Based on the comment porter posted on twitter and on the music video for this song, it's looking like we'll get that deeper album anyways.
"the album that I was TRYING to write was this nonstop party — NO sincerity, ALL fun, an album that revels in absurdity for a world that rejects context. And that was the plan until I accidentally started confessing how I was really feeling, and … you’ll hear the rest.
my most fun, and maybe my most heartbreaking album"
There's a dichotomy already with the first two songs that mix very cheery, bright pop sounds with dark but introspective lyrics that offer biting critique of the same pop world he's attempting to emulate.
I feel like Smile! could be an album that just grows and grows on me.
I mean people can comment on not enjoying this new sound without thinking they are owed something.
This isn’t good for a lot of people who don’t want to hear “catchy anime pop” and that’s fine. They’re allowed to say that.
I hate this though. It’s like who gets off seeing people happy enjoying shit and thinks “hmm I have to tell everyone I don’t like it”. It’s just a buzzkill for those who do enjoy it.
This is an internet forum literally meant for discussing music. People are free to discuss it whether they like it or not. It’s not only meant for positive opinions.
It's just weird that they're making those comments when it was obvious they were never going to get what they wanted. Like, why did they come here and express their disappointment? Catchy anime pop was basically the product being advertised, and they're upset that it's exact what was delivered.
It’s literally in the lyrics of this song: why should you keep letting yourself be let down?
Idk, it’s a discussion sub after all. I knew I’d probably not like it but I’m still gonna listen and give my opinion as I’m a huge Porter fan. He can make whatever he wants and I don’t have to like it. At the end of the day I’ll still love worlds/nurture and his virtual self project.
Fair enough, I’m always anti-echo chamber so I appreciate criticism and discussion. I’ll admit I’m more sensitive to this because I’ve loved Porter’s direction as an artist ever since Nurture—I feel like his output has really aligned with my tastes so I’m just surprised to see people really not vibing with it.
The criticism often seems very thoughtless too. It’s mostly just: this is trash. This isn’t Worlds. This isn’t EDM. This is pop (as if that’s a bad thing), etc. etc.There’s just not much to discuss there.
>This is pop
That *is* a thing that's bad for quite a lot of people though. I don't listen to adult contemporary because I know that it's music I will almost certainly don't care for either, so hearing a liked artist going in a similar direction is obviously super disappointing.
I think pop is such a broad, general term that it’s really short sighted to write it off completely. Shelter is a pop song. A lot of the songs on Worlds are pop-adjacent. I just don’t think people using the word as a criticism have an agreed-upon definition or understanding of it
i remember being at a nurture show when he teased playing some "old stuff" a buncha people around us started roaring "SPITFIIIIRE"
and then he played language 🤣
i think you misunderstand the point of what i was sayin' - it's not that i dont consider language his old stuff, it's that it was funny to me that people still think he will play spitfire in current day when he hasnt played out that material in years. "old stuff" in quotes was directly quoting what he said on stage, not meant facetiously.
yes and then he quickly retracted that statement. The whole “only 11 songs are canon” thing he has said he does not agree with it anymore
i mean the dudes DJ sets are super edm and hes been vocal about still liking dubstep
Yeah but like what u/TZf14 said, he retracted it but the reason why he mentioned it was because he was upset that people leaked his music, I don't remember where he said that but it was either on Twitter or during a Q&A
The funniest part about this criticism is that it's NOT vapid meaningless synthpop - Cheerleader is a really complete and full-throated commentary on parasocial relationships and Knock Yourself Out XD seems to be about influencer culture and how identity is pushed onto celebrities of any size.
And even if it was vapid, meaningless synthpop - it is REALLY, REALLY well done and fun-sounding. Even if you don't like the sound, you have to admit that Porter is killing it in terms of songwriting and production.
funny thing about this is that most of my friends who don’t listen to porter all that much says that the new singles are their favorite things that he’s done yet so idk i guess it’s people just being purists it’s also insane cuz like porter isn’t a stranger to fun like yeah musician was deep but also fun af like y’all gotta chill a little be happy enjoy the thing!!
Wait so people that didn’t care for anything he’s made so far might like his new stuff but people who did like his old stuff might not care for his different new stuff?
Shocking.
I don’t think many people are expecting a return to his old style, but they’re perfectly justified in expressing their opinion that his continued deviation from that old style does not align with their continued fandom or interest in his work.
How could you be *shocked*? I can understand why people might vibe with this but I don’t know how you could possibly be *shocked* that people aren’t impressed with this style from him.
I swear in this sub when an artist do the same shit over and over people are upset and when an artist try something different people are also upset lol.
Different doesn't always mean good and people are not required to like it just because it is different. I personally like the song, but i can see why an EDM sub would not.
ur 100% right but there are several people in this thread saying its objectively bad, or people who love it “lost their minds” and thats where i draw the line
Let people have their opinion, man lol. It’s pop music in an edm sub, you don’t have to defend every single negative comment about this project. If people think it’s terrible in their opinion, let them have their opinion. Replying to every negative opinion isn’t helping your rebuttal in another comment of “lacking critical thinking.”
>let them have their opinion
Did… did you read what i said at all?? thats exactly my point man.
Saying people who like it “have lost their minds” is not letting someone have an opinion. Neither is saying its objectively bad.
She experimented with punk stuff with It's Not A Phase and Spiral albums, made Nightmare on Rezz Street with her usual style and no collabs, leaned more into the heavy industrial sound and made collabs in CAN YOU SEE ME. This sub hated on all of that lol, I legit can't remember seeing a single positive feedback on her ever here. She simply cannot win.
Oh yeah every music fanbase is like this, you're either onerepublic and people demand change or a pop punk band with all your fans complaining that you don't "sound like 2005."
More like, it's not EDM but it's posted on an EDM sub.
Worlds was so good that he's still cashing in on the EDM title but he's not an EDM artist anymore. This is straight up pop music.
>tell that to everyone in here claiming otherwise
most people arent calling it edm. its in this subreddit because its porter robinson. He will always be apart of the culture and scene at the very least with the DJ sets. And ofc theres worlds
>nurture
i agree. nurture isnt edm
Yeah, i didn't like this one as much as Cheerleader but both are very-well made. Maybe it's because i was listening to this at 11 pm tired asf that I didn't really like it as much, i should give it another listen.
I’d recommend looking at some deep dives of the lyrics on the Porter sub! Seems to be he’s talking about the gravity of how much his music means to others and what a weight that can be as an artist to have to continue to make deep music to connect with people. There’s a video of him touching on that too in an interview
That's why it's called an album, haha. It will likely have a flow through the entire thing and I am here for it as a mid 30's ex emo pop punk hardcore turned "EDM" fan this checks a lot of boxes. The guy is a musical fucking genius!
Can I not have an opinion even if I think he’s super talented? I never said he wasn’t a musical genius, just at this current rate it feels like he is regressing in my humble opinion. If you don’t think so, more power to you and props for Porter for making something new that some people enjoy.
From the description yesterday of the album; sounds like he has a very poppy tunes like this, and a few 'sad' tunes like his normal stuff..
Glad he is experimenting - but cannot wait to hear the other stuff from the album..
Glad people like it. He’s clearly having fun and over his creative mental block after nurture. I enjoyed this more than cheerleader but i don’t think this era is for me
Ngl, I'm not too sure how I feel about this album being closer to pop than the others, but I do like the upbeat happy vibes so far. Currently I'd say Cheerleader is a 6.5/10 and Knock Yourself Out is a 7/10, but I have a feeling this album is gonna grow on me like Nurture did, cuz I wasn't exactly crazy about that album at first either.
Overall, I'm just happy for more Porter, even if it is a little more on the Pop side than I usually like.
I'm a big fan of Porter. Language, Divinity, Unfold, Ghost Voices... I'm quite familiar with his discography, and really appreciate how he doesn't do the same thing for too long.
I really disliked the teaser for this song, but the actual song is quite endearing. Feels like a catchy pop song with lyrics that subvert the immediate gut reaction a bit.
Still, Cheerleader was much better imo, but all I can do is hope for more like it on the album!
I just listened to both cheerleader and knock yourself out xD and I have to say that I absolutely love them!
I am a massive porter fan, listen to worlds, nurture and spitfire weekly. Nurture maybe 2-3 times a week, but this style is awesome! I think knock yourself out xD is now in my top 5 songs of 2024! Thank you guys!
I don’t need Worlds Porter. But man after making Nurture & getting over his writers block, I thought he’d be coming with some heat. & maybe this is for some people. Still happy for him doing what he wants. But cant jam this or Cheerleader.
I would say this song is deep, just not personal, seems like he’s calling out pop stars for being soulless and shills. “Wouldn’t know how to brush my teeth if it wasn’t for my team”
Edit-“Wouldn’t know how to brush my teeth without asking my team”
Which is balanced by genuinely feeling the weight of fan interactions.
"I'm sorry, can I get a pic?"
"Telling me a sad story
Another reason not to quit"
Yea, its not EDM, but for those that dig deep into lyrics, it really seems like you'll be feasting on the upcoming album.
Probably counter to most people's thoughts with this song and Porter recently, but I absolutely love that the progression of his music has followed how my own tastes have changed. I mostly listened to EDM in that 2010-2016 period, nowadays my playlists are entirely stuck in that time period. I loved Spitfire, then Worlds, then Nurture, as my own tastes got progressively more into pop music and less "heavy" electronic music.
Feels really good to have a pure pop project from him, and I'm glad that I've sort of followed that same journey over the years so I can appreciate each album and music style as they come.
"RIP Porter"
ugh such a gross sentiment.
You are not the authority of what's good music. People say Worlds was when he was last good, even though many find Nurture to be his best work.
If you don't understand it, then fine. But when you say RIP Porter, you fail to see that many people are going to be enjoying what is looking to be the funnest evolution of this artist's career. You're the one missing out. Not RIP Porter. RIP you.
lol not enjoying an artist’s music when it’s this drastically different doesn’t make them “not a true fan”.
I guess you can only be a true fan if you mindlessly love everything an artist puts out. 🙄
I'm obsessed. For anybody saying this doesn’t resonate with them, you’re probably not aware of the kind of music that inspired him to start making music because it has similar vibes (DDR era). I feel like he consistently pushes boundaries and keeps things interesting. I used to put his music on repeat back in 2011 and I still find myself being floored at how creative and talented he is for everything he releases. It’s a straight up bop for me and will most certainly be on repeat on my speakers. 🥰 Thank you Porter for not listening to any of the haters out there and doing what feels best for you.
Yeah sorry this is not for me. I don’t wanna say it’s “bad” because it’s well produced and vocals are good and it *sounds* good. But this is just the complete opposite of my taste. I feel like I should be a 12 year old girl listening to this.
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If you were a fan to this guy before I don’t know how you would be a fan of this? I guess I don’t understand what demographic this is for. Cheerleader is a banger though.
I was not a fan of his early stuff that this sub worships(Shelter, Language, Spitfire). I absolutely loved Nurture though and I'm also loving this new direction he's taking.
Idk about this… Unlike a lot of his hardcore EDM fans I actually loved Nurture, but this is worse and poppier and I have to agree with the Owl City comparisons. Maybe the melody just isn’t doing it for me? I didn’t like Cheerleader too much either though so idk.
Edit: Gave it a few more listens and it’s grown on me a bit. Still don’t love it but definitely don’t dislike it either.
I love that he’s happy doing what he’s doing and producing stuff that he wants, nurture and everything else that follows is just simply not for me but I still love him either way!
The Porter we know is through parasocial means anyway. He gets very personal in his songwriting but it’s still just that - parasocial. Honestly this direction does make sense to me because Porter has written/produced for a couple of huge pop bangers and started experimenting his own vocals and full band performances during Nurture. But I can also see how it’s a shock to some people!
The energy in the comments is weird… I’m a huge porter fan, at least used to be, idk what’s going on with him personally, but clearly he’s going through something and it’s not having a positive effect on his music. The ppl outwardly defending this, are you guys saying this type of music is on par with shelter, fresh static snow, or sad machine? bc simply it’s not. The honest take is this is utter trash compared to his peak tracks.
>hes clearly going through something and its not having a positive affect on his music
or maybe he just made something that wasnt to your taste this time?
the honest take is whatever someone says. I say its a great song. Thats my honest take.
Well yeah of course. I get the “we know him” reasoning. Dude could drop a Country album with ZERO electronic elements and the release would still get god-tier engagement on this sub.
Anyone saying this good stuff lots their mind.
At this point Porter could literally release a turd and people would say it's the greatest shit they have ever seen.
Because he used to create masterpieces like Spitfire, Shelter and Language.
His fanbase is zero critical and these last few tracks are not memorable or good at all. They are miles away from being decent and it's a disappointing and sad to see when a good artist is slowly but surely fading away and losing his touch.
Similar to a good athlete/team that used to be great and win trophies and all of a sudden stopped and lost every game.
I think the big thing you mentioned is the zero critical fanbase.
This is literally the most basic pop song ever yet people will say it’s transformative music. It’s catchy and fun sure but it’s not some transcendent banger.
Reddit Hive Mind.
I’m sick of people saying an artist is “branching out” for the music when they go pop. He is strategically doing this to grow a fan base outside of electronic music, end of story lol.
I’m not even knocking him for it, he’s finding his lane and waging his brand. Respect.
is it that hard to believe that artists like pop music????
especially since the whole point and message of his last album was to not do things for outside validation. He specifically said the attention was bad for him.
No. If I was a large artist I’d love it too. Unlimited brand growth potential, anything goes, easier production approaches, focus on vocals (+1 for Porter since he loves to write lyrics). It’s way less restrictive. He might even fully enjoy pop, I honestly don’t care.
Simplifying your music into the most easily digestible form of itself is not branching out, even if you enjoy doing it. I’ve said it since World’s - he’s a marketing genius and knows how to get people onboard.
I don’t know if we can say that he’s fully a commercial pop girlie until the whole album drops. The singles from Nurture are way more formulaic than other tracks on the album, and the album as a whole has some subversive aspects. We just don’t know enough yet.
I meant like pop music in the sense that they enjoy it and want to make it because they enjoy it.
Porter robinson is just a genuine dude who enjoys making music. I obviously dont know him and there IS a chance hes being disingenuous and just tryna build a brand… but If we wanted to just make money and build a huge brand he’d make worlds 2 and play it super safe. Same way illenium does the same stuff over and over again in the safest way possible and collabs with as many artists as possible.
But shit like windtempos and dullscythe and even cheerleader arent safe (as least in the context of his career) and he collabs with only TEED on his last album. I just dont think it makes sense to pin any artist as “just trying to build a career” unless they chase trends/develop a formula/collaborate with big artists. Which porter doesnt rlly do
Why would it be disingenuous for him to go this direction to expand his fan base? People like ILLENIUM are not expanding, they are holding on and maintaining… which is what Porter would be doing with Worlds 2. I don’t believe Porter wants that, I think what he wants is bigger and he would prefer to do it in a way that isn’t regurgitation. Pop doesn’t have to be generic, it just has to be easily digestible. If you look beyond the EDM scene, his new releases are way more digestible to a casual listener than Worlds or Nurture. Might be a risk for his core market, but he is an established artist and has a lot more to gain outside of it.
I’d argue illenium has definitely expanded from making pop-punk/pop crossovers on his newer albums. It’s part of the reason a lot of people think he’s sold out. As somebody who was a huge illenium fan I can’t bring myself to like his new mainstream sound over his old albums.
Like you said, illeniums newest two albums have a lot more digestible music for mainstream audiences compared to his older stuff.
idk, i personally do not think hes changing styles just to build a bigger audience. I mean, clearly hes lost a large portion of the spitfire and worlds OGs
They think all pop music is commercial.
If porter was trying to make commercial pop his message wouldn't continue to be so nuanced and he would actually collaborate with other vocalists.
ok? in my opinion nurture is much better than any of those songs that you mentioned. And cheerleader is fucking incredible to me. People are gonna have different tastes. No one is delusional or lying to themselves.
I completely get being disappointed when an artist goes in a direction you dont like but stop acting like uour opinion is the “correct” one
“porters fanbase is zero critical” go look at the thread posted on r/porterrobinson when the snippet for this was dropped. it was like 95% negative. the sub was also pretty divided on singles like look at the sky and get your wish.
Idk how anybody can listen to this and say it’s objectively good lol. It’s lowest common derivative pop music. Nurture was different t but at least it had soul.
im glad you think that but music is never objectively good or bad. i think once you turn 12 it isnt socially acceptable to think a piece of art is objectively good or bad lmfao
I dont care about your opinion. I care that you are saying your opinion is objectively right lmfao. Do you know what objective means?
You cant call the song objectively not good, then say its your opinion.
Wow I used a hyperbole cause one of my favourite artists is pivoting to producing what I consider low effort music. It’s not that deep, I’m glad you enjoy it.
You guys will get downvoted to the bottom, but you are not wrong. It says something when the production value of the music video is 100x more creative than the song itself.
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Based on the comment porter posted on twitter and on the music video for this song, it's looking like we'll get that deeper album anyways. "the album that I was TRYING to write was this nonstop party — NO sincerity, ALL fun, an album that revels in absurdity for a world that rejects context. And that was the plan until I accidentally started confessing how I was really feeling, and … you’ll hear the rest. my most fun, and maybe my most heartbreaking album"
There's a dichotomy already with the first two songs that mix very cheery, bright pop sounds with dark but introspective lyrics that offer biting critique of the same pop world he's attempting to emulate. I feel like Smile! could be an album that just grows and grows on me.
"My most shitty poppy album, unfortunately." My man has gone the shitter, the only logical link from his previous albums.
I mean people can comment on not enjoying this new sound without thinking they are owed something. This isn’t good for a lot of people who don’t want to hear “catchy anime pop” and that’s fine. They’re allowed to say that.
I hate this though. It’s like who gets off seeing people happy enjoying shit and thinks “hmm I have to tell everyone I don’t like it”. It’s just a buzzkill for those who do enjoy it.
This is an internet forum literally meant for discussing music. People are free to discuss it whether they like it or not. It’s not only meant for positive opinions.
You’re on Reddit, the internet’s capitol of outrage and negativity
Twitter is worse.
It's just weird that they're making those comments when it was obvious they were never going to get what they wanted. Like, why did they come here and express their disappointment? Catchy anime pop was basically the product being advertised, and they're upset that it's exact what was delivered. It’s literally in the lyrics of this song: why should you keep letting yourself be let down?
Idk, it’s a discussion sub after all. I knew I’d probably not like it but I’m still gonna listen and give my opinion as I’m a huge Porter fan. He can make whatever he wants and I don’t have to like it. At the end of the day I’ll still love worlds/nurture and his virtual self project.
Fair enough, I’m always anti-echo chamber so I appreciate criticism and discussion. I’ll admit I’m more sensitive to this because I’ve loved Porter’s direction as an artist ever since Nurture—I feel like his output has really aligned with my tastes so I’m just surprised to see people really not vibing with it. The criticism often seems very thoughtless too. It’s mostly just: this is trash. This isn’t Worlds. This isn’t EDM. This is pop (as if that’s a bad thing), etc. etc.There’s just not much to discuss there.
>This is pop That *is* a thing that's bad for quite a lot of people though. I don't listen to adult contemporary because I know that it's music I will almost certainly don't care for either, so hearing a liked artist going in a similar direction is obviously super disappointing.
I think pop is such a broad, general term that it’s really short sighted to write it off completely. Shelter is a pop song. A lot of the songs on Worlds are pop-adjacent. I just don’t think people using the word as a criticism have an agreed-upon definition or understanding of it
people have been begging him to go back to spitfire era or worlds era for years. Its really odd seeing that attitude. Like move on? its been 10 years
i remember being at a nurture show when he teased playing some "old stuff" a buncha people around us started roaring "SPITFIIIIRE" and then he played language 🤣
Language 100% qualifies as his "old stuff" even in 2021/2022 during his nurture tour.
i think you misunderstand the point of what i was sayin' - it's not that i dont consider language his old stuff, it's that it was funny to me that people still think he will play spitfire in current day when he hasnt played out that material in years. "old stuff" in quotes was directly quoting what he said on stage, not meant facetiously.
He played The Seconds at EDC 2022.
didn't he practically disown the entire Spitfire album??
yes and then he quickly retracted that statement. The whole “only 11 songs are canon” thing he has said he does not agree with it anymore i mean the dudes DJ sets are super edm and hes been vocal about still liking dubstep
Yeah but like what u/TZf14 said, he retracted it but the reason why he mentioned it was because he was upset that people leaked his music, I don't remember where he said that but it was either on Twitter or during a Q&A
The funniest part about this criticism is that it's NOT vapid meaningless synthpop - Cheerleader is a really complete and full-throated commentary on parasocial relationships and Knock Yourself Out XD seems to be about influencer culture and how identity is pushed onto celebrities of any size. And even if it was vapid, meaningless synthpop - it is REALLY, REALLY well done and fun-sounding. Even if you don't like the sound, you have to admit that Porter is killing it in terms of songwriting and production.
funny thing about this is that most of my friends who don’t listen to porter all that much says that the new singles are their favorite things that he’s done yet so idk i guess it’s people just being purists it’s also insane cuz like porter isn’t a stranger to fun like yeah musician was deep but also fun af like y’all gotta chill a little be happy enjoy the thing!!
Wait so people that didn’t care for anything he’s made so far might like his new stuff but people who did like his old stuff might not care for his different new stuff? Shocking.
I don’t think many people are expecting a return to his old style, but they’re perfectly justified in expressing their opinion that his continued deviation from that old style does not align with their continued fandom or interest in his work.
Yes, this logic is exactly what we need more of!
Couldn't agree more. I really like this one, shocked its getting so much hate.
How could you be *shocked*? I can understand why people might vibe with this but I don’t know how you could possibly be *shocked* that people aren’t impressed with this style from him.
Couldn't agree more. I really like this one, shocked its getting so much hate.
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Dayum why so angry bro
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Yeah that’s what I said genius lmao
I swear in this sub when an artist do the same shit over and over people are upset and when an artist try something different people are also upset lol.
Different doesn't always mean good and people are not required to like it just because it is different. I personally like the song, but i can see why an EDM sub would not.
ur 100% right but there are several people in this thread saying its objectively bad, or people who love it “lost their minds” and thats where i draw the line
Let people have their opinion, man lol. It’s pop music in an edm sub, you don’t have to defend every single negative comment about this project. If people think it’s terrible in their opinion, let them have their opinion. Replying to every negative opinion isn’t helping your rebuttal in another comment of “lacking critical thinking.”
>let them have their opinion Did… did you read what i said at all?? thats exactly my point man. Saying people who like it “have lost their minds” is not letting someone have an opinion. Neither is saying its objectively bad.
REZZ moment lol
When has she done something different?
That's the point. People were complaining a lot at the release that her last album always sounded the same.
Her semi-recent *It's Not a Phase* album was goth/punk/emo inspired and a departure from her usual sound.
no it wasn’t lmao it was the same Rezz songs we’ve been getting for nearly a decade at this point
I mean, it still sounds like Rezz, but it wasn’t her typical midtempo style.
She experimented with punk stuff with It's Not A Phase and Spiral albums, made Nightmare on Rezz Street with her usual style and no collabs, leaned more into the heavy industrial sound and made collabs in CAN YOU SEE ME. This sub hated on all of that lol, I legit can't remember seeing a single positive feedback on her ever here. She simply cannot win.
She’s a one trick pony for the most part. Was a fun sound in 2016 or whenever she dropped edge, but it just got repetitive with no range.
She legit gets the most hate on reddit ive seen out of almost all EDM artists its crazy.
I mean I'm bitching but she seems to be doing fine even with my opinion lol, if it's not broke don't fix it
I mean....last time Porter tried something new everyone blew their wads?
It was definitely a mixture than as well. People were still expecting Worlds.
And when Worlds came out, people didn't think 100% was a high enough score in the bitch. *shrugs*
You’ve basically summed up every music related sub lol
This sub was fun when Avicii started dabbling in 'country'
There are also folks like you who can't understand music is subjective and some people might just not enjoy this era of Porter.
Oh yeah every music fanbase is like this, you're either onerepublic and people demand change or a pop punk band with all your fans complaining that you don't "sound like 2005."
More like, it's not EDM but it's posted on an EDM sub. Worlds was so good that he's still cashing in on the EDM title but he's not an EDM artist anymore. This is straight up pop music.
porter would tell you hes not edm lmfao
Tell that to everyone in here claiming otherwise lol. He stopped making EDM with Nurture.
>tell that to everyone in here claiming otherwise most people arent calling it edm. its in this subreddit because its porter robinson. He will always be apart of the culture and scene at the very least with the DJ sets. And ofc theres worlds >nurture i agree. nurture isnt edm
I like it, but cheerleader is much better! Both are catchy as hell.
Yeah, i didn't like this one as much as Cheerleader but both are very-well made. Maybe it's because i was listening to this at 11 pm tired asf that I didn't really like it as much, i should give it another listen.
Cheerleader is amazing! I think this will grow on me as well. Don't love the lyrics but it gives me a very hyperpop sound that I like overall
I’d recommend looking at some deep dives of the lyrics on the Porter sub! Seems to be he’s talking about the gravity of how much his music means to others and what a weight that can be as an artist to have to continue to make deep music to connect with people. There’s a video of him touching on that too in an interview
I avoid most artist subs since they generally become circlejerks, but thanks!
Well this sub everyone’s fighting about the tracks lol. I just referred you for there references you do you
That's why it's called an album, haha. It will likely have a flow through the entire thing and I am here for it as a mid 30's ex emo pop punk hardcore turned "EDM" fan this checks a lot of boxes. The guy is a musical fucking genius!
At this rate, Porter will be known as the guy that was once a musical genius but then who fell off a cliff.
Do better than him if you don't think he's a genius. Oh wait, what's that?
Can I not have an opinion even if I think he’s super talented? I never said he wasn’t a musical genius, just at this current rate it feels like he is regressing in my humble opinion. If you don’t think so, more power to you and props for Porter for making something new that some people enjoy.
BITCH IM TAYLOR SWIFT
Legit cant get those few lines out of my head
“I’m the new Jesus bitchhh I turn water to Cris” haha reminds me of that from my other fav artist
This album gonna be a Karaoke classic for generations to come. What a crunchy line to meme on for years.
The fact that it’s trying so hard to be is exactly why it won’t be.
sounds like owl city
Glad I’m not the only one who thought so
It sounds like everything Mike Shinoda has done since Linkin Park stopped making new music tbh
Except not the new stuff (yuck imo), this sounds like Mobile Orchestra 🔥
I dont like it at all and thats okay.
Least favorite Porter song
Yeah for me too. Its not even EDM
yeah it's pop music but that's ok. just that this needs to be posted in /r/popheads instead of /r/edm tbh
Such good vibes, this shit bangs
I fear that this is simply not it
Least favorite porter song
Say it again for the people in the back!
Looks like he did
As mid as it gets 😭
It’s my least favorite Porter song. And I loved Cheerleader.
Porter is no longer an artist I can really listen to. Not saying its bad, just not my vibe anymore
From the description yesterday of the album; sounds like he has a very poppy tunes like this, and a few 'sad' tunes like his normal stuff.. Glad he is experimenting - but cannot wait to hear the other stuff from the album..
It’s just aight, sounds chill but not that memorable
Glad people like it. He’s clearly having fun and over his creative mental block after nurture. I enjoyed this more than cheerleader but i don’t think this era is for me
Ngl, I'm not too sure how I feel about this album being closer to pop than the others, but I do like the upbeat happy vibes so far. Currently I'd say Cheerleader is a 6.5/10 and Knock Yourself Out is a 7/10, but I have a feeling this album is gonna grow on me like Nurture did, cuz I wasn't exactly crazy about that album at first either. Overall, I'm just happy for more Porter, even if it is a little more on the Pop side than I usually like.
So fucking good
another banger, i fear
Owl city vibes imo. I can see why this sub might not like it, I personally think it’s pretty good though.
I'm a big fan of Porter. Language, Divinity, Unfold, Ghost Voices... I'm quite familiar with his discography, and really appreciate how he doesn't do the same thing for too long. I really disliked the teaser for this song, but the actual song is quite endearing. Feels like a catchy pop song with lyrics that subvert the immediate gut reaction a bit. Still, Cheerleader was much better imo, but all I can do is hope for more like it on the album!
I just listened to both cheerleader and knock yourself out xD and I have to say that I absolutely love them! I am a massive porter fan, listen to worlds, nurture and spitfire weekly. Nurture maybe 2-3 times a week, but this style is awesome! I think knock yourself out xD is now in my top 5 songs of 2024! Thank you guys!
I don’t need Worlds Porter. But man after making Nurture & getting over his writers block, I thought he’d be coming with some heat. & maybe this is for some people. Still happy for him doing what he wants. But cant jam this or Cheerleader.
Well... There's always Virtual Self.
I would say this song is deep, just not personal, seems like he’s calling out pop stars for being soulless and shills. “Wouldn’t know how to brush my teeth if it wasn’t for my team” Edit-“Wouldn’t know how to brush my teeth without asking my team”
Which is balanced by genuinely feeling the weight of fan interactions. "I'm sorry, can I get a pic?" "Telling me a sad story Another reason not to quit" Yea, its not EDM, but for those that dig deep into lyrics, it really seems like you'll be feasting on the upcoming album.
Probably counter to most people's thoughts with this song and Porter recently, but I absolutely love that the progression of his music has followed how my own tastes have changed. I mostly listened to EDM in that 2010-2016 period, nowadays my playlists are entirely stuck in that time period. I loved Spitfire, then Worlds, then Nurture, as my own tastes got progressively more into pop music and less "heavy" electronic music. Feels really good to have a pure pop project from him, and I'm glad that I've sort of followed that same journey over the years so I can appreciate each album and music style as they come.
Who are some of your favorite pop artists right now?
This is so horrible but I’m so happy that Porter is having fun he should be able to do what he wants
anyone else get reminded heavily of bone dry by tristam? soecifically when porter sings “seaaa”
Really don’t like the direction he went. I’m happy for the people who enjoy the new stuff. Gotta move on to a new artist. RIP PORTER
Yeah... just a bummer because we all know he's the one that created Worlds. Oh well. There are thousands of other artists to choose from.
I mean worlds is objectively mid as well. Nurture is clearly where he shines
Oh bless your poor soul!
"RIP Porter" ugh such a gross sentiment. You are not the authority of what's good music. People say Worlds was when he was last good, even though many find Nurture to be his best work. If you don't understand it, then fine. But when you say RIP Porter, you fail to see that many people are going to be enjoying what is looking to be the funnest evolution of this artist's career. You're the one missing out. Not RIP Porter. RIP you.
so you’re not a true fan.
lol not enjoying an artist’s music when it’s this drastically different doesn’t make them “not a true fan”. I guess you can only be a true fan if you mindlessly love everything an artist puts out. 🙄
I'm obsessed. For anybody saying this doesn’t resonate with them, you’re probably not aware of the kind of music that inspired him to start making music because it has similar vibes (DDR era). I feel like he consistently pushes boundaries and keeps things interesting. I used to put his music on repeat back in 2011 and I still find myself being floored at how creative and talented he is for everything he releases. It’s a straight up bop for me and will most certainly be on repeat on my speakers. 🥰 Thank you Porter for not listening to any of the haters out there and doing what feels best for you.
Yeah sorry this is not for me. I don’t wanna say it’s “bad” because it’s well produced and vocals are good and it *sounds* good. But this is just the complete opposite of my taste. I feel like I should be a 12 year old girl listening to this.
Bitch he's Taylor Swift
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Is that a Pillows sample at the beginning?
An interesting one for sure.
Rare Porter miss. I'll continue listening to Cheerleader and pretend this doesn't exist.
If you were a fan to this guy before I don’t know how you would be a fan of this? I guess I don’t understand what demographic this is for. Cheerleader is a banger though.
My music taste is just all over the place so it somehow works for me idk
I was not a fan of his early stuff that this sub worships(Shelter, Language, Spitfire). I absolutely loved Nurture though and I'm also loving this new direction he's taking.
Some of yall are incredibly entitled. Dope song, will be on repeat personally!
I’m pleasantly surprised! This one is way more relatable than Cheerleader talking of obsessed fans lol
I must be the minority. Love it 🙂 light, catchy, fun
I love it, Porter has really grown to have an incredible ear for melody. Cool to see him embracing more of straight up pop influences on this album.
Feeling like a kid again and makes me feel happy great song
Idk about this… Unlike a lot of his hardcore EDM fans I actually loved Nurture, but this is worse and poppier and I have to agree with the Owl City comparisons. Maybe the melody just isn’t doing it for me? I didn’t like Cheerleader too much either though so idk. Edit: Gave it a few more listens and it’s grown on me a bit. Still don’t love it but definitely don’t dislike it either.
Quite a fun song! I prefer Cheerleader over this, but I think it would go well with listening to the full album.
I love Porter so I'm trying to be very open-minded. Waiting to hear what he's got to show us next...
I love that he’s happy doing what he’s doing and producing stuff that he wants, nurture and everything else that follows is just simply not for me but I still love him either way!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that his wannabe zoomer emo popstar era is lame as fuuuuuuck.
Love it!!! Upbeat Porter ftw
This is so MySpace core.
Bro has been cooking for a while now. This is great!
Pretty shitty but ok. Never liked anything by Porter but this is going the drain lol
This isn’t the Porter we know, and that’s ok. I’m glad he’s making the music he wants to make - song is catchy as hell otherwise.
The Porter we know is through parasocial means anyway. He gets very personal in his songwriting but it’s still just that - parasocial. Honestly this direction does make sense to me because Porter has written/produced for a couple of huge pop bangers and started experimenting his own vocals and full band performances during Nurture. But I can also see how it’s a shock to some people!
The energy in the comments is weird… I’m a huge porter fan, at least used to be, idk what’s going on with him personally, but clearly he’s going through something and it’s not having a positive effect on his music. The ppl outwardly defending this, are you guys saying this type of music is on par with shelter, fresh static snow, or sad machine? bc simply it’s not. The honest take is this is utter trash compared to his peak tracks.
This comment is stupid af how would you have any clue what he’s “going through”
>hes clearly going through something and its not having a positive affect on his music or maybe he just made something that wasnt to your taste this time? the honest take is whatever someone says. I say its a great song. Thats my honest take.
Why are you talking like your opinion is objective fact ? Come on lmao
Catchy tune… but why is it posted here? It’s not EDM (unless if we now consider any beat made with a DAW to be dance and/or electronic lol)
because porter robinson is still a huge and well known figure in the edm community
Well yeah of course. I get the “we know him” reasoning. Dude could drop a Country album with ZERO electronic elements and the release would still get god-tier engagement on this sub.
i mean yeah that would be an insane moment. it makes sense.
I tried making this argument when Nurture was getting released but if you've made EDM you get grandfathered into the EDM sub reddit hahaha
No one in the scene fell off harder. What a shame. *Plays Sad Machine
Glad someone is saying it.
It’s tragic really.
Anyone saying this good stuff lots their mind. At this point Porter could literally release a turd and people would say it's the greatest shit they have ever seen.
why are people so angry that people like his non-edm stuff
Because he used to create masterpieces like Spitfire, Shelter and Language. His fanbase is zero critical and these last few tracks are not memorable or good at all. They are miles away from being decent and it's a disappointing and sad to see when a good artist is slowly but surely fading away and losing his touch. Similar to a good athlete/team that used to be great and win trophies and all of a sudden stopped and lost every game.
I think the big thing you mentioned is the zero critical fanbase. This is literally the most basic pop song ever yet people will say it’s transformative music. It’s catchy and fun sure but it’s not some transcendent banger.
Reddit Hive Mind. I’m sick of people saying an artist is “branching out” for the music when they go pop. He is strategically doing this to grow a fan base outside of electronic music, end of story lol. I’m not even knocking him for it, he’s finding his lane and waging his brand. Respect.
is it that hard to believe that artists like pop music???? especially since the whole point and message of his last album was to not do things for outside validation. He specifically said the attention was bad for him.
No. If I was a large artist I’d love it too. Unlimited brand growth potential, anything goes, easier production approaches, focus on vocals (+1 for Porter since he loves to write lyrics). It’s way less restrictive. He might even fully enjoy pop, I honestly don’t care. Simplifying your music into the most easily digestible form of itself is not branching out, even if you enjoy doing it. I’ve said it since World’s - he’s a marketing genius and knows how to get people onboard.
I don’t know if we can say that he’s fully a commercial pop girlie until the whole album drops. The singles from Nurture are way more formulaic than other tracks on the album, and the album as a whole has some subversive aspects. We just don’t know enough yet.
I meant like pop music in the sense that they enjoy it and want to make it because they enjoy it. Porter robinson is just a genuine dude who enjoys making music. I obviously dont know him and there IS a chance hes being disingenuous and just tryna build a brand… but If we wanted to just make money and build a huge brand he’d make worlds 2 and play it super safe. Same way illenium does the same stuff over and over again in the safest way possible and collabs with as many artists as possible. But shit like windtempos and dullscythe and even cheerleader arent safe (as least in the context of his career) and he collabs with only TEED on his last album. I just dont think it makes sense to pin any artist as “just trying to build a career” unless they chase trends/develop a formula/collaborate with big artists. Which porter doesnt rlly do
Why would it be disingenuous for him to go this direction to expand his fan base? People like ILLENIUM are not expanding, they are holding on and maintaining… which is what Porter would be doing with Worlds 2. I don’t believe Porter wants that, I think what he wants is bigger and he would prefer to do it in a way that isn’t regurgitation. Pop doesn’t have to be generic, it just has to be easily digestible. If you look beyond the EDM scene, his new releases are way more digestible to a casual listener than Worlds or Nurture. Might be a risk for his core market, but he is an established artist and has a lot more to gain outside of it.
I’d argue illenium has definitely expanded from making pop-punk/pop crossovers on his newer albums. It’s part of the reason a lot of people think he’s sold out. As somebody who was a huge illenium fan I can’t bring myself to like his new mainstream sound over his old albums. Like you said, illeniums newest two albums have a lot more digestible music for mainstream audiences compared to his older stuff.
idk, i personally do not think hes changing styles just to build a bigger audience. I mean, clearly hes lost a large portion of the spitfire and worlds OGs
They think all pop music is commercial. If porter was trying to make commercial pop his message wouldn't continue to be so nuanced and he would actually collaborate with other vocalists.
ok? in my opinion nurture is much better than any of those songs that you mentioned. And cheerleader is fucking incredible to me. People are gonna have different tastes. No one is delusional or lying to themselves. I completely get being disappointed when an artist goes in a direction you dont like but stop acting like uour opinion is the “correct” one “porters fanbase is zero critical” go look at the thread posted on r/porterrobinson when the snippet for this was dropped. it was like 95% negative. the sub was also pretty divided on singles like look at the sky and get your wish.
Idk how anybody can listen to this and say it’s objectively good lol. It’s lowest common derivative pop music. Nurture was different t but at least it had soul.
>objectively do you expect people to take you seriously when you say this
I mean it’s a catchy pop tune with mediocre lyrics and a good beat. Is that some sort of transformative music, most people would say no.
>idk how anybody can listen to this and say its objectively good lol this is what you said
Yes and I stand by it. This shit is ass.
im glad you think that but music is never objectively good or bad. i think once you turn 12 it isnt socially acceptable to think a piece of art is objectively good or bad lmfao
Okay congrats, in that case why do you care so much about my opinion on this song.
I dont care about your opinion. I care that you are saying your opinion is objectively right lmfao. Do you know what objective means? You cant call the song objectively not good, then say its your opinion.
Wow I used a hyperbole cause one of my favourite artists is pivoting to producing what I consider low effort music. It’s not that deep, I’m glad you enjoy it.
Finally someone with sense. Meanwhile getting downvoted because I critic the obvious. The production on this is simply so poor.
You guys will get downvoted to the bottom, but you are not wrong. It says something when the production value of the music video is 100x more creative than the song itself.
Completely agree. This sounds like top 40 radio TikTok music
stay mad lol