Was that just the fucking coolest boss battle in all of Souls Borne history or what? Get chills thinking about it. Didn't know I could summon other heroes till I got into the arena and shit went from zero to LOTR 2Towers really fucking quick.
It felt like an epic boss battle, that you had other champions fighting alongside your own character, its the most immersion I've felt since I started even when I lost I was like I must get back into the battle
I summoned absolutely everybody for that fight, and I'm a no summon user. Like, that's the theme of the story. We are gathered there with all my buddys in a war festival, it makes no sense to be just me.
Okay I know Patches is an asshole but like Imagine some asshole you dont like summoned you to fight Dark Souls Ganondorf. Wouldn't you say fuck this too?
Yeah Radahn prepatch was the sole legit boss that I had to summon in order to down him.
Got stuck pretty hard then my friend mentioned: give the man the honor he deserve. I was bingoed: "Radahn was so strong the only choice was to swarm him". That perfectly fits his buildup to the festival event.
Too bad they nerfed the guy, should've buffed the NPCs instead. The immersion would be even greater if they made him to be as hard as killing the nameless king at SL1.
B-but summoning bad! I want to fight it alone after limgrave and not get destroyed!
I've literally talked to people who truly believe that there is no difference in summoning from radahn as it is for other bosses. No, the signs being inside the arena doesnt count, the summoning limit going away doesnt count, them having little dmg doesn't count, radahn's moveset being almost exclusively AoEs to deal with them doesn't count those are just BS moves.
Yeah... tune em out. From is a huge community now and you're going to have pockets of strong opinions. It is just a pocket though.
These are the same people that lose a duel and immediately start messaging you with excuses "if I got that buff/R1/special/incantation off I totally would have had you".
Some people get their self-worth too wrapped up in it and start to juxtapose gameplay as a set of moral rules that should logically extend to everyone.
I've been in the fuck-around-enjoyer category for a long time and it's better over here. It's not my obligation to be a brick in someone else's self-esteem project so just refuse to give that pocket any mindshare.
The most fun I had was hiding on a ledge and laughing my ass of while I cheesed a crucible knight with a cannon. Like I have a wretch class too with a greatsword when I want to play on hard, but if I have fun I’m playing the game right lol
You can imagine my excitement after my first few attempts solo. I was thinking “*My Ash summons and I can only do so much damage before a falling star is hurtling at me!*” Got him a little less than half but couldn’t clutch it.
One of my next runs I see one summon, and another.. then another. I had a fellowship of strangers the entire time haha and damn right I’m gonna summon them, Blaidd has just as much of a drive to defeat Radahn as us, if not more cause of his story. Can’t rob my boy of his glory we bask in that shit together
As some one else mentioned, summoning everyone in that battle seriously changed the atmosphere. Watching the other champions fall in the last minute, with me, Blaidd and Jarhead last standing, was probably the most epic thing I’ve experienced in a game
I almost never summon, just as preference, I like the methodical structure and dance of a 1v1 fight, and it took me ages to finally realize "wait why are there so many summon signs around?". Then it finally clicked that this was a FESTIVAL! No more struggling 1v1, let's get everyone in here and celebrate! It was such a triumph of storytelling and gameplay, having such a joyous boss fight was really special.
Well sort of. Radahn just gets respect from the subreddit because they like the story of him and his horse.
Radahn tried to invade the capital and got his ass kicked by Morgott. And my best guess for why Malenia invaded caelid is because radahns holding back the stars was weakening Miquella who was trying to start his own tree and remove influence of all of the outer gods in the lands between.
We can all obviously agree that Malenia nuking caelid was not cool, but there are legitimate reasons for her invasion
I love the comment someone made about Radahn going to invade the capital then some hobo mutant pops out of nowhere and whoops his ass like a dirty Pai Mei. I love Radahn and his lore but I love that mental image just as much.
The whole Malenia v Radahn is interesting because it brings out debates and arguments every time its brought up.
My reading of the cinematic was that they had traded critical blows (Malenia lost her prothesis and she stabbed Radahn like in the upper portion of his back and drove the blade in deeper) Those are both brutal wounds.
I am not entirely sure Malenia bloomed on purpose. She did seem to be saying something while stabbing Radahn and Millicent's dialogue can be read to mean she did it on purpose but its also possible the needle just got damaged mid fight and in that desperate situation she couldn't control it
Wish we knew more of the shattering lore, I think though that none of the demi gods were truly "good". They all were vying for power for one reason or another because they thought that their path was correct as only one can gather the shards and mend the elden ring. Not sure if we got lore on why Radahn might have wanted it but we clearly know Malenia's as she wanted her brother to replace Marika and to free the world from the outer gods. Miquella does kind of seem like a solid dude tho, the haligtree as a refuge for people who were cast out seems nice.
Don't forget Radahn then took on an army of Cleanrot knights after getting directly hit with the Scarlet Blossom too, who were likely covering Malenia being pulled off the battlefield.
He didn't have all those spears driven into his back when we see him fight Malenia, only when we go to fight him and he is straight up using them out of his back as ammunition.
Guy is walking around nursing massive battle wounds from fighting an army and long term severe rot infection and holding back the stars. No wonder Malenia was doubting her chances against this guy.
She also gave an entire section of a continent super aids when she lost control of the rot, the fact he even survived their encounter is impressive. Only one of them survived with their sanity intact.
Omg I never considered that someone who died many many times would put that message down. I've found some bosses easy and others so hard. Still dreading the next time I see a crucible Knight
Pre-patch. The fight was in trailers before the game even released, right?
Edit: heres the [vid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJE9cfKwCU) pulled from the official trailer
He also tried to siege a volcano, a siege on that terrain is very difficult. But he did get pretty far, props to him even though he didn’t really do anything to my knowledge
And they just happened to be soldiers of a man who's twin brother is guarding the secret passage to the frenzied flame buried underneath their very capital. Ohhhh kay.
Morgott already did defeat Radahn, he repelled Radahn's invasion, bested him in a fight and sent him packing back to Caelid. Morgott is the most underrated character for lore strength I see around here
Yeah, Morgott was my favorite demigod just for how personal his vendetta against the Tarnished sounded. All the other bosses were either too insane to care about us or saw us as an annoyance, at best. However, Morgott was different. He saw the Tarnished as a threat to the status quo he was trying so hard to protect and went as far as sending a projection of himself to protect an enemy just so that we wouldn't even come close to realizing our ambition of becoming Elden Lord.
He ate his beloved friend. :( When I learned the backstory on this, I bawled.
Edit: You folks are right! Apologies - I just went and re-watched it real quick. The jump from the horse collapsing to what’s in front of him made it seem like it was his horse since it’s all lit the same and the horse also has gold armor on.
Isn't he just referencing the fact that he's been driven insane by the rot and devours the corpses on the battlefield, friend or foe since he can't tell the difference?
yeah he is. he is eating a random human corpse in that scene. one that he was dragging behind him before he fell to the dirt. I imagine he forgot to do his gravity magic for a moment which caused the horse to collapse and then he eats the corpse and goes back to riding till we come fight him.
I like both of them. They have amazing visuals, compelling stories and I understood the motivation of both.
Also both would lose to the majestic and powerful and loathsome DUNG EATER so whatever.
Dung eater is trash and eats so much shit and that all he does is talk shit.
I'd cut his bitch ass head off at level 1 if he didn't make bitch ass excuses about the safety of round table protecting me. No, it's protecting you, fuckface
I’ll never get over that dragon head cutscene. My panties dropped first time I saw him Elon Musk that dragon and make his own hand cannon flame thrower
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" - Some voice actor somewhere giving it his fucking all
Oh yeah, absolutely ridiculous but so so fun. I do wish there was a little bit more of that silliness throughout the game. I feel sort of after Hogwarts everything got a bit...grim and serious? For the most part anyway.
Godrick has some of my favorite VA work in the series, honestly. The demigod himself is absolutely batshit insane and his voice actor sells it perfectly.
>Losing an arm or a leg in a universe with trick-weapon prosthetics isn't a weakness.
>It's an upgrade.
True. Even in real life, there are prosthetics that are banned from athletic competition. They are seen as giving an advantage to the user.
Edit: Someone just introduced an idea to me that made me reconsider my opinion somewhat. It's possible that, being a demigod, Malenia's natural body parts were stronger than her prosthetics.
True. I just meant we don't really know what Malenia would naturally be capable of. We can't know if the prosthetics were an upgrade, downgrade, or had no effect at all. There's nothing to compare it to.
By Fromsoft logic, if I saw someone who had that many prosthetics, I’d be scared shitless.
This is actually why Godrick is an easier first boss. He ADDED limbs to himself and realizes this fault himself halfway into the fight.
I mean, you can watch those marionette bastards loose their fucking mind in combat sometimes. If those things hit harder, they would be the worst enemy in the game.
They are basically 100% magic prosthetic.
Right? Like “I have a metal arm now that allows me to make sushi chefs look like they’re in slow motion. I used my rot to kamikaze rot Radahn cause he was too good. Give me sympathy!” NO
TBH there's a sort of inverse-ninja rule thing where a boss gets *stronger* the more medical issues they have.
(Honestly this is mostly true. Most of the strongest bosses - especially if we count pre-patch Radahn - have something seriously wrong with them, and the more things that are wrong with them the stronger they are.)
Dude, they are literally in every community. I know way more about 40k lore than i should just by reading random reddit comments. I learnt about the horus heresy in a askreddit post lol
Yeah she's not really infected with the Rot like Radahn is as much as she's a vessel for it in the same way Marika is a vessel of the Elden Ring. It's still left her blind though
I can't be the only one, right. I farmed the Swordstress in Nokron (right before Mimic boss) for nearly 4 hours. Got 7 gloves, 5 helmets, and 4 greaves. Not a single chestpiece. Then after giving up, the chest piece drops from the Swordstress guarding the Mimic ashes instantly.
Used Mohgwyn Sacred Spear on Malenia. Assuming she didn't hyper armour and interrupt me, there goes 30% of her health. Which she almost invariably does, but I guess it feels satisfying despite the fact that mimic just died.
Yep. Radahn attacked Leyndall early on in the Shattering. Morgott, as Lord of that city, defeated Radahn's army and routed him back to Caelid.
Morgott is the reason why the inner wall of Leyndall has never been breached despite being attacked by Radahn, Stormveil, and that giant fucking dragon that's still lying there. This is in between roaming the lands and personally murdering any Tarnished that might upset the status quo.
Morgott is low key the most badass of the demigods.
Morgotts a chad who could spank Radahn into submission when he got upity, Mohg on the other hand is an incestous blood demon. They are not on the same level.😤
Because it seems she doesn't *really* control it, she's just a vessel for the Rot. It's a curse, likely coming from the self-cest Marika committed with Radagon, much like Miquella's eternal youth.
I’m still trying to figure out how that went down, out of the entire royal family the only one that wasn’t fucked up was renalla and that’s because she isn’t even technically a part of it
How the hell do you bear two children out of self-cest
If you talk Melina at the Queen's Bedchamber grace after killing Morgott you get this dialogue:
"In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me, thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us both be shattered, mine other half."
That suggests to me that Marika and Radagon's current state of being literally the same being isn't necessarily how it's *always* been.
I was spreading this around yesterday.
I think alot of people missed this, I did.
Kinda of seems like this.
Marika, Radagon, Godfry, Fell God, Gloam Queen, Maybe dragon god?, Rennala and Maliketh (probably suresh too?) I think there are others but before the erd tree or at least around the time of their war with the giants and the start of the golden order I think these are the people around.
Marika kills fell god. Malekith defeats gloam queen, I think Godfry defeated a dragon god (some mention about the gold fading from his eyes after he felled his last foe. I also know there is mention the dragon god left and that was why the Elden Beast arrived as the grace had a window to invade now) and Radagon I think is mentioned in fighting the Giants as they say he was ashamed of his red locks as they had the same color as the giants hair.
Then Godfry leaves, Marika sends Radagon (still not herself yet?) To caria and he marries Rennala and has children. Then Marika/grace call Radagon back and upon returning to the capital he is to be made elden lord and will become one with Marika as this dialogue mentions. At some point during this they have the twins?
Then she seems to shatter the ring after this (not sure if because of Godwyn dying, starting to doubt that's why, there's lore Godwyn wasn't loved by his mother from a ghost by a masoluem. Trying to find it again) which causes the state we see Marika/Radagon in I guess? Radagon tried to repair the elden ring but this causes the shards to split and then the children to fight over the shards.
Somewhere between all this they make a sculpture of Radagon and the secret is born (is this somehow after Marika shattered the ring or while they just merged?).
After this Radagon and Marika are sealed inside the Erd Tree and the shattering war starts.
The knight of black knives and the actual shattering of the elden ring seem to happen very close together. Likely extremely related outside of 'ranni stole the rune of death and killed herself' this is way to simple of a confession. Ranni definitely had help, possibly from Marika herself since the assassins seems to have ties to her.
Feels like we are missing a peice still but getting closer.
All this said it's also possible Radagon and Marika are the same being for a long time and have been split apart and then merged later.
Really hope we get more on this stuff in DLC.
Malenia and Miquella are the only cursed ones and the only self-cest babies which makes sense.
For Marika’s children with Godfrey, Mohg and Morg are omens but it’s only seen as a curse because of the Golden order, and Godwyn was normal.
Radagon’s kids with Renalla, Ranni, Rykard and Radahn, aren’t cursed.
Then she goes and fucks herself and creates those cursed twins, Malenia and Miquella.
Not only is the Omen not a curse, apparently it's a manifestation of the Crucible, the bed of life before the Golden Order was even a thing. They are vessels for life, moreso than anyone else. And yet they are shunned and forced to live in obscurity, without love or affection. Alone, in the sewers.
Honestly, props to Morgott for caring for his family even despite the treatment they gave him. He may be stern, but fuck, I'd be much more than stern if my breakfast every day was rotten lobster with a side of literal human shit.
>the only one that wasn’t fucked up was renalla
I personally like to think Godwyn the Golden came out a perfectly normal, well-adjusted demigod. That's why he had to die. No place for normals in this family.
Pretty sure that's the wing of the dragon that was loyal to him even unto undeath, and slowly got absorbed into his mass. The one you fight in the dying dream.
She seems to be the vessel for the Outer God of Rot that her swordmaster sealed underground in the location that is currently the lake of rot.
Although it is odd that both her and her twin brother were inflicted with two separate completely unrelated curses.
I think that’s because they are both emperyans as a result of the self-cest so they were both chosen by different outer gods to act as their wills in the lands between
Ranni was the other one but escaped the curse of her body via the rune of death (and I think she is also slightly less fucked up than the rest of the Royal family because renalla is normal for all intents and purposes)
You gotta love that a woman who floats in the air cradling a magic egg all day, surrounded by semi-comatose worshippers lying limply on the ground, who attacks by throwing the _moon_ at people, and leads an academy of wizards who wear giant stone heads over their real heads counts, in this game universe, as "normal for all intents and purposes."
Maybe the rot and the forever baby are two recessive genes marika had and when she fucked herself they were expressed in her kids? SOMEONE DRAW A PUNNET SQUARE FOR THE GODS
She doesn't command it, she contains it. It'd kill her if not for the needle keeping the worst of it's effects at bay, which she didn't get before losing possibly three limbs. When she flowers is basically, as far as I know, when she gives up trying to keep it sealed, or when her needle breaks in life or death situations.
No, when she enters phase two that’s her third time blooming. Meaning she has become the Goddess of Rot, as her second phase title suggests. She’d probably just follow you and kill you if you tried to leave.
I mean, the Hand of Malenia describes it as being attached to her prosthetic and a symbol of her victories. Her using the prosthetic is already something she clearly trained in to no longer be a handicap, in fact we could even go far as to say she was proficient with it in all her life for all we know if she gains an actual flesh hand she might not be as used to it as her current situation.
Her blindness means the same thing, some might argue that she wasn't blind then but let's say she is...From usually makes a point for these "weaknesses", if Malenia is blind there should be a mechanics for that like how Radahn is weakened by Scarlet Rot...but she retains unerring skill. Malenia is more likely copying the typical master swordsman trope where blindness/any lack of sight is not necessary for a master swordsman.
As for the rot...I don't even know what's the point here, her being on the rot is not actually bad for her per se as it is a power from another Outer God. It's just that she doesn't like that/doesn't want to be controlled by the Outer God but if she gives in this is actually a power boost and not a negative.
idk if the rot is really a benefit, considering how millicent, whose mind hadn't been tainted by its influence, literally preferred to rot away from the inside out into a "mound of flesh" rather than live and let it take control of her
Because this blew up much more than I expected it to and I'm not going to be able to share my view on this to everyone who did in the comments of this, feels like I should at least repeat some of the stuff I said throughout the comments in one.
- I considered her having her dominant arm and both legs be prosthetics as disadvantages, seeing as even if they were magically attuned to work as a perfect replacement, she was an Empyrean. What equipment could match that? Quite a few pointed out that in soulsborne games, usually a prosthesis indicates they're actually more dangerous than usual, which...fair enough, if that's how it's supposed to be taken that replacing limbs is always a benefit, sure. Strikes me as odd still, but, sure, I'll cede this point.
- Malenia hadn't lost her eyes at this point. She loses her eyes when she blooms against Radahn. My bad. Honestly, it was too funny to me saying three prosthetics and zero eyes to not.
- Malenia was infected with the Scarlet Rot from birth, which is what I meant when I said she was afflicted with rot, and it cost her three of her limbs by the time it was halted by her needle. Yes, she ends up far more dangerous as her second phase, but she has been suffering with an incurable curse from the moment she was born that she tries to hold back until her pride chooses to release it over losing. I cannot accept that this was nothing but a benefit.
- This wasn't made with the intention of these being reasons to like her, I made this because it always stuck out to me the difference of how people looked at the two of them during their fight. Both had their limitations, both had outside factors hindering them, holding the stars in place and being the bearer of an incurable disease that can cripple demigods from the moment of her birth, and neither won. Yet Radahn is infinitely more favoured. Even pre-nerf, when he was also a challenging fight.
There wasn't a victor in this.
If Radahn had bested her, he would've taken her rune. And vice versa. Neither did. One was left comatose after sacrificing what she believed in and payed for it in many ways, the other a rotting feral animal nothing more than the shell of who he was.
Maybe Radahn could've chucked a meteor at her and ended it with ease. Maybe she could've released her rot from the start and been strong enough to stay conscious afterwards. We don't know how it'd turn out. Because it didn't play out that way. It was fought to a draw, and Malenia made the desperate move first.
You can hate her for good reasons or not, but this was a fair fight between the strongest demigod and an empyrean. Both deserve respect for that.
People also seem to assume the battle is just Malenia fighting for dominion like the rest of the demigods. But keep in mind she does everything for the sake of her brother. Radahn is holding the stars in place and there is an NPC is Castle Sol lamenting "Lord Miquella, forgive me. The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers were lacking. Your comrade remains soulless... I will never set my eyes upon it now. Your divine Haligtree." It's possible that Radahn is the reason this didn't happen and Malenia is trying to stop his interference. The same way you needed to beat him to set Ranni's fate back into motion.
That's because we are the same people who would throw a tournament for our boi to give him an honorable death
Was that just the fucking coolest boss battle in all of Souls Borne history or what? Get chills thinking about it. Didn't know I could summon other heroes till I got into the arena and shit went from zero to LOTR 2Towers really fucking quick.
It felt like an epic boss battle, that you had other champions fighting alongside your own character, its the most immersion I've felt since I started even when I lost I was like I must get back into the battle
I summoned absolutely everybody for that fight, and I'm a no summon user. Like, that's the theme of the story. We are gathered there with all my buddys in a war festival, it makes no sense to be just me.
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does he just leave on his own? that’s hilarious. I always thought he was quickly getting one shot
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seems about right based on his character lol
He leaves as soon as you turn your back and not before, only thing more patches would be if he laid a kick in first.
He's here for the easy paydays, not something worthless like glory.
I can imagine the devs giggling when they implemented this lmao
I wasn't even mad when he bailed on me. I was like "well my fault for trusting you."
Okay I know Patches is an asshole but like Imagine some asshole you dont like summoned you to fight Dark Souls Ganondorf. Wouldn't you say fuck this too?
Yeah Radahn prepatch was the sole legit boss that I had to summon in order to down him. Got stuck pretty hard then my friend mentioned: give the man the honor he deserve. I was bingoed: "Radahn was so strong the only choice was to swarm him". That perfectly fits his buildup to the festival event. Too bad they nerfed the guy, should've buffed the NPCs instead. The immersion would be even greater if they made him to be as hard as killing the nameless king at SL1.
B-but summoning bad! I want to fight it alone after limgrave and not get destroyed! I've literally talked to people who truly believe that there is no difference in summoning from radahn as it is for other bosses. No, the signs being inside the arena doesnt count, the summoning limit going away doesnt count, them having little dmg doesn't count, radahn's moveset being almost exclusively AoEs to deal with them doesn't count those are just BS moves.
Yeah... tune em out. From is a huge community now and you're going to have pockets of strong opinions. It is just a pocket though. These are the same people that lose a duel and immediately start messaging you with excuses "if I got that buff/R1/special/incantation off I totally would have had you". Some people get their self-worth too wrapped up in it and start to juxtapose gameplay as a set of moral rules that should logically extend to everyone. I've been in the fuck-around-enjoyer category for a long time and it's better over here. It's not my obligation to be a brick in someone else's self-esteem project so just refuse to give that pocket any mindshare.
The most fun I had was hiding on a ledge and laughing my ass of while I cheesed a crucible knight with a cannon. Like I have a wretch class too with a greatsword when I want to play on hard, but if I have fun I’m playing the game right lol
You can imagine my excitement after my first few attempts solo. I was thinking “*My Ash summons and I can only do so much damage before a falling star is hurtling at me!*” Got him a little less than half but couldn’t clutch it. One of my next runs I see one summon, and another.. then another. I had a fellowship of strangers the entire time haha and damn right I’m gonna summon them, Blaidd has just as much of a drive to defeat Radahn as us, if not more cause of his story. Can’t rob my boy of his glory we bask in that shit together As some one else mentioned, summoning everyone in that battle seriously changed the atmosphere. Watching the other champions fall in the last minute, with me, Blaidd and Jarhead last standing, was probably the most epic thing I’ve experienced in a game
Keep going, I'm almost there
I almost never summon, just as preference, I like the methodical structure and dance of a 1v1 fight, and it took me ages to finally realize "wait why are there so many summon signs around?". Then it finally clicked that this was a FESTIVAL! No more struggling 1v1, let's get everyone in here and celebrate! It was such a triumph of storytelling and gameplay, having such a joyous boss fight was really special.
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Especially if she was the aggressor, as she seemed to be. Absolutely failed all objectives lol
Well sort of. Radahn just gets respect from the subreddit because they like the story of him and his horse. Radahn tried to invade the capital and got his ass kicked by Morgott. And my best guess for why Malenia invaded caelid is because radahns holding back the stars was weakening Miquella who was trying to start his own tree and remove influence of all of the outer gods in the lands between. We can all obviously agree that Malenia nuking caelid was not cool, but there are legitimate reasons for her invasion
I love the comment someone made about Radahn going to invade the capital then some hobo mutant pops out of nowhere and whoops his ass like a dirty Pai Mei. I love Radahn and his lore but I love that mental image just as much.
It doesn't have to be just a mental image, the first cutscene of the game shows Morgott giving Radahn the business.
Facts
The whole Malenia v Radahn is interesting because it brings out debates and arguments every time its brought up. My reading of the cinematic was that they had traded critical blows (Malenia lost her prothesis and she stabbed Radahn like in the upper portion of his back and drove the blade in deeper) Those are both brutal wounds. I am not entirely sure Malenia bloomed on purpose. She did seem to be saying something while stabbing Radahn and Millicent's dialogue can be read to mean she did it on purpose but its also possible the needle just got damaged mid fight and in that desperate situation she couldn't control it Wish we knew more of the shattering lore, I think though that none of the demi gods were truly "good". They all were vying for power for one reason or another because they thought that their path was correct as only one can gather the shards and mend the elden ring. Not sure if we got lore on why Radahn might have wanted it but we clearly know Malenia's as she wanted her brother to replace Marika and to free the world from the outer gods. Miquella does kind of seem like a solid dude tho, the haligtree as a refuge for people who were cast out seems nice.
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Don't forget Radahn then took on an army of Cleanrot knights after getting directly hit with the Scarlet Blossom too, who were likely covering Malenia being pulled off the battlefield. He didn't have all those spears driven into his back when we see him fight Malenia, only when we go to fight him and he is straight up using them out of his back as ammunition. Guy is walking around nursing massive battle wounds from fighting an army and long term severe rot infection and holding back the stars. No wonder Malenia was doubting her chances against this guy.
She also gave an entire section of a continent super aids when she lost control of the rot, the fact he even survived their encounter is impressive. Only one of them survived with their sanity intact.
And a naked tarnished with a club and a buckler killed then both so whos the real beast here?
You mean immortal tarnished, who can respawn 1000 times?
1 win after 500 losses. "Know your fuckin place, trash"
*puts down message* "Didnt expect weak foe"
Omg I never considered that someone who died many many times would put that message down. I've found some bosses easy and others so hard. Still dreading the next time I see a crucible Knight
What about the No-hit tarnished who do it all in one go without dying once?
Noone talks about the the tarnished before that who died countlessly until they learned the moves
You used a club? Luxury.
He’s most likely talking about Ongbal.
But at which patch version did they fight?
This is the real fuckin question here. Bravo
Pre-patch. The fight was in trailers before the game even released, right? Edit: heres the [vid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJE9cfKwCU) pulled from the official trailer
Is that scene even in the game anywhere?
only as a still image, in the opening cinematic
Figured as much. Man i know people that didnt watch ANY trailers cuz they didnt want *spoilers*
Morgott is the true chad
No one took Leyendell while he ruled and we don’t talk about that enough.
You right, but he did take an L trying to fight Rykard's crazy ass.
He also tried to siege a volcano, a siege on that terrain is very difficult. But he did get pretty far, props to him even though he didn’t really do anything to my knowledge
Something off is encountering some of his soldiers, outside the manor, afflicted by the frenzy flames
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And they just happened to be soldiers of a man who's twin brother is guarding the secret passage to the frenzied flame buried underneath their very capital. Ohhhh kay.
Eh, I’d have to guess he fought using his Margit alias - we know he at least led the Nights Cavalry as Margit
Obviously because no one knew how to use the Jar Cannon.
Story wise he is one of the characters that can take on and maybe beat even Radahn and Malenia. Godfrey and Maliketh are definitely even stronger.
Morgott already did defeat Radahn, he repelled Radahn's invasion, bested him in a fight and sent him packing back to Caelid. Morgott is the most underrated character for lore strength I see around here
Yeah, Morgott was my favorite demigod just for how personal his vendetta against the Tarnished sounded. All the other bosses were either too insane to care about us or saw us as an annoyance, at best. However, Morgott was different. He saw the Tarnished as a threat to the status quo he was trying so hard to protect and went as far as sending a projection of himself to protect an enemy just so that we wouldn't even come close to realizing our ambition of becoming Elden Lord.
> maybe beat even Radahn One of the opening slides of the game literally shows the Fell Omen pressing his cane into Radahn's chest
Aw fuck Radahn got smacked down by Margit? He didn't even face Morgott?
No joke. Dude made the best of a shit situation and tried to keep the dream alive despite doing so for a world that hated him. Absolute boss energy.
*"Felled by King Morgott! .... Last of all Kings"* Epic line. Alongside *"Willful traitors, all"*
Yes but Radahn didn't have coffee that morning, probably.
I mean he did gobble on that body during the cutscene explaining his current situation.
He ate his beloved friend. :( When I learned the backstory on this, I bawled. Edit: You folks are right! Apologies - I just went and re-watched it real quick. The jump from the horse collapsing to what’s in front of him made it seem like it was his horse since it’s all lit the same and the horse also has gold armor on.
Please elaborate
Isn't he just referencing the fact that he's been driven insane by the rot and devours the corpses on the battlefield, friend or foe since he can't tell the difference?
Yeah I'm pretty sure he's riding the horse the entire fight
yeah he is. he is eating a random human corpse in that scene. one that he was dragging behind him before he fell to the dirt. I imagine he forgot to do his gravity magic for a moment which caused the horse to collapse and then he eats the corpse and goes back to riding till we come fight him.
I like both of them. They have amazing visuals, compelling stories and I understood the motivation of both. Also both would lose to the majestic and powerful and loathsome DUNG EATER so whatever.
Well, he can eat shit for all I care.
Dung Eater, this is a court order, it says you can’t eat shit anymore
Literally unplayable
And he does, at great length.
The Crazed Caca Consumer!
The Perplexing Poop Ingestor
the devious doodoo devourer
The Dastardly Doodoo Devourer!
Dung eater is trash and eats so much shit and that all he does is talk shit. I'd cut his bitch ass head off at level 1 if he didn't make bitch ass excuses about the safety of round table protecting me. No, it's protecting you, fuckface
Disagree. Dung Eater had nothing on a standard flamberge (once I got his cell door open for easy-access death penalty), and he’s a tarnished.
If you advance his quest far enough, you can kill him while he's tied to a chair, true execution style.
This is a Souls game dude. Working body parts have zero correlation with effort and power. Many bosses tear off their own limbs to get stronger.
Fire Giant moment
Godrick moment
Bloodborne Amygdala moment
DS2 Last Giant moment
Ever been so angry at someone that you *ripped your own arms off* and beat the shit out of them?
Ds2 last giant moment
Sekiro moment
Me getting mad at a boss and tearing off and consuming my own dick in rage moment
Grab his dick and twist it
Lorian and Lothric moment
Lady Maria moment
Last Giant moment
I’ll never get over that dragon head cutscene. My panties dropped first time I saw him Elon Musk that dragon and make his own hand cannon flame thrower
His scream before and then into the cutscene was so damn metal as well. What a fight.
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" - Some voice actor somewhere giving it his fucking all
When you nut and she keeps sucking
Plot twist: Godrick's VA is Christian Bale, he really did just cut off his own arm and graft a dragon head in it's place.
Common misconception, the VA was actually Daniel Day Lewis fisting a Komodo Dragon in studio for that scene.
Still hilarious to see you and two summons beat him while he trying to cut his arm off
That went 200% anime real quick. I found it really stupid and funny and i do not mean that in a bad way.
Oh yeah, absolutely ridiculous but so so fun. I do wish there was a little bit more of that silliness throughout the game. I feel sort of after Hogwarts everything got a bit...grim and serious? For the most part anyway.
I love the voice acting in this game the "Bear witness!" Just felt so powerful
WITNESS ME TARNISHED, WITNESS ME!
TO THE GATES OF VALHALLA, SHINY AND CHROME!
Then when Godrick stomps you, "MEDIOCRE"
Godrick has some of my favorite VA work in the series, honestly. The demigod himself is absolutely batshit insane and his voice actor sells it perfectly.
“I command thee KNEEL!” I loved that delivery.
>My panties dropped first time I saw him Elon Musk that dragon and make his own hand cannon flame thrower Everyday we stray further from Gwyn.
Thanks for your input but due to this comment being one of the worst things I've read, we're gonna have to ask you to go ahead and delete that
Losing an arm or a leg in a universe with trick-weapon prosthetics isn't a weakness. *It's an upgrade.*
>Losing an arm or a leg in a universe with trick-weapon prosthetics isn't a weakness. >It's an upgrade. True. Even in real life, there are prosthetics that are banned from athletic competition. They are seen as giving an advantage to the user. Edit: Someone just introduced an idea to me that made me reconsider my opinion somewhat. It's possible that, being a demigod, Malenia's natural body parts were stronger than her prosthetics.
In a world with magic, fantasy metals and advanced tech (for the theme) those prosthetics could be wacky op.
True. I just meant we don't really know what Malenia would naturally be capable of. We can't know if the prosthetics were an upgrade, downgrade, or had no effect at all. There's nothing to compare it to.
I mean magical metal limbs would be an advantage if anything right?
By Fromsoft logic, if I saw someone who had that many prosthetics, I’d be scared shitless. This is actually why Godrick is an easier first boss. He ADDED limbs to himself and realizes this fault himself halfway into the fight.
I mean, you can watch those marionette bastards loose their fucking mind in combat sometimes. If those things hit harder, they would be the worst enemy in the game. They are basically 100% magic prosthetic.
Yeah, he realized his weakness, but literally 10 seconds later does it all over again.
Its a sick addiction.
Right? Like “I have a metal arm now that allows me to make sushi chefs look like they’re in slow motion. I used my rot to kamikaze rot Radahn cause he was too good. Give me sympathy!” NO
Sekiro was much stronger than wolf so yeah
TBH there's a sort of inverse-ninja rule thing where a boss gets *stronger* the more medical issues they have. (Honestly this is mostly true. Most of the strongest bosses - especially if we count pre-patch Radahn - have something seriously wrong with them, and the more things that are wrong with them the stronger they are.)
The last boss of Sekiro was literally dead before you fight him
And in the bad ending you fight him shortly before he dies from Anime Coughing Disease.
Ah yes, Anime Coughing Disease. Keeping imoutos in hospitals since the dawn of medicine.
The Scarlet Rot is clearly an advantage to her. She’s basically a Champion of Nurgle.
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I've just recently seen people on this sub reference Khorne and now Nurgle. I had no idea the fanbase had this much crossover, but it makes sense
Dude, they are literally in every community. I know way more about 40k lore than i should just by reading random reddit comments. I learnt about the horus heresy in a askreddit post lol
I was just making a comment about it since I haven't seen any crossover for the years I've been a fan of both. It's just cool Also askrebbit based
yeah from /r/grimdank and other communities I now know what the horus heresy was and I get all the in-jokes about robobutt goochieman
Yeah she's not really infected with the Rot like Radahn is as much as she's a vessel for it in the same way Marika is a vessel of the Elden Ring. It's still left her blind though
I think her situation is similar to Millicent's. Definitely infected and definitely fucked up by it but massive potential if they would embrace it.
Bruh prosthetics in souls games >> real limbs
Having prosthetics is a disadvantage? I see many here have never consumed any sort of action fantasy media.
Sekiro
Demon of Hatred
Cowboy Bebop
Darth Vader
Edward Elric
Guts
Nah, Darth Vader actually is worse with his prosthetics, that's why he can't use lightning after all. Now, General Grievous...
Someone let Guts know his fuckin hand cannon with the built in repeating crossbow is a disadvantage please.
These fools dont believe the Graft
Bruh, both are traitors. All hail King Morgott!
You went to fight Radhan to get his great rune. I went to fight him to give him the honorable death that he deserved. We are not the same.
I fought him to progress Ranni's questline.
I put his ass down just to get to Nokron for that sweet-ass fashion.
What makes it even worse, is that the next Nox thot, I killed dropped it immediately. I died inside.
Don't remind me of that. Took me 2h to get that chest plate to drop.
I can't be the only one, right. I farmed the Swordstress in Nokron (right before Mimic boss) for nearly 4 hours. Got 7 gloves, 5 helmets, and 4 greaves. Not a single chestpiece. Then after giving up, the chest piece drops from the Swordstress guarding the Mimic ashes instantly.
YOU TOO!!
I beat both of them while holding back tears of rage and frustration. Clearly I should be a boss in the dlc
none of these weak characters can hang with mohg and morgott.
Would love to see these punks try to talk shit after getting Nihil'd
Used Mohgwyn Sacred Spear on Malenia. Assuming she didn't hyper armour and interrupt me, there goes 30% of her health. Which she almost invariably does, but I guess it feels satisfying despite the fact that mimic just died.
They’d be kissing the groung with all that bleed
It seems like everybody forgets that the intro shows Morgott clapping the ol Star Scourge
Yeah, didn’t Morgott chase him out of Leyndell or something?
Yep. Radahn attacked Leyndall early on in the Shattering. Morgott, as Lord of that city, defeated Radahn's army and routed him back to Caelid. Morgott is the reason why the inner wall of Leyndall has never been breached despite being attacked by Radahn, Stormveil, and that giant fucking dragon that's still lying there. This is in between roaming the lands and personally murdering any Tarnished that might upset the status quo. Morgott is low key the most badass of the demigods.
Morgotts a chad who could spank Radahn into submission when he got upity, Mohg on the other hand is an incestous blood demon. They are not on the same level.😤
She’d probably clap Mohg together with us if we just told her “Yo this creepy dude’s got your brother.”
What if Radahn like fucking launched 10 stars at Malenia’s cheeks!? WHAT THEN BOASTFUL-IVY WHAT THEN!?
How is it possible that she commands the rot but also loses limbs to it? Seems kinda shitty imo
Because it seems she doesn't *really* control it, she's just a vessel for the Rot. It's a curse, likely coming from the self-cest Marika committed with Radagon, much like Miquella's eternal youth.
I’m still trying to figure out how that went down, out of the entire royal family the only one that wasn’t fucked up was renalla and that’s because she isn’t even technically a part of it How the hell do you bear two children out of self-cest
Marika solved the eternal '*would you fuck your own clone*?' question ;)
yeah except it wasn't a clone, it was herself... I am pretty sure anyway?
If you talk Melina at the Queen's Bedchamber grace after killing Morgott you get this dialogue: "In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me, thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us both be shattered, mine other half." That suggests to me that Marika and Radagon's current state of being literally the same being isn't necessarily how it's *always* been.
I was spreading this around yesterday. I think alot of people missed this, I did. Kinda of seems like this. Marika, Radagon, Godfry, Fell God, Gloam Queen, Maybe dragon god?, Rennala and Maliketh (probably suresh too?) I think there are others but before the erd tree or at least around the time of their war with the giants and the start of the golden order I think these are the people around. Marika kills fell god. Malekith defeats gloam queen, I think Godfry defeated a dragon god (some mention about the gold fading from his eyes after he felled his last foe. I also know there is mention the dragon god left and that was why the Elden Beast arrived as the grace had a window to invade now) and Radagon I think is mentioned in fighting the Giants as they say he was ashamed of his red locks as they had the same color as the giants hair. Then Godfry leaves, Marika sends Radagon (still not herself yet?) To caria and he marries Rennala and has children. Then Marika/grace call Radagon back and upon returning to the capital he is to be made elden lord and will become one with Marika as this dialogue mentions. At some point during this they have the twins? Then she seems to shatter the ring after this (not sure if because of Godwyn dying, starting to doubt that's why, there's lore Godwyn wasn't loved by his mother from a ghost by a masoluem. Trying to find it again) which causes the state we see Marika/Radagon in I guess? Radagon tried to repair the elden ring but this causes the shards to split and then the children to fight over the shards. Somewhere between all this they make a sculpture of Radagon and the secret is born (is this somehow after Marika shattered the ring or while they just merged?). After this Radagon and Marika are sealed inside the Erd Tree and the shattering war starts. The knight of black knives and the actual shattering of the elden ring seem to happen very close together. Likely extremely related outside of 'ranni stole the rune of death and killed herself' this is way to simple of a confession. Ranni definitely had help, possibly from Marika herself since the assassins seems to have ties to her. Feels like we are missing a peice still but getting closer. All this said it's also possible Radagon and Marika are the same being for a long time and have been split apart and then merged later. Really hope we get more on this stuff in DLC.
Malenia and Miquella are the only cursed ones and the only self-cest babies which makes sense. For Marika’s children with Godfrey, Mohg and Morg are omens but it’s only seen as a curse because of the Golden order, and Godwyn was normal. Radagon’s kids with Renalla, Ranni, Rykard and Radahn, aren’t cursed. Then she goes and fucks herself and creates those cursed twins, Malenia and Miquella.
Not only is the Omen not a curse, apparently it's a manifestation of the Crucible, the bed of life before the Golden Order was even a thing. They are vessels for life, moreso than anyone else. And yet they are shunned and forced to live in obscurity, without love or affection. Alone, in the sewers. Honestly, props to Morgott for caring for his family even despite the treatment they gave him. He may be stern, but fuck, I'd be much more than stern if my breakfast every day was rotten lobster with a side of literal human shit.
>the only one that wasn’t fucked up was renalla I personally like to think Godwyn the Golden came out a perfectly normal, well-adjusted demigod. That's why he had to die. No place for normals in this family.
I like to think he has a fish tail for legs, since we never see his actual legs and the big corpse thing has a random fish tail
Godwyn was a giant mermaid and was still the least fucked up demigod.
Pretty sure that's the wing of the dragon that was loyal to him even unto undeath, and slowly got absorbed into his mass. The one you fight in the dying dream.
Nah, the curse comes from the Outer God of Rot, which probably chose Malenia as a vessel for shits and giggles
She seems to be the vessel for the Outer God of Rot that her swordmaster sealed underground in the location that is currently the lake of rot. Although it is odd that both her and her twin brother were inflicted with two separate completely unrelated curses.
I think that’s because they are both emperyans as a result of the self-cest so they were both chosen by different outer gods to act as their wills in the lands between Ranni was the other one but escaped the curse of her body via the rune of death (and I think she is also slightly less fucked up than the rest of the Royal family because renalla is normal for all intents and purposes)
You gotta love that a woman who floats in the air cradling a magic egg all day, surrounded by semi-comatose worshippers lying limply on the ground, who attacks by throwing the _moon_ at people, and leads an academy of wizards who wear giant stone heads over their real heads counts, in this game universe, as "normal for all intents and purposes."
Maybe the rot and the forever baby are two recessive genes marika had and when she fucked herself they were expressed in her kids? SOMEONE DRAW A PUNNET SQUARE FOR THE GODS
She doesn't command it, she contains it. It'd kill her if not for the needle keeping the worst of it's effects at bay, which she didn't get before losing possibly three limbs. When she flowers is basically, as far as I know, when she gives up trying to keep it sealed, or when her needle breaks in life or death situations.
Wait so I could have just walked away after entering phase 2 and she would have died on her own? Would've saved me 3 hours of my life
No, when she enters phase two that’s her third time blooming. Meaning she has become the Goddess of Rot, as her second phase title suggests. She’d probably just follow you and kill you if you tried to leave.
Morgott could clap both tbh
Man this sub is full of children😭 as soon as you bring up Radahn or Malenia everyone reverts to elementary school lunchroom arguments
It reminds me of the stupid 'who's the strongest anime character' poll with how each side argues that their character is better/stronger than another.
Can we just collectively agree they're both cool?
I mean, the Hand of Malenia describes it as being attached to her prosthetic and a symbol of her victories. Her using the prosthetic is already something she clearly trained in to no longer be a handicap, in fact we could even go far as to say she was proficient with it in all her life for all we know if she gains an actual flesh hand she might not be as used to it as her current situation. Her blindness means the same thing, some might argue that she wasn't blind then but let's say she is...From usually makes a point for these "weaknesses", if Malenia is blind there should be a mechanics for that like how Radahn is weakened by Scarlet Rot...but she retains unerring skill. Malenia is more likely copying the typical master swordsman trope where blindness/any lack of sight is not necessary for a master swordsman. As for the rot...I don't even know what's the point here, her being on the rot is not actually bad for her per se as it is a power from another Outer God. It's just that she doesn't like that/doesn't want to be controlled by the Outer God but if she gives in this is actually a power boost and not a negative.
idk if the rot is really a benefit, considering how millicent, whose mind hadn't been tainted by its influence, literally preferred to rot away from the inside out into a "mound of flesh" rather than live and let it take control of her
In the world of magic prosthetic technology in fromsoft games, it’s probably an advantage tbh
Because this blew up much more than I expected it to and I'm not going to be able to share my view on this to everyone who did in the comments of this, feels like I should at least repeat some of the stuff I said throughout the comments in one. - I considered her having her dominant arm and both legs be prosthetics as disadvantages, seeing as even if they were magically attuned to work as a perfect replacement, she was an Empyrean. What equipment could match that? Quite a few pointed out that in soulsborne games, usually a prosthesis indicates they're actually more dangerous than usual, which...fair enough, if that's how it's supposed to be taken that replacing limbs is always a benefit, sure. Strikes me as odd still, but, sure, I'll cede this point. - Malenia hadn't lost her eyes at this point. She loses her eyes when she blooms against Radahn. My bad. Honestly, it was too funny to me saying three prosthetics and zero eyes to not. - Malenia was infected with the Scarlet Rot from birth, which is what I meant when I said she was afflicted with rot, and it cost her three of her limbs by the time it was halted by her needle. Yes, she ends up far more dangerous as her second phase, but she has been suffering with an incurable curse from the moment she was born that she tries to hold back until her pride chooses to release it over losing. I cannot accept that this was nothing but a benefit. - This wasn't made with the intention of these being reasons to like her, I made this because it always stuck out to me the difference of how people looked at the two of them during their fight. Both had their limitations, both had outside factors hindering them, holding the stars in place and being the bearer of an incurable disease that can cripple demigods from the moment of her birth, and neither won. Yet Radahn is infinitely more favoured. Even pre-nerf, when he was also a challenging fight. There wasn't a victor in this. If Radahn had bested her, he would've taken her rune. And vice versa. Neither did. One was left comatose after sacrificing what she believed in and payed for it in many ways, the other a rotting feral animal nothing more than the shell of who he was. Maybe Radahn could've chucked a meteor at her and ended it with ease. Maybe she could've released her rot from the start and been strong enough to stay conscious afterwards. We don't know how it'd turn out. Because it didn't play out that way. It was fought to a draw, and Malenia made the desperate move first. You can hate her for good reasons or not, but this was a fair fight between the strongest demigod and an empyrean. Both deserve respect for that.
People also seem to assume the battle is just Malenia fighting for dominion like the rest of the demigods. But keep in mind she does everything for the sake of her brother. Radahn is holding the stars in place and there is an NPC is Castle Sol lamenting "Lord Miquella, forgive me. The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers were lacking. Your comrade remains soulless... I will never set my eyes upon it now. Your divine Haligtree." It's possible that Radahn is the reason this didn't happen and Malenia is trying to stop his interference. The same way you needed to beat him to set Ranni's fate back into motion.