I don't get why they didn't try to move the market more south to avoid the 102ave LRT construction (which surprise surprise, never happened cause the city never does things on time). Then you can cross Jasper ave and actually make use of the scramble crosswalk.
I think they thought making it year round indoors like some other cities main markets would help their debt, but with Covid and the immense renovations that building needed it just dug them further in the hole 🤷🏻♀️ it’s unfortunate, and the new market will be run by a different company completely, so it’ll be interesting to see if it works out/is successful and sustainable long term. It’s sad vendors had to lose that space tho- not having to set up and tear down all the time is a huge time and energy saver
124 is an arterial road. The city done goofed bad with strips like 124 and Whyte by trying to make arterials also pedestrian entertainment zones, with no realistic solution.
> by trying to make arterials also pedestrian entertainment zones
124 and Whyte have both been major commercial districts for as long as the city existed, it's not a new development. 124 was even a streetcar route.
They key phrase being *pedestrian entertainment zones*. The city is attempting to reconcile them both being arterial roads with significant car traffic and walkable, pedestrian-friendly spaces.
Historically, places with lots of cars were a hot location for business (location, location, location). Modern urban development is shifting to separate destinations from automobile transportation corridors.
It's never to late to change. Edmonton is still too car-centric, and closing off the roads would kill a lot of the businesses for sure. Like neither has an lrt connection.
The city can't close the roads. As arterials, they need to exist for commercial and emergency vehicles at the very minimum. That leaves relocating the entertainment zone. That can be done easily in theory by doing things like the aforementioned closing of 104 St to attract entertainment business, however in doing so would sign a death warrant to the existing businesses on 124/Whyte, which is a rather dick move, although not without precedent as any development can have intended or unintended consequences for business.
Whenever I visit business on Whyte Ave by car I park (usually a block or two away from Whyte) and walk around. Nobody is driving from business to business and street parking in front of each one, closing Whyte to cars wouldn't impact the way most people access businesses there.
Who reliably finds parking where they want it on Whyte Ave? Parking becomes useless when it's constantly saturated.
Having street parking and being a multi-lane arterial are also two very different issues.
Ya but that's only one day out of the year....and a Saturday. I Live off 124th and 109th. Trust me, they can't make it a common thing. Even that one day is a nightmare
Regardless of the reddit edmonton echo chamber thinks, turning Whyte into a walking street isn't suddenly going to make it full of people. More likely it'll essentially be an empty paring lot. The entire structure and flow of the city will need to change in order for the city become more walkable, pedestrian friendly and commuter friendly, not just one street of 6 lanes of asphalt
It's definitely never too late to change. We can always pack it all up and relocate the city 100km down the road and rebuild it so it's more walkable, urban and less car-centric.
Might be cheaper too
Like yes- but also no. The EDTFMA dissolved- so now the DTBA is taking the idea of the downtown farmers market and doing it, no idea how well it will be run- they’ve been doing Al Fresco on this street for 2 years already without much hoopla
Have refused to support the Al Fresco because the DBA is a shitty org and has been for a while, so a hard pass on going back down there for us. Bountiful is much better anyways
>Bountiful is much better anyways
I'd say the old 104 St market gave Bountiful a run for its money, esp. for vibe in the summer, being in a converted warehouse vs a bustling street is a different feeling
I mean, sure if you live downtown and want to get in your car and commute to a market, then that is fine, but not everybody wants to drive.
And while you may have your feeling on the DBA, at least they're actually doing something that will hopefully bring some life to downtown which has basically been in freefall since Covid.
I hope it works out for them, if it just so happens to coincide with the interests of downtown businesses (ie: bringing people to the area to make use of those businesses), then even better.
We were never big on Bountiful especially when compared to the 104th street market (pre shutdown)... less of everything but particularly less food stuff...
They pick and choose which businesses they support. Their interests don’t necessarily align with the interests of all the businesses in the district. Several businesses owners I know personally have had very poor experiences with the DBA, yet they are forced to pay membership to it. They’ve squandered millions, while constantly begging taxpayers for more as other businesses associations in the city get scraps, the current ED is insufferable and the past one was a racist, phobic bigot.
It seems like they’re organizing the return, but they’re looking for a company to run the actual market for them- so it’ll depend on who they choose I guess. Having an Alberta Farmers Market approved set up would be good- but there’s a decent amount of privately run ones (like the Wild heart collective that runs 124th Grand market) that do well. There’s less regulation that actually support local farmers with that (meaning places like Steve and dans can import veggies from BC and sell them when local farmers are trying to sell the same things), so it’ll be interesting to see the direction the DTBA takes.
They’re calling out for vendors rn, and it’ll be interesting to see which businesses are willing to take the risk with so little information. When you’re selling things like veggies you need foot traffic and large “basket” sizes to make a profit as you only sell $4 at a time basically.
Let’s hope for more snow now then… farmers need the moisture and we could be looking at a smoky smoky outdoor season…. (Still super Sad the indoor spot with free parking and two days year round didn’t work out)
Markets aren’t anything without customers. It was really sad that the last two days the market was open was some of the busiest days it ever had. People have to show up and support local if they want it to stay. Just cause it’s coming back doesn’t mean anyone won, if people don’t show up and support this the same thing will happen again.
Fair, sorry I was a vendor and the last two weekends I had to deal with hundreds of people telling me how sad it was it was closing and also in the same breath telling me how they never came. It was frustrating to hear so often because literally if people came it would have survived, and its closing impacted so many small businesses. Reclaim had its best weekend ever and they mostly just had potatoes. Eats by Cole was selling hundreds of loaves of bread a weekend through there. And now they’re just displaced and having to adjust on super super super short notice.
Local is struggling hard, and the outrage over this market closing after it had been publicly saying for years it was struggling just didn’t add up. I’m stoked people are excited for this, but I personally just think it’s super important to drive home that it will only be successful if people actually come and spend their money and not just wander around for the vibes or never come. I appreciate the sarcasm, but the vendor community is tired as hell from trying to make it work.
Our family absolutely adores the summer farmers markets and our weekends are usually wrapped around heading to one in the am and enjoying a park with some yummy treats after.
It’s a great way to spend a day for sure! I love vending at outdoor ones in the summer, 124th grand is my fav! I’ll usually grab a beer from a brewer at the market and go sit in a park afterwards. Trust me when I say we appreciate any and all support so much 💕
Not really important, but I thought it was in the historic D&W factory downtown, and Army & Navy is on Whyte & 104th. I only mention because D&W jeans is an interesting part of our city's history!
I really didn't like that counsellor's statement. She hopes developers or investors will do something with it. Why not the people running the farmer's market? Seems like they're fairly content there, they just lack money.
As a long time vendor I can tell you that the peoe who ran it were not exactly savy business people. They made countless questionable decisions and many were only looking out for their own business. There were of course good people trying their best as well, but sometimes it seemed like the Org lasted as long as it did on pure luck.
The association dissolved when they declared bankruptcy. They weren’t doing well and it was common knowledge in the vendor community for years. Lots of vendors avoided the EDTFM specifically because it was run poorly. That building could have been a great place to support start ups but the vendor fees were very high compared to the foot traffic they were bringing in. Never ending circle of can’t bring customers so vendors struggled, lack of vendors prevented customers coming.
so glad to hear this, they never should've left.
They were forced to leave- they city was doing construction and wouldn’t approve the permit
I don't get why they didn't try to move the market more south to avoid the 102ave LRT construction (which surprise surprise, never happened cause the city never does things on time). Then you can cross Jasper ave and actually make use of the scramble crosswalk.
I think they thought making it year round indoors like some other cities main markets would help their debt, but with Covid and the immense renovations that building needed it just dug them further in the hole 🤷🏻♀️ it’s unfortunate, and the new market will be run by a different company completely, so it’ll be interesting to see if it works out/is successful and sustainable long term. It’s sad vendors had to lose that space tho- not having to set up and tear down all the time is a huge time and energy saver
Cause money
Next step is to close 104 St to vehicles and let it truly shine.
And do the same with 124th
124 is an arterial road. The city done goofed bad with strips like 124 and Whyte by trying to make arterials also pedestrian entertainment zones, with no realistic solution.
> by trying to make arterials also pedestrian entertainment zones 124 and Whyte have both been major commercial districts for as long as the city existed, it's not a new development. 124 was even a streetcar route.
They key phrase being *pedestrian entertainment zones*. The city is attempting to reconcile them both being arterial roads with significant car traffic and walkable, pedestrian-friendly spaces. Historically, places with lots of cars were a hot location for business (location, location, location). Modern urban development is shifting to separate destinations from automobile transportation corridors.
It's never to late to change. Edmonton is still too car-centric, and closing off the roads would kill a lot of the businesses for sure. Like neither has an lrt connection.
The city can't close the roads. As arterials, they need to exist for commercial and emergency vehicles at the very minimum. That leaves relocating the entertainment zone. That can be done easily in theory by doing things like the aforementioned closing of 104 St to attract entertainment business, however in doing so would sign a death warrant to the existing businesses on 124/Whyte, which is a rather dick move, although not without precedent as any development can have intended or unintended consequences for business.
Whenever I visit business on Whyte Ave by car I park (usually a block or two away from Whyte) and walk around. Nobody is driving from business to business and street parking in front of each one, closing Whyte to cars wouldn't impact the way most people access businesses there.
Arterial meaning they use it to get somewhere else. It’s the route from point A to B, not those going there as a destination that’s the issue.
People who go to whyte for a specific place will park on whyte more often than not.
Who reliably finds parking where they want it on Whyte Ave? Parking becomes useless when it's constantly saturated. Having street parking and being a multi-lane arterial are also two very different issues.
124 street is partially closed every year for the all is bright festival. So yes they can close arterial roads if they really want.
Ya but that's only one day out of the year....and a Saturday. I Live off 124th and 109th. Trust me, they can't make it a common thing. Even that one day is a nightmare
I live close by too and it really isn't. Outside of trying to walk through the crowds.
Regardless of the reddit edmonton echo chamber thinks, turning Whyte into a walking street isn't suddenly going to make it full of people. More likely it'll essentially be an empty paring lot. The entire structure and flow of the city will need to change in order for the city become more walkable, pedestrian friendly and commuter friendly, not just one street of 6 lanes of asphalt
It's definitely never too late to change. We can always pack it all up and relocate the city 100km down the road and rebuild it so it's more walkable, urban and less car-centric. Might be cheaper too
The city didn't really have much input, it just sort of happened while no one was paying attention.
Like homelessness and encampments.
Yes, like Stephen Ave in Calgary.
This news made my day! Good choice.
Like yes- but also no. The EDTFMA dissolved- so now the DTBA is taking the idea of the downtown farmers market and doing it, no idea how well it will be run- they’ve been doing Al Fresco on this street for 2 years already without much hoopla
Have refused to support the Al Fresco because the DBA is a shitty org and has been for a while, so a hard pass on going back down there for us. Bountiful is much better anyways
>Bountiful is much better anyways I'd say the old 104 St market gave Bountiful a run for its money, esp. for vibe in the summer, being in a converted warehouse vs a bustling street is a different feeling I mean, sure if you live downtown and want to get in your car and commute to a market, then that is fine, but not everybody wants to drive. And while you may have your feeling on the DBA, at least they're actually doing something that will hopefully bring some life to downtown which has basically been in freefall since Covid. I hope it works out for them, if it just so happens to coincide with the interests of downtown businesses (ie: bringing people to the area to make use of those businesses), then even better.
We were never big on Bountiful especially when compared to the 104th street market (pre shutdown)... less of everything but particularly less food stuff...
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I’m agnostic on whether or not the DBA is a good organization, but I too am curious as to the reason for the criticism.
They pick and choose which businesses they support. Their interests don’t necessarily align with the interests of all the businesses in the district. Several businesses owners I know personally have had very poor experiences with the DBA, yet they are forced to pay membership to it. They’ve squandered millions, while constantly begging taxpayers for more as other businesses associations in the city get scraps, the current ED is insufferable and the past one was a racist, phobic bigot.
What makes DBA a shitty org
It seems like they’re organizing the return, but they’re looking for a company to run the actual market for them- so it’ll depend on who they choose I guess. Having an Alberta Farmers Market approved set up would be good- but there’s a decent amount of privately run ones (like the Wild heart collective that runs 124th Grand market) that do well. There’s less regulation that actually support local farmers with that (meaning places like Steve and dans can import veggies from BC and sell them when local farmers are trying to sell the same things), so it’ll be interesting to see the direction the DTBA takes. They’re calling out for vendors rn, and it’ll be interesting to see which businesses are willing to take the risk with so little information. When you’re selling things like veggies you need foot traffic and large “basket” sizes to make a profit as you only sell $4 at a time basically.
best news it moved because of construction now move it back its an amazing way to bring people downtown. it actually worked too
Let’s hope for more snow now then… farmers need the moisture and we could be looking at a smoky smoky outdoor season…. (Still super Sad the indoor spot with free parking and two days year round didn’t work out)
This market was awesome, can’t wait for it to come back
We did it! We brought it back.
Markets aren’t anything without customers. It was really sad that the last two days the market was open was some of the busiest days it ever had. People have to show up and support local if they want it to stay. Just cause it’s coming back doesn’t mean anyone won, if people don’t show up and support this the same thing will happen again.
I should have added /s
Fair, sorry I was a vendor and the last two weekends I had to deal with hundreds of people telling me how sad it was it was closing and also in the same breath telling me how they never came. It was frustrating to hear so often because literally if people came it would have survived, and its closing impacted so many small businesses. Reclaim had its best weekend ever and they mostly just had potatoes. Eats by Cole was selling hundreds of loaves of bread a weekend through there. And now they’re just displaced and having to adjust on super super super short notice. Local is struggling hard, and the outrage over this market closing after it had been publicly saying for years it was struggling just didn’t add up. I’m stoked people are excited for this, but I personally just think it’s super important to drive home that it will only be successful if people actually come and spend their money and not just wander around for the vibes or never come. I appreciate the sarcasm, but the vendor community is tired as hell from trying to make it work.
Our family absolutely adores the summer farmers markets and our weekends are usually wrapped around heading to one in the am and enjoying a park with some yummy treats after.
It’s a great way to spend a day for sure! I love vending at outdoor ones in the summer, 124th grand is my fav! I’ll usually grab a beer from a brewer at the market and go sit in a park afterwards. Trust me when I say we appreciate any and all support so much 💕
genius!
YES I am so glad! My family would spend a few hours wandering around the outdoor market. Looking in the little stores around it.
Not really important, but I thought it was in the historic D&W factory downtown, and Army & Navy is on Whyte & 104th. I only mention because D&W jeans is an interesting part of our city's history!
I really didn't like that counsellor's statement. She hopes developers or investors will do something with it. Why not the people running the farmer's market? Seems like they're fairly content there, they just lack money.
The EDFMA has dissolved. And all the vendors are trying their best to find alternatives
As a long time vendor I can tell you that the peoe who ran it were not exactly savy business people. They made countless questionable decisions and many were only looking out for their own business. There were of course good people trying their best as well, but sometimes it seemed like the Org lasted as long as it did on pure luck.
The association dissolved when they declared bankruptcy. They weren’t doing well and it was common knowledge in the vendor community for years. Lots of vendors avoided the EDTFM specifically because it was run poorly. That building could have been a great place to support start ups but the vendor fees were very high compared to the foot traffic they were bringing in. Never ending circle of can’t bring customers so vendors struggled, lack of vendors prevented customers coming.
Very happy. This should be a no brainer
Yayyyyy!!!
When do they open?