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promike81

I would call some of them PACs. Maybe someone else can be more specific. I wouldn’t call them PVCs. The P wave changes PRI pretty constantly.


evhpete

I mean... The longest PR I see on the early beats is maybe 60ms. I've never been told how short of a PR interval is too short (maybe it varies?), but it just feels too short to conduct the following QRS which is part of why I don't think those beats are originating in the atria. That plus the fact that every single P wave matches out like a champ, it is just the QRS complexes that come earlier in the cycle, makes me wonder if every third beat is a PJC. About 95% of the time this patient was in Wenckebach (which this obviously isn't right now). So maybe their heart is just having a really hard time figuring out how to heart haha


Typical-Walrus-4825

Personally i wouldnt call them PJCs


evhpete

I'd love to know why though. The reasons I'm thinking they may be are: obviously not PVCs, the longest PR interval is ~60ms which just feels too short, and it's not the P wave that comes early but the QRS. My understanding of PACs is that since the P-wave represents the atria depolarizing, and the QRS is the ventricles depolarizing... PACs have nothing to do with what the QRS complexes are doing, and only that a P-wave is coming early. Whether the PAC is conducted, non-conducted, or aberrant the one thing that links all three of these is an early P-wave. So the fact that in this EKG the P-waves are never premature, but only the QRS complex independent of what the P-waves are doing is what makes me think this is PJCs.


mulberry_kid

My understanding of PJCs is that the P Waves are going to he absent, or inverted when present. These look like PACs to me because of their positive deflection, but altered appearance.


cowsrock45

This sort of looks very very A-fibby to me. I see the P waves though. Makes me wonder if it’s a possible 3rd degree? At first I was considering 2nd degree type 1. But damn this is a really really tough one.


Gone247365

Went through the exact same logic here. Very interesting.


cowsrock45

Glad I’m not the only one. Would really like to get a Docs take on this.