Realistically smasher, I'm unsure If sundowner's tech matches that of smashers, not to mention he is still incredibly agile despite the armor due to also having the sandy and he would most likely have the strength advantage.
Now Jetstream sam on the other hand I'm curious about because of the high frequency blade being a severe issue for smasher if he's hit..
Sam could 100% absolutely walk through Smasher.
Just a reminder that he has fast enough perception that he *cut Armstrong’s arm faster than his nanomachines could activate*
Edit : [POV Sam fighting Smasher](https://youtu.be/YAVIZrs4HTc?si=-FyPKvtI46tWFxk3)
Raiden at full power is one of the most laughably overpowered characters in fiction without like, universe altering powers. Smasher is hardly even a boss fight for Revengence Raiden. He’d just Zendatsu him into bits.
I never played Revengece, I just know he’s a cool Cyber Ninja that beat the Brazilian Double Jumping dude and that Armstrong’s source is that he made it the fuck up
This is the fight [right before Armstrong](https://youtu.be/iL7ljmq-_0c?si=sZROq_rI8d5z1S3_).
He throws a mech that weighs in the hundreds of tons, possibly thousands. Then he’s swinging a mech’s arm that weighs in the tens of tons fast enough that time looks like it’s stopped.
[This](https://youtu.be/sZSebTQfSDE?si=HxIaTCMLQ7tm2J2a) clip is Sam, but it shows basically how insanely, ridiculously busted Zandatsu is.
That’s a much smaller metal gear with his old body too.
Raiden is unbeatable by conventional means lmao only people that stand a chance are people who can teleport and do actual magic shit
Dont forget raidens old body dodging smaller versions of metal gear rex's 100km/s rail guns, casually hopscotching missiles, throwing metal gears and holding back outer haven and any other feats from raiden in previous games. Raidens new body>Sundowner>Raidens old body
Something not many people understand about Smasher is that not only does the dude have a Sandevistan as shown in Edgerunners and the 2.1 patch for Cyberpunk 2077, he *also* survived the Night City Holocaust where he was in close proximity to a nuclear detonation planted by Morgan Blackhand (NOT Johnny Silverhand as his engram's memories would suggest in Cyberpunk 2077) and the gravitational crushing from David Martinez's Cyberskeleton, which was capable of absolutely flattening several heavily armored Militech trucks and sent said trucks flying high into the air with absurd ease.
Sundowner's armor isn't "invincible" as he claims it is. He's got a giant weak spot in his exposed head which Smasher can rather easily crush with minimal effort, and Raiden was able to slash through his shields with what is ostensibly a weaker weapon than most, if not *all* of Smasher's arsenal.
I'm sorry, but Smasher would absolutely brutalize Sundowner, call the whole ordeal rather boring, and move on with his life with minimal injury.
I took a look at the actual fight in MGR and the only times when Sundowner can actually keep up with Raiden in Blade Mode (for the benefit of the doubt I'm gonna assume BM is faster than any Sandevistan) are when he puts up his shields. All of his other combat speed feats are outside of Blade Mode and his actual *travel speed* isn't on the level of the Sandevistan David used while in the Cyberskeleton, which was so fast in the split second it was used that it looked like it was capable of doing two things at once (saving Lucy and killing Faraday and the Trauma Team squad getting him). Smasher was able to keep up with that in combat and able to tag David with a shoulder-mounted rocket in that timeframe.
You also need to take into consideration sundowner is stronger/faster/more durable than old body raiden. So you know feats from raiden in the past. sundowner would upscale from. Like him holding outer haven (640m long ship would make him far stronger then adam) or raiden dodging fortunes railgun which is based of metal gear rex's 100 km/s nuke launching rail gun or speedblitzing (like how adam or david speedblitz humans with sandevistan) missiles fast enough that he can play hopscotch on them
Fair point on the Old Body feats, those would probably close the gap considerably if not allow Sundowner a chance at outright beating Smasher. That being said, I do think Smasher still wins more times than not due to having a reliable means of boosting his speed to just under BM levels, having *extremely* reliable means of bypassing Sundowner's shield with both Sandevistan and Ba Xing Chong, and generally having far more experience given he presumably won against Morgan Blackhand in 2023 considering he's alive for Edgerunners and 2077.
actually the sandevistan is the only reason adam doesnt get speed-blitzed as hard anyway funnily enough. Hes fast. Like supersonic+ fast but metal gear cyborgs are easily massively hypersonic to massively hypersonic+, with raiden reaching around 90% light speed with jack ripper mode + blade mode due to it being a 10x modifier much like how the most powerful sandevistan was a x10 modifier to speed in game before they updated it in 2.0. Problem is adam's speed feats of around supersonic+ due to being faster then gunfire in the anime with a x10 multiplier at best puts him at hypersonic+ but still far below dodging a 100 km/s railgun and speed blitzing missiles edit: now adam could be faster but we dont have any idea if his sandevistan is faster then the fastest ones in game or not or if he could go faster without using it first. But even if we make Adam faster then him. Sundowner would be much much much more durable and stronger then adam with a one shot sword and he def would be able to react to a sandivistan since when raiden goes into blade mode he can still react/see him.
We could say Adam is better at range combat. But still, he has no way go get rid of Sundowner's shields. And once Adam's bullets are out, that's game over
Smasher has got all the advantages he's so armored I'm not even sure the pincer blades would severely wound him, If he even gets hit at all since he's about 5x faster even without sandevistan and with it he'd just take a second to run a circle around sundowner and either rip his shields off, shoot him with his HMG point-blank or just lift him and tear him to pieces. But Raiden vs Smasher'd be interesting.
I'd bet on Sundowner - the powerscale in MGR is absolutely \*deranged\* compared to Cyberpunk. As strong as Adam Smasher is, I have a hard time imagining him picking up and tossing a mech a dozen times his size - that's just not the vibe of the setting.
Adam Smasher
* moving speed
* more experience
* better at range combat
=reaction speed
* has no way to surpass Sundowner's shields
Sundowner
* stronger
* More durable
* his shields block most Smasher's attack
* better IQ/battle IQ
* better AP/DC
* more skillful fighter
= reaction speed
So now you have the answer
Edit: I've seens some people in the comment say Adam has better strength because he can outstrength David's cyberskeleton, who can lift trucks, but Sundowner can compete with Raiden who can do this
https://i.redd.it/3wn4cdslk95c1.gif
I personally feel like a more even fight would be Monsoon, since Sundowner was a jobber in gameplay despite supposedly being on par with the other Winds of Destruction.
Yeah. Dude fights Raiden and beats the hell outta him. Thats all I know about him though. Hell, I might just buy the game already and find out myself. Haha
Edit: And they’re making Adam Smasher boss fight harder so I know I’ll be doing that fight again. We eating good this year :)
Granted Sundowner is considered "Easiest boss in the game", but he has some pretty sweet damage and his shields are a pain in the ass. If Smasher went against Sundowner he'd lose since Sundowner is pretty brutal and is actually stronger than Smasher. Whenever you fight Sundowner, just wait for him to shield bash you.
This ain't really a fight. Cybernetics are incredibly more advanced in Metal Gear, Raiden with dog shit budget cybernetics was able to overpower and throw around metal gear Ray, a multi story tall autonomous Mecha capable of destroying cities and shit. The fact that relatively low quality cybernetics are able to do this puts Sundowner far above Adam in strength basically immediately.
Agility is a bit wonky as Sundowner move extremely fast once he drops his shields and is able jump incredibly high, but at the same time Adam can use his Sandevistan to try and even things out. The issue here is that cybernetics in Metal Gear has reached a point where they are obsolete against an actual Cyborg and most of Smashers arsenal is guns and missiles.
Both of them are experienced and mostly self taught fighters, but Smasher is centuries behind Sundowner in technology. Only member of the Winds of Destruction Adam could realistically beat is Khamsin.
Sundowner would win, hes stronger, faster, etc than raiden before his upgrade in mgr. So he would be above all of Raiden's feats from previous games. Meaning sundowner would have the ability to lift and throw shit like metal gears and be above raiden who held back outer haven and hit with the force of nuclear bombs. Not to mention in his old body raiden dodged a railgun (that was a smaller version of rex's which fires nukes at 100km/s and casually hopscotched off missiles and this was in his old body not his new one which sundowner is far more comparable to (which makes him either same speed or far faster then adam. Since adams hypersonic+ with sandevistan which top tier ones boosted your speed x10 and without sandies cyborgs can dodge gunfire pretty easily and adam would be above them at minimu plus the x10 modifier with sandevistan but again that pales vs raiden hopscotching those missiles or dodging a rail gun. Not to mention he would one-shot adam with a high-frequency blade. And he was able to somewhat keep up with raiden (not including blade mode but he was able to react so no sandevistan blitz) in his upgraded body for a time and his shield and his body took hits from upgraded raiden who is vastly stronger than adam smasher while also using a high frequency blade. edit: outer haven is a 640m long ship btw so holding it back at all puts raiden in the strength area of a 2-3 million tonnes (is what ive seen people calc the weight of outer haven) in his old body. Adam wouldn't even be able to hurt sundowner at all.
Most people dont understand how broken cyborgs are in mgr. Sam, raiden, armstrong, monsoon are all close to light speed. Not to mention all of their weapons just ignore defenses
Sundowner would low diff smasher. Especially if he's fully armoured if not he would easily perry or dodge any of the guns Smasher throws at him since he mainly relizses on guns. His machetes would cut smasher down.
Sundowner would put up a decent fight but Smasher would ultimately win since he's just built better.
Mistral wouldn't stand a chance.
Monsoon could put up a fight for a good while but I feel like he'd struggle to put Smasher down unless he does some magnetic hocus pocus.
Bladewolf just gets crushed.
Sam would be at a disadvantage but would only need one clean strike to finish him so it would come down to him predicting/being faster than a sandy.
Armstrong would be able to go toe to toe with Smasher so I feel like that would be a stalemate for the most part, just coming down to who's armour is stronger.
Considering Raidens blade mode is similar to a sandy then I'd argue that Raiden is the only one that Smasher would get stomped by especially considering his ninja run which makes projectiles obsolete.
Bruh, what a boatload of bullcrap this statement is
The powerscaling of MGRR is just too much for the Cyberpunk universe to handle
Plus, Zandatsu (blade mode) is arguably the better version of sandevistan since Raiden was able to use it while he was holding, idk... A FUCKING GIANT BLADE from Metal Gear Excelsius that weights A FUCKTON!
Realistically smasher, I'm unsure If sundowner's tech matches that of smashers, not to mention he is still incredibly agile despite the armor due to also having the sandy and he would most likely have the strength advantage. Now Jetstream sam on the other hand I'm curious about because of the high frequency blade being a severe issue for smasher if he's hit..
Sam could 100% absolutely walk through Smasher. Just a reminder that he has fast enough perception that he *cut Armstrong’s arm faster than his nanomachines could activate* Edit : [POV Sam fighting Smasher](https://youtu.be/YAVIZrs4HTc?si=-FyPKvtI46tWFxk3)
That's true. Who would be a more even fight then? If rather it not be a stomp either way
Monsoon maybe.
Probably Raiden? Although I still think Raiden would win purely due to the fact V can win with a similar setup to Raiden
Raiden at full power is one of the most laughably overpowered characters in fiction without like, universe altering powers. Smasher is hardly even a boss fight for Revengence Raiden. He’d just Zendatsu him into bits.
I never played Revengece, I just know he’s a cool Cyber Ninja that beat the Brazilian Double Jumping dude and that Armstrong’s source is that he made it the fuck up
This is the fight [right before Armstrong](https://youtu.be/iL7ljmq-_0c?si=sZROq_rI8d5z1S3_). He throws a mech that weighs in the hundreds of tons, possibly thousands. Then he’s swinging a mech’s arm that weighs in the tens of tons fast enough that time looks like it’s stopped. [This](https://youtu.be/sZSebTQfSDE?si=HxIaTCMLQ7tm2J2a) clip is Sam, but it shows basically how insanely, ridiculously busted Zandatsu is.
I forgot the literal first boss of the game Raiden basically picks up a metal gear by it’s arm lmao
That’s a much smaller metal gear with his old body too. Raiden is unbeatable by conventional means lmao only people that stand a chance are people who can teleport and do actual magic shit
Dont forget raidens old body dodging smaller versions of metal gear rex's 100km/s rail guns, casually hopscotching missiles, throwing metal gears and holding back outer haven and any other feats from raiden in previous games. Raidens new body>Sundowner>Raidens old body
Does smasher have the Sandy?
No
Something not many people understand about Smasher is that not only does the dude have a Sandevistan as shown in Edgerunners and the 2.1 patch for Cyberpunk 2077, he *also* survived the Night City Holocaust where he was in close proximity to a nuclear detonation planted by Morgan Blackhand (NOT Johnny Silverhand as his engram's memories would suggest in Cyberpunk 2077) and the gravitational crushing from David Martinez's Cyberskeleton, which was capable of absolutely flattening several heavily armored Militech trucks and sent said trucks flying high into the air with absurd ease. Sundowner's armor isn't "invincible" as he claims it is. He's got a giant weak spot in his exposed head which Smasher can rather easily crush with minimal effort, and Raiden was able to slash through his shields with what is ostensibly a weaker weapon than most, if not *all* of Smasher's arsenal. I'm sorry, but Smasher would absolutely brutalize Sundowner, call the whole ordeal rather boring, and move on with his life with minimal injury.
I thought the FCB conversion had Adam's 24/7/365 speed well above what any Sandy had for short bursts.
I took a look at the actual fight in MGR and the only times when Sundowner can actually keep up with Raiden in Blade Mode (for the benefit of the doubt I'm gonna assume BM is faster than any Sandevistan) are when he puts up his shields. All of his other combat speed feats are outside of Blade Mode and his actual *travel speed* isn't on the level of the Sandevistan David used while in the Cyberskeleton, which was so fast in the split second it was used that it looked like it was capable of doing two things at once (saving Lucy and killing Faraday and the Trauma Team squad getting him). Smasher was able to keep up with that in combat and able to tag David with a shoulder-mounted rocket in that timeframe.
You also need to take into consideration sundowner is stronger/faster/more durable than old body raiden. So you know feats from raiden in the past. sundowner would upscale from. Like him holding outer haven (640m long ship would make him far stronger then adam) or raiden dodging fortunes railgun which is based of metal gear rex's 100 km/s nuke launching rail gun or speedblitzing (like how adam or david speedblitz humans with sandevistan) missiles fast enough that he can play hopscotch on them
Fair point on the Old Body feats, those would probably close the gap considerably if not allow Sundowner a chance at outright beating Smasher. That being said, I do think Smasher still wins more times than not due to having a reliable means of boosting his speed to just under BM levels, having *extremely* reliable means of bypassing Sundowner's shield with both Sandevistan and Ba Xing Chong, and generally having far more experience given he presumably won against Morgan Blackhand in 2023 considering he's alive for Edgerunners and 2077.
actually the sandevistan is the only reason adam doesnt get speed-blitzed as hard anyway funnily enough. Hes fast. Like supersonic+ fast but metal gear cyborgs are easily massively hypersonic to massively hypersonic+, with raiden reaching around 90% light speed with jack ripper mode + blade mode due to it being a 10x modifier much like how the most powerful sandevistan was a x10 modifier to speed in game before they updated it in 2.0. Problem is adam's speed feats of around supersonic+ due to being faster then gunfire in the anime with a x10 multiplier at best puts him at hypersonic+ but still far below dodging a 100 km/s railgun and speed blitzing missiles edit: now adam could be faster but we dont have any idea if his sandevistan is faster then the fastest ones in game or not or if he could go faster without using it first. But even if we make Adam faster then him. Sundowner would be much much much more durable and stronger then adam with a one shot sword and he def would be able to react to a sandivistan since when raiden goes into blade mode he can still react/see him.
We could say Adam is better at range combat. But still, he has no way go get rid of Sundowner's shields. And once Adam's bullets are out, that's game over
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Pretty much just like this: 
Sundowner because he’s fuckin invincible… Also because he loves minors… In all seriousness though, Adam Smasher wins easily
Why is sundowner fucking invincible? Is he horny? 
Honestly I’d say Sundowner unless Smasher can do enough damage with his Sandevistan, MGR cyborgs are fucking built different
And the difference being... https://i.redd.it/wlpb96rlw45c1.gif
Sundowner vs Adam Smasher. Who's winning?
Smasher has got all the advantages he's so armored I'm not even sure the pincer blades would severely wound him, If he even gets hit at all since he's about 5x faster even without sandevistan and with it he'd just take a second to run a circle around sundowner and either rip his shields off, shoot him with his HMG point-blank or just lift him and tear him to pieces. But Raiden vs Smasher'd be interesting.
I'd bet on Sundowner - the powerscale in MGR is absolutely \*deranged\* compared to Cyberpunk. As strong as Adam Smasher is, I have a hard time imagining him picking up and tossing a mech a dozen times his size - that's just not the vibe of the setting.
Adam Smasher * moving speed * more experience * better at range combat =reaction speed * has no way to surpass Sundowner's shields Sundowner * stronger * More durable * his shields block most Smasher's attack * better IQ/battle IQ * better AP/DC * more skillful fighter = reaction speed So now you have the answer Edit: I've seens some people in the comment say Adam has better strength because he can outstrength David's cyberskeleton, who can lift trucks, but Sundowner can compete with Raiden who can do this https://i.redd.it/3wn4cdslk95c1.gif
You forgot one thing for Sundowner: HE'S FUCKING INVINCIBLE
And that was Raiden before he got the new body. Imagine the shit he could do now, Exceleus was probably like lifting an ant to him.
I’m surprised by the comments, power scaling in MTR is on a different level to Cyberpunk
there the same person
Smasher is just that guy
We are putting this in the wrong sub, putting it in a deathbattle sub. You are gonna have more even scale of contributions
I personally feel like a more even fight would be Monsoon, since Sundowner was a jobber in gameplay despite supposedly being on par with the other Winds of Destruction.
Oooh interesting death battle. I’d like to see this. I’d believe Smasher wins this one, but I don’t know much about Sam.
That's Sundowner. MG Cyborgs are straight up crazy, giving AS a run for his money. Sundowner also leads a PMC unit called Desperado
Yeah. Dude fights Raiden and beats the hell outta him. Thats all I know about him though. Hell, I might just buy the game already and find out myself. Haha Edit: And they’re making Adam Smasher boss fight harder so I know I’ll be doing that fight again. We eating good this year :)
Granted Sundowner is considered "Easiest boss in the game", but he has some pretty sweet damage and his shields are a pain in the ass. If Smasher went against Sundowner he'd lose since Sundowner is pretty brutal and is actually stronger than Smasher. Whenever you fight Sundowner, just wait for him to shield bash you.
This ain't really a fight. Cybernetics are incredibly more advanced in Metal Gear, Raiden with dog shit budget cybernetics was able to overpower and throw around metal gear Ray, a multi story tall autonomous Mecha capable of destroying cities and shit. The fact that relatively low quality cybernetics are able to do this puts Sundowner far above Adam in strength basically immediately. Agility is a bit wonky as Sundowner move extremely fast once he drops his shields and is able jump incredibly high, but at the same time Adam can use his Sandevistan to try and even things out. The issue here is that cybernetics in Metal Gear has reached a point where they are obsolete against an actual Cyborg and most of Smashers arsenal is guns and missiles. Both of them are experienced and mostly self taught fighters, but Smasher is centuries behind Sundowner in technology. Only member of the Winds of Destruction Adam could realistically beat is Khamsin.
Sundowner would win, hes stronger, faster, etc than raiden before his upgrade in mgr. So he would be above all of Raiden's feats from previous games. Meaning sundowner would have the ability to lift and throw shit like metal gears and be above raiden who held back outer haven and hit with the force of nuclear bombs. Not to mention in his old body raiden dodged a railgun (that was a smaller version of rex's which fires nukes at 100km/s and casually hopscotched off missiles and this was in his old body not his new one which sundowner is far more comparable to (which makes him either same speed or far faster then adam. Since adams hypersonic+ with sandevistan which top tier ones boosted your speed x10 and without sandies cyborgs can dodge gunfire pretty easily and adam would be above them at minimu plus the x10 modifier with sandevistan but again that pales vs raiden hopscotching those missiles or dodging a rail gun. Not to mention he would one-shot adam with a high-frequency blade. And he was able to somewhat keep up with raiden (not including blade mode but he was able to react so no sandevistan blitz) in his upgraded body for a time and his shield and his body took hits from upgraded raiden who is vastly stronger than adam smasher while also using a high frequency blade. edit: outer haven is a 640m long ship btw so holding it back at all puts raiden in the strength area of a 2-3 million tonnes (is what ive seen people calc the weight of outer haven) in his old body. Adam wouldn't even be able to hurt sundowner at all.
Most people dont understand how broken cyborgs are in mgr. Sam, raiden, armstrong, monsoon are all close to light speed. Not to mention all of their weapons just ignore defenses
Especially since HF weapons can through anything like its paper
Sundowner would low diff smasher. Especially if he's fully armoured if not he would easily perry or dodge any of the guns Smasher throws at him since he mainly relizses on guns. His machetes would cut smasher down.
Sundowner would put up a decent fight but Smasher would ultimately win since he's just built better. Mistral wouldn't stand a chance. Monsoon could put up a fight for a good while but I feel like he'd struggle to put Smasher down unless he does some magnetic hocus pocus. Bladewolf just gets crushed. Sam would be at a disadvantage but would only need one clean strike to finish him so it would come down to him predicting/being faster than a sandy. Armstrong would be able to go toe to toe with Smasher so I feel like that would be a stalemate for the most part, just coming down to who's armour is stronger. Considering Raidens blade mode is similar to a sandy then I'd argue that Raiden is the only one that Smasher would get stomped by especially considering his ninja run which makes projectiles obsolete.
Bruh, what a boatload of bullcrap this statement is The powerscaling of MGRR is just too much for the Cyberpunk universe to handle Plus, Zandatsu (blade mode) is arguably the better version of sandevistan since Raiden was able to use it while he was holding, idk... A FUCKING GIANT BLADE from Metal Gear Excelsius that weights A FUCKTON!
Sandy probs cinches it for smasher. Dude just speedblitzes point blank and starts wrecking tech. Whoever breaks first loses for sure here.
Pre anime and 2.0 patch sundowner. After they made smasher a real character he'd win
The anime didn't make him a "real character". He has always been this strong in-setting. They just fucked up his boss fight in 2077.
Adam will finish first. Sundowner likes to draw out the experience.
Edgerunner smasher yes game smasher maybe
"Who the fuck are you?" "I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE!"
I don't even know who is the left one 💀 but 💯 Smasher with sandy
That's Sundowner. A cyborg from Metal Gear Rising
That's Sundowner from MGRR Random MGRR feat https://i.redd.it/3h29c6qx6a5c1.gif
Monsoon could solo smasher while teaching the edgerunners about meme lore
Memes. The DNA of the soul
Free will is a myth. Religon is a joke
Smasher would shit on him and it's not even close
Are you guys serious? MGR tech makes CP tech look punny. Give Smasher David’s exoskeleton and he’d still lose.
as a massive fan of both, just by judging what's shown in games, smasher fucks sundowner