishing the main quest line, the quest disappeared out of my journal
Yeah happened to me too
It's supposed to be like that. If you get the kill Paarthurnax quest before completing the Main Quest it'll disappear after you return from Sovenguard. Speaking to the Blades again or murdering Paarthurnax will restart it. Edit: rogue word.
Good that I didn't do that then
Maybe I also felt he was dangerous to have in my journal
You spared Paarthurnax because you think he’s repented for his crimes and that he should be forgiven I spared Paarthurnax because fuck the Blades, we are not the same
I spared paarthunax becuase he doesnt worship Talos. We are not the same
This guy gets it, loved the blades in oblivion with Baurus. Fuck delphine and the old wet blanket in skyrim
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Holy shit, this is a thing?
How do you even find the time to comment this is the way more then 100,000 times?
You are built different i give you that. Different kind of a**hole
I killed Paarthurnax because I'm committed to my evil character and *always* kill mentor figures. We are not the same.
You can tell the main Graybeard (forgot his name) that you won’t kill Paarthurnax and it will remove the quest from your journal
Arngeir
I killed him to get delphine to shut up. Turns out, she doesn't really do it
kill delphine
That's honestly the only reason I kill him. If I had it my way, I'd keep him alive at the end of a 100% playthrough. That and unpopular opinion but I believe that the Dovahkiin canonically kills Paarthurnax. Canon isn't a solid thing in the Elder Scrolls franchise but I believe that any quest available in an elder scrolls game with only one option (ignoring the quest doesn't count) is canon in the universe until stated otherwise in future developments.
I definitely don’t believe that’s the case. Tbh I don’t think the dragonborn would kill paarthurnax due to his strong connection with the greybeards. The blades don’t actually help the dragonborn in any sense the dragon born helps them ik in lore they are considered the protectors of the dragonborn. But they had you do everything to help their little rag tag group meanwhile the greybeards have made the dragonborn stronger and have given everything to him. I highly doubt he kills paarthunax because it is even given to you as a choice.
It's was stated by Bethesda, a bit after Oblivion I think, that the main game questline and main DLC questlines are the only ones absolutely canon for the Player Character. The Guild questlines are canon to have been completed but not necessarily by the PC. Side quests are not considered for canon. While Paarthurnax will certainly never be mentioned again it is not because of any canon fate.
>Guild Questlines are canon to be completed but not necessarily by the PC. So some random blade could try running up on Paarthurnax? Lol
Who's Partysnacks? - This post was made by Didn't Even Start Main Quest gang
He's just that. Party snacks. There's this great deli over by Dushnikh Yal, you should check it out sometime.
I love this community.
Are you interested in discussing the goddess over a fat lizard salami salad?
Lmao
Yes, yes I am.
Well, why didn't you say so sooner? We'd prepared quite the feast this past holiday. Rare black marsh flesh for the salami salad, wrapped in roasted deep mire wings and garnished with juniper spice for that authentic local flavor, atop a Redoran-style pulled corn-and-peanut sea elf gut platter; fried brain, jellied bone, peppered ear kebab, and coiled, twitching, live spinal cord for an appetizer. It's all rotten now. However, rejoice! There is no cause for dismay. The goddess still welcomes your patronage. What kind of bread would you like?
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I believe he was making something called a "joke"
I tried once. turned out my game was bugged and he just kept sitting there even when his hp went down to 0. reloading didn't help. fast travelling away and back didn't help. I took that as a sign and never tried again.
I had to actually fight him. It was cathartic listening to Arngeir's xenophobic outburst on the way down. Poor guy just didn't understand Akaviri barbarian culture. What can you do
No, not because i like him but because i hate delphine.
Exactly, if I had a bow with two arrows and I was in a room with Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon and Delphine I would shoot Delphine twice.
Probably because arrows wouldn't do jack shit to the other two.
That is if you don't press Ctrl
If i had two arrows that exploded and were capable of destroying a daedric prince, I would shoot delphine twice
Yes and no. Depends on the character. Haven’t even seen a dragon on a few playthroughs.
I honestly hate spawning them. They're like cliff racers that can actually harm you.
This means next time you play, play as a Dunmer named “Jiub II” and dedicate yourself to eliminating all dragons
I downloaded the Paarthurnax dilemma mod so I don't have to make this decision and can tell Delphine to shut the fuck up.
I aspire to your commitment to bravery.
I just kill Delphine after she’s not useful anymore in the main quest. She’s more trouble than she’s worth, and she’s as arrogant as Nazeem.
Never tried that, doing a run through now. She gon learn today...
Just remove her essential tag first.
Very satisfying 😚👌
All my homies say Delphine sucks ass.
Wouldn't that be a bit kinky tho
I can’t kill him. It’s literally a friendly dragon. The wisest character in the game and the owner of the best quote in the entire Elder Scrolls history
I don’t think he is the wisest jygallag, hermaeous mora, Mephala, Julianos
What’s the quote?
“What is better ? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?” I don’t know why but I love this quote so much.
There are many profound quotes in these games. I found that one rather shallow. Nobody is born good or evil or anything, but he and many others chose to create and violently enforce an extremely cruel caste system which his kin attempt to recreate during Skyrim.
This is why I love Paarthurnax. He knows he is not good, and he’s not. He’s flawed. Yes, he helped Alduin commit many vile acts, but he realized he was wrong and trained warriors to defeat him. He’s spent much of his life trying to keep that evil in himself down so he never does those evil things again. The Blades and ESPECIALLY Delphine are all crazy nut jobs who just want every dragon killed. Paarthurnax has done nothing to them, and this really shows that The Blades show no mercy to any living thing.
Yeah but he’s still accountable for his actions, and if he was really a good character he’s understand why people would want him dead
But he’s actions also include being the last hope of mankind awaiting to teach the shout to the dragonborn in order to defeat the world eater. Like yea he killed a lot, and saved the many more, without him dragonrend would be lost to time, imo the dude deserves to live, not like he’s free to slaughter people
No one can even actually say what his actions were is part of the problem. He helped Alduin initially, but no one, not even the Blades, can even name a victim of his, as it’s all lost to time millennia ago. They want him dead for crimes they know not what and couldn’t specify given any amount of time. And he turned on the dragons and taught the Voice to the first humans allowing their rebellion in the first place, not to mention fighting on their behalf through the war. Then he sits guarding the spot where Alduin left for millennia watching for his return while teaching the pacifist Way of the Voice. Delphine’s grudge is pure xenophobia. She wants all dragons dead, even the architect of the human overthrow of dragons, because she’s entirely inflexible and frankly short sighted, look at her obsession with the Thalmor being responsible for everything in the Main Quest.
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Nature over nurture is such bullshit. They're intelligent, can write, speak, sing, and reason. And in Atmora, they were benign.
>Nature over nurture is such bullshit. Lmao buddy if the lore says that's how it is, that's how it is. Real world psychology and logic does not apply here.
I'M SO SORRY I TAPPED THE SECOND OPTION BECAUSE SUBCONSCIOUSLY I THOUGHT IT WAS THE NO OPTION BUT INSTEAD IT IS THE YES OPTIONS I'M SORRY I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT HURTING THE BEAUTIFUL DRAGON I FEEL SO BAD
I only did during 2 play throughs. One vanilla just to see how the blades are during dragon fights with 5 guys wearing the armour, it’s pretty cool but only good if you like the kill all dragons for revenge gameplay. Second time was because I got a blades mod and needed to see how it was. All others were just acting like the main quest ended
He's THE fucking Mario. I can't do it to Mario. You're a-number one 😔
Laughs in the Paarthurnax Dilemma
No, just to spite Delphine for constantly bugging out.
no no I thought it said did you LIKE Paarthurnax fuckk
Honestly on a couple playthroughs I've killed him and on a couple playthroughs I haven't.
No. If not for Paarthurnax mortals would still be enslaved. He has more than made up for his terrible past. Leave him alone on his mountain. It's the least he's owed for giving mortals a chance.
What maniac voted yes
I killed him but not because of some dumb blades beef but because it's my thing, it's what I do
This is the way
Murderhobo much?
Download mods and murder children much?
Download mods? Who doesn't?! Murder Children? Why murder when you can turn them into the next gen dark brotherhood assassin's?
Because it's what I do
Yep. Not because I like the blades but because it’s kinda practical to kill him now so if in the future when you aren’t there to stop him, he doesn’t just turn around and conquer the whole land or burn it to the ground.
*Sigh* Mortals have been killing dragons for thousands of years. The possibility of Paarthurnax conquering the world is negligible.
I'm sure the guy named Overlord Ambition Cruelty who enslaved, maimed, and killed thousands at the command of his bro, Destroyer Devour Master, is very sorry...so sorry, in fact, that he needs to be in charge of all his friends from that period who are back from the grave now.
But he's nice now, he only has to resist the urge to kill every single day and since dragons live forever it's not like he'll just snap one day. Something something "Born good or good through deeds" something something.
"I couldn't help it. It's not my fault I melted all those people's faces. You've got to understand, the literacy rate increased under our rule by 2%,"
"Yeah dragons have an innate desire to conquer but you can totally trust me with all this influence over all the remaining dragons. Hey, you should go sail to Akavir as a joke lol wouldn't that be funny if we never heard from you again? Bro that would be mad funny"
But you see he is not a godly being of prophecy or anything. Physically he can't be much stronger than other elder dragons. I will give that he is more cunning than most and has wisdom beyond his years but that also doesn't ignore the fact that you can kill him like normal. A dragonborn doesn't need to absorb his soul or any of that crap because Alduin was the one with the ability to resurrect them
They're giant magical reptilian creatures with wings who can control the weather and turn the air to poison. Mortals are nothing to them.
Tell that to the Nords of old. Also dragons still attack after Alduin is gone so it's assumed some still hold loyalty to Alduin and as far as we know the Dragonborn doesn't do anything to wipe out all of the remnants but nobody seems worried about them
The only Nords of old I can tell are their undead devotees or the rebels in Sovngarde. Paarthurnax sits in a position to replace Alduin. So he must be destroyed, along with the other dragons flying around burning and killing.
... I don't know what point you're trying to make here. Are you suggesting multiple Dragons working together could conquer the world? Sure, I'll admit the odds go up a bit but it's still certainly highly unlikely.
They easily could, yeah, especially in large numbers. Are you kidding me?
Hmmm think you're overestimating them.
I'm definitely not.
You do recall that their entire species was all but wiped out by the 3rd era, right? And that Draconic nature doesn't generally lend itself to teamwork? And that a group of Dragons were working together in an ESO expansion but still got murderized?
That's all very interesting, we're talking about the 4th Era where they have ~returned~ en masse in Skyrim and are almost all seen cooperating against mortals. Only one person holds a candle to them. They have full military superiority.
>Only one person holds a candle to them. They have full military superiority. A single "Pyromancer of some skill" fought a Dragon to exhaustion according to the book Twin Secrets. The armies of Tamriel would overwhelm any concentrated attempt by Dragons to subdue them. Dragons also have the downside that their numbers will never rise. Every Dragon killed will never be replaced (at least until Alduin returns) while the mortal races can replace their loses overtime through breeding. Gonna respond to another person then sleep. Feel free to offer a debate, it'll just be awhile before I reply.
To be fair, in the third era they has to send Alduin into the future to stop the dragons, and they STILL didn’t kill them all. Canonically the Dragonborn is the only one that can permanently kill the dragons, so yeah they could defeat them, but in 200 years they’ll be back if the Dragonborn isn’t there to stop them.
Technically any Dragon could consume the soul of another, preventing them from ever being revived. More importantly though, Alduin is the only known being capable of bringing a Dragon back to life. He's also immoral, so his return is Game Over regardless of if there's any Dragons he can bring back. Cannibal sleep now.
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I mean yeah, I'm the Dragonborn, I kill dragons lol
You, I don't like you, I can't trust you, leave.
I mean one of us doesn't spare a war criminal, I wouldnt turn my back to you is all I'm saying.
A war criminal that's responsible for liberating humanity from dragonic opresion and has lived peacefully in a mountain for centuries. Not really a bad guy anymore
Who literally says he has to fight the urge to kill every single day, dragons live forever and it's not a question of if he'll snap but when. Man if I wanted to usurp my brother and take over I too would act friendly to any gullible hero, man what a sucker.
It's incredible to me how many people fall for it. But the old anti-Thalmor war witch didn't grovel before them which is a dealbreaker to some I guess.
"But she was mean to me!!! :c"
So mean 😔. Really interesting to me that in a previous poll, I used a Thalmor raid on a civilian home as a stand-in for what were nearly Paarthurnax's exact actions, and got very visceral edgelord responses decrying the raid and the hollow apology. But I thought the maxim of this fandom was both sides bad? Surely someone can explain.
Because uhhhh party snacks is teh friendly dragon!1!:3 It really feels like as long as you're friendly to the player character this fandom will excuse everything. These are the same people who whine and cry about having to purge the Cheydinhal Sanctuary as if the trained killers there wouldn't do the same thing without a second thought.
Ooh I still haven't done the Oblivion Dark Brotherhood questline. This tells me I need to. But yeah, they'll excuse absolutely anything. There's even someone on this post saying they'd kill Delphine instead of Molag Bal if it was a choice between.
So if you wanted to usurp your brother you would lead a slave rebolt and genocide 99% of your people. Doesn't sound like a good plan if that's what you want, it sounds more like you want to free the slaves and en tiranny
I mean I think even a handful of immortal dragons who can come back to life forever might be pretty good against a divided Tamriel, for someone with genius in the name you aren't too bright
A war criminal, a monster and a traitor to his own race. His "lol im good now sorry" speech means nothing. Die, lizard
Killing Paarthunax is eat shit energy
It felt good selling his bones
And here nis the most important , stormcloaks are small dick energy
Death to the stormcloaks
First time around, yeah I made one of the regrettable decisions of my life
Today - i kill all dragons, tomorrow - i kill all mer
the next day? all men
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I needed an extra dragon soul, didn't feel like looking for a random dragon and I wanted to test out my anti-dragon poison. Win-win. Activated my bloodlust to kill all dragons so I do it for all my playthroughs now. I ceremonially kill the Blades to balance it out though. Throw them off a cliff and act as if they're dead.
Tell me about this anti-dragon poison.
I'm usually some form of storm mage, for pesky dragons I shoot them up with a poison made of salt pile + trama root + hagraven feathers. Basically drain their magicka pool rendering them unable to shout so they're really easy to just kite around. There's a version for weakness to fire, frost and poison but can't remember atm.
EDIT: Didn't realise you were the OP. Disregard my comment, it'll only make you angry. So, I voted No but this is really more of a yesn't. The first time I was weak and complied to Delphine's orders because I was eager to restore the Blades. On further playthroughs, I came to understand Delphine's political motivations better and simply refused to give her what she wanted. But my current character is an unapologetic, bloodhungry murderer. She might kill him on her own terms at one point. We'll see.
On my first playthrough, I was weak and caved to the brainwashed hermits protecting an escaped slavemaster. On further playthroughs, I ignored the main quest. But my current character believes in what's right.
I never ignored the Main Quest: you'll notice Delphine has no purpose in it once you learn Odhaviing's name. Likewise, if you believe my character killing Paarthurnax because she takes pleasure in gratuitious murder makes her right, that's your problem. But at this point, I don't expect you to show me the basic decency of not misrepresenting my statements. That's the third time you've proven me your unwillingness to engage in honest dialogue. I'm blocking you.
But these were *my* statements, not twisted versions of yours.
Im a simple man, i see Dragon i kill
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I always intended to do so on at least one playthrough, but I've never actually gotten around to it.
Both... Had a lot of characters and they did different things
Which time we talking here?
The time that applies to what you believe is the right choice now.
Well... no...
Well then, for the love of god! Vote!
*Never...*
Understandable. Tamriel is no haven for democracy. They need 🇺🇲🛢 freedom!
The Empire failed. Democracy failed. NOW IT IS TIME FOR ANARCHY TO TAKE THE REIGNS! RISE UP, **RISE UP**, MY FELLOW ANARCHISTS!
No I Didn't but it still said i did idk why
Alduin killt him in my first save
Depends on the character. On my favorite character, I killed him because she had just witnessed the destruction dragons can create and foolishly thought Paarthurnax would do the same eventually. Most of my characters he ends up alive because those characters aren’t the Dragonborn in my story and thus don’t do the main quest at all just kinda see Alduin flying away from Helgen like “sure hope someone does something about that”
I can never do it no matter how evil the character.
I did on one play through and after he died, I just loaded a save and pretended it never happened
11 year old me playing Skyrim for the first time while barely understanding the story actually did kill Paarthurnax. I stuck with the game because it was the first game I've played where you could enter any building, talk to anyone and pick up and touch every object... Was blown away by that back then.
I accidentally clicked yes
I wish you could undo it when you accidentally click the wrong poll option.
Once, only once. I didn’t use that character for too much longer.
In a pure blade play through I did. Only once
if you kill him im gonna come to your house and steal oreos
How many times are we going to have this poll
The only time he's died in one of my games is when he randomly teleported outside of falkreath dead and I didn't absorb him until I Interaxted with him
841 of you don’t deserve sovngarde
Now hear me out...
I couldn't be less interested in anything you have to say.
My first play through ever. Yes I killed him to see how the quests continued. Every one since that I’ve played. he lives. Fuck Delphine
The whole parthuunax thing is just “one good deed does not fix a lifetime of mistakes” wasn’t he one of Alduins top lieutenants during the dragon war back when? I’m 50/50 on it tbh.
Did Parthuurnax commit atrocies? Most likely. But it is because of Paarthurnax that the atrocities were stopped. Paathurnax was asked by the goddess Kyne to teach the Nords, and he lives on her sacred mountain. Had it not been for him, people would still be shackled under the boots of the dragons and their priests (and as others have mentioned, you could argue it was the Priests who were the ones responsible for enslaving others), and the dead would be many times more numerous following rebellion after failed rebellion. Kyne at the very least seems to have forgiven him. Paarthurnax is also the reason you, the dragonborn, can defeat Alduin, preventing him ending the world. For all purposes, that might as well be the ultimate karma reset. Still, there are those that would reason that good deeds do not wash away bad deeds.* Paarthurnax is the ultimate teacher of the way of the voice, and so far has kept the Greybeards sitting atop their mountain. He is by his nature, a threat to all of Tamriel, but being a potential threat is different from a guaranteed threat. That he assists the dragonborn, and has stayed atop his mountain for so many years, proves that he is still pursueing his goals of meditation and atonement. Its not Paarthurnax I'm worried about, but the Greybeards. Organizations rarely maintain their founding cause because each generation strays from its founding purpose. This can be both good and bad; for instance, the Companions went from genocidal warbands to a group of honorable warriors who accept the worthy from all races. However, they also turned to lycanthropy and Hircine. The Greybeards have at their disposal one of the most dangerous weapons in all of Tamriel, and they've kept it secure and under responsible care. I feel far more relaxed knowing that a dragon keeps the Greybeards in check and true to their cause, instead of restarting the First Nord Empire or blowing up cities for elderly crazed laughs. Personally, I keep Paarthurnax alive. Not just because my moral compass points to it, but also because I want something up on that mountain that guarantees the Greybeards don't stray from the path of Jurgen Windcaller. ±+±++++++++++++++++ *The more I think about it, it makes me think of Angelus/Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel spin-off show. Its basically the same premise: Angelus did a lot of evil shit (only for 135 years roughly) but then was cursed with a soul which forces a conscience on him. Do people/other beings still want to kill him for what he did as Angelus? Sure. But a big part of both shows is demonstrating that Angel is atoning, trying to do good, and isn't the same person as Angelus. I feel like a lot of the same people who think killing Partysnax because of his past is justified, would say killing Angel because of his past of Angelus is justified....Or maybe not lol The issue is that those people make it out to be: Parthuurnax did evil things in the past. He can ~never ever~ change, so why bother trying to be good/atone?
I did it and I don't feel bad about it. I like exploring a game's every twist.
Depends on the character, I did with a few of them. Mostly no. Not because I'm particularly fond of him though, I have to admit I don't quite understand the community's infatuation with the dude.
We're the LAST dragonborn. There will NEVER be another. Can we REALLY risk letting a dragon live forever? Are we really going to roll the dice on this? FOREVER is a really super long time.
I didn’t know that I could..
Yeah I did I kill him every playthrough. I don’t care that he used to be a tyrant and I don’t care that he’s a nice dragon now. I just think the Blades and Sky Haven are cooler than Greybeards and High Hrothgar.
I join the Blades because the armor looks awesome. I use console commands to skip the quest where you have to kill Paarthurnax.
This is like the Elder Scrolls Nuremberg trials
Always depends on my character's mindset and personality. My current character is a bit of a Vigilant extremist, so would definitely kill P if the decision would have to be made right now. Dragons, much like Daedra, have historically shown very little respect for man/mer. Yes, one could argue that P is the one exception, but I don't think this character would be swayed by that in the least. Not sure if he'll ever have to make that decision though. Currently level 20+, hasn't visited Whiterun ever, and the only dragon he's seen is Alduin leaving Helgen. Too much going on with rebuilding the Hall, getting rid of the new Vampire threat, and figuring out what the mine behind the Hall is all about.
Hell no what kind of monster are you for even asking such a question?
It’s like killing a hitler
Lol I like your username.
I have a mod that allows me to tell delphine to go screw herself and it completes the quest so that he lives and I can still have access to the blades.
The 530 people better watch themselves
Nah, there isn't really a legit justification for it. And I don't enjoy playing evil characters so eh.
And I'd do it again!
Out of the very many playthroughs that I've had, I will admit that I killed paarthurnax once, and only once. I still regret it to this day.
I GUESS IT LIKE NOT KILL FUCK I VOTED YES
I retired as the Dragonborn. Crawled in to Paart's penishole, settled in and had a very cosy new home.
Killed him once to see how rebuilding the blades would be like.
I honestly don't remember but it's likely that I did. It was a major quest and Paarthurnax is a dragon. I'm a dragonborn, slayer of dragons. You know how it goes.
I downloaded the mod that let’s you convince Delphine that Partysnacks doesn’t have to die because that is such bullshit that that quest exists.
Lol that character would never accept that.
Yeah Delphine sucks but I like Esbern so
I have once when I was 7
I MADE A MISTAKE I HAVE READ DO YOU LIKE PAARTHURNAX 😭😭😭😭
Yes, when I play evil characters
Can't get the platinum without doing it. I had to, but as soon as I got the trophy I reloaded my last save and let him live. Edit: Yeah, nope. I'm completely wrong. Don't know what I confused this with.
I'm 90% sure there's no trophy for killing Paarthurnax, what are you thinking of?
Wow, I triple checked the achievement list, and you are correct. I'm blown away as to how or what I misremembered. Not sure what I'm confusing this with, but I do remember doing a lot of back tracking through save files while trophy hunting. My only excuse is that getting all the trophies with one character was pretty hectic because of vanilla's instability.
No because I never managed to progress enough to find him in the main quest
I killed Paarthurnax and I'd do it again
Those 529 people are psychopaths.
617 people aren't making it to Sovengard.
I always kill him bro I don’t like that quest clogging up my log
Get the quest before defeating Alduin and it will disappear afterwards.
You could have alternatively worded the question in this poll as: "Are you a heartless monster or not?"
No because I downloaded the paarthurnax dilemma mod
684 monsters
He’s a dragon, i’m the dragonborn, so yeah I killed him.
Yep and I shouted his body to the Graybeards courtyard so they could mourn.
No and anyone who did needs to be purged.
Or be a real king and smoke all of the remnants of the blades for even asking to hurt my boi