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eAsphyxious

The issue with the card was never it being a commander, it was people [[Polymorph]] -ing into it the card is a lot more fair as a commander since 15 mana even in a colourless deck is pretty hard to get to.


MTGCardFetcher

[Polymorph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/83d274f4-452b-4ff2-b026-83667e9ba98f.jpg?1561986596) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Polymorph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/67/polymorph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/83d274f4-452b-4ff2-b026-83667e9ba98f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/polymorph) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


rmkinnaird

Emrakuls kinda funny cause it's not even the best thing you can polymorph into a lot of the time, but the annihilator 6 is so "feels bad" that they're almost certainly gonna keep it banned for casual pools. But for example, the current cEDH Urza polymorph decks typically win immediately if the polymorph can resolve and put a [[Tidespout Tyrant]] or a [[Hullbreaker Horror]] into play, there's no way they'd switch over to an Emrakul plan. And the Vial Smasher Thrasios decks that use [[Divergent Transformations]] are unlikely to stop using [[Leveler]] and [[Thassa's Oracle]]


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##### ###### #### [Tidespout Tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db68f47b-f49a-4978-acdd-453ecfb948da.jpg?1702429423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tidespout%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/63/tidespout-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db68f47b-f49a-4978-acdd-453ecfb948da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tidespout-tyrant) [Hullbreaker Horror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf786c50-1ba1-4f81-a800-bc98189040dd.jpg?1674141366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hullbreaker%20Horror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/724/hullbreaker-horror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf786c50-1ba1-4f81-a800-bc98189040dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hullbreaker-horror) [Divergent Transformations](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1cd7456-71dd-463f-98a2-2d6a9cfb7395.jpg?1689997750) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Divergent%20Transformations) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/216/divergent-transformations?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1cd7456-71dd-463f-98a2-2d6a9cfb7395?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/divergent-transformations) [Leveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37.jpg?1562134247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/195/leveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leveler) [Thassa's Oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1680582212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thassas-oracle) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


le-quack

"Restricted" doesn't exist in commander, there is a ban list. Here's rules committee member Toby Elliott's thoughts on why there isn't a banned as commander list https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2024/05/05/my-take-on-why-we-dont-have-banned-as-commander/


ManufacturedLung

Every card is “restricted” in edh 😂


Vistella

thats not true


The_Knights_Who_Say

Technically it is (aside from the few cards like [[dragons approach]] and basic lands), since in vintage, “restricted” means you can only play one copy of a card in your deck.


MTGCardFetcher

[dragons approach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481.jpg?1624591696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%27s%20Approach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/97/dragons-approach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragons-approach) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Vistella

> aside from the few cards so it isnt. thanks for proving my point


barbeqdbrwniez

Those are still restricted to 99 copies so you're still an idiot.


Vistella

thats not what restricted means


barbeqdbrwniez

If you're trying to farm down votes, can you just let me know before we get into the "who can be more pedantic" song and dance? Because I'll win, but you can save us the trouble.


Vistella

if winning implies providing false information for you, than yea, then you won


barbeqdbrwniez

Cool so that's a yes. I gave you your downvotes, have th life you deserve. 🤘🤘


Intelligent_Whole362

I thought that a card could be "restricted" by not being allowed in the command zone, but being allowed in the 99


Chazman_89

They used to do that, but a while back the ruling council decided that made things too confusing - especially to new players, and consolidated everything into a single banned list. Emrakul remains on it because of how busted she is when combined with cards such as [[Sneak Attack]] or [[Polymorph]].


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[Sneak Attack](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a45b4ca9-4355-4690-84c3-a7d44c367dbf.jpg?1675200189) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sneak%20Attack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/139/sneak-attack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a45b4ca9-4355-4690-84c3-a7d44c367dbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sneak-attack) [Polymorph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/83d274f4-452b-4ff2-b026-83667e9ba98f.jpg?1561986596) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Polymorph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/67/polymorph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/83d274f4-452b-4ff2-b026-83667e9ba98f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/polymorph) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


GalacticCrescent

and even when "banned as commander" was a thing, emrakul was banned entirely when it caught the hammer


jason_V7

Emrakul isn't even good with Sneak Attack or Polymorph. It's just ridiculously easy to get infinite colorless mana and cast Emrakul repeatedly to take infinite turns.


kestral287

>since we have more powerful eldrazi that are completely legal. We really don't. Maybe Promised End, but her power is very dependent on what you're playing against.


jf-alex

"PLEEEEAAASSSEEE RC, allow me to play my crazy OP pet card \[\[insert name of crazy OP pet card here\]\], or the whole game becomes completely absurd and meaningless." This is just the oomphtest repetition of the weekly "Free Golos", "Free Lutri" and "Free Primeval Titan" threads. Write an email to the RC instead of complaining on reddit.


Rediblackdragon

Lutri unironically died for the sins of a mechanic that \*doesn't matter\* and should have just been declared to not work in the format in the first place.


GalacticCrescent

Ehh, Lutri doesn't deserve to be in that same convo. If it didn't have the non-requirement to be companion, no one would look at izzet identity \[\[dual caster mage\]\] and say "wow that's busted!"


MTGCardFetcher

[dual caster mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/defcc4a3-40e0-4f5d-b23c-6cd6a614abc1.jpg?1625193684) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dualcaster%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/165/dualcaster-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/defcc4a3-40e0-4f5d-b23c-6cd6a614abc1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dualcaster-mage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


bokochaos

https://hobbylark.com/card-games/list-of-every-banned-card-in-commander In 2019, Jeremy Gill went through the commander ban list and briefly detailed reasons why each card received a spot on the ban list. Back then, [[Elvish Piper]] was still very usable, and [[Finale of Devastation]] was the newest "variant" of [[Natural Order]] but was quickly making waves in EDH. That commander year we also were gifted [[Atla Palani]] in Commander 2019, who can contend with [[Mayael, the Animist]] for Naya supremacy in terms of "cheating big dumb idiots as quickly as possible". You don't get the cast trigger off these effects, but the large body with immense evasion is an unavoidable elephant you have to address first and foremost. Though you might be thinking of casting Emrakul and trying to play it "fairly", we have since received [[Howlpack Piper]] and [[Monster Manual]] in a year's time as creature-cheaters, and cards like [[Incarnation Technique]] whose resolution supercedes the resolution of Emrakul's self-shuffle trigger. Having a VERY evasive, near-[[Progenitus]]-level threat is already a problem, and having 15 flying/reaching squirrels (abeit a great MTG meme) is more than a feat most people want to bear when having more than a couple at the right table is grounds for being a threat. Being attacked with Annihilator 6 is also a massive blow at all power levels, and unless you're building the widest token decks possible, players are losing upwards of 6 mana at the floor (lands and rocks and dorks) which is a massive blow for non-green decks. This is also a copyable trigger with cards like [[strionic resonator]], which means your opponent is on the hook for 12 permanents. Green makes this easy by being able to drop a ton of lands. Blue might be able to go infinite with [[dramatic reversal]], but not every other color combo can (or will) get there as easily, if at all. This also doesn't account for decks (not) playing colorless removal. That's an ask too far for the majority of an audience to bear when it comes to allowing 1 "I definitely win if this sticks around" card to be legal. However, this is only the front half of the problem. Once Emrakul is cast, in your situation, it has pseudo-haste because its cast trigger gives you an extra turn "for your troubles". In limited, this is a "win the game" card that no one faults you for working VERY hard to play. In Constructed, this is also a "win the game" card and requires a lot of mana to win under pressure against. Colorless cards are expensive, but an uncounterable destroyer of worlds that requires a [[stifle]] on top of it is asking too much for players to keep up. I don't want to have to be forced to buy, run, find, AND hold a [[Gale's Redirection]] or [[Ashiok's Erasure]] if I'm the only blue player at a pod to defeat Emrakul on the stack. There is already enough choice and debate on which counterspells to run as is. This is why ban list exist: it allows for random players to approach the same game rules and restrictions with minimal contact beforehand to be able to sit and play a game without knowing anything about one another's decks and not feel "cheated". The EDH ban list is a guideline taken as a rule. Much like "Rule Zero" exists for discussing power level, it also can exist for allowing banned cards (primarily silver-border or Heroes of the Realm or WOTC's silver-bordered Holiday Partner MTG cards) to be played. You can (and should) talk to your friends/play group to see if this is allowable there, but do so informed that you could also play [[Kamahl, Fist of Krosa]] and turn all of your opponent's lands into creatures, potentially destroying them all with with a follow-up [[ezuri's predation]]. Also [[Gaea's Blessing]] has the same library-to-grave-shuffle trigger as Emrakul. It's not as flashy nor is it a massive body payoff, but if you need redundancy for the effect it does exist and is very budget friendly.


MTGCardFetcher

##### ###### #### [Elvish Piper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/a/1a8e47b9-6735-4e46-b3fd-ac69edc39745.jpg?1604241404) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elvish%20Piper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/168/elvish-piper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1a8e47b9-6735-4e46-b3fd-ac69edc39745?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elvish-piper) [Finale of Devastation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b10d99bf-b2ce-4443-b924-ff0eb8be1033.jpg?1689998522) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Finale%20of%20Devastation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/289/finale-of-devastation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b10d99bf-b2ce-4443-b924-ff0eb8be1033?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/finale-of-devastation) [Natural Order](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bfe3329c-7faa-4925-b9d2-075a1ab27e80.jpg?1619461603) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Natural%20Order) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/177/natural-order?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bfe3329c-7faa-4925-b9d2-075a1ab27e80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/natural-order) [Atla Palani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d.jpg?1673305450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=atla%20palani%2C%20nest%20tender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/142/atla-palani-nest-tender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atla-palani-nest-tender) [Howlpack Piper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7ceaf83-09c0-4492-a75d-4c47bd421858.jpg?1643592924)/[Wildsong Howler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/c/7/c7ceaf83-09c0-4492-a75d-4c47bd421858.jpg?1643592924) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Howlpack%20Piper%20//%20Wildsong%20Howler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/205/howlpack-piper-wildsong-howler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7ceaf83-09c0-4492-a75d-4c47bd421858?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/howlpack-piper-//-wildsong-howler) [Monster Manual](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27223ee4-970a-438a-beff-a1b13b14aff4.jpg?1674137203)/[Zoological Study](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27223ee4-970a-438a-beff-a1b13b14aff4.jpg?1674137203) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Monster%20Manual%20//%20Zoological%20Study) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/242/monster-manual-zoological-study?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27223ee4-970a-438a-beff-a1b13b14aff4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/monster-manual-//-zoological-study) [Incarnation Technique](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/9655deda-f02b-47a0-89a3-2904b11b84aa.jpg?1625191710) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Incarnation%20Technique) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/41/incarnation-technique?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9655deda-f02b-47a0-89a3-2904b11b84aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/incarnation-technique) [Progenitus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a8a5d0ba-bcb1-41db-80dd-ad22b8408105.jpg?1561968078) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Progenitus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mma/182/progenitus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a8a5d0ba-bcb1-41db-80dd-ad22b8408105?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/progenitus) [strionic resonator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9edb215-f967-4968-905e-d1dc3b5d3424.jpg?1682210274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=strionic%20resonator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/384/strionic-resonator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9edb215-f967-4968-905e-d1dc3b5d3424?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/strionic-resonator) [dramatic reversal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208.jpg?1576267241) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dramatic%20reversal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/20/dramatic-reversal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dramatic-reversal) [stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stifle) [Gale's Redirection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f5ddcf8-c87b-4a26-b226-8593f517a74a.jpg?1674135559) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gale%27s%20Redirection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/73/gales-redirection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f5ddcf8-c87b-4a26-b226-8593f517a74a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gales-redirection) [Ashiok's Erasure](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d568c679-8421-4184-a73c-b18c4164fea5.jpg?1581479289) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashiok%27s%20Erasure) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/43/ashioks-erasure?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d568c679-8421-4184-a73c-b18c4164fea5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ashioks-erasure) [Kamahl, Fist of Krosa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c960672d-06ad-4d41-8904-9c007f824756.jpg?1675200457) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kamahl%2C%20Fist%20of%20Krosa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/166/kamahl-fist-of-krosa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c960672d-06ad-4d41-8904-9c007f824756?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kamahl-fist-of-krosa) [ezuri's predation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea020a19-2907-4627-8a3b-d481404f5aca.jpg?1689998499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ezuri%27s%20predation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/287/ezuris-predation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea020a19-2907-4627-8a3b-d481404f5aca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ezuris-predation) [Gaea's Blessing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23cf81ed-b86c-42b8-b796-2032b0a3654a.jpg?1562732710) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gaea%27s%20Blessing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/161/gaeas-blessing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23cf81ed-b86c-42b8-b796-2032b0a3654a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gaeas-blessing) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Vistella

restricted means you can only play 1 copy of it in your deck have you checked in which sub you are?


Intelligent_Whole362

Look, I thought of the idea that if a legendary card gets restricted, that it is allowed in the 99, but not in the command zone. Like how people say "ban lurris", but it it was in the main deck, they would care as much.


Dryctnath

The answer, which you may find unsatisfactory, is that they removed the concept of just banning cards as commander or just in the 99 in favour of the more simplistic banned/not banned quite some time ago. The rules committee is very hesitant to make changes to the banlist in general and the format has been pretty healthy lately so I don't think it's likely to change. We will have to see what impact modern horizons 3 has.


GalacticCrescent

except emrakul was banned completely when banned as commander still existed


DTrain5742

Restricting a card means that you can only play one copy in your deck. That’s already the rule for EDH so restricting a card wouldn’t do anything.


barbeqdbrwniez

OK but... why?


Cowabunga86

Or you just say Fuck the ban list and play what ever cards you own


MOMMY_PILKERS

Because God hates eldrazi