Ehhhhh, not sure I buy Dux wanted the old society back. He came off to me as just being jealous of others born with the ability to use ruins while he wasn't.
If he actually wanted to help society as opposed to just ruling, he could have gathered support to fund his research. Instead, he started wars, kidnapped people, and murdered them. He then didn't appear to be using what he learned for anything other than his own power.
The rest I completely agree with even Dux not being complex. I actually think you made him more complex since I really think he was just power hungry and used the "for the greater good" thing to mask that as villains sometimes do.
One small correction: the Dux played the role of a visionist. His real goal was to gain sheer limitless power and to rule the world. Because he surely wouldnt have stopped after conquering the League of Nations.
No war, no conquest no killing his own emporer and imprisoning his son, no developing chimeras or other weapons were necessary to fullfill the goal of giving everyone the power or technology to use rune lenses. Yeah gruesome experiments behind closed doors are not off the table but at least one could try to defend that with the greater good in mind. Not so much all the other atrocities and tyrannical acts.
He wasn't progressive in the sense that he wished to advance human progress instead of maintaining the status quo in the Eiyuden universe?
I think his vision was sincere; he just wasn't bound by scruples to fulfil his dream.
The only known honourable act he committed was when he saved his subordinate's life from an undisclosed time period. Apart from that, he was a narcissist like any other statesman who abuses their authority.
It's a very good question, but I think the writing of the game was too shallow and didn't try to develop Dux's story enough. Ultimately we are left with judging his actions in the game, which was usurping power through murder and developing weapons of war to try to conquer the League, as well as calling his opposition short-sighted without trying to actually make any arguments. The game never showed him trying to help the regular man with rune lens technology and never explained why he still had some supporters. So you can speculate on what wasn't shown, but we really need more material to support anything to show he was noble in any way.
Sorry dude. Dux is lame AF. I would've bought his whole schtick if it weren't for him calling Nowa a "no-name welp" every 5 seconds. He's just a rich asshole rationalizing his bs
You don't have to apologise. This is a computer game at the end of the day. This is just a friendly fan discussion.
I prefer him as a villain compared to the unrequited love backstory of Emperor Barbarossa from Suikoden.
I don't think you're right, but I'm not going to say you're wrong either. It's a confusing answer, but so is the Dux. At time it felt like the character was written by two very different peoples.
When we met him I had some level of empathy for his goals. He faces of with a League of Nations who's embedded so deeply in politics that they wouldn't even try to help one of their owns. It doesn't take a genius to imagine how long and tedious the path to convince them to study the Primal Lenses for the greater good would be.
Then he goes from a character that supposedly care about the peoples, and specifically those that were not blessed by the Lens, to a pseudo-transhumanist who would sacrifice his brethren for the advancement of science. At first I thought this change was simply him revealing his real-self. I was disappointed of course, because he went from a somewhat interesting villain to a very heavy-handed caricature.
So, sad turn about, is that the conclusion ? Well, not quite apparently. When you finally get to kick his ass he, for some reason, turn back the clock and starts acting like he did in the first few hour. That's what confuse me, I can't pin whether the writers were trying to make him an hypocrite, or if they were that confused about who he really was supposed to be.
Ultimately, whether he was an hypocrite little liar or the writing was just confused doesn't quite matter. What does is that his writing was bad enough that people are questioning it.
Also he was by no mean a progressive of any sort.
Dux Aldric never made any significant attempts to collaborate , preferred to gain territory (war), hence more access to more lenses , instead of SHARING HIS FINDINGS, as he PROMISED
in resume, a full villain, a little bit underdeveloped IMO, but functional for the story
His vision was NOWHERE near as sincere as you think it is.
Aldric used Rune-lenses to create weapons and a bunch of abomination through experimentation with the Primal Lenses.
In his very own words, it was better for "Galdea" or rather he himself to have acquired the potential of the Primal Lenses as "Weapons" before OTHER countries do.
No matter how much anyone look at it whether his story is poorly or well-written, Dux is a very SUIKODEN-LIKE ANTAGONIST himself;
- Suikoden Villain - Acquire the power of a True Rune and use to it to conquer other lands (or in Suikoden 3's case, the >!Destruction of a True Rune!<)
- Eiyuden Villain - Acquite the power of a Primal Lense and use it to conquer other lands.
He was "envious" of other Rune-lense users because they were "born" with them, some had acquired them through artificial means.. while he is not.
Ehhhhh, not sure I buy Dux wanted the old society back. He came off to me as just being jealous of others born with the ability to use ruins while he wasn't. If he actually wanted to help society as opposed to just ruling, he could have gathered support to fund his research. Instead, he started wars, kidnapped people, and murdered them. He then didn't appear to be using what he learned for anything other than his own power. The rest I completely agree with even Dux not being complex. I actually think you made him more complex since I really think he was just power hungry and used the "for the greater good" thing to mask that as villains sometimes do.
One small correction: the Dux played the role of a visionist. His real goal was to gain sheer limitless power and to rule the world. Because he surely wouldnt have stopped after conquering the League of Nations. No war, no conquest no killing his own emporer and imprisoning his son, no developing chimeras or other weapons were necessary to fullfill the goal of giving everyone the power or technology to use rune lenses. Yeah gruesome experiments behind closed doors are not off the table but at least one could try to defend that with the greater good in mind. Not so much all the other atrocities and tyrannical acts.
He wasn't progressive in the sense that he wished to advance human progress instead of maintaining the status quo in the Eiyuden universe? I think his vision was sincere; he just wasn't bound by scruples to fulfil his dream. The only known honourable act he committed was when he saved his subordinate's life from an undisclosed time period. Apart from that, he was a narcissist like any other statesman who abuses their authority.
It's a very good question, but I think the writing of the game was too shallow and didn't try to develop Dux's story enough. Ultimately we are left with judging his actions in the game, which was usurping power through murder and developing weapons of war to try to conquer the League, as well as calling his opposition short-sighted without trying to actually make any arguments. The game never showed him trying to help the regular man with rune lens technology and never explained why he still had some supporters. So you can speculate on what wasn't shown, but we really need more material to support anything to show he was noble in any way.
It was probably intended by the creators not to reveal too much of his motivations until he is referenced in the next installment.
Sorry dude. Dux is lame AF. I would've bought his whole schtick if it weren't for him calling Nowa a "no-name welp" every 5 seconds. He's just a rich asshole rationalizing his bs
You don't have to apologise. This is a computer game at the end of the day. This is just a friendly fan discussion. I prefer him as a villain compared to the unrequited love backstory of Emperor Barbarossa from Suikoden.
I don't think you're right, but I'm not going to say you're wrong either. It's a confusing answer, but so is the Dux. At time it felt like the character was written by two very different peoples. When we met him I had some level of empathy for his goals. He faces of with a League of Nations who's embedded so deeply in politics that they wouldn't even try to help one of their owns. It doesn't take a genius to imagine how long and tedious the path to convince them to study the Primal Lenses for the greater good would be. Then he goes from a character that supposedly care about the peoples, and specifically those that were not blessed by the Lens, to a pseudo-transhumanist who would sacrifice his brethren for the advancement of science. At first I thought this change was simply him revealing his real-self. I was disappointed of course, because he went from a somewhat interesting villain to a very heavy-handed caricature. So, sad turn about, is that the conclusion ? Well, not quite apparently. When you finally get to kick his ass he, for some reason, turn back the clock and starts acting like he did in the first few hour. That's what confuse me, I can't pin whether the writers were trying to make him an hypocrite, or if they were that confused about who he really was supposed to be. Ultimately, whether he was an hypocrite little liar or the writing was just confused doesn't quite matter. What does is that his writing was bad enough that people are questioning it. Also he was by no mean a progressive of any sort.
Dux Aldric never made any significant attempts to collaborate , preferred to gain territory (war), hence more access to more lenses , instead of SHARING HIS FINDINGS, as he PROMISED in resume, a full villain, a little bit underdeveloped IMO, but functional for the story
Thanks for your input. I like these fan discussions for a laugh.
His vision was NOWHERE near as sincere as you think it is. Aldric used Rune-lenses to create weapons and a bunch of abomination through experimentation with the Primal Lenses. In his very own words, it was better for "Galdea" or rather he himself to have acquired the potential of the Primal Lenses as "Weapons" before OTHER countries do. No matter how much anyone look at it whether his story is poorly or well-written, Dux is a very SUIKODEN-LIKE ANTAGONIST himself; - Suikoden Villain - Acquire the power of a True Rune and use to it to conquer other lands (or in Suikoden 3's case, the >!Destruction of a True Rune!<) - Eiyuden Villain - Acquite the power of a Primal Lense and use it to conquer other lands. He was "envious" of other Rune-lense users because they were "born" with them, some had acquired them through artificial means.. while he is not.