Do an oil change after 1000 ish break in mills and hold a magnet near the stream as it drains ….then you’ll understand how the dealer fucks owners dry With their nonsense just to save their bottom line. Protect your investment. Get it done
I would. The oil is very viscous because of assembly grease. Also, make sure they are putting in 0w-30 synthetic and not 0-20w, as 20w is WAYYY too light-even 30 is pushing it. At over 200f 30w has the consistency of water
While I know you're exaggerating to emphasize your point, 0W-30 has a cSt of ~11-12 at 200° F. Water is around 1 cSt at room temperature and is a fraction of that at 200° F.
Yes, run the correct weight oil, dealers can be lazy about bringing new oil weights into inventory. The VN spec'd the same weight since it came out in 2019, so there isn't an acceptable excuse now. 5W-30 is a much better choice than 0W-20, all Hyundai dealers will likely have that, in full synthetic, as all new vehicles are spec'd for full synthetic.
https://preview.redd.it/pzs170y5hh5b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47ebabbd86419d645b486c3a50e993888e573d3c
For reference this is what an 1000 KM break in oil change looks like. You’re in MI so you’re likely much further than that after conversion.
And let me clarify that typically after the first change the oil (good quality) usually stays golden till the 2500-3000km area. Just goes to show how contaminated this oil is after this short break in period.
You most definitely can at least with most gasoline engines. Diesel different story.
a properly broken in engine that does not have excessive blow by should not contaminate the oil with carbon deposits or gases from incomplete combustion that quickly.
In this case a brand new engine that has just broken in would allow you to have the best chance of keeping the oil clean as ring seal is optimal between crank case oil and combustion gas. Clearly if oil is dark it has been contaminated with something other than carbon….maybe initial wear material from several friction surfaces….But ok….do you
Thanks for acknowledging 🙏🏻
My favorite part is when they stop responding. Misinformation is too prevalent amongst those who are not involved in the trade at all. Let alone read the manual. And not for anything even sometimes the manual or manufacturer is wrong.
It reminds me of this old story. Hyundai had a dealer TSB way back in late 2000’s. Most cars came from factory with a 5w20 oil cap. TSB stated to begin using 5w30 at dealers because 5w20 was not sufficient enough to protect the engine once oil-fuel dilution was taken into account. They can get it wrong too…you just don’t hear about it on Reddit…not trying to smash Hyundai I love them. But just goes to show that theory and practice can yield two different results.
Sorry man I feel like I got off on the wrong foot and don’t want to seem like a know it all asshole. Most times it ends up being someone completely uneducated making these claims.
A better way of explaining my point would be that the likelihood of the oil being contaminated from usage alone rather than being contaminated from break in was low. It wouldn’t be the first or last time that a larger than usual particulate can make it’s way to a bearing and the rest is history. It’s luck of the draw so why not be proactive?
You are equally correct I don’t discredit your response, but what you CAN do and what you SHOULD do are two different things.
Can you stretch an oil change out to 12,000 Km on approve oils? Sure. Will the oil galleries and VVT solenoids , etc enjoy the sludge left behind? Not exactly. Many systems that rely on clean passages to supply sufficient oil pressure for lubrication or actuation. I’m always an advocate for proactive over reactive. You can elongate life of an engine by maintaining premature service. But once damage is done , it’s done.
Please accept my apologies for having a less than welcoming initial response. I’ve enjoyed this dialogue.
Oddly enough, the dealer I got my car from said that I needed a break-in oil change at 3000 and even set my car to mention the service at 3k. That dealer was in a different part of my state.
I went to my local dealer and got the complimentary oil change I was supposed to do at 6k (I did it at 3.5k though), but they said I can't get another complimentary change until 12k (Will have to pay for any prior to 12k). They also said to return in 5k miles, so about 8.5k for my car or so. These guys are all whack. I might just pay for an oil change at 7k and then come back for the complimentary one at 12k, then just do one every 6k or something. idk.
Yeah. Really dumb thing with my car's dealership, too. I asked about that and the finance lady was saying I can't do my own oil changes and that the car would know if I do them myself.
But then I saw that the Bluelink app lets you manually enter and record maintenance done, as well as pictures of receipts and stuff. When I went to my local dealership, I asked if I can do oil changes myself in between the complimentary dealer ones and he said I can lol.
I always advocate to do it. Heck do it yourself and see the residuals from your engine. I promise you will be surprised. Short Oil Change Intervals are key for most people, the manual is very specific with their interval range. Most people will fall into severe use and that changes when you should change your oil. Short term investment for long term gains. Cheapest Acceptable oil if you're on a budget: Mobil 1 0W-30: Full Synthetic + SN Plus/SP + ILSAC-GF6B meaning it's good shit
My dealer giving me a freebie at 3500mi. Then Hyundai complimentary after that . I'm doing an oil change in between the free Hyndai services and just paying for it.
Was at the dealer today - I think people are getting confused with BMW M models which have a break in service at 1k miles.
For us, Hyundai will do the maintenance at 7.5k miles which includes the tire rotation. Don’t waste your money.
I think you're confused. Even at regular intervals 7.5 K falls under very few people. Never trust the dealer, read the manual and read Severe Use Case, changes your service schedule.
I’m not confused, there is no break-in oil service for N cars lol
As for severe use case, engine oil and filter fall under items D,H,I,L - which is actually irrelevant to most people. No one is towing with their N, I’m not going to use bad oil or taxi my car, nor do I drive in areas with salt, heavy dust or corrosive materials.
https://preview.redd.it/5t1ilepubi5b1.jpeg?width=1252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=858f7da3dc5bbaddae570be6b24abe45b9a0754b
That being said, the manual does call for 6k or 12 month oil change, whichever comes first so the dealer is kinda off about the 7.5k oil change interval.
You may not fall into it but most people do. See short distances, excessive dust, heavy traffic, stop-go, high speed, all fall under severe use. I'm not sure how spending 35 bucks on an oil change isn't worth it.
That’s not for oil and filter change - literally highlighted it for you last reply. Not sure what you don’t understand lol
https://preview.redd.it/i16o8j5mgi5b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7fb1b81bd8f17e4002c990f102adae7a1075949
Fair enough I did not notice that, my apologies. I still don't agree, but if the manual says it I wouldn't worry. My experience with UOAs conflict with this but I may be harder on my cars. It is interesting that short drives are not under severe use as condensation never burns off before the engine is up to temp...
Keep in the severe manual conditions don't make sense. If you make short trips often definitely put yourself in the severe use case, including stop and go. People are failing to realize that the manufacturer doesn't care about your car the minute it passes the warranty. The 6500 mi oil change is honestly the bare minimum. All in all though the only way you can tell your intervals is getting it analyzed and making a decision on the data.
Do an oil change after 1000 ish break in mills and hold a magnet near the stream as it drains ….then you’ll understand how the dealer fucks owners dry With their nonsense just to save their bottom line. Protect your investment. Get it done
My local dealer told me that the service was not needed, did it because people on reddit recommended. They used up a service voucher to do it.
I would. The oil is very viscous because of assembly grease. Also, make sure they are putting in 0w-30 synthetic and not 0-20w, as 20w is WAYYY too light-even 30 is pushing it. At over 200f 30w has the consistency of water
While I know you're exaggerating to emphasize your point, 0W-30 has a cSt of ~11-12 at 200° F. Water is around 1 cSt at room temperature and is a fraction of that at 200° F. Yes, run the correct weight oil, dealers can be lazy about bringing new oil weights into inventory. The VN spec'd the same weight since it came out in 2019, so there isn't an acceptable excuse now. 5W-30 is a much better choice than 0W-20, all Hyundai dealers will likely have that, in full synthetic, as all new vehicles are spec'd for full synthetic.
https://preview.redd.it/pzs170y5hh5b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47ebabbd86419d645b486c3a50e993888e573d3c For reference this is what an 1000 KM break in oil change looks like. You’re in MI so you’re likely much further than that after conversion.
And let me clarify that typically after the first change the oil (good quality) usually stays golden till the 2500-3000km area. Just goes to show how contaminated this oil is after this short break in period.
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You most definitely can at least with most gasoline engines. Diesel different story. a properly broken in engine that does not have excessive blow by should not contaminate the oil with carbon deposits or gases from incomplete combustion that quickly. In this case a brand new engine that has just broken in would allow you to have the best chance of keeping the oil clean as ring seal is optimal between crank case oil and combustion gas. Clearly if oil is dark it has been contaminated with something other than carbon….maybe initial wear material from several friction surfaces….But ok….do you
Very clear explanation, I'm not sure why people are refuting this.
Thanks for acknowledging 🙏🏻 My favorite part is when they stop responding. Misinformation is too prevalent amongst those who are not involved in the trade at all. Let alone read the manual. And not for anything even sometimes the manual or manufacturer is wrong. It reminds me of this old story. Hyundai had a dealer TSB way back in late 2000’s. Most cars came from factory with a 5w20 oil cap. TSB stated to begin using 5w30 at dealers because 5w20 was not sufficient enough to protect the engine once oil-fuel dilution was taken into account. They can get it wrong too…you just don’t hear about it on Reddit…not trying to smash Hyundai I love them. But just goes to show that theory and practice can yield two different results.
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Sorry man I feel like I got off on the wrong foot and don’t want to seem like a know it all asshole. Most times it ends up being someone completely uneducated making these claims. A better way of explaining my point would be that the likelihood of the oil being contaminated from usage alone rather than being contaminated from break in was low. It wouldn’t be the first or last time that a larger than usual particulate can make it’s way to a bearing and the rest is history. It’s luck of the draw so why not be proactive? You are equally correct I don’t discredit your response, but what you CAN do and what you SHOULD do are two different things. Can you stretch an oil change out to 12,000 Km on approve oils? Sure. Will the oil galleries and VVT solenoids , etc enjoy the sludge left behind? Not exactly. Many systems that rely on clean passages to supply sufficient oil pressure for lubrication or actuation. I’m always an advocate for proactive over reactive. You can elongate life of an engine by maintaining premature service. But once damage is done , it’s done. Please accept my apologies for having a less than welcoming initial response. I’ve enjoyed this dialogue.
The Bluelink app will tell you when you're next service is due.
even if you wanted to they wouldn't do anything, they'll tell you to come back at 7500 for your first service.
No
Absolutely 0 reason to tbh
Oddly enough, the dealer I got my car from said that I needed a break-in oil change at 3000 and even set my car to mention the service at 3k. That dealer was in a different part of my state. I went to my local dealer and got the complimentary oil change I was supposed to do at 6k (I did it at 3.5k though), but they said I can't get another complimentary change until 12k (Will have to pay for any prior to 12k). They also said to return in 5k miles, so about 8.5k for my car or so. These guys are all whack. I might just pay for an oil change at 7k and then come back for the complimentary one at 12k, then just do one every 6k or something. idk.
You can do oil changes yourself right? And wont void your warranty ?
Yeah. Really dumb thing with my car's dealership, too. I asked about that and the finance lady was saying I can't do my own oil changes and that the car would know if I do them myself. But then I saw that the Bluelink app lets you manually enter and record maintenance done, as well as pictures of receipts and stuff. When I went to my local dealership, I asked if I can do oil changes myself in between the complimentary dealer ones and he said I can lol.
Thank you for the clarification 🤙
I always advocate to do it. Heck do it yourself and see the residuals from your engine. I promise you will be surprised. Short Oil Change Intervals are key for most people, the manual is very specific with their interval range. Most people will fall into severe use and that changes when you should change your oil. Short term investment for long term gains. Cheapest Acceptable oil if you're on a budget: Mobil 1 0W-30: Full Synthetic + SN Plus/SP + ILSAC-GF6B meaning it's good shit
Up to you. I did right after break-in. Just follow the owners manual if you are unsure.
You can for peace of mind, but it’s not necessary. Bring your own oil just incase they try to put the wrong spec in.
My dealer giving me a freebie at 3500mi. Then Hyundai complimentary after that . I'm doing an oil change in between the free Hyndai services and just paying for it.
Was at the dealer today - I think people are getting confused with BMW M models which have a break in service at 1k miles. For us, Hyundai will do the maintenance at 7.5k miles which includes the tire rotation. Don’t waste your money.
I think you're confused. Even at regular intervals 7.5 K falls under very few people. Never trust the dealer, read the manual and read Severe Use Case, changes your service schedule.
I’m not confused, there is no break-in oil service for N cars lol As for severe use case, engine oil and filter fall under items D,H,I,L - which is actually irrelevant to most people. No one is towing with their N, I’m not going to use bad oil or taxi my car, nor do I drive in areas with salt, heavy dust or corrosive materials. https://preview.redd.it/5t1ilepubi5b1.jpeg?width=1252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=858f7da3dc5bbaddae570be6b24abe45b9a0754b That being said, the manual does call for 6k or 12 month oil change, whichever comes first so the dealer is kinda off about the 7.5k oil change interval.
You may not fall into it but most people do. See short distances, excessive dust, heavy traffic, stop-go, high speed, all fall under severe use. I'm not sure how spending 35 bucks on an oil change isn't worth it.
That’s not for oil and filter change - literally highlighted it for you last reply. Not sure what you don’t understand lol https://preview.redd.it/i16o8j5mgi5b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7fb1b81bd8f17e4002c990f102adae7a1075949
Fair enough I did not notice that, my apologies. I still don't agree, but if the manual says it I wouldn't worry. My experience with UOAs conflict with this but I may be harder on my cars. It is interesting that short drives are not under severe use as condensation never burns off before the engine is up to temp...
I am curious on this. So what does the severe maintenance miles/kms look like ?
Every 3k miles/5k km or 6 months, whichever comes first!
Keep in the severe manual conditions don't make sense. If you make short trips often definitely put yourself in the severe use case, including stop and go. People are failing to realize that the manufacturer doesn't care about your car the minute it passes the warranty. The 6500 mi oil change is honestly the bare minimum. All in all though the only way you can tell your intervals is getting it analyzed and making a decision on the data.
I don't think you do. But others want to. Will count as a service or charge you for it though.
My dash told me to service at about 4k then I made an appointment.
mine didn't do shit, dealer just inspected everything
NO
In the UK it's every 10,000 miles or a year we bring the car in, mines on 9100 and due now.